What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Uncover the chilling story of Natalee Holloway's disappearance and the relentless pursuit for truth. From sensational news coverage to a mother's two-decade search, discover the complete narrative now revealed in 2023.
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So nice of Matt to not reveal the reason he can’t take a vacation is because he is chained up in the basement
allegedly, in our opinion
He had been warned. Killed or worse !
Matt simmons gene family jules.
Fun fact: the agreement also indicated that if Joran was ever released early from the Peruvian jail for good behavior for example, he is to be immediately sent to the US to face his 20 year sentence in the US system.
GOOD
Isn’t that true for almost any crime by anyone though, assuming an extradition agreement which we clearly already have?
@@regan3873some countries don’t make sure he actually arrives. Lots of criminals can escape justice. Without the agreement especially Dutch criminals I noticed. One was set free in turkey then got away while being sentenced in a different country .
I remember being so happy when he finally got caught.
As a Dutch person I already knew quite a bit about this case. Also the detective/journalist/legend Peter R de Vries who helped solve the case was murdered by the Moroccan maffia two years ago, maybe you can do an episode about Peter R de Vries because he was absolutely amazing. As I am a journalist/text writer myself I would love to help if you like
Edit: Also you can find videos of Dutch TV if you search for example Joran van der Sloot en Peter R de Vries Pauw en Witteman (Joran threw wine in Peter's face)
Yes, investigative journalists are so brave to investigate serious cases. And by talking about the cases they shared and especially the ones that allegedly they died over makes sure that the stories never die and can be never truly burried
A famous quote of Peter R de Vries was "I would rather die standing than live on bended knee" it's very sad that it became reality for him
Thank you. I've heard of the extraordinary Peter R de Vries, but I never realized he was connected to the Holloway case. I was saddened to hear of the brave man's death.
That would be an amazing episode!
Is that the dude who secretly filmed Joran smoking herb and boasting about offing Natalie? I remember before that video tons of Americans were still giving Joran the benefit of the doubt regarding Natalie. After that video came out, there was little doubt in people’s minds that Joran was responsible for Natalie’s disappearance. If we’re talking about the same dude, it’s incredibly sad that he got taken out by lowlife mobsters. There were interviews with him on American news outlasts talking about how he gained Jordan’s trust and got him to confess. He seemed like a really cool, intelligent guy fighting the good fight. RIP Peter.
"Vacationing with children is just parenting in an unfamiliar location." ~ something I overheard on the Internet. 😂
I always said 'same shit, different location' lol 😂
This is why the buddy system is so important when you're in large groups. You stick together no matter what, even going to bathroom. Never go off alone.
Exactly I can't imagine going anywhere this far from home with this many people and not having a buddy system in place. I understand others are blaming the fact that 7 chaperones aren't enough for 150 teenagers, but as one of the 159 you have to think a buddy system wouldn't be a bad idea especially for the young women.
I mean I'm not disagreeing with you but I also think that two girls are nearly equally as likely to get overpowered, especially when inebriated, or tricked by a group of three guys like in this case.
Safety in numbers only works if somebody is paying attention.
There's a cutoff number where safety in numbers turns out to be more dangerous. I don't know what that number is but it's easy to get lost in the crowd. That's why it's always recommended to have a buddy system.
When you mix the stupid juice in it doesn’t matter how many people there are in a group. They aren’t thinking clearly or making good decisions as evidenced by the over consumption of alcohol.
I suppose it's rather situational.
A lot of "safety" boils down to this: don't be the easiest target.
Being part of a large group, at the very least, lends you better odds of them picking someone else. It's also intimidating to approach a large group, so there's that too.
But yeah, it's always a good idea to have a conversation before going to agree on how everyone is getting home and what steps should be taken to make sure that happens safely. Always bring your "party mom", which is the responsible adult in a friend group that watches everyone's drinks, makes sure you have a ride home, and checks to make sure you got there safely.
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I'm Dutch and remember this case very well. May Joran rot in prison forever.
If he is unlucky enough to end up getting out of prison there, he is to immediately be extradited to the US to serve a 20 year sentence.
I am a huge fan of the C.C. and I was so excited yet heartbroken to see this video in my feed. I grew up in Mountain Brook, AL and was about 4-5 when Natalee went missing. She would babysit myself and many many other children in the neighborhood and was such a joy to have around. When she first went missing we all held our hope she had just gotten lost or forgotten to tell her friends where she had gone. After the community found out what had most likely happened to her, it was years before seniors took a celebratory holiday outside of the states. Thank you Simon and Matt for giving such a detailed account of the events and making more people aware of what a wonderful young woman Natalee was and how much she meant to us all.
I'm so sorry. I read a lot of the reporting at the time, and it was so heartbreaking. She was just a very young woman trying to have a good time and cut loose a little between high school and college, and she was taken by a horrible predator. Her poor mother moved heaven and earth trying to find her.
So hard to prove rape, when prosecutors are asking “why didn’t you fight back? Where are the defensive sounds on him?”… and this is why. We’re terrified of getting killed by making the guy angry if we hurt him by fighting back.
The thing that annoys me is that her saying no once should be all that's needed for it to at least be SA. Just because he's not missing an eye doesn't mean he had permission, it was just a split second decision between 2 awful options, 'Do I fight and possibly die or do I suffer through the rape?' Then again, we've had a bunch of stories on this channel where they'd already decided their victim was not going to make it, in which case it wouldn't matter. But I think on odds rape is far more common than murder, so I get it.
I know it's naive and optimistic but how I wish this just didn't happen. We only get so much time alive, why use it hurting others :(
One of the most wild things about this that I recently learned is that Natalee’s mom allegedly briefly dated JonBenet Ramsey’s dad in like 2007. So bizarre.
i mean they both lost their child they could’ve bonded over that
Even I didn’t know that
@@moviestargf I think that’s exactly what happened. I just think it’s just a small world
@@MatthewMarcum it’s alleged as they’ve never talked about it publicly themselves but people saw them at restaurants and on dates at the time. They were pretty cozy.
@@7BearSarah I found an article on it. It said they claimed to be just friends, but who knows. Wild stuff.
In terms of describing me after death, I hope my friends say, “She was a crooked old bag, but we loved her…”
Mean old bastard in my case...otherwise, same.
We are all flawed. To be loved regardless is the best of all possible outcomes.
That being said, don't be a dick, people.
I want ‘em to say “Who? R.I.P. I guess.”
I hate how all flaws seem to be forgotten after death
“And I’d like to think…there’s a little bit of him in all of us.” then they explain how my ashes got baked into the cookies.
Simon: "What do you want them to do? March in there and take over?"
Murica: "Fuck yeah!"
😂😂😂😂😂
I'm American and love this comment!!!! 😂😂
This case was absolutely massive in the Netherlands. Almost everybody my age (27) and older will be able to tell you roughly what the story was, and I had an unlucky friend named Yoran who never heard the end of it
Joran was obviously guilty and his dad covered for him by knowing the law, wonder how many other devious things he did that were never known
I love how Simon’s videos are slowly getting linger and longer. We started at 45 minutes, now we’re at an hour and a half
There's some CC episodes that break the 2 hour mark.
He's got 3+ hour episodes coming out now. Eventually, he'll just go live and never stop.
It’s funny watching the old episodes and he’s like “it’s so long, this script has so many pages!” And it’s 45 minutes long and I’m watching it right after finishing a 3 hour video 😂
This is the new ‘short’ one
Anything over 90 mins is just daft as it’s vvvv difficult to do in one go
Not a new thing, scripts have been phat as fuck for awhile now
Two minutes in but I can confirm that attitude older Americans have of "you'll get killed or worse if you travel to another country." When my wife was planning her move here to Finland she was told that she would be sold to human trafficking. In Finland. Not saying we're crime free or anything but come on now.
I’ve been told the same thing about a dozen times since buying a house by myself less than an hour away from my home town. I appreciate the caution, but some of it is rather quite dramatic lolol
I'm pretty sure in the history of people thinking "I'm in the market to buy/steal some humans", none of them ever thought of Finland as prime shopping location.
A friend of mine went to the USA and ended up in the middle of the las vegas shooting
Full offense but the USA is one of the most dangerous countries in the west. Leaving tends to be safer than staying
@@jasonwomack4064Soviets and Mongols....
Yet the irony is that literal tiny children are forced to learn what to do when some lunatic antisocial/incel decides it's time for a school full of little children to pay for everything the world ever did to him.
Yeah. Makes sense.
I'm sad to say, but I truly believe all three of those guys SA her and fed her to the sharks. --- I would be devastated if my daughter turned up missing and I could never find her.
Jug Twitty is indeed the greatest name I've ever heard
What I've never understood is how authorities can tell you that you can't report a missing person till it's been 24 hours, but they also tell you that the first 48 hours are the best chance you have of finding a missing person.
The 24 hours thing is a myth, you should actually make a report as soon as possible, within hours if possible
@@niyaburke2692 from personal experience I can tell you it's not. I had to report a missing person myself and the police refused to do anything even though I knew she was suicidal. She spent the night talking herself off a bridge and I just had to sit home and wait, not expecting her to ever come back
@@n0b0dy-- I'm not sure about every precinct, I guess you can't force cops into action. But my Uncle is a cop and he always tells members of our family to file a report as quickly as possible, instead of waiting. But that doesn't always mean police will do their job which is unfortunate.
Dang, never light up a room with your smile, or make an impression on everyone you meet
This is why my girlfriends and I always had a arrive together, leave together rule.
That would make it rather hard to keep each of them from finding out about the others, though
@@orterves lmao
no offense but youd be safe on your own
Same. Even in local clubs/events, we always make sure to keep tabs on who we're with and you'd be sure we wouldn't just loose track of when/with whom we left.
@@secretagent5954 Watching tons of casual criminalist videos the least you can gather is regardless of the person, no they would not be safe on their own. If your original comment wasn't meant as an insult it was misguided, if it was meant as an insult I seriously suggest some self reflection as insulting random women on the internet does not signify a healthy mental state.
Are these super long videos the writers’ attempts to keep Simon busy so they can try to make their great escape from the basement?
Ssshhhhh 🤫
Don’t tell Simon their plan lol
I LOOOOOOOOVVVEEEE to hear Simon say, "GAWDAYUM!!!" he's sooooo Merican when he says that. Love you Simon, from across the pond!
Hope everyone is having an excellent summer! I still haven’t taken a vacation, but soon… maybe :)
Enjoy the episode!
Well you got us all scared now! Gotta stay home with the bald eagles
Excellent episode as always thank you for help making these videos it wouldn't be that same without you 💜💜💜
My big brother is trying to get me to go back to Italy. I'm not sure. From the UK 😂😂
Excellent script! Have you ever considered covering Johnny Gosch’s disappearance? There’s a detail to the case that would absolutely BREAK Simon! lol 😂
There's a lot of places in the US to vacation.
You mention how everyone is nice about missing/murdered people...
There's a British guy missing in Tenerife at the moment, and obviously most people interviewed are saying that hes a fun loving lad and liked by everyone who knows him... But then it doesn't take much to find out that he was one of a group of 8 who attacked a guy so badly that part of his skull was exposed just a few years ago. He somehow dodged prison and got community service (spineless justice system here). Apparently still involved in some gang activity and drugs.
Obviously, most media kinda skirts that bit...
Similarly, a guy I went to school with was a routine speeder and drink driver who wrecked 3 cars by the time he was 23. He died in a crash when we were 25, fortunately didn't take anyone else with him, and local papers interviewed friends, family and neighbours. A friend of mine lived up the road and told them what he was like, that he'd always been a piece of work in general, that he had it coming... Not a mention of it in the paper, just how much of a 'tragic accident' the 'untimely death' of a 'talented footballer and musician' in a 'horror crash' was.
We had to watch that movie about the guy who runs away from home, goes to Alaska and dies in a bus and I couldn't help but think, "that dude is given so much postmortem grace, he seems like such a douche"
I truly believe that people tend to be nicer once someone has experienced something horrible, be it assault or death or divorce.
Another example that is a little more current is that woman who made a TikTok of her crying because she made her own birthday cake "for her kids" and her ex who immediately hit back that she didn't have custody. That whole thing is very messy, but the point is that A LOT of people are on the woman's side because she is a mother and she claims to have been abused (I personally believe she may have been) and calling her a good person/mother dispute her past of scams, including faking lymphoma. People want black and white, so if there is a way to weasel out a clear "good guy dead, bad guy alive" situation, people will force it.
That's just my 2 cents, ofc
It's understandable. Imagine the public outrage if a news outlet published something along the lines of "So the guy who died recently was a bit of a butthead and probably had it coming"... Even if it was true, people would be upset about the disrespect for the dead.
@@TheDarkDogmaticDragonArisen a few days ago a 25 year old Moroccan Muslim guy in the Netherlands was murdered by his 55 year old islamophobic neighbor (with many islamophobic tweets by him easily found online) and all the newspapers are calling it a parking dispute and saying what a nice guy the murderer and that he likes Mercedeses is whilst writing more or less that the victim was a dick that only cared about his BMW. The wife and 2 month old of the victim survived because the wife ran inside and hid in the bathroom. As someone in journalism I can say it truly sucks so much.
@@jessiec668 pls read my comment, what you describe only seems to be the case if the Vic/missing person is not a part of a minority
Simon: Killed or worse…
Me: Expelled 😂
Natalee Holloway graduated the same year as me. I went on a Senior trip three weeks after she went missing and my parents nearly had a fit.
I was 13 and living in Alabama at the time. You couldn't go anywhere without seeing her face on a magazine. But I thought it was just local news.
At the very least it was big national news. From DC and i remember this being a big story when it happened
I live in Central New York, it was big news here.
It was big in The Netherlands as well, as it happened in our overseas territories.
I live on the west coast and the search for her was in the media here for years. Her mom was clearly very dedicated to finding her. 😢
I live in the same area and was in 2nd grade at the time. As an 8yo I knew her name and her face and that she was missing. And now, almost 20 years later, any adult knows her story. It’s horrific.
You scoff at the end about people "enjoying" the video, but I did. I'm a couple years older than Natalie would have been. So I identified with her a little. But as a 20-something, I was also observing what a difference it made in the case that the victim was a pretty, rich, blonde, white girl. And the difference made that the murderer was a rich boy. Hearing your thorough and complete coverage sort of brought things full circle for me. Thank you.
Definitely. If she wasn't from a rich family, the case would have most likely died within days or weeks. And if he wasn't from a well off lawyer family, there's a good chance a more thorough investigation would have been conducted and something might have been found.
I've lived in Alabama practically my entire life, and if there's one case that sticks with me, it's Natalee's. I remember being a young child and it felt like you couldn't turn the TV on without hearing the name Natalee Holloway. I still think about this case all the time.
Same. I was a junior going into senior year when this broke. After returning to school for senior year that is all the class we talk about. Physical newspapers had her picture on the front page just about every day.
Every time I hear of this case, and I believe in many cases in general when Dutch people hear his name (it's pronounced as: van der Sloat) we are ashamed to be Dutch.
The reporter who secretly taped most of the evidence got killed, shot in broad daylight in Amsterdam in 2021- R.I.P. Peter R. de Vries.
RIP legend, Peter R de Vries ❤
We are ashamed because as of Joran but can be proud because of Peter
I'm American, and I have far more criminals to be ashamed of sharing a nationality with. Except for a few individuals, the Dutch as a whole are creative, innovative, and decent people. Your country's engineering feats are a marvel.
Good thing you never had a Marc Dutroux then... as far as is currently known, at least.
While I can understand you may be worried that anyone who hears a story like this (and doesn't know anything else about your home country) may believe that the Dutch are all criminals or something, most people are aware that individuals are just individuals, man. As far as crime goes, the Netherlands is so much better off than the US it's not even funny. Simon has by now done videos on cannibal Italian grandmas, serial killer German railway workers during WWII, and an honestly alarming number of British doctors and nurses who were serial killers. Every country is gonna have one or two wackos, and Joran is small fry compared to the other people I just mentioned.
Considering the throughlines of most CasCrim videos, I have the impression that the *real* measure of a country's likelihood of producing criminals like this is the state of their equivalent of Child Protective Services... considering the great majority of these people are made through abuse.
@@retriever19golden55 You are absolutely right ofcourse. But it made me ashamed of being a Dutchman. When I hear of Americans and other cases in the world, it makes me ashamed of being human.
@@trishapellis You are absolutely right ofcourse. But it made me ashamed of being a Dutchman. When I hear of Americans and other cases in the world, it makes me ashamed of being human.
URINE!!! Omg 😳 I am dying 😂 That’s such a great name for him
I'm from thr Birmingham Al area. You couldn't go 5 minutes without hearing about this in 2005. It changed the way a lot of people traveled and how senior trips were taken
When my Indiana high school traveled to a Miami in 1996 we had 4 adults per bus, not including teachers. We had 7 buses total. I can't believe they only had 7 for about 150.
They were college students
@@jennyterrell6354 oh shit my bad
The trip was not a school sanctioned event and took place after graduation- if it had been I imagine that it would have been similar to what you described.
Seriously. Even though it wasn't a school trip, it involved school-related adults and sounds like a super skeezy roundabout by those "adults."
Yeah "safety in numbers" is generally used to mean "we can gang up on people if necessary" but at a certain point numbers become a hazard to the individual. At the very least put a buddy system in place. Each one person looks out for one other person.
I smile a little every time he calls him urine.
Just wish he changed the "oo" to a "u" in the last name too. 👌
@@Victoria-dh9vbcalling a man the U version isn't always an insult. Some even take it pridefully 😮
I remember this well. I was 18, just graduated from high school, and about to start my first year of uni. It was HUGE.
I've heard about this news since I was a little girl. So sad for her parents and everybody who loved her.
I was also about to start my first year of college & I remember seeing the picture of her wearing pearls being all over the news
To everyone outside the US, this was a HUGE story in America. I was about 6 years old when it all started and its probably my earliest memory of the news. It was crazy how much attention this got. Much like the Gabby Petito case, but without the social media element.
Re: southern names Bout 15 years ago, in Alabama there was a politician named Young Boozer 😂 I always got a kick out of his election ads
Peter R de vries was/is forever a legend especially here in the Netherlands. The amount of crimes he helped solve and the people he’s helped and supported, truly a one of a kind man
Americans: Don't go to Europe it's dangerous.
Europeans; Don't go to America it's dangerous
@@breinfrog5879 the case takes place in Aruba not Europe. Aruba is an island next to South America .
@@Jaa__17it’s obviously hyperbole, and besides, if anything americans and europeans would probably agree: don’t go to south america, it’s dangerous
As I’m watching this, I get a notification from my news app for a new story about how scary it is to travel anywhere outside of the US. lol. The jokes made at the expense of US news were super on-point, but to literally get handed one of these articles before I could finish this video is beyond parody. 😂
So... the "chaperones" didn't account for all the young people at the end of the night? In what way were they chaperones?
7 chaperones for 125 people
@@paluckisteven Yea, the moment i saw 7 to 100+ i was like "that's not even close to enough chaperones"
Everyone else is hearing “urine” right? Not just me?
Yeeeeah, your mind go where my mind went on the last name too?
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7 chaperones for 150 students and not one of them stayed to make sure all the students were safe?
Well who plans a high school trip to Aruba?
One did volunteer to stay behind.
Simon did say that a chaperone had tried to get the Aruba police to open a missing person investigation only hours before her parents landed but to no avail. I'm guessing that means one of the chaperones did stay behind.
Thank You Matthew and Simon for the latest CazCrim!
I'm terribly sorry for the Holloways/Twittys. I just wish that people would tell their children these three simple rules: 1) Nothing good happens after midnight - go home. 2) If you drink, stay with your friends because your judgment is shot. 3) Never get in a car with strangers. That's all.
Uploads a new casual criminalists episode 10 mins after I get home from a 3 hour drive…….
Uh, don’t you know to plan your work/social life around your favorite podcasts?
Should have been 5 minutes
I feel for ya
The world doesn't revolve around you sunshine
😂😂😂
Simon and all who worked on this. THANK YOU! I always wondered what happenend to her.
5:35 - Chapter 1 - A promising future
11:40 - Chapter 2 - Aruba
15:10 - Chapter 3 - Mission, day 1
23:50 - Chapter 4 - The great search
31:50 - Chapter 5 - Finger pointing , false leads & other serious confusions
41:35 - Chapter 6 - A small storm
52:50 - Chapter 7 - The recording
59:55 - Chapter 8 - The despicable deception
1:07:50 - Chapter 9 - Arrested, again
1:12:50 - Chapter 10 - The confession
Thank you. Much appreciated.
My husband and I went to Aruba for our honeymoon, and both of our parents were concerned because of this case! And that was in 2018..
If one (publically infamous) murder in 10ish causes such a reaction then you home area must be very save
are they concerned about you being shot while walking the streets in the us?
@@Fantasygrl 2018 and still worried is just over reacting. Aruba is pretty safe.
This entire channel highlights the fact that the law has to apply the same way every time, even when we don't like it
I have been watching your videos for years. Simon couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw this title. As someone from Aruba, I can still remember the missing pictures around the island
21 minutes in and I’ve said “oh Simon” with a fond smile too many times already.
Simon, as an American, NEVER ask us if we want to send in the troops. Most people will say some sort of "yes" 😬
This story infuriated me. Around the time this happened, I worked as a tour conductor on spring break trips. A few months after this hit the news cycle (why, I have no idea. Yeah, yeah I do), I took a group to Cancun. One girl went to Senor Frog's with her two friends. They met a group of guys (locals) and when her friends were going back to the hotel (Oasis), she told them she'd catch up with them later. She wound up paying for the four of them (three guys and her) to go to Mazatlan on her credit card and then they left her there. She called her parents the next afternoon in tears, begging for money to get home (credit card maxed out). I get an urgent call at my hotel from my boss asking me what happened. Like I freakin' know! I'm just there for customer service purposes, not as a damn babysitter! They had their own babysitters....err, chaperones. "This could've turned out like that Holloway girl" AND? I've been traveling for over 30 years and even as a combat and SERE trained veteran, I'd still never follow some strangers and leave my friends behind in a foreign country. And I wouldn't have done it when I was 18 either. Then again, there's a definite difference in experience between growing up in NYC in the '80s versus growing up in a bubble in suburban Alabama in the early 21st century. Beth should've probably read Little Red Cap to Natalee at some point.
I grew up in bubble suburbs. I’m hand full of years older than Halloway. We would never have left a friend behind. I went on a Latin Club trip to Italy when I was 17. We were young, drunk, and dumb in a foreign country. We never left any of us behind, and when a 30-year-old “helped” the very drunk 15-year-old in the group back to her room, we collectively surrounded him and herded him out and away from her, even though multiple of us were not in much better shape. I’m guessing this was a very hard learned lesson for her friends, and they likely spent the rest of their lives being hyper vigilant.
An absolute MASSIVE shout out to Matt who managed to make a seemingly mundane and repetitive series of events INCREDIBLY fixating!
I’m from Mountain Brook, and went to the same High School as Natalee. We feel her loss in many places, and school trips are now no longer allowed to be international. My mother used to make small talk with Beth Holloway at the nail salon. Small towns can make loss so much harder.
And now that you gave us a taste of the DC Sniper story at Into The Shadows, give us the full story here!
For girls the rule should always be if you arrive together you leave together. Leave your number, give him your socials, don't ever go home with someone. We always emphasize the importance to kids to "never get into a strangers car" and then forget it when we get older. The world is an unkind and dangerous place. Fight about "cockblocking" in the morning when you're all home and sober.
Having been born and raised in Birmingham, I followed this tragic case with keen interest.
Trips like this - young, inexperienced kids, alcohol, limited adult supervision - are often a tragedy waiting to happen.
She was a good kid who made a few bad decisions, which ended in her death. Simply heartbreaking.
I was 13 when Natalee’s story first broke and it has DEFINITELY stayed with me. I am very impressed with Matthew’s script as the factual details of how she went missing differed from what I remembered or conjured up in my mind. I remember thinking of this story whenever out with friends as a reminder to never let one of your friends go off alone or with anyone else, because you just never know. I am happy we finally got some resolution as I always felt horrible for her parents, family, and friends. It was one of those cases that everyone pretty much knew what happened but, because nothing was ever proven, there was always that shadow of doubt.
I have to say, I didn’t remember how rich Natalee’s family was. Between that and the fact that she was a young, American blonde girl, it’s no wonder her story is so well known. While these facts don’t make Natalee and her family any less deserving of justice, it also just highlights the discrimination when it comes to victims in the US. Just a sad fact.
Also, Matthew’s intro was fantastic! As a lover of travel myself, I often get disdain from other Americans at wanting to explore the world rather than just the US. Trust me, it gets old. If you want to stay in the US, that’s fine, but don’t judge me for wanting to explore the world.
I remember this case, and when I go to Japan on business (with and for my brother as his translator if I can get the time off at my own job) our mother is always ON HIM to make sure that I'm safe. . . . Even though he can't speak the language, or understand the judicial system. Nvm it being one of the safer countries in the world.
Our mom makes sure we email, IM, ect every day/night before we go to bed. Just so her fear is eased. And while I DO find it REALLY annoying at times (idk about my brother) I'm reminded of what happened to Natalee and keep any annoyance to myself. Because at the end of the day, it eases our mom's fears, and helps her sleep at night. ❤
I grew up in Alabama when she went missing and had friends that knew her. To this day I refuse to go to Aruba now. Never have and never will.
Hahaha keep living in fear mate. Missing out a lot of nice experiences. America is all about murder. But you won’t go on vacations. 👏🏾😂
Joran van der Sloot happened to Natalee. RIP Natalee and Stephany
It's disgusting people do this just because they are rejected. Things like this are why people are scared to say 'no'.
@@stephanybrown3226 it's horrible, especially given how many of them are good at getting away with it
Yep
Yeah it's pretty absurd that there are or have been hundreds of cases where the douchebag killer had been rejected & had his brittle ego damaged so he tries to *TAKE A LIFE* in response. Like, how many losers do we have to hear about doing this exact thing?! If a woman does not desire you back, it's not difficult to accept it & move on! it's never the end of the world & every person who's shot their shot with a few people has probably been rejected at least once! I really don't blame women when they say a general statement like "men are trash" because it doesn't take Einstein to understand which types they're referring to! And if a man lashes out whenever he feels his ego being bruised, it means he has unresolved issues that are far more detrimental than any "no" he could hear from a woman 💀
@@droomzy
Somehow I doubt you apply this thought process when people make generalizations about any other groups.
I just want to know how a guy meets a bunch of people from Alabama and says his name is Joran without all of them immediately deciding to call him "piss."
Unrelated, as someone who lives in the south of the US and has also been to Europe a couple times, no. Our weather is not nice all the time. It's 95 out right now and the heat index is actually higher. As soon as you step outside it feels like your skin has been set on fire and you're walking through soup.
@@lindseycaldwell9559 this case doesn’t take place in Europe. Aruba is in he Caribbean.
@@Jaa__17 I know. Simon lives in the Czech Republic and commented on the weather in the US and other southern locales being nice all the time.
Joran is really said as Youran not urine. The freaky part was when I googled how to say Joran one if the first three choices was;
how to say Joran Van Der Sloot 😮
@@bunyipdragon9499 That's really not surprising, Google tracks your activity and likely the most notable Joran is Joran van der Sloot. Also, "Youran" and "urine" sound very similar regardless of how you try to bend it, and especially so in a Southern accent.
I remember hearing about this case almost every single year since it happened
Many listeners are packing their bags to travel the country or countries? Did you forget your largest fan basis is in America. We can't afford that. We just enjoy the joy of your videos
Even if we can we don’t have the PTO 😂my EU coworkers are on vacation to much for me to take one.
That’s honest! Some people convince their selfs that is ‘dangerous’.
I've only left my state once in my life, haha.
Never been on vacation where you go anywhere. Just a break from duties and staying home.
@@settame1 Nah, it's just your boss lying and fucking you over with the combination of workload, people hired and scheduling. Otherwise we wouldn't have been able to rest either.
Well you could travel to Canada, the exchange rate is pretty good for you lot. (I’m Canadian)
I can't believe this was 20 years ago.... I remember all the news coverage. Corporate media constantly covered this story.
Thanks For simon! Matthew! Love your scripts! They're always amazing 😊😊😊
Man, this hits very close to home and hope Simon would cover it someday. She and I went to different high schools in the Birmingham area but were the same year and I believe our high schools were even rivals of sorts. We even share a last name but as far as my father knows there's no relation. I still remember hearing of her disappearance and then learning the monster who was suspected of killing her went on to kill a different girl and then finally confessed to killing Natalee here recently.
I lived in Birmingham when this happened. The saddest thing was the photo of her and her 'friends' provided by the family showed Natalee standing NEAR, not WITH a couple of others. They weren't her friends based on that photo.
Me too. I remember the constant nightly news about it. Wish the family had closure by being able to lay Natalee's remains to rest, but I suppose if her mother feels satisfied, a confession (albeit an overly graphic one by a psycho) will suffice.
How the hell can you come to any sort of a conclusion like that based off of a single photo? Get a grip mate, you are disparaging her friends because of a single photo the family provided...
@@dannysplace7THIS!!!!
If your friends with someone you bring them into the picture to be with you and next to you, not standing off to the side like a misplaced person @dannysplace7
@@havoc467you don’t even know if it was a quick picture or nothing..
Woo never been so early to a CC video! It’s slow at work and this will be a nice way to pass the time 😊
missing an INTERNATIONAL flight isnt that big of a deal?? at 18!! when she has no history of this?
I've been waiting so breathlessly for CC thank you!
Brain cells start dying after minutes without oxygen so you haven't been waiting that long lol
duuuude i know!!!!
He hates Siri so much but he literally never uses it correctly lol you gotta say “hey Siri”
He did say "Hey siri" for the longest time, but it's been a few months that siri failed him. It worked before.
Siri never works for me. It doesn’t matter what I yell at her. Hey Google and alexia don’t either.
These things are trained on specific set of voices. Even after you do the “set up” for your voice it’s still trying to match it to the limited data set: the tech bros that made them.
@@M-_-OMy Alexa responds to my cat. He meows, and Alexa replies, “I’m sorry, I didn’t quite catch that.” They have entire back and forths, though it happens less now that he’s gotten wise that she will never feed him. 😂
I'm a woman who has solo traveled all over the place and as long as you use your brain and stay out of certain places/countries, I find it freeing to be able to do what I want, when I want, while I'm on vacation. You're far more likely to be murdered by someone you know, than a stranger. Still, do your research and be safe.
Yeah, it's about common sense. Want to go to places like Japan or Australia? You'll probably be fine.
But you get people who decide to bike through terrorist-infested areas, and, surprise, they get super murdered.
People just have to be realistic about where they're going and what it's like there. It's not good to be afraid of everything, but also not good to be blind to danger. You also have to listen to your gut and stay out of bad situations because anywhere you go (including the US), people can target you BECAUSE you're a traveler and will have a harder time doing anything about it.
I'm surprised a high school trip like this was planned to another country. Especially where alcohol is served.
*sigh* I’d like to try traveling solo but I still get razzed for that one time I drove three hours by myself to visit a museum. Traveling with a group can be great but trying to get a group of people on the same page at the same time so you can get where you want to go is exhausting.
The ONLY way to travel! ✌🏼
Are you saying that Aruba isn't safe?
I very very much remember this case. She was 2 years older than me and I grew up in Arkansas so this story was heavily covered since her parents are from my area
His last name means “from the ditch” that’s fitting
I lived next door in Mississippi and moved to Alabama in 2006 so I've heard ALL about this ever since it happened. Still, you shared more in one concise summary than I ever knew. Thank you!
I grew up in the same area as Natalee, who was a few years older than me. I still remember this vividly, and saw her mom around the community frequently in the months afterwards. As a parent now, I cannot imagine the anguish that they all went through. The sudden shock, the uncertainty, the loss of hope and despair as such a smart, beautiful young woman was so callously treated. This one hits close to home, and 20 years later still makes me emotional.
28:03 the US has gone to war for a lot less
Great episode Simon! I've just had my ketamine treatment and it was lovely to hear your voice, very calming
I wish that Joran could know that his names sounds almost exactly like the word urine when said aloud by Simon. It would bring me joy 😊❤
I can't be the only one who is kind of disturbed by the family involving the media at every stage?
No publicity is bad publicity when you're looking for a missing person
Nope, all and constant publicity is the only way to keep pressure on the authorities to actially do something !
You can pretty much credit all the extensive police work on Aruba (Beyond looking around the yard and going 'well Natalee ain't here so bye') to direct and indirect influence, much from the media. Yeah it's creepy, but look at any mass shooting, it doesn't take much at all for the media to jump on it like a B in heat. She was a blonde white woman, supposedly attractive, news channels didn't need much convincing to get into the mix.
It is almost to the point where you should call the media as soon as you hang up the phone with the police. Otherwise, you get the whole “people go missing on their own initiative” or “they just ran away”.
I love that simin says his name as urine!
FINALLY SIMON! been waiting for an eternity!😅
The ending is incorrect. Joran's sentence of 20 years in the states is concurrent to his sentence in Peru, meaning that he will be released in 2045, except when he gets released earlier in Peru.
I get the feeling Europe doesn’t get as humid as the southern us does. Since I wouldn’t call the weather ‘nice’
@@faiyoake Aruba is not in Europe. Aruba is close to Venezuela. So the weather is pretty nice 😂
@@faiyoake much warmer than the south in the US probably
@@Jaa__17 I was talking about the Czech Republic, where Simon lives
The Rights aren't there to protect Innocent People. They are there to prevent Abuse of Authority.
always happy to start my work week with a new vid
Quite funny that a lot of people don´t wanna travel to the US because of the same reasons.
“Unsatisfied real life ending.” Epic. 🤣🤣🤣 (I am allowed to use emoji as Simon once confessed he uses them)
Tbh I never realised the police interrogated the suspects so early on in the case.
Edit - literally two seconds later that officer said “these people confessed and we have the body” so clearly it wasn’t that effective
My cousin went to the same school as Natalee, they were a couple years apart. I was probably in middle school at the time of her disappearance so I don’t remember it to vividly but it was all over Birmingham and the smaller city we were from Trussville was in disbelief of what had happened to one of our own. Every billboard and local news network was dedicated to Natalee, rightfully so. God rest her soul
Still waiting for that jack unterweger episode..😊
Thanks for the new video Simon, always interesting
I’m from Alabama and I’ve been hoping Casual Criminalist would cover this story!
I can assure you that as the story is described here, it was in fact quite different on the ground. As a local, we were constantly confronted by a rather vicious two-faced lady -- Natalee's mother -- who constantly pretended to be cooperative & kind to local efforts, whilst completely deriding our island to the international media. She was under the impression us locals weren't aware what she was saying to the international press, until confronted. Allegations of police corruption/incompetence are purely unfounded. We deal with hardcore criminal Venezuelan / Colombian cartels all the time. Any time some idiotic US tourist thinks themselves untouchable, we normally immediately get the FBI involved. Quite a few US citizens have tried some form of life insurance conspiracy, family members mysteriously going "missing" on the island etc. As for law enforcement & legal procedures, we follow Dutch/EU standards, and are trained as such. The FBI report on credit card usage of the Holloways revealed some curious charges as well.
No, the van der Sloot family were/are not wealthy, and never had been -- their portrayal is completely off. They never had any sort of convenient connections of any kind. The father was as near as a total failure in life as is possible to be. The 2 other brothers are polar opposite to Joran, well educated intelligent & successful.
It should be noted that the Netherlands, at great expense -- supposedly over 100 million euros -- sent over an aerial flotilla of military jets to aid in the search as well. The effort served a dual purpose of surveillance of Venezuelan military activity as well.
The frustration for Americans remains, that we do not & can not legally throw a person in prison for life (at most 20 years) based solely on allegations. There simply wasn't evidence of murder / homicide, whether violent or otherwise, that could be used. No doubt Joran did something. Most of us suspect she ended up in the sea -- plenty fishermen vanish in a very similar way among the Caribbean islands every year.
Thankyou, we rarely get to hear the islanders viewpoint in these cases. I can't say for a fact but I'm guessing the derision of your island and people was to stir things up in the mefia to keep the pressure on in hopes of getting a break in finding her daughter. That doesn't justify her actions but her daughter was her first and only thought 💜
Ive always thought of Joran as the Dutch Paul Flores. I hope he gets the same reception Paul has received in California's prison system.
Suggestion Simón. Please cover the FTX fraud
Sadly, Sam Bankman-Jailed has been covered to death and is old news at this point. But you never know.
@robg1358Sam pay you to say that?