Sonic 3 & Knuckles is Flawless
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2022
- [EPISODE 4] Our full Sonic Origins playthrough comes to a close with Sonic 3 & Knuckles... and man, what a game it still is. Also, the entire soundtrack sounded a little off to me and I didn't know only a handful of tracks were replaced - not all. Subscribe here! bit.ly/sub2choc
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So, the entire soundtrack sounded off to me for me to learn that only like 3 tracks were replaced… 😅
Lol
Actually, it was 7 (if you count both acts of Carnival Night, Ice Cap, and Launch Base). The competition select screen was also originally a Michael Jackson composition, but in Origins they resurrected the November 1993 prototype track to replace it. I actually like that one better, so I'm not upset at all. It's too bad about the other tracks though. Carnival Night has terrible sound quality, Ice Cap sounds good but isn't the same without the original track and Launch Base sounds super squeaky and does not fit the zone at all. What a bummer.
@@theeverythingchannel_yt oh
I can understand why you thought all the tracks were replaced. The audio quality for those songs is highly compressed and muffled.
Hey, I just wanted to say that rock in angle island can be past by knuckles.
Seeing him collect each blue sphere individually actually gave me anxiety.
I was shaking in my chair
@@ZzArle I ate mine in confusion
@@DarkWidget nani?
@@ZzArle my chair
I was thinking about that 😂 KKKKKK
I have never seen someone do so many blue spheres games while not doing the ring strategy that was actually impressive
High key that shit infuriated me ngl
I swear it stresses me out every time he doesn’t go for the rings
It hurts seeing someone not even think about it.
@@bruhchainz8404 Same here. That hurt my soul.
GOD THE PAIN
You gotta love that Eggman's description of Sonic and Tails is probably the nightmares Nintendo had after Sonic 2 came out.
You’re probably right…
nice
Then Nintendo blew them outta the park by releasing the N64 and giving birth to Super Mario 64
Probably
@@bishoppeterson9080 sonic adventure 1:
2:25
to get through that wall you need a very specific power up
you need to play as knuckles
Da best power up
you need to play as Knuckles Mania And Knuckles Plus Knuckles
@@pacifistichuman82649Knuckles edition
The blue spheres segment had me mentally screaming.
2:15 He actually sounds like Sonic yelling at Tails.
😂😂😂
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Choc not knowing that if you just go around the outside of the blue spheres that they change into rings after all this time makes me laugh 😂
Its the content that I’ve been subscribed for! Keep it up Choc
It hurt when he was saying that he loved the collect the spheres then proceeded to not get one ring in the blue spheres stage.
I came here to see if anyone else would say this, it almost hurts me to watch him do it that way lol.
You're still awesome Choctopus, even though you are doing the blue spheres in a weird way lol.
@@TheHiddencrusader that's exactly why i came here. This hurt my soul watching 😂😂😂
Still beats the stages though. So, forgetful but skillful.
@@Kiwi-fl8te hes really good at playing these games wrong /joking
Would've been kinda neat if the final cutscene in Origins was Eggman finding out about Chaos and thus setting up Sonic Adventure 1.
we know they didn't do it because of Sonic Generations.
@@Eldoofus ?
@@theirishpotato6588 he means that, SEGA didn't make a cutscene for Eggman discovering about CHAOS because in Sonic Generations, Modern Sonic is the one who faces CHAOS, not CLASSIC.
CS timeline: STH, SCD, STH2, S3&K GENERATIONS MANIA, FORCES
MS timeline: SA, SA2, heroes, shadow, 06, secret rings, unleashed, black knight, colours, generations, lost world, forces, frontiers
26:09 HOLY SHIT
Bro for YEARS of playing this game, I NEVER knew how to get to that SP Ring, and this man literally does it first try.
Absolutely flabbergasted.
I had always just assumed that it was like part of a Knuckles section or something.
Well to be fair you need Tails to carry you to that Giant Ring so if you’re playing Sonic alone you probably can’t get there unless you have Hyper Sonic probably which at that point they just give you 50 rings for Hyper
You need Tails to get there
@🧸𝕹𝖎𝖐𝖔𝖘𝖎𝖒🧸 Yeah you still need Tails for that
Choc, I gotta tell ya there’s a secret to the blue spheres! Only touch the outline/perimeter of blue orbs in any given grouping, and they’ll all turn into rings. It’s faster and easier :)
It’s not a secret. I knew that before I even ever played SM or S3&K
Watching him do the first one "Oh, he messed up, hate when that happens and you have to get all of them." Watching him do the second one 😱
@@JuliRocket No duh. Knowing a secret doesn’t make it a secret anymore.
@@purplepikmin3533 ITS NOT A SECRET! YOU NEED TO USE IT TO WIN SOME OF THE LEVELS!
@@JuliRocket I'm just saying. A secret isn't a secret if you know its a secret.
Choc, listen to the prototype soundtrack to see how we were STILL robbed when it comes to these replaced tracks. All the tracks sound much better when from the actual Genesis/Mega Drive, rather than through Origins' filtered music system.
Also, Sonic & Knuckles' already-existing replacement tracks were used when possible for between-game jingles, like the mini-boss theme, Knuckles' theme, and the invincibility theme. The 1-up jingle and the title screen theme were kept as Sonic 3's, however.
EDIT: Oh, and the Bonus Stage you go to is based on how many Rings you have when you pass the checkpoint.
The different sound isn't a result of filtering, but the prototype they were taken from. The November 1993 prototype uses later versions of the tracks. Only the Super Sonic theme was newly created for Origins.
Didn’t know about the checkpoint thing. Cool to know!
@@harrybest2041 The prototype Super Sonic was LEAGUES better than... this... thing...
0:55 never knew you could get all the chaos emeralds in green hill zone in sonic 2 despite it not being in the game!
Yuji Naka confirmed on Twitter regarding the soundtrack that the replaced music tracks (Launch Base, Ice Cap, Carnival Night, and Act 1 Boss) were done by Michael Jackson. The verdict on why they were changed is still out, though; prevailing theories are that Jackson was unsatisfied with the Genesis sound chip's ability to reproduce the music, or that the legal issues surrounding Jackson in the mid 90s caused Sega to terminate the partnership (which may be why he remains uncredited even in releases featuring his music). The only change unrelated to Jackson regarding the music is Ice Cap, which was an at the time unreleased track by Sonic 3 composer Brad Buxer's band, The Jetzons, titled "Hard Times."
I though the legal issues wasn't to do with MJ himself but rather his agent Brad Buxter something?
The contributions by Buxer were just rearranged old songs from his band and old mj songs. Not very original work
So with the Blue Sphere, if you go around the outside perimeter of a group of spheres, the insides and all collected will turn into Rings. Watching you zigsag back and forth hurt my soul.
This is my favourite of the classics, had so much fun with this one, love how it looks, the soundtrack and gameplay, and bosses plus it had the best bound stages (apart from sonic manias bound stages) love the story too, being super sonic and hyper was cool. Happy I was able to beat and get the good ending first try, again thank goodness for the coins. Had a lot of fun playing and beating all these classics. 💙
Same here
That goal post juggling situation is genuinely one i encountered, me and a friend who was playing as tails were just juggling endlessly to the point where the other friend had to make us fail for it to end, it was going on for a WHILE though
I love the "Cutscenes" in this game, they're just so Expressive and Describe what's happening in such a Good way.
A few comments:
1) In the Special Stages, collecting every single ring will give a 50,000 point bonus (essentially a free extra life) and collecting 50 earns a Continue.
2) As far as Hyper Sonic vs Super Sonic, Hyper Sonic has that Hyper Flash that clears the screen and also acts as a directional double jump, but he can also breathe underwater.
3) For the Giant Rings, while all of the Sonic 3 zones have at least one Giant Ring, only the Sonic and Knuckles zones up to and including Lava Reef contain them. So for you to get your 7th Super Emerald in Lava Reef 2 was very lucky, as if you passed without getting it, you'd be screwed.
4) Would you be willing to play the missions? I've heard that they are really fun.
Choc: Don't take it AWAAAAAAY
Also Choc: *stays hugging the front of the missile launcher*
2:24 Not sure anyone mentioned this already here, but you can break through these rocks only with Knuckles. Some levels have these Knuckles-exclusive paths.
Knuckles also has a seperate story taking place after Sonic's. By skipping Knuckles' story, you're skipping the ending of the game.
@@harrybest2041 Yes! It is definitely worth playing Knuckles' story as well to get the full experience!
When you don’t walk around the perimeter of the spheres to turn em into rings
Play as Knuckles, you can break open those locked routes as the echidna
Now we need the Knuckles route of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. As Knuckles has his own story.
This is my favorite 2-D Sonic game. Such a masterpiece 😫
Congrats on completing the Sonic Genesis trilogy! This was a childhood favorite of mine! Probably one of (if not) the best Sonic game in the series, IMO. I think Sega was forced to split the game in half as they couldn't fit the entire game on one cartridge at the time. You have to admit, the lock-on technology was pretty novel back in the 90s.
Finally been playing the classic sonics through the genesis collection on PS3. The origins remasters seem pretty good though. I hope it gets a physical release later like mania did
Same here!
I'm getting an aneurysm the way he's getting the blue spheres.
Same
As a kid, I knew of the emeralds, but I never knew what they did. Even in sonic 3 where he was super, I didn’t know how it happened
Hyper Sonic can also breath underwater, eliminating Sonic’s #1 known weakness! 😊👍😎💖
It's Not Really Eliminated, Considering He Has to Have A Form In Order To Do It
@@CADH0G True. What I meant is when he is in his Hyper Form, the fear of drowning is eliminated! 😊💖
@@georgeshaw4017 ah
Idk if I should be mad or impressed he went through the special stages without turning the spheres into rings
Maybe both
Definitely both.
No just mad
I didn't know that man. I never even got the Emeralds because I hated getting all the blue spheres.
Hey Choctopus, you should play through the Knuckles story of this game. There aren't any scripted cutscenes as it isn't included in the main story for some reason, but it brings the story of Angel Island to a close and is definitely worth a shot for the added challenge!
Would have been so cool is knuckles got new cutscenes
@@henryapplebottom7231 when I played through the Knuckles story I was quite disappointed about there being no new cutscenes. Whether the devs forgot about it or they decided to make it non-canon, some cutscenes would have still been nice
@amog
Agreed.
This really brought back memories of sitting on the school bus playing this and getting frustrated because I couldn’t beat the act 3 boss.
How did you get a Sega Genesis working on a school bus?
Sega Nomad?
Nintendo DS?
@@bazinger1142 Nintendo ds
Honestly thinking of buying origins just for 3 and Knuckles, I played it on my aunt's DS when I was a wee little child, had a lotta fun.
I'd recommend sonic 3 air for better graphics,controls,og music and mods
I have played a lot of Origins and I really recomend it, they added a lot of little details and big quality of life features the Origins Sonic 3 remaster really is the most fun I ever had with Sonic 3
I had the classics collection on my DS as well. Small world.
1:44
Given the heat wave here, your not wrong.
I love Sonic 3 and Knuckles! I played the original 3 on my DS like 12 years ago and 3 was always my favorite. I played it way more than the other 2. I did 3 by itself, then Knuckles, then played the 2 combined, then played through 3 as Knuckles, then Knuckles as Knuckles, and then the full thing as Knuckles! Good times.
Glad to hear you enjoying these games Choc. I just hope for you it's not Sonic Boom's turn anytime soon.
This was definitely the 2D Sonic game I played most as a child. Only ever got Hyper Knuckles 1 (one) time, but he still comes to me in my dreams
Could you do Knuckles' story in Sonic 3 & Knuckles next since takes different routes, fights harder bosses, and has a completely different final boss?
The way Choc does blue sphere stresses me out so much, he's just adding MORE red spheres instead of turning the to rings.
Lets appreaciate that choctopus has his time to make videos from every sonic game
Marble garden zone was definitely my least favorite zone in Sonic 3 and Knuckles
I swear this is like, the most perfect Sonic game.
Every other Sonic game's peak runs circles around this game, but those peaks don't stick around as long or as consistently as the ones in Sonic 3 do.
I think this game still has alot they can learn from to this day.
Every time you dont go around the outside of the blue sphere squares to make them into rings, Robotnik sends a nude photo to a random email address.
Choc playing my favorite games from my childhood AND making SpongeBob references is the definition of peak content.
The fact that there were so many more amazing games before I was around makes me sad that I wasn't.
Why be sad? The games are there, and if you aren't against emulation, it's never been easier to play them.
12:27
Legitimately I was upset for the longest time that when I played Sonic 3 on the sonic mega collection for the gamecube. I was stuck on that barrel trying to figure out how the hell I was able to get through to the next level when I was younger…
to go trough the rock wall in angel island zone you need to use knuckles
That save at 4:12 was magnificent.
Still relatively new to your channel but man am I glad I found your content! It's amazing my dude
This is awesome! Just got back from school to see this!
WATCHING THE WAY YOU GOT EVERY SINGLE ORB ON THE FIRST SPECIAL STAGE WITHOUT MAKING THEM INTO RINGS GOT ME SO INFURIATED, good video
18:28 Ooh! I know! It’s 16 retries, Mr. Choc!
Damn right it is.
2:10
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks of gushers when I see the emeralds.
can tell you've put hours into this game the way you handled the red and white special stage 🔝🔝🔝
I have never been more triggered by anything else in my entire life than I was watching Choc play the special stages without turning the orbs into rings. He figured it out halfway through the S3 stages... and then forgot again at the start of the S&K stages! I thought I was about to get a second anxiety disorder.
No, you weren't "triggered", you were just upset. Which is understandable, but please use the right word next time.
@@bedekuuu 1st day on the internet?
@@ultlifeform I suffer from actual triggers, so I find the memeing of that term very upsetting. Don't shoot me with that remark if you're _choosing_ to be a piece of shit lol
Ikr everytime a especial stage appears in this video I die a little inside
@@bedekuuu lol I award you 1(one) Hero point for your courageous action.
Also, wierd thing to gatekeep but hey.
Choc zig-zagging for each individual blue sphere is something that both impresses and tortures me.
10:31 You managed to get wedged between a wall and the spike weapon, which the game counted as being "crushed," which is one of the three ways Super Sonic can be killed (drowning, bottomless pit, and crushing).
Fun fact!
If you touch the top layer of blue spheres in a 4x4, they'll all turn into rings.
It's very useful for chaos/super emerald speedruns :)
A tip for Super/Hyper Sonic:
Press the jump button twice to do a dash mid-air.
It's useful for gaining instant speed.
Watching Choc play the Blue Sphere stages painfully hurt my soul.
Him not doing the strat to get rings in the bonus stages hurts me so badly
i think it's funny that the placebo effect makes him think angel island is slightly different, because he read about SOME of the tracks being changed, with angel island being one of the ones that DOESN'T have a different song XD
Fun fact: ever special stage floor pattern has colors for ever stage in sonic 3 in order expect for the 5th one since that one has colors from flying battery since flying battery was actually going to be the 5th stage in sonic 3 but got moved over to sonic & knuckles
The video we have been waiting for.
The way he collects blue spheres triggers my fight-or-flight. Just circle them for Pete's sake!
Let's go! Totally worth the wait.
29:15 I love this moment because it both implies eggman survived his machine exploding, submerging him in lava. And that sonic was going to release a bunch of woodland critters into pure lava
6:20
“knock knock, its knuckles”
The ability to be yourself and do what you want to while still being successful on CZcams is a skill that not many possess.
27:21 Did i get a sugar rush? Because i feel HYPER!
If any of you are wondering why the big arm boss changes the sky color, it’s because they are still driving up into space, which means that they are basically close to the outer space
The fact he sounded exactly like Sa1 sonic when he shouted "Tails!" at 2:15
33:42 all this time I could've ducked instead of timed jumping
I Think SEGA Should've Added Emerald Rush, So Like Boss Rush But You Speedrun All The Chaos & Super Emerlads
Another amazing vid! :)
Hey choc. As someone who thinks sonic is cool and has barely played any sonic games and knows nothing about them, your videos have been a blast to watch and you looked like you were great at the games.
ice cap zone, launch base zone, hydrocity zone, and mushroom hill zone are my favorite zones. I love sky sanctuary. It doesn’t seem as hard as i thought it was going to be
0:50 In the bonus stage you can turn blue balls into rings by tracing the outline of the blue balls around a group. That's how you get a perfect.
Hi Choctopus I love this and I hope you have a good day
i really like how they aded elements to a platformer game usualy you would expect to only encounter elements in rpgs and never in platformers
Seeing you getting *ALL* the blue spheres in an unusual fashion instesd of going in circles so you can efficiently get them faster and get rings just triggers my childlike self
Ive never felt so anxious watching another play a game in my life lol.
"You didnt know i was kinda nice like that" OH MY FUCKIN LORD
Sandopolus Act 2 got me Like:First the lights will flicker on and off(haha Spongebob refrence)
20:46 I've watched enough iteachvader CZcams Poops to know that Robotnik actually loves mice.
Glad to know I wasn’t the only one who fell for that whole escaping the super emerald area
my soul hurts after seeing you do the blue sphere stages and im not even a sonic fan
You can collect the outside rings in the special stage, saving yourself a lot of time
The blue spheres outlining a cluster will turn the rest into rings
23:59 Sandopolis Be Liek:
In 2:19 you need to be knuckles to break that brick wall in order to take another path
Good video Choctopus I enjoyed your sonic origins video and I lokng forward to your sonic frontiers video Love you connect ❤️
2:15 he sounded exactly like Ryan Drummond there.
“Tails?!”
The path at 2:24 requires knuckles to break through and you get to knuckles' own area, im pretty sure
You did the blue spheres wrong but good job on getting so many in a row.
If you see a box of blue spheres and you get the outside layer of spheres, the spheres in the middle will turn into rings.
Sorry, just saw you turn them into rings. Great video!
In the Special Stages, if you only collect the outside blue spheres when there is at least a row of three of them, they will all turn into rings. This makes the stages significantly easier and lets you get more coins/lives.
8:55 oh my God he finally turned it into rings
12:38 Ngl that also happened to me and I was there for a solid 30 minutes trying to get down
The stone path on the second stage of the first zone that you were trying to go through is for knuckles
This game is so much more modern than the first 3, it’s crazy
Yeah I agree, this game's a masterpiece.
Also *HYPER SONIC THEME STARTS PLAYING*