Best New Gold Mine of 2023!

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • Join us on this adventure that takes us to the top of the highest mountain around, Apex Mountain. On the top of this mountain we recently acquired new ground that includes not 1 but 3 historic Gold Mines. After the pleasant surprise of being able to get into this remote spot, we discover the mines are far more than we expected, with amazing looking ore, and lots of it.
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Komentáře • 449

  • @markdoyle9642
    @markdoyle9642 Před 9 měsíci +20

    Dan, You are a Beautiful Human Being! As a kid, we covered every old gold mine between Baker City, Sumpter and Prairie City Oregon. Now I am a retired Neuroscientist. I wish I could come up and whack rocks with you for a few days. Thank you! for taking me back to my treasured times with My Dad! I miss him dearly. Respect!

  • @ClanBegley
    @ClanBegley Před 10 měsíci +48

    Your dad is such a cool dude, it's so nice that you get to go on these adventures with him 🙂

    • @UmmmmmmmWhat
      @UmmmmmmmWhat Před 10 měsíci +7

      All the members of the Hurd family are fun to see, dad, wife, kids... maybe we'll see some cousins one day.
      Or maybe we just pretend Pauly is the weird uncle. 😂

  • @ARGONUAT
    @ARGONUAT Před 10 měsíci +11

    This whole family video just warms my heart to see. You Hurds personify everything that I like about Canadians! Just decent people living their daily lives working and playing.

  • @kathleenposton2334
    @kathleenposton2334 Před 10 měsíci +32

    In this bitter, cold world, it is so dang good to see people doing something that bring them pure joy!

    • @GOLD_FEVER
      @GOLD_FEVER Před 9 měsíci

      Even nicer to see people doing something that brings them PURE sorrow!

  • @alistairclark6814
    @alistairclark6814 Před 10 měsíci +27

    Dan among many others have inspired me to take up panning as a hobby. There is nothing better than spending the day on the river panning. My grand total to date is 1.03 grams. Hahaha! 😂 The time spent searching is where the true value is at!

    • @davidervolina7459
      @davidervolina7459 Před 10 měsíci +2

      How long has it taken to get 1.03 gs

    • @GOLD_FEVER
      @GOLD_FEVER Před 9 měsíci

      Hell yeah!
      Keep at it!
      It took me 5 years to find my first ounce!
      And then 1 year to find my second!

    • @alistairclark6814
      @alistairclark6814 Před 9 měsíci

      @@davidervolina7459 Since April of this spring. Just panning but not very often. It's not a money making hobby when you first start. Or ever I have a feeling, but if you aren't out looking you won't find those nuggets!

  • @mohsenaghdam3136
    @mohsenaghdam3136 Před 10 měsíci +18

    Best Prospecting Channel on CZcams ,You are Amazing Dan 🤘🏽👍🏽💜

  • @SurfingTheSoundwaves
    @SurfingTheSoundwaves Před 10 měsíci +6

    In this new era of adblocker-less CZcams, it's bloody great to click on a video and not get bombarded every 5 minutes with ads.
    Thank you Dan. You're a class act, and you have a great channel.

    • @curtisw831
      @curtisw831 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I pay the $12 a month so I can listen to my podcasts while driving

    • @2212db
      @2212db Před 10 měsíci

      uBlock Origin is your friend ;)

    • @melin1969
      @melin1969 Před 10 měsíci +1

      adblockers still work ) and youtubes action will bite them in the ass

  • @sarajackson8159
    @sarajackson8159 Před 10 měsíci +8

    What a SPECTACULAR view! This video was a lot of fun, you and your dad are absolutely hilarious together. 😂😂😂 Thank you so much for taking us along. BC is just beautiful!!❤

  • @xyzabc4574
    @xyzabc4574 Před 10 měsíci +6

    I love how enthusiastic your Dad is about hammering rocks. I can hear him in his head now, "Son, you ain't gonna talk that rock open. You have to use a hammer."

  • @bobsch-gd6ze
    @bobsch-gd6ze Před 10 měsíci +3

    Dan, the most impressive shot was the snowman at Yale on the panning reserve ;)
    Nothing wrong with this view here @ Mt. Apex with your cool Dad !

  • @garretpatterson5389
    @garretpatterson5389 Před 10 měsíci +5

    I can see you in your dad. You are both good rock hounds. We like seeing the two of you working together. Good video Dan.

  • @HarbDeaf
    @HarbDeaf Před 10 měsíci +3

    Hey Dan, hanging out with your Dad.... priceless I tell you. Good day!

  • @johnhunt1725
    @johnhunt1725 Před 10 měsíci +63

    Who has the better gold mine - Dan or Jason? I don't know yet, but it sure is going to be fun finding out!

    • @Danhurd
      @Danhurd  Před 10 měsíci +35

      Jason!

    • @MayhemProspecting
      @MayhemProspecting Před 10 měsíci +11

      Both amazing styles of working! No one is better than anyone as it’s a constant learning cycle right?!

    • @Fluckor666
      @Fluckor666 Před 10 měsíci +5

      Jason's is frickin crazy. However Dan has the better quad, pure gold! 😏

    • @breckfreeride
      @breckfreeride Před 10 měsíci +7

      ​@@Danhurdjason has the capacity to crush and run massive quantities. Dan shakes his hinny to find the shiny more though!

    • @PatringtonPirateProductions
      @PatringtonPirateProductions Před 10 měsíci +2

      Brilliant 👏

  • @sueyoung2115
    @sueyoung2115 Před 10 měsíci +3

    Love your channel, Dan! ...yep, you can find gold on the top of a mountain! I found a red rusty pile of clay and gravel that got dumped into the middle of a dirt road to block it. I scooped up a bucket of the stuff and found actual pickers in it, along with the tiny chunks and the usual dust. The guys on the road crew didn't know what they were dumping! It was in a gold bearing part of Maine, USA. It's true, gold's where you find it.

  • @jeffsalcedo8334
    @jeffsalcedo8334 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I look forward to Monday and your videos. Take care.

  • @rustyzx9562
    @rustyzx9562 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Seeing you out and about with your Dad makes me miss my Dad a ton... love this content!

  • @BongoWongoOG
    @BongoWongoOG Před 10 měsíci +2

    Beautiful landscape Dan. Very nice day at the office. Look forward to seeing what those bags reveal when assayed

  • @xdinked7502
    @xdinked7502 Před 10 měsíci +2

    It is so so beautiful there, what stunning views! And I adore your family, your wife, son and dad. You have probably heard this or read this a million times but you are the double of your pops. And man I wish I lived somewhere so beautiful and tranquil ❤

  • @RoyHolder
    @RoyHolder Před 10 měsíci +2

    With the value of gold these old mines might be profitable again, go for it Dan!

  • @nostology
    @nostology Před 10 měsíci +1

    What an awesome panoramic view from the top of Apex.

  • @robertwhitey6621
    @robertwhitey6621 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Dan, just another great video between you and Jason there is so much anticipation waiting to see the results of your mining operations in the future.
    The operations involved from blasting, hammering and drilling to final processing within the 2 mines would make for some amazing reality shows.

  • @youtubeSuckssNow
    @youtubeSuckssNow Před 10 měsíci +3

    Hearing the numbers you mentioned for Nelson addit, its hard to imagine that no one is mining it no matter how hard it is.

  • @marciaslay1149
    @marciaslay1149 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Beautiful area and what a great adventure, thanks for sharing

  • @johnstuart8511
    @johnstuart8511 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Dan: There is nothing wrong in bringing out the toys. Driving up the mountain. Loving the stories.
    Regards South Africa 🇿🇦.

  • @StaticM223
    @StaticM223 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Have a fantastic day everyone!

  • @sarahmcdonough9251
    @sarahmcdonough9251 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Wow Dan that view was INCREDIBLE! Thank you for sharing this with us 😍

  • @davemi00
    @davemi00 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Dan, ‘’I’m High, in the mountains.’’
    Sounds Great !

  • @vlakslee
    @vlakslee Před 10 měsíci +3

    Always enjoy it when you bring your dad.

  • @ANAnomalous1
    @ANAnomalous1 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I've to see how much your Dad supports you and enjoys sharing your interests with you!

  • @SZG65
    @SZG65 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Uuuhh.... Up, Up, and Adit! Dan found some good schist today!

  • @Kwandy2023
    @Kwandy2023 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Beautiful Shot from the mountain top!!!

  • @croatiansensation6062
    @croatiansensation6062 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Father and Son mining duo...what more could you ask for?! Thank you Dan & Dad! 😃

  • @stewartpalmer2456
    @stewartpalmer2456 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I simply love the places you take us. Thank you Dan.

  • @markbottcher9623
    @markbottcher9623 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Ya know Dan , when your packing out those bags, its alot easier if you tie 2 together and put them over your shoulder

  • @nocapyoulackn3594
    @nocapyoulackn3594 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Great video as always love watching you guys explore together.

  • @chrismaverick9828
    @chrismaverick9828 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Love it! Thanks, Dan and dad.

  • @GSG-lc5zm
    @GSG-lc5zm Před 10 měsíci +5

    People that say you can't find gold at the top of a mountain obviously don't remember everything that's on top was on the bottom at some point. The earth is the great recycler lol

  • @mdelles
    @mdelles Před 10 měsíci +12

    I keep waiting for the day Dan finds a mine so flooded he has to call a cave diver in to explore it further

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Před 10 měsíci +1

      Or find a way to drain it

    • @GOLD_FEVER
      @GOLD_FEVER Před 9 měsíci

      @@SonsOfLorgar not really possible.

  • @sparraps3476
    @sparraps3476 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I understand the price gold is going up and here in BC there is reexlporation and reopening of a lot of claims. I do wish you the best moving forward. I would be so happy for you to hear you hit it huge. Goodluck Dan.

  • @oldschool31
    @oldschool31 Před 10 měsíci +1

    I hope you run some of the rusted material and I love the scenery!

  • @jongordon6132
    @jongordon6132 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Loving the HD . Audio video is looking amazing Dan

  • @DyanEsoap
    @DyanEsoap Před 9 měsíci

    What a beautiful view! Looking forward to seeing what you found!

  • @DerekFox-qt7ih
    @DerekFox-qt7ih Před 10 měsíci +2

    You never let me down ! You do a great job and show me so much interesting things ! I love your videos ! Keep them coming ! Thanks !

  • @donaldfitzgerald8950
    @donaldfitzgerald8950 Před 10 měsíci +4

    Dan! We all know the one with the Prospectors Beard that supports the most gold will win! Lol! Bring it on! ⚒️🚁💪⚖️🤠

  • @jonkneeland
    @jonkneeland Před 9 měsíci +1

    I really want to see more sapphire videos! Super fun to watch!

  • @joeljeffery8704
    @joeljeffery8704 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Lands of Gossen, might be some gold in them hills. Thanks Dan! Happy crushing.

  • @noway05guinness61
    @noway05guinness61 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Best GLOTD. Gossen. Love learning from you Dan. Thanks for letting us share in your adventures.

  • @jasonhowarth6789
    @jasonhowarth6789 Před 10 měsíci

    I saw a really strong resemblance between Evan and your father in this video. Their expressions and mannerisms, dry sense of humor.
    Nice trip to get samples. Can't wait to see you at Jason's processing them!

  • @howardlashbrook8500
    @howardlashbrook8500 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Apparently the rock didn't fall too far from the pile thanks for sharing

  • @georgeconnon7272
    @georgeconnon7272 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Good morning from the South Caribou!!!!!

  • @johnfarrow5873
    @johnfarrow5873 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Dan I'd like to see you go to some place that does actual assays and show the process

  • @paulotts
    @paulotts Před 10 měsíci +2

    Dan, when you smelt, can you separate all the metals individually?

  • @1956dh
    @1956dh Před 10 měsíci +1

    Beautiful Area

  • @UmmmmmmmWhat
    @UmmmmmmmWhat Před 10 měsíci

    That shot from the summit of Apex Mtn is epic!

  • @Supercheeseburger666
    @Supercheeseburger666 Před 10 měsíci

    That looked so much fun exploring up there. I need to get out of the house more often. 🤣

  • @chrisvanderburg5568
    @chrisvanderburg5568 Před 9 měsíci

    I really love the ocean picture stone out of your quarry in midway bc.
    Pretty easy to find your quarry there just based on the power lines. 2 sets of double poles spaced close together with the quarry in between.
    I drove truck through that area for years hauling packaged gasses to castelgar.
    Beautiful area. I'll retire there one day.
    Love your videos. Keepem coming.

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 Před 10 měsíci +2

    That view is amazing!

  • @joesutherland225
    @joesutherland225 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Hey Dan first greenwood now apex it seems like deja vue as I've been two both those locations 40 yrs ago always wanted to get back to this one .ps I think both are viable today. Thought they were then but life took me in a different direction about 3yrs after lol

  • @thomasanglin1751
    @thomasanglin1751 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Morning Dan, question for you. When you send your sample for assay do they keep whatever gold, silver etc.. they get or do they process it and send it back to you?

    • @mikeblair2594
      @mikeblair2594 Před 9 měsíci

      I could be wrong, but I believe that you pay to have a sample asseyed. That would mean they would send the precious metals back to you. For them to keep them wouldn't pay for the process.

  • @elle1rayne
    @elle1rayne Před 9 měsíci

    That valley looks like a fun place to explore on a quad/ motorbike

  • @diamondhunterTv5
    @diamondhunterTv5 Před 9 měsíci

    "Absolutely fascinating! This new gold mine is a game-changer for 2023. The potential and discoveries here are truly incredible. Can't wait to see the future unfold with this remarkable find! 💰✨

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Thanks Dan, it looks like a great prospect.

  • @MikeBaxterABC
    @MikeBaxterABC Před 9 měsíci

    Beautiful Summit view!!! I can't imagine there are many summit peaks, you can just drive to!! .. amazing!
    Great use of the peak for the communication equipment too!! Imagine how much money and environmental costs that saves compared to a bunch of towers! I use to be really into Ham radio, plan on getting back to it soon now that I am retired :0)

  • @flatbrokefrank6482
    @flatbrokefrank6482 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Dan you mentioned black sulphites and showed a sample, sulphites of what ? zinc or lead or..... many thanks

  • @robertwhite268
    @robertwhite268 Před 10 měsíci

    Hope you find what you're looking for nice country up there thanks for sharing

  • @jamespierce-tg7we
    @jamespierce-tg7we Před 10 měsíci +2

    Definitely do a ten ton gold sample. That would be really cool to see. Jason's equipment is really amazing. Plus if you smelted it out you could have some cool bars of metal. Would you lose all the copper in the smelt process or could you recover that to?

  • @bethsands7665
    @bethsands7665 Před 10 měsíci

    Awesome mineral hunting !, DAN, ...YOU GOT YOUR GUSTO FROM YOUR DAD.

  • @mikeblair2594
    @mikeblair2594 Před 9 měsíci

    I love these videos where I get to learn something and it always a bonus when you pop comes along. He reminds me of my dad. Snarky humor that could be so subtle that it hits ya twenty minutes later and just drops ya. Plus, Doug knows how to keep a pressure pump runnin in top condition.

  • @brendachilders8075
    @brendachilders8075 Před 9 měsíci

    Saved the best for last! Awesome view!❤️❤️

  • @anonymously4U
    @anonymously4U Před 9 měsíci

    Love that your dad is along, good job dan

  • @robertordewald8678
    @robertordewald8678 Před 10 měsíci

    I really like that you can spend time with your Dad! My Dad died in 1982 when I was 23 years old. We never had the chance to become friends. It's a regret that I carry. He ended up with Cancer. Sadly, it leached all of the good out of him before he was diagnosed with it.
    I have a hope of seeing him again. This is in the Bible, if anyone wants to talk about this send me a message....

  • @tomallman3956
    @tomallman3956 Před 9 měsíci

    In my younger days I tried to explore old mine shafts in west central Nevada. It seemed like a different type of dark. No amount of light available at the time made it comfortable. I'm not claustrophobic, but I never could abide being down in a shaft. Never figured the tailings were worth checking out.
    Anyway, I enjoy watching your exploits. Living vicariously, I guess.

  • @martineastburn3679
    @martineastburn3679 Před 10 měsíci

    I have a sample of Granite, Calcite layer with limestone topper. Naturally from the top of Mount Franklin in El Paso. Limestone ! Minor in Geo myself.

  • @mackebest1995
    @mackebest1995 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Always the best quality contet from dan hurd, And most people would refer to that as a ATV and not a quad big diffrence(Sry im a motor guy and my OCD sensse was tingling) and you could also use a new machine treat your self you earned it

  • @user-cc5ci7ox9o
    @user-cc5ci7ox9o Před 8 měsíci

    On what you are saying that's why find a drill and comins drilling for even large chunks of gold diamonds etc it's easier and faster and you get a lot more

  • @okanaganlakeman7384
    @okanaganlakeman7384 Před 10 měsíci +1

    ive driven my quad into that mine with the creek running out of it. watch out for wolverines

  • @rootsrock1n
    @rootsrock1n Před 10 měsíci

    Best treasure of all is spending time with dad!

  • @Amrinprospecting
    @Amrinprospecting Před 9 měsíci

    Panemuan luar biasa

  • @jongordon6132
    @jongordon6132 Před 10 měsíci

    What a treasure to have dad with you.

  • @kellyw.1779
    @kellyw.1779 Před 9 měsíci

    Hey Dan! Wow, what a gorgeous view!! Can't wait to find out all the results. Tell your dad "hello" from Texas.😊

  • @richh5038
    @richh5038 Před 10 měsíci

    i really hope to see some of that co untryside before i am too old to get overseas. great videos Dan. keep it up, and keep having fun mate

  • @DEmma1972
    @DEmma1972 Před 10 měsíci

    Had google maps open looking at what you were looking at. Was kinda fun

  • @marcanderson8669
    @marcanderson8669 Před 3 měsíci

    Mate, I live in NZ, arguably the prettiest country on the planet. But that view in the opening minutes of this video is kinda breathtaking.

  • @1944chevytruck
    @1944chevytruck Před 10 měsíci +1

    AWESOME VIDEO!

  • @angelelijahrojas
    @angelelijahrojas Před 2 měsíci

    This is so exciting!!

  • @darntootin6423
    @darntootin6423 Před 10 měsíci

    Definately learned about gossen today. #GLOTD.❤

  • @tonimoraful
    @tonimoraful Před 10 měsíci +1

    Did you learn from your dad about gold mining as you were growing up? Is that what sparked an interest in gold mining and panning?

  • @jameswatt8841
    @jameswatt8841 Před 10 měsíci

    I just watched Jason’s hard rock mining video so I’ll come produce it for ya. Basically an expert now

  • @michaelrossetti7061
    @michaelrossetti7061 Před 10 měsíci

    So beautiful thier

  • @waynek921
    @waynek921 Před 10 měsíci

    Great work on the mountain apex

  • @RobertSeliger
    @RobertSeliger Před 4 měsíci

    Beautiful

  • @dieselstreet8057
    @dieselstreet8057 Před 10 měsíci +1

    That was an absolutely fantastic explore as usual Dan. I live in an area of England that has been extensively mined for ironstone and there are also several jet mines/out crops (n. Yorks) so it was good to see a faimiliar looking material.
    Tip: watch at 75% speed if your relaxing it's almost undetectable and obviously lasts longer 👌🏻

  • @davidtrzil
    @davidtrzil Před 10 měsíci

    Wow! That was great!

  • @user-ri5fy4qy3b
    @user-ri5fy4qy3b Před 10 měsíci

    I love seeing dad excited..

  • @billreinhardt3684
    @billreinhardt3684 Před 10 měsíci

    AMAZING VIEW

  • @charlesahon
    @charlesahon Před 9 měsíci +1

    That is a beautiful spot Dan.

  • @thedopplereffect00
    @thedopplereffect00 Před 10 měsíci +2

    That concentration of copper is surprising. How would you extract it to make additional profit from this mine?

    • @Landogarner83
      @Landogarner83 Před 10 měsíci +1

      With the ore smelted into an alloy you can form it into plates. Those can be used to electrolytically refine the copper.
      As in put the plates alternating with thin copper sheets into an electroplating solution and run the right amount of current between the plates and the sheets.
      The raw plates will dissolve and the copper deposits onto the sheets building those up into plates of pure copper.
      All metals less noble than copper will dissolve into the solution and stay dissolved while the metals that are more noble than copper will settle to the bottom as sludge.
      That sludge contains all the precious metals without the base metals so it is pretty ideal for further refining.

  • @charlesroer972
    @charlesroer972 Před 10 měsíci

    All that copper sulfide , that turquoise color , silver , copper n everything else . Great shot from the top !have a good one !

  • @2001benraze
    @2001benraze Před 10 měsíci +2

    Assuming you're buying these properties low and doing the research with the hope of selling high based on the info you gather. How do you buy these properties? They seem like incredible property, albeit remote, regardless of the presence of minerals or precious metals. I'm not in Canada so I'm sure the process is different, but just curious how you came into possession of all of your various properties.

    • @SonsOfLorgar
      @SonsOfLorgar Před 10 měsíci

      According to a video a few months ago, it's either at auction or any of the same ways other kinds of land property is traded in Canada

    • @AIM54A
      @AIM54A Před 10 měsíci +1

      I don't think he's buying the property.. He's buying the mineral rights. Then if the minerals on that property has value he can lease/sell those rights to another party that would do the mining.

  • @bethsands7665
    @bethsands7665 Před 10 měsíci

    You-go-boys !!