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A wise man once said, “I’m not rich enough to buy cheap stuff”
Old people gets delirious with age.
Old man yells at cloud?
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I think the only reason that Glock still makes factory new Gen-3 models is because they can't get the Gen-5 on to the California Approved Handgun Roster.
I've got similar frustrations with a knife world, but firearms have all these peripheral items that can be done poorly so this is an unending conversation and I love it
Excellent shots on target... dropped him like a bad habit!
"Buy once, cry once" is an over-used phrase FOR A REASON... because too many of us *haven't* heeded that advice, learned the hard way, and are trying to keep others from making the same mistake.
100%. I’ve heard that for as long as I can remember. Always find myself thinking I can get away with a cheaper tool. Or cheaper accessory. Then I’m disappointed and it sits on the shelf.
I have saved and splurged on good gear. Can’t think of any that has been a disappointment
Buy a militia... don't buy a gun
Pinching pennies is the most expensive thing you'll ever do.
Not entirely true if you’re buying the same part from the oem at the same specs and qc
Thank you for this
@@chuckfinley3152For a big company it is, because the risk of lacking quality is higher than the reward for mass production of garbage. Long term sustainability vs short term profit.
"QUIT HAVING FUN !"
"over pay for names because I lack the capacity to distinguish scams"
My dad always told me "never buy the first generation/iteration of anything". He was talking to me about my first car, but I've been in the gun industry and tech industry and i can say it definitely applies everywhere
Gen 1 4runner for the win.
You dump a mag faster than an auto sear would, and you turn around as the target falls. Can’t make this up, that’s a fucking scene from a movie that hasn’t been made yet.
That was beautiful
Your kinda stating the obvious. expensive = good quality and cheap = bad quality. Any gear is better than no gear imo
Jesus man. It's you! You're the problem!
HEY GUYS, I FOUND THE GUY
If the gear you have fails when it counts, that’s worse than having no gear and therefore not having attempted the thing you needed the gear for. Climbing rope that breaks is worse than no rope and not climbing
I would rather have a colt or S&W revolver and a bandolier of ammo than a piece of gear that is going to fail me. You might as well just carry around rocks
@@PocketSandShackleford 550 cord is cheap.....
@@Sharp-Survivallol yes but is like 1/8th as strong
I met John Willis from OSOE and got to shoot with him, Jeremy Horton and a couple other guys on the Tactical Response range like 15 years ago. He’s exactly in real life the way he is in his videos and how he makes his gear. No bullshit ever, period. He’s a solid guy and I’m proud to support him. You CAN NOT go wrong with anything John makes. OSOE bomb proof gear made in the motherfucking USA
Back in the day, they traded Ipod shuffles for gear. I sent them a basic ass used Ipod shuffle and they gave me some sweet gear in return. John is a stand up guy and takes super good care of his employees.
Im gonna keep rocking cheap stuff because I've been let down by every expensive thing i own when my cheap version outlives it. Tools is where i do that mostly though, gun stuff i dont cheap out too hard on but just about everything else i do since snapon and duralast have the same warranty but i can go to autozone instead of hunting down the snapon guy across and entire county
Wait till he finds out the DD rifles aren't the original AR. 😬
But in all seriousness, I agree, you should buy quality gear.
That steel target was a paid actor lmfao 😂😂😂
Hey, what camera do you use? I like cameras, but like my guns, my cameras are either expensive but old, or cheap and common lol
Bros got the Wes Anderson camera
Ooooomfg Lord Overton, you fuckin killed me with the Tremors bit 😂
Please read this in the context that I’m saying it in. Most people run their stuff so little that a PSA is the standard they need to accommodate their amount of shooting. Same with optics and everything else. Carry pistols do not apply here
Kel-tec still makes my favorite modern pistol caliber carbine lol
I just bought my first ar15 (Geissele Super Duty Mod 1). Is an eotech exps2 the right way to go? Need help badly.
They work well but if you don't like changing batteries a lot go with a aimpoint t2 or something of the likes
@OvertonWindex I’ve never really cared too much for top notch things till I started following you and made me realize all I did was use excuses. I love my PSA Dagger, and Ive been lucky to recently purchase a new Glock 19X MOS TB, literally reserved it thanks to one of your videos on a shadow systems “accuracy” defect that the PSA shares. And yes, my dagger is good, but damn, my Glock is great, but my CZ is güder. Thanks dude. I’ll skimp out of junk food before I skimp out on quality weapons.
Fence thing could’ve been about people burying old goodies under a certain fence post? Kind of remember my English teacher saying something similar, no clue.
Daggers are good enough (as long as you check it), it's a beater that's normally 200-300 depending on the sale. They also got good customer support. I ended up buying extra frames, one came with a dead trigger. no big deal, a replacement OEM glock trigger is like 20 bucks which I would have likely opted for anyways. I haven't gotten around to ordering a glock armorer's kit, probably could have fixed the trigger myself. However my original dagger works just perfect. It's the first g un I ever ordered, second I ever bought. I recently immigrated from California to America, with everything I own subject to paperwork redtape. The Dagger ended up working better than the broken sig I wasted money on from a pawnshop (ended up trading it back to them at their sister store for a different sig). Psa also covered that gap until I bought a M&P and a couple of Brand Name Glocks. Good deals on factory Glocks not chambered in 40 is hard to come buy. the newest one I picked up is 40 but came with a 9 and 357sig set of conversion barrels for the price of a new one at academy.
Agreed. My first dagger is coming up on 5k rounds and had like 3 malfunctions when I first bought it.
Now, my second one was a bit more finicky, but PSA sent me a new extractor and it'll be coming up on 1k soon without further hiccups.
Their Freedom Rifle line is also really great for the money. I got my wife one so she could get into shooting and come to the range with me. Aside from the normal break-in pains and the tooling marks on the inside, I dare say it would give any rifle 3 or 4 times its cost a serious run for its money.
@@reyvynnightveil1706 my only regret was buying in the first place. Should have gotten a ride to academy. Get a regular Glock and then wait for the dagger to go on sale
@dart336 I have a couple Glocks, so I'm not going to say they aren't solid tools, especially at the price point.
Tbh, I have some bias against Glock for one reason: the first one I owned was a Gen 1 G19 when I was in the Army. It was a total piece of junk. Sloppy tolerances, picky with ammo it would feed or extract, and just inaccurate compared to the M92 I had been using. Its ONLY saving grace was reliability, when I fed it ammo it liked. To top it off, I sent it back to Glock multiple times, just to have them send it right back and tell me it was fine... so, I got rid of it and got a sweet deal on a new Colt 1911. Best trade-up ever. After a little break in period, it was solid, reliable, accurate, and slimmer, so easier to carry in a drop leg holster.
Hi Overton, really hoping you see this as I took your advice. I went in and got sold on a Trijicon RMR, and it has the tech in it that requires no batteries and they don't make them anymore. I ended up buying it because you have claimed over and over the RMR is SO GOOD. My only concern is that they sold me on a yellow dot because it was the last one in stock and again you can't buy them anymore. Am I going to hate the yellow dot (this is my very first dot sight and I've worked hard to save the money for the real thing). Should I return the sight because it's yellow and is solar powered?
The hilarious things about this guy are 1. new (good) gun tubers dont come along often, 2. Hes very disagreeable and not immediately likeable, 3. Hes just a great rifleman and generally intelligent dude thats fascinating to watch.
Buddy, you asleep over there? I can't find your affiliate link to neither CV-Life nor That Optics company ya mentioned.... I wanna get some crap over here to support your channel. You are never gonna make it missing opportunities like this. Com'eon Man
I carry a hellcat pro which I do consider Springfield a reliable company but I understand people’s other options. I love a dagger or a Taurus judge/some of there striker fired stuff for a truck gun or just a cheap most likely reliable handgun. Will keep carry it for self defense? No, same reason I won’t a shadow systems. But if I ever needed it for whatever reason I’m confident enough. Truck guns more or less tho
Spot on! and good luck on some company saying the pucked up!
The mortuary music in the background 😂🎶💀
Lol between this and yelling at clouds, describes my 3 years of owning a sig p250
So as a poor that does have 1 set of nice things, or is saving for a single nice thing I can see your point but I do offer a slight counter argument. I think when people are first getting into the 2A community I think it’s perfectly reasonable and acceptable to buy a less expensive item that’s still of reasonable quality (PSA, Tacticon, Ruger, etc) just so they can start getting familiar with the weapons and maybe are able to get a whole loadout that they can over time replace with nicer things. Saving a bit of money and putting that to ammo and training I think is a really nice way for people to learn what they like and don’t like.
For instance getting a PSA AR is 500 bucks on the norm and outfitting it with maybe a streamlight weapon light for 100 bucks, and throwing a Sig RDS on there for 80 gets them 80% of the way there. They have a foundation and as they go on they will eventually outrun their gear. But say you decide you don’t like the RDS and instead you wanna try an ACOG, well 1500 bucks for a sight might be hard to swallow if you don’t know if you’ll like them, sooo you try a PA prism to get an idea for 250. Find out that you really like that and now you have a goal to save for. Same with the PSA AR, you may decide that you love an AR but you aren’t getting the accuracy you want out of it, well now you can save for a DD and get that extra bit out of it.
The point I’m making is I think getting someone set up and trained is better in the end for the individual then having them buy “the best” out the gate because they may not know what they are looking for just yet, but through training and practice they will learn.
Glocks, CZ, and m&p are all so cheap, though. Why go cheaper?
Ruger cheap? really? Lol!
@@88Mobius sorry do you prefer inexpensive? You can get their ARs for under 750 often
@@johnchristopher3032 CZP10c yes are super inexpensive and are great but I rarely if ever find a new Glock for under 600. Again though sometimes it’s ok to get something inexpensive right now that will work then have nothing for a lot longer.
@@FirearmsAndFitness I just would not consider $800 to $900 AR cheap. I consider $650 to $500 as cheap. For pistols I would say anything below the $450 to be cheap. I would also like to know where you can find these $750 Ruger's and M&P-15's.
Learned this lesson harshly with a radical firearms ar. Never again.
many of us have more than one gun. I have a solid reliable setup that is primo, but I really like playing with the diy stuff. 80% arms, 80% lowers. its a hobby. I take crap in my comments all the time, but I have a go to, this other gen 3 glock stuff is for fun! Why cant a guy have fun with a BCA upper in an oddball caliber? why can a guy build a gucci glock with an unrealistic trigger and blinggy parts?
You can for sure. The problem creeps in, when things are represented as what they are not.
Same. I have built my fair share of 80% stuff. But once I get it working well they just sit in my safe. And since It’s illegal to sell them or even give them to a family member, they will stay in the safe till a SHTF type thing makes them valuable or I die and they get passed on in my trust
It's the deception that needs to be called out. Have fun ,but don't lie about things that might get people hurt.
@@OvertonWindex you mean to tell me my extended slide release doesnt add +3 accuracy? shit...
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If you train with what you have, you will find out what holds up…
I got my Glock 45, 2 years ago for 880€, a factory new Glock here in Europe has a Msrp of around 800 - 1100$ and I still would never cheap out to buy a Dagger. Really appreciate you doing this Video.
The “cheap shit” (whether it be actual garbage or not) does provide one valuable service that nobody can argue: competition. The “good stuff” all come from government contractors, companies that are already extremely stagnant and just ride on their previous successes. They sell ancient tech that admittedly works but has long since been surpassed or, at the very least, is extremely overpriced for what it is. Trijicon, Surefire, etc are all extremely guilty of this. If anything pressures them to actually do something other than just count their money, I’m all for it.
The story about the fence, that's a frequently brought up argument called "Chesterton's Fence", originally by a guy named Chesterton, interesting read, you should look it up.
So true!! I'm not buying any brand new product again. I bought a S&W M&P 10mm last year. I can't get through more than a few rounds without a failure to feed. I've tried about a dozen different ammo types and I've polished everything and it still has failures every few rounds. I need to trade it in for a Glock or send it back to S&W. I'm really glad I waited about 3 years until I picked up a SIG P365. Mine has been perfect but everyone had issues when they first came out.
Ingenuity, it's damn near gone sir
There is so much just plain junk out there… some guys never figure it out
I remember the flood of benelli M4 clones awhile back when the patent expired. I'm not a real fan of these semi auto combat shotguns. 1800 is pretty steep for a reliable shotgun. So 600 for "basically the same" is attractive to a lot of people. Not sure what metal was used to make it but to each their own. Goofing on the range with my 590 retrograde with the bayonet is much cheaper.
Many of the Turkish Benelli clones aren't great. I wouldn't rely on them for defending your life.
@rickrebouche354 100 percent agree. Why I invested in a 590 retrograde over those clones. However I'm liking my AP5 very much. Those were made on actual HK tooling.
My biggest complaint is when I trusted Daniel Defense making a new pistol. I got a $1300 H9 that only worked with 124 gr ammo and still shot 4-6 inches low at 15 yards. Love their rifles, but didn't sign up to do R&D for them. That was to be my carry gun.
You should step into a machine shop one day.
besides every thursday, and bout 40% of my adult life 6 hours a day?
Isn't a t2 still like 800 bucks?
I think that’s why I watch this guy. He reminds me of Ricky from trailer park boys 😂 the smart version
As a brand strategist, everything we do is to garantee a decision of purchase. As soon as I learned how stacked the deck is against you I got out of the industry.
Ultimately, you have to be hyper skeptical about anything you are looking to buy. DD included.
Could one look at the psa dagger, not as a knock off, but just a cheaper option, by a company trying to create more gun owners and growing the 2A community? I mean, I don't own a dagger but are they that bad?
I know honest outlaw has had issues with his, I prefer Walters and Walther clones personally.
I love how angry he is 😂
I am?
Very good points. I would say dont fall into the lazy trap of price equals quality, even though most of the time it does. Theres been a few exceptions. Like the dude who torture tests pistol optics (cant remember his name now) for 20k rounds. Even he has been surprised a few times and has changed his tune on some stuff. But if ge was continually testing he wouldnt know that now. Hed just be running trijicon RMRs forever
Right on! My OG Colts, Glocks, Smiths & Sigs are the best. Never an issue.
@@volkskrieg8735 Agree. An older generation 226.
Bet this guy’s fun at parties.
Didn’t Glock start out as a budget alternate to HK?
In total agreement with "buy once cry once" and buy quality kit the first time. Just an aside, you got that "Tourettes Trigger" working out well.
Why don't you use shooting glasses and how come you don't run back up irons?
thoughts on Noveske ? lol
"Bad Batch" is like FN's company motto. Bad batch of strikers on the 509's... bad batch of screws for scar receivers....bad batch of plastic for the og ugg boots....
PSA ar-15 and dagger were the first two guns I bought. I like the AR, although admittedly I can’t shoot it as much as I used to with current ammo prices. The dagger though not so much. It’s much better to just pay the extra money and get a Glock 19, especially if you plan on carrying it.
Where are you buying ammo from? 9mm and other common rounds are as low as they've been in the last 15ish years
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@@ninjastiz9046 I’m talking about 556 and 223, yes 9mm is cheap rn. I said I don’t shoot my AR as much.
@@billymays5542 223 is pretty cheap as well. I dunno man, be less poor?
@@ninjastiz9046 brother I’m in college and work part time. Being not poor isn’t much of an option rn 😂. Btw $11-13 a box of 20 isn’t very cheap. When I first got into this like a year ago I was able to get 556 for 8 or 9 a box. If you know a good website that doesn’t charge crazy shipping prices lmk.
I half agree with this sentiment. I generally do just buy brand name in general but sometimes depending on the use I'll get something cheap. Sometimes you wanna get a cheap gun just to have fun at the range with. I'd get a dagger but for cc I'd rather go with a glock because of its reliability. I bought a Tisas night stalker because I don't have 2 grand to spend on a "real" 2011 and its just a fun range toy its not my home or edc gun.
Chesterton's Fence: it's a parable about practicality if you will. Don't change or get rid of something until you understand why it's there, or still being used. Looked at from a statistical viewpoint: 97.8% of every new idea or way to accomplish a task is crap and won't work. 2.1% might work, & 0.1% will be an improvement over the old way. Yes those are standard deviation values; & most likely really bleeding edge innovations like new therapeutic drugs or high tech are probably even 4 or 5 Sigma values to get something new that is useful. Glocks are ugly to me & I don't care for them esthetically. The damn things shoot reliably though. In the end, I'd own a Chauchat pattern rifle if it worked better than anything else.
Lol I have a Glock 17 and a PSA dagger. Never a problem with either. My sig 320 on the other hand has been sent back twice
MP Smith & Wesson has better stipling than Glock.
No, it does not.
@@OvertonWindex yes it absolutely does :)
Wrong, peak grip is gen three finger grooves. If you need sandpaper then you aren't gripping hard enough.
Lol, I just like how it feels.
Also, what if mud? Or insert crazy situation to prove my point.
Also, Smith and Wesson looks better all day long. You cannot possibly argue otherwise
And skateboard tape is $1.
Didn’t recognize you without the gloves
SHOT is madness, but I enjoy it because it's one of only a few times a year I get to see good friends and people of like minds.
Holosun and Olight comes to mind lol. But I have to admit, Holosun had stayed dedicated on their products. Now ypu see bunch Olights lately. Bought 2 olight, I will never purchase again after fails.
Yeaaaa about DD. Spent 2k and first rifle ive ever sent back for warranty. Got it back and shit was still malfunctioning. My buddy bought the same DD you have and nothing but issues. Not sure why its so hyped. Anybody can look on forums with a ton of people having issues. Seems to be just guntubers loving DD or people to ashamed to admit their $1800 DD is Mid at best
Hmmm... So it's the people who shoot the most, on the planet, who like DD?
and it's the reddit fatties who don't?
Got it.
I had a DD Barrel with a Gas Port at a 45 degree offse and a damn second one with a Barrel Extension I could spin off with my fingers. My point is anything man makes can and will fuck up. I am not going to trash DD for it, I just won't ever own one again, I will stick with my SR15's, I have also been doing this shit for a minute so I might have seen more than the average Bear.
I bought a Geissele Super Duty over a year ago and it's been absolutely flawless. My friend has a DD that he loves.
@@volkskrieg8735 At least a few thousand rounds. He has had it for about 5 years. I would have to ask him, he might have a lot more rounds down range. I have about 1,000 rounds through my Geissele Super Duty with zero issues. The trigger is also amazing.
I returned my DD rifle 4 times and then demanded a full refund when it wasn't fixed, it started key holling at 1800 rounds. BRAVO CO all the way
We need a bad batch sticker set. Asap
WTF that is the most amazing trigger finger in the world.
Okay, I completely submit my ear to thee, thou art now teacher.
Except for Glocks, I will never buy a glock 🤣
Glocks work the best out of all brands.
G42 "bad batch",went through three changes,then they felt safe enough to step it up,G43...which led to Generation Five
Blackhawk. I still have my optimized buttpack. Isnt that a collectors item now ?
One has to learn to understand and you have to understand to apply technique.
juggernaut lower, grendel hunter upper. No problems at 10k rounds
Lower price tag = lower barrier to entry. Most of the folks buying the cheaper stuff aren’t interested in making firearms their full-time hobby, they’re just looking for a way to defend their home or try something new without breaking the bank. People in the industry are so weird about this for some reason lol. Don’t like the cheaper stuff? Then don’t buy it.
The point of this is I just had a buddy send me a link to a $30 gas mask... It's your life and some people don't know any better they just think they are getting a deal... You can buy a $30 gas mask I just don't recommend relying on it. Or I suggest you don't rely on it. The $5000 rifle with a $50 shooter vs the just as good argument will never end.
Nothing will NEVER fail.
NEVER buy a helmet from HikePros. Found that out the hard way, even a $40 steel helmet withstood 22lr and Hikepros "level IV" (first mistake) Helmer had 22lr and 9mm blow straight through it. Luckily that was 4 years ago ad I've quickly wised up
This is a lesson I continue to see all my friands and family fail to learn regardless of what field it's in. I'd say I was smart and learned it very early on in life, but truth is it takes a special kind of dumb to not see the logic behind it before you make the mistake at all.
Friends buying budget computer GPUs because nobody wants to spend 1.5 grand on an actual high end product, then 8 months later they're stuck fiddling with settings trying to get their games to run. Parents won't pay 5 bucks more per month to double their internet bandwidth, despite their current internet being so slow and oversaturated that we can't voice chat without the call dropping every couple minutes. Everybody choosing the cheap aftermarket car part because it's a couple bucks cheaper than OEM, and then wondering why their tires are wearing out 3x faster than they should.
If there's something in your everyday life you think you want or need, it's worth it to do it right the first time round. If you can rationalize cheap knockoffs instead, then you need to question how much you really want or need that thing.
I hear your argument. But between everything more expensive and unforseen expense, sometimes it's either cheap or nothing at all. Sometimes I wonder if nothing at all is the better choice and just take it as it comes. Maybe meeting your Maker is a better than this " have money, suffer longer" life.
“Brooo have the tried the pumadefensesystems 389bravo-hornet? It looks reeeeeeeal promising bro. It’s chambered in 5.7.”
…says the guy that held a Glonk once, and read a 30 year old magazine article about the Hollywood bank. (He can’t afford 500rds of 9 ball let alone 5.7.)
Is it too much to ask for something that’s good quality, reliable, possibly new, and isn’t going to break the bank
Same as movies. Same. Same. Society has no intuitiveness left. A.i. is here boys. Improving daily.
coming from the automotive world, I've noticed that almost every firearm part that been machined would be 2nds or wouldnt pass QC. the machining is so bad.
I feel like he's holding back.......
Yep.
This 100%. This needs to be said more.
Keep it simple man! Each to their own! You don´t have to use cheap stuff you get what you want and if it works for you fine! Don´t sweat others problems!
I see nothing wrong with affordable entry level firearms at all. Not everyone who wants to exercise their 2nd amendment right has $2k to put up for a DD, but they can afford a PSA AR for $300. I don’t see nothing wrong with gun manufacturers pumping out affordable weapons to the civilian population. I’ve seen guys on forums buy a dagger and upgrade it with Glock quality parts and still come out cheaper than buying a new Glock.
why does this guy look just a bit like a blonde Ricky from trailer park boys?
I loved Tremors what a fun movie.
what brand aluminum magazines are you running
"I'm not rich enough to afford cheap shit...."
No to mention that the Government is doing everything in its power to prevent Americans from obtaining any firearms, ammunitions and equipment.
Not all of us can afford a $20 bic lighter
But then you go out and buy $2 bic lighters 14 times, costing you more in the long run and giving you a subpar experience the entire way there.
@@noscopesallowed8128 I was specifically talking about the overton windex branded bic lighter he sells. Which is just a $2 bic lighter with a decal.
people are an unrealistic expectation of durability. Most people barely have money to go shooting much less work their gear that hard. If you can afford the best gear by all means yes its better. But for the average working man good enough is sometimes good enough. We aren't jumping out of helicopters into the ocean and storming a beach (unless you are) . Even decently made gear can stand up to 99% of the things the average person can put it through. CZcamsrs always assuming everyone gets paid to shoot like them and is using their gear every single day. Id rather have more people having decent gear NOW being ready for the fight NOW than having some dudes with gear 2 years from now because they get overcharged for some chest rig they probably wont ever use.
Easy solution: Stop buying it! No one is forcing you to buy anything. Buy the old originals and stop whining.
consoooooooooom the hydra mount
You mean my old Aimpoint is still better than the new 200 dollar Chinese hotness. Who would of guessed. And when I say old I mean old.
I bought a silencer today pls roast me
Mom said go outside to rant,? 😸
Cheap guns are just toys guys
Unsubscribe podcast brother!
The fuck is that?
@@OvertonWindex a nice trip to Texas is what it is!
@@OvertonWindex dude they seem like badass humans. I would love to hear you banter with those dudes.
@@sirmossman3600I’m very curious of your physiognomy.
I got an MCX Spear LT, and mines great after I torqued all the screws to spec haha. Why dont you buy from geissele like their full rifles theyre better than DD. Even come with more gives less of a headache waiting for parts to come in
Shot Show is definitely a cluster fuck but it's worth going. And if you went I would try to find a way back in the industry so I could go 😂
98% of people just shoot for fun, so spending 3k on a rifle set up they may shoot 6 times a year is just pointless for most people so cheap guns fill a massive need especially considering most people can’t afford the set ups you showed
But with that said everyone should have one solid dependable rifle and pistol after that buy as many cheap pos you want and have fun