Ventrac Tough Cut Vs Fine Cut Flail Cut Quality!
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- This is a side by side comparison of the HQ680 Tough Cut deck vs the new MW720 fine cut flail mower from Ventrac. The tough cut definitely moves faster, But the cut quality of the flail is amazing. This really shows the difference. If you would like to check out these attachments andcthe other attachments Ventrac has to offer just click on the link below.
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The tough cut is absolute BEAST! I need to get me one of the flail mowers. Looks like it does an incredible job!
That test material is tailor made for the flail. The rear roller makes all the difference. Its what the tc can do beyond mow tall grass that makes it so versatile imo. I know of one guy that tried to see how much the flail could handle and came up with broken hammers the first week he owned it. Admittedly, he was jamming it in places it probably shouldn't have been... still, it was easy work for a tc. The flail would be perfect for the guys that can't or purposely don't mow their properties every week. Retention pond work, monthly field work would be a perfect fit. Take it where the tc can go and it might get its feelings hurt.
I totally agree. The flail will never replace the tough cut. The fast cut is more suitable for more overgrown material, But will never chop down trees. If you are in very rough terrain the tough cut will be a better choice due to the roller will not get in the way. The roller is what stripes. There are some applications that the flail win tho. A friend of mine has a Deere compact that he uses for jobs here and there. There are 2 people that pay him to mow there horse pasture, But they both told him he could not use his brush cutter because they did not like the finish. So he has to use his finish mower and go over it twice. He is looking for a flail. They pay him pretty good from what he told me. The flail will never replace the tough cut, But it is a great addition to the Ventrac lineup. I will say that Ventrac did there homework on this flail. It is very well designed and built.
Off topic a bit but how does your Y handle the load of the flail? Ever want for more power?
Great comparison! It's neat to see the difference in cut quality. The flail mowers really do an awesome job, it's a wonder they were never more popular for garden tractors. I'd take one of them over a typical rotary mower any day.
I really like flail mowers as well. The only reason I think rotary mowers are more popular is due to the ease of sharpening the blades.
Great video, I agree with you on the comment you made between the 2....the difference is the time or cost to deal with the knives of the flail than just 3 blades on tough cut....
Would love to see the finish mower against the flail in high material like this that you just cut
Thanks....
This is the vid I’ve been waiting for. Thank you 🙏
I've used the tough cut on 3" scotchbroom, that deck is no joke it will mow over almost anything.
If you just want to knock it down, and save fuel/time... use the Tough Cut. If you want smaller clippings, a better finished product, and longer mowing intervals (slower regrowth), use the Fine Cut Flail.
I think they are different tools for different operations... good to know the tough cut can mow a hay field... but I believe the tough cut is for clearing brush and brambles. The flail? WOW it cut up grass and clover knee deep and left a clean cut with stripes? fantastic... If I had to choose one? it would be the tough cut... I think I will have more business clearing brush than cutting lawns that got away and are overgrown..I will try and talk the boss into both though 😂
The flails definitely give a nice cut quality. The Tough Cut is the most versatile tho. You can cut heavy brush then light weeds. When cutting heavy dense growth the flails really mulch up the material and leave a nice clean cut.
@@steiger256 thanks
I think you really want to compare the MW flail with a 72”finish deck. The MW has the wide or duck foot flail and is more for grasses so heavy material like this cuts well but slower than the Tough Cut, but faster with a better finish than the finish deck that would bog down and leave clumps of clippings. If you had the MY flail I think you would see an much different result against the Tough Cut. Plus why didn’t you set the MW at the same height as the Tough Cut? That by itself skews the performance comparison. I just spent several days with the Tough Cut in heavy grass on a mountain side. I know how slow abs how many times it got bogged down and I had to lift the deck or back up. I just got a MY flail yesterday and started out testing cut height and speed in a hay field. I know the MY will outperform the Tough Cut in that same field. Good video overall though. Thanks for posting it.
I did do a test with the MW and finish mower. Will be published soon. I agree after making the video I don't know why I didn't set them both at 3 1/2. I was trying to push the limits on the flail and the diesel, But I should have raised it for the tough cut test. I wanted to do a test pass with flail at 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 inches but I had so many other tests to do and very little time. I was supposed to have 4 days to demo, But it rained 2 of them so I was pretty limited. I do hope to demo the fast cut someday.
It would be interesting to see how well the fine cut flail cuts with dull blades? More than likely they will be dull and not sharp, seeing how many there is to sharpen.
The biggest issue is what you are cutting. I doubt woody brush is a flails best friend. Great video, Thank you
The MY720 fast cut is more suitable for small woody stems. I have not had a chance to try out one of them yet.
I have the tough Cut with the finish mower in mulching mode. The finish flail may be better.
know it take more time and fuel but coula you go over with flail after using tough cut?? Enjoy your enjoy your reviews this is my 1st comment
I did end up going back over it with the flail. You could do that if you had both attachments. I will have anotger video soon on the flail with 8 inch high material. It goes pretty quick over that. I wanted to show the fine cut in really tall thick groth to show what it could do. If I can I am going to try to get my hands on a MY720 fast cut and try same tests.
Flail mower deck is a lot better 👌
The flail looks really nice- can you run it in high gear or is better to leave it low? Thanks for video.
Great honest review, thanks. Question are the decks the same width on the video the flail looks to be a bit wider? And if the 72" flail is pushing the diesel to its limit would the narrower flail be a better match and allow you to cut quicker or attack even tougher areas better?
The flail is 72 inch cut, tough cut is 68 inch. The smaller may work better on the diesel. If I took my time the diesel cut right thru. I am trying to get my hands on a fast cut flail here soon. They are pretty hard to get ahold of. Maybe by the end of September I will have a video of that as well.
The Flail wins in the field, not so much in the woods. I've always wondered why the Tough Cut wasn't a horizontal flail like a true bushhog.
I agree. I would not want to use a flail in the woods. The tough cut does really well in harsh enviorments.
Aside from any difference in cut quality, I noticed that you were going considerably slower with the Flail. How would the quality compare moving at equal speeds?
There is no way to move at equal speed. I was pushing both pretty hard. I think the 4500Z could maybe do a little better. The flail moves right along on shorter stuff. Ill have that video posted soon.
They're saying to drive the tough cut ch the same speed as the flail so it's a fair comparison.
@@chadlehman8933 Ok I get what your saying. I never thought of that. I f I get ahold of a fast cut flail I will try to do more tests like that also. Thanks
Great video. I think in your case the fast cut flail would have been a better option but I'm still impressed with the flail. Of course the tough cut is impressive too compared to a rotary cutter
I use a flail with Y knives for my property and works for both the field and the lawn. Plus it gives this kind of neat looking "combed" effect
I am going to try to get a fast cut here on the next few months to try it out.
Did you have to drive slower with the flail because it bogged down?
Ya the flail takes more power so you can not go as fast.
I have a 72” fine cut flail and a TC mower, very little difference between the 2. Instead of long pieces of grass being left behind from the TC, the flail chops the grass up a little bit shorter..definitely not worth the $7700 price tag (flail and lift).
Im shocked at the finishing capability of that flail in this type of scenario. I am curious how it does on lower grass.
I did a video as well on shorter grass also. Here is the link.
czcams.com/video/I43LCiGSbHw/video.html
Can you use both of them at the same time cut tough cutut on the front flying on the back can you use both of them at the same time as the tractor powerful enough to do that
No. They only can attach to the front.
Cut is close, I would do 72" even 84 if available. I like cutting so I drive slow and enjoy.
I do enjoy cutting the lawn as well. There have been many times tho where it rained and I got soaked or could not finish in the las 30 min of mowing. Them are tge days I really wished I had the 95 inch mower. Lol
How do you sharpen the flails, or do you throw them out and buy new, what does a set cost?
I have seen on other flails people use a grinder. I would say when they get bad enough you just remove the bolt and put on a new one. The cost I am not sure of. I should find that out tho. Good question.
It depends on which flail you have. The MW flails may be worth giving a sharpening or two, but maybe cheap enough to discard. The MY flails are much heavier and can take several sharpenings plus they have two sides to work with to really extend the useful life.
how much
Compare the Flail Vs. the Finish mower w/mulching kit.
I will have a video soon on flail vs funish mower, But I did not have a mulching kit tho. Will be uploaded soon.
I would not bother with the mulching kit it will skew the comparison. Just look at general cut and appearance and speed. At least that’s my thoughts
@@gasify The finish mower will send all the cut grass out the side chute creating a wind-row. The mulching kit will force the grass to be cut and stay in place which is basically what the Flail does.
If you go slower with the TC. What is the quality of the cutting?
I would say pretty close to the same maybe a tad better. I was trying to push both hard to show speed and cut quality.
Can you guess the length of time it took you to mow each section? 50% longer?
The flail took double, maybe a tad more.
@@steiger256 brutal! It looks so nice but not sure it’s worth that extra time. Maybe if I had 5 acres.
@@jasonbarber8107 It goes pretty fast on shorter stuff. I will have a video on that in the next week as well. I just really wanted to show it was capable of the really tall stuff.
…hammer or Y blades on the flail? …. 😮
They are the spoon type blade
sorry did not watch end of video before sent comment you answered my question
No.problem