Has PC Gaming Become Too Expensive for Consumers?
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2023
- With the rise in prices for new graphics cards, and with modern games pushing the limits of older hardware, it makes it seem like at a first glance you’ll need quite an expensive gaming PC to be able to attain playable performance. With the recent release of Nvidia’s RTX 4070, they are now trying to establish the mid-range price as $600 which is quite insane when you think about it. $600 would get you the top tier graphics card that enthusiasts would by while mainstream gamers would opt for cards in that $150-$300 segment. However, I do more of a deeper dive on this subject to find out just how much money one can expect to pay for a gaming rig in 2023 that will handle modern gaming at acceptable settings most consumers are actually using along with the types of games that are popular.
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If the current pricing trend continues most people will simply be unable to afford new or even used parts. Every generation the price for gpu’s increases by another hundred bucks. 600 bucks used to be high end now it’s considered mid range? Crazy.
Well we have had some unusually high inflation, so adjusted for that, the price of 4070 is only like $25 more than the 3070. So I think I can look the other way on that, although performance leaves something to be desired.
But prices on the higher end cards are definitely not inflation, just greed. Also I'm tired of nvidia skimping on the vram. Apparantly the 4050 is going to have 6gb, less than 3050. I know its not official yet but if true... just wow.
@@jessefisher1809 the thing is, we arent even being sold a 4070 at that price its a glorified 4060, and justifying a x60 class card at $600 because thats what it actually is, is alot harder to do
@@hcaps3129 W/e, there is no defintion of what these names mean, these companies just pull them out of their ass. Is it because the shader count didn't increase? Or because performance is only 30% higher? Or the die size? I mean I think it was justified calling the 4080 12GB a 70 class card, because we had something to compare to, the 16GB 4080. In this case, we don't have any 60 series cards of this architecture to compare to, and the 4070 ti is on the same die as the 4070 so is it a 60 series card too? I mean the whole 'this isn't 70 series its 60 series' seems kind of pedantic to me.
Not to defend nvidia. Its clear they are getting greedy, and need some competition.
But there are a couple truths to keep in mind, silicon prices have gone up, volume discounts have gone away (from tsmc anyway), and transistors are getting harder and harder to shrink. We can't always expect the same level of advancements we had in the past. There are physical and fiscal limitations here. I'm not saying the 4070 couldn't have been better, it definitely should have had 16GB... just a couple things to keep in mind.
It's nice that the market responded by not buying the RTX 4070. So Nvidia is deciding to drop prices. It's so little though 50 dollars price drop. Here's hoping the market won't bite it and won't buy at that price. It needs to be around 400 USD to make sense.
@@conyo985 Well there's no official MSRP drop, the aibs are just getting $50 rebates on chips, no doubt the fact they were told $750 MSRP up until the last minute ( and maybe even EVGA's exit) has something to do with it. They might pass that onto you, or they might not.
But you're right, if people don't buy the 4070s, the price is eventually going to have to come down.
I recently got back into gaming and wanted to build a new system. Damn was I shocked how much prices have increased.
When did you leave buddy?
@@furynotes prior to gtx500 series. It’s been a long time
@@jamesg7456 damn.. i returned to pc gaming once the gtx 600 series came out. I was gone since the voodoo days lol
@@slickrickwillyjames I wanted a voodoo card so bad back in the day.
@@jamesg7456 I had a voodoo 3 card. I installed it on a Dell pre-built pc. Pentium2 if I recall. Got into DIY scene in 2008. Been in the hobby ever since.
A lot of the most popular games on pc being the low demand one isn't because everyone is just clamouring to play those games usually. Its because it's what people can play without selling a kidney. Honestly, when a console can run the new games and can cost less than a single pc component, it's a no brainer at this point. Most people still have an older pc they can play the old stuff on and do the usual pc stuff with just fine anyway.
Precisely this.
You buy a console and for the next 8-10 years you don't have to worry about whether a new game coming out on it will or won't run. You build a PC anywhere near that price and, well, you probably won't be playing 'new' tiles for 1-2 years, let alone 8-10. So, most people are waiting longer and longer periods to upgrade because the cost continues to rise and because they aren't upgrading they are sticking to older games because those work great at reasonable settings.
@@KaoruSugimura factor in most games are usually a sequel, people already know what to expect, games can only be recycled so much at this point
@@KaoruSugimura Yeah or one could also use cloud gaming options. Not just consoles. Unless you are a competitive esport type of guy.Where even the smallest mili seconds does count. And you play for several hours a day. But if you are just like us others who is treating it like its netflix no need to throw away 500-800 dollars out of the window on those. Kinda speaking from experience too. Because i see alot of people on FB marketplace not just older pcs but also somehow those with newer specs they did buy it for 1000 dollars some months later find out they dont have time or desire to game. So thats why cloud gaming solutions are cheaper both short term and long term run.
The point is not about getting dirt cheap used GPUs to play old games. For people like me who had an enthusiast streak, PC gaming was very open in Late 2000s/early 2010s. Playing around with GPUs/CPUs, seeing the best visuals that PC gaming had to offer, all that has gone away, unless you can shell out 1000s of dollars for CPU/GPU/RAM. I suppose only power supplies have not followed this trend, but there is virtually no innovation there.
PCs alone are expensive as hell.
Give me money bro pls
That's why I play on console. 4K 60 with a huge oled is all I need.
The only thing I hate about consoles is spending $60-80 dollars a year for multiplayer access subscriptions.
@WantBadtime There's always single player and used games. Those are Damm cheap
@@WantBadtimeI’d argue it still beats spending several hundred every few years for a new GPU
@@WantBadtime Not all games these days require game pass or ps plus some of them like warzone fortnite i cant remember the other ones but there are some free 2 play ones that dont require subscription
@Gigachad-hb7ji Yeah. I enjoy single player games. It's a W for single player gamers. No need for online requirement if the game is playable offline
You got it wrong: Its not like players choose to play 1080p, they have to play that resolution because you pay much more for better stuff. Cost per frame is usualy cheaper on weaker hardware. Most people dont have 5k$ laying around to buy computer. If you give them infinite money you will get 4090 card in every build ...
PC gaming is overrated especially hardware. I have a 1080 TI and I can play any game I want at 1440p. It's all about marketing and sucking dummies dry
@@mikeyoung7211Yeah, but Are you playing at low settings?
@@holographicSquid I have a Ryzen 3200g with a GTX 1660super (equal to a 1070 in performance) I wanted to play games like Hogwarts Legacy, God of War, CP2077, Elden Ring and wanted to upgrade my PC to play these games on high settings.
Spent 2 months researching and finalizing the new, motherboard and GPU and realised I will have to empty my savings to get those.
Dropped the whole plan and just got HG, God of war and Elden Ring. To my surprise, I am running all of them in 1080p at high settings without any issues. 😂😂 That's when I understood, there are no demanding games, just poorly optimised games. Just because the new 3060 ti is twice as good my old GPU doesn't mean the game will run 2x better. They run the same. It's all just a FOMO created by marketing and we all tend to fall for it.
@@holographicSquidP.S If those games hadn't run well, I would have quit PC gaming and switched to a console. After a year or two I will have to upgrade my rig, and if the prices are still crazy, I will have no hesitation to quit PC gaming or gaming altogether. Been gaming on PC since 2001.
@ishaanmurarka9082 anyway not everyone uses their computers for only one thing.
Paying 2k for a 4090 and then reducing the settings. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
exactly, the list of top 20 played PC games might be different if some games could be played with decent FPS
You have a lot of solid points, but the fact of the matter is if you have a modern HIGH END gpu. You should NOT HAVE to turn ANY settings down. Tuning settings is important I do it on my 3080ti just to squeeze more frames out and save temps because my card has an air cooler and not liquid but when someone buys a halo product, they expect to be able to turn the dial to 10 and laugh at things. Thats the reason those products exist. TLOU is a perfect example of a game that sure, looks good BUT BETTER IS OUT THERE AND RUNS BETTER TOO. And Yes, modern PC gaming IS too expensive for most consumers. Yes, you CAN buy used but good luck with that. Odds are unless you know who you're buying from you just bought a poorly treated and burned out mining gpu that won't last much longer. PC is still plenty possible but $600 for midrange being called "acceptable" is a complete joke.
Imagine owning a 4090 rig and still have to turn some settings down...
@@tomthomas3499 it means that next gen gpus just aren't there yet.
Everyone wamts the best of the best but optimisation can only go so far.
We're very close to if not already in the era where ray tracing, path tracing, high-quality textures, and ~90 FPS are what are considered the "basics" when it comes to modern gaming. Yeah, I do feel some consumer FOMO anxiety knowing that I still game on a GTX card from 2019 because I can't afford the latest RTX card, but at the same time I'm not an Nvidia or AMD SoyBoy who basically acts as a guinea pig for the latest AI frame bots and reflection technology. The way I see it, the richer PC gamers who can afford a 4090 will be the schmucks who help improve the RT technology so it can eventually become cheaper as RT becomes the norm in gaming, and I will be riding out the storm and wake up at a later date to see the $1600 RTX 4090 be on sale for $500 because it's "obsolete" in the eyes of Nvidia.
I have the impression that many people who own RTX cards don't even use ray tracing, anyway.
About 3 weeks ago, "Dawid Does Tech Stuff" bought the cheapest set of components he could find on a certain behemoth store. His total was $357 (without a monitor). I was flabbergasted that his gaming performance was darn near acceptable.
*Dawid buys cheap disposable crap for cheap likes
@@-opus kek, 11 subscribers.
@@gregdaweson4657 he aint wrong though
Yea but it can't play next generation games, only 10 year old games like GTA V at 1080p60fps LOW SETTINGS for $350.
That's a terrible value with the xbox series X that can do 1440p30fps for $500, But you're locked into microsoft if you buy an xbox. Digital games will be the future on console with zero physical release, whereas PC you can burn your own PC games and use steam which is superior.
To even get to play starfield at 1080p60fps high settings costs $800 on PC to get a GPU strong enough.
The point is PC gaming is dead because most can't afford $1200 in PC parts PLUS a new monitor
I'm not surprised the ps5 is selling like hotcakes. The PC industry has dug its own grave.
The PS5 doesn't even come close to the performance and immersion like Desktop PCs
Bullshit, at the same price you got worse performance, and wors graphics with pc.
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@@cheerful_crop_circleps5 doesnt need upgrade and it costs as much as a last gen good gpu..
@cheerful_crop_circle It doesn't have the performance but it does have the convenience.
I've said this for a while now, once you forget about Ray Tracing and DLSS you can build a great system that will run the games majority of people actually play. There is a BUT to this though, once the 6000 series Radeon cards are gone new, people will be forced to buy newer more expensive cards unless your region has a good second hand market and you are willing to buy second hand parts.
If you're looking to buy now don't wait, pick up a 6700, 6700XT, 6750XT, 6800, 6800XT, 6900XT or 6950XT now while you can still find stock. Even when AMD release the 7800XT etc I highly doubt the prices will be much lower than Nvidia's cards.
I was blown away by how good the 6800XT I got for $600AUD second hand really is, runs everything I play at 1440p, awesome card for what I paid.
That is why I bought a 6800 December last year, the future is not looking bright and power usage is increasing. I still think there is a reasonable chance that the next AMD 7000 cards may be decent though... if they ever release them. New 6000 series cards are still overpriced considering they are a couple of years old.
@@-opus Especially in Canada. AMDs cards all seem to be on sale in the US. In Canada the 4070 is considerably cheaper than even the 6800xt, unless you buy refurbished. My 3070 was used and had overheating issues so I'm kind of hesistant to buy another used card.
@@jessefisher1809 Not something I would buy second hand personally, but I guess it depends on the price difference and a bit of luck. I am in Australia, it was cheaper for me to get my card from newegg in the US, there did not appear to be many of them around though at the time. I paid basically release msrp for a 2 year old card :/
You could look at repasting your 3070, I have never done it, but it is mentioned often on youtube, that and cleaning the fans may fix the heat issues.
@@-opus Oh I repasted that motherfucker like 10 times, and changed all the pads. And it always helped, temporarily. But slowly the temps would creep up again, especially the hotspot temps which could, after extended periods of gametime, reach up to 25 degrees higher than the average. I started to wonder if the screws were slowly coming loose or something. A combination of an undervolt plus a more aggressive fan curve made it manageable at least.
Anyway I don't have that card anymore. I bought a 4070, not proud of it, would have rathered an amd card, but like I said the prices in my area just did not make sense.
@@-opus I could go to my local computer store and buy a 4070 for $809 CAD, which is about $600 US. From that same store a 6800 xt was $1300 CAD, not even kidding. I could go to newegg where I could get one for $860. Which is okay I guess, but wtf in the US they are selling for $50 CHEAPER than the 4070. I could buy internationally I guess but import and shipping fees likely would have eaten up any savings.
It only starting to become concerning once you consider future proofing..
No need to constantly upgrade if you stick to 1440p.
I had one of the first 4k panels back in 2014 and it was a constant struggle, Back then you even needed SLI to get decent frame rates in some titles and that's if it worked at all with SLI.
A few years later I switched back to 1440p high refresh and it's so much easier to stay ahead in fps, The visuals going from 1440p to 4k isn't that much better, But if you are on 1080p it is a huge difference going to 1440p from 1080p.
Spend more on a top end monitor rather than a top end gpu, In the end that is what you are seeing regardless of what is in your pc case and you won't need to update your monitor for several years.
This.
Had a 32" 4k panel, sold it, and bought the AW3423dwf.
The resolution difference is barely noticeable, but what is, OMG the colors, and the contrast. The Alienware is a far better gaming experience than the gigabyte 4k panel I replaced.
Nearly identical experience.
Had to postpone most of my 4k gaming when SLI went away.
It was pretty incredible to be at the forefront, but the cost benefit required to 'keep up' just isn't there right now.
I am curious since you have a team red build. What does the team blue build look like at the same price? ARC GPU and Intel CPU.
I’m a pc gamer and love playing games on pc..
However, you have got to admit - the price of a graphics card alone is crazy, even at RRP. You could basically buy a PS5 or series X for the price of a midrange GPU, that would last you longer than having to upgrade your PC every few years, especially how nvidia are locking features like dlss 3.0 to newer 40 series cards.
$600 gpu for only 2k gaming
I’m attempting to build a super budget all new PC. I realised that cyber punk is too boring of a game to demand that much resources and my budget pc will play most games to my taste in a resolution I haven’t been privileged enough to have yet in my life. Gaming at 1080p is going to be new to me and I don’t have a 4k monitor anyway lol. I used to think PC building was too expensive for me and I never bothered with consoles, it’s only until recently that my 9 year old laptop started struggling that I had to seriously look into this stuff. Only to discover that even the highest end hardware doesn’t give you much of an edge in some titles and for what I will be doing and the very selec titles I want to play, my pc doesn’t need to be anything more than budget right now. What’s nice to see is that is even though it will be budget for 2023, it will still be very good for what it is . Which was nice to see. I guess missing out all these years was a good thing because today, even budget components are very good for what they can do.
Heck, with that 5600G build, just go with the integrated graphics for a month or two, and see where GPU prices go. If you can live with low res gaming for a few weeks/months, you can keep searching for a local used GPU deal, or a well priced "Deal of the Day".
my i5 6500 + gtx 1060 3gb + 8gb ram was $680
my ryzen 5 3600 + rx 5500xt 4gb + 16gb ram is $690
and currently building a ryzen 7 5700g + used 6700xt + 32gb ram and totaling around $1100
the pc market has become too expensive, an i5 or a ryzen 5 was supposed to be $200 but its now $300 (probably another inflation excuse), most people spend less now and just spend their money on food
I spent 1300 euros for a pc with ddr5, ryzen 7600 and an already outdated rx6800, with 1300 euros I could only afford a mid range that will last me maybe 3-4 years at most ( if I compromise quality and lower the settings obviously ) ?
If you are new gamer trying to get good price to performance, then a mixture of used and new parts definitely helps. My past three gpus have been used and has saved me hundreds of dollars over the years. Those cards are still running like the same day I bought them and allowed me to jump in and enjoy games. There are a ton of options if you shop around and take your time making a balanced system
Only stupid guys buying used parts
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Just a note about the Deepcool CC560 - the fans are not ARGB. Instead they are stuck on a static light blue colour and cannot be turned off.
IMO you are underspending on the GPU compared to CPU or you should go 12100f with RX 6700.
The 6700 xt is perfect for a good gaming pc. People are so caught up in the latest and greatest. Im still rocking a gtx1080 with a Ryzen 3600 and buying games 2-3 years after they release for 15-25 bucks . People need to slow down and just enjoy playing the game stop watching tech youtubers showing off the high end free shit they get and how great it is !
The GTX 1080 stands the test of time, the AMD 6xxx you’re right does the job, unfortunately the price point is still above what it should be. A console capable of playing 4k at 30-60 FPS for the price point of a current GPU will hold a lot of people back from upgrading or moving to PC gaming all together
Buying a graphics card at a price between $100 to $250 for the community of players from third world countries is probably a family disaster whose impact may last for a year. You do not know that the monthly salary in those countries may not exceed $150, even though they are the overwhelming majority. From the number of players around the world and they are the ones who keep the game servers full in order to find who to play with or to kill
old consoles do exist you know this right? Of course pc gaming isn't feasible for people in third world countries no one ever said that, it's obvious and even console gaming isn't very feasible either. These people are not the majority of gamers forget gaming, necessities aren't very feasible for these people. I'm not sure why we should bring these people/talk about them in the discussion it's obvious. They are not who this video is targeted to and theres not much to add to discussion. "people from a group that can't afford pc gaming can't afford pc gaming" This is why we aren't talking about them this video is relative to 1st and 2nd world countries as that is average 3rd world is below average and just because they exist doesn't change the fact that pc gaming is affordable for the majority of people. $100 to $250 gpus are very cheap and affordable the existence of third world countries doesn't change that. they aren't "pc consumers" in the first place which the title of the video is about can pc consumers afford pc gaming, people from 3rd world countries are not pc consumers therefore aren't counted or relevant to the video title/discussion.
Thank God that the life and death are not in your hand, and if it were so, than our death would have been on your hands long time ago, you fanatical, there is nothing left that you did not say except to tell us that we shouldn't even eat food.
@@mrmertah5412 I do agree that my reply could be shorter but I didn't say anything about wanting you to not eat or that you shouldn't do anything or that you should die. You clearly didn't read what I said or misunderstood and that's fine. I essentially said just because certain things aren't affordable for certain people doesn't mean that thing gains the label of "unaffordable". Absolutes and subjective, affordability is subjective but we can say that for the majority of people that buy gpus 100-250 for a gpu is objectively cheap in reality. That is all. We can talk about people that can't afford gpus but I don't think it's necessary when talking about averages to constantly say one group can't get a thing. For example let's say "bikes are cheap for most people" do we need to bring up those that can't afford it it's self explanatory within the statement that is already said. When we ask is gaming affordable to consumers the group we are talking about are people that commonly buy graphics cards which is the majority of 1st and 2nd world countries. As you said it is not likely that people from third world countries would buy a gpu the people that are being talked about in this video is not them. Suffice to say you can disagree with me or say what I am talking about doesn't matter.
It depends. There are cheaper parts in the PC DIY space. The only problem is don't expect it to play the latest titles in 4K. The 6600 XT is one such affordable component. Just don't expect it to play at 4K. Also in CPUs you don't need the latest CPUs. Ryzen 5000 series and Intel 12th gen is still good.
consoles gives you so much better price to performance it's not even close.
I don't get this "what people are actually playing"
maybe if hardware and games were not so expensive people will actually play more than f2p games that can run on a toaster?
I basically have the same gaming pc you recommend and it costs 2.5X times a xbox/ps5 where I live.
such a fantastic time to get into pc gaming just pay 1k and you get the privilege of playing new games on 1080p low settings
or old games on 1080p high(mostly) settings!!
just don't worry about new stuff let's all play minecraft!
I would not skip the cooler on ryzen 5600 as you said. With PBO it gets blazing hot with wraith cooler
I did just my first build and that is on the AM4 system. You really do not need AM5 since the 5900X I got just now is plenty for an system which is barely coolable by air. Actually at 70 Celsius the Ryzen 5900X clocks down on Cinebench to about 3.7 Ghz speed since the heat pipe dedicated cooler can not cool it down below 70 degrees Celsius (my temp limit in the Bios). So the usability of this processor is about only between 3.7 Ghz to 4.6 Ghz for short bursts on most cores simultaneously if you do not want to go liquid cooling. So what use is an Ryzen 7950X if you want to cool it with air? So the 5900X and 5950X are the last CPU's which can reasonably be cooled by air. Whats the point of AMD 7000 series?
AM4 will do everything you ask for. Be aware however that according to Afterburner many games use already 12 cores on gaming like the game HnG which is still playable with my GT 1030. On my other system with the 5700G I have the RX 6600 installed which runs perfectly Enlisted at 180 fps on medium and 100 fps on ultra high.
I highly recommend a few things: 1) Do a CZcams search for Undervolting and Overclocking Ryzen CPU's, like using PBO (precision boost overdrive) and Curve Optimizer. WIthout doing so, I would have gotten rid of a 5800x long ago but now runs great. 2) Ryzen master RAM calculator/overclocking. 3) Decent dual tower air coolers can be gotten for cheap now such as Deepcool AK620 or Thermalright Peerless Assassin. Combined with undervolting/overclocking, these work great for a couple setups I have.
@@Rushtallica I do not mess with any curves. The only curves I adjust in the Bios are the case fans and CPU cooler curves. For silent mode. I took my PSU apart and changed there the 120mm 2 pin fan for an case 120mm 3 pin fan and connected it (cable pass through the PSU grid) to the motherboards liquid cooler header. Like that I can control the PSU fan as well through the Bios. I use the MSi B450-A Max Pro mobo. I put PBO on advanced and scalar on 1x since in the Bios 5 of MSi you can only adjust max thermal throttle of CPU temp in the PBO setting. The CPU is limited to 70 degrees Celsius. I use the Gamemax Gamma 500 CPU tower cooler. It takes as well 120mm fans and I put there on an Cooler Master Silencio PF 120mm PWM fan for CPU cooler. Works fine. This PC is completely silent. No audible PSU fan anymore and my 120mm fan I put in the PSU and connected it to the water fan header to the Motherboard runs at 900 rpm up to 1070 rpm. It blows more air than the original PSU fan did and the air which is comming out of the PSU is not hot at all. I do not mess to much with the CPU's settings but only limit its max temp, do a bit PBO and I believe I have undervolted it to 0.1 Volt or something. At least I had it undervolted but I am not sure if the undervolting is still set since I pressed decline when entering the one PBO sections since the MSi Bios 5 has 2 separate sections for PBO or Overclocking. One seems to cancel the other out. The Ryzen 5900X system now draws with these settings around 100 Watts (a bit less) on normal tasks), on gaming up to 150 Watts and running Cinebench it draws around 200 Watts - the whole system according to my UPS screen. I think it works now in the optimal way.
Find a 100$ ddr4 6th core CPU + 90$ Rx 580 china edition and you are ok for 1080p low~medium and can upgrade GPU latter
The ridiculous pricing for new PC components is not that big of an issue as long as mid-range components are fairly affordable; the real elephant in the room is how disgustingly unoptimized 90 percent of PC games coming out are nowadays👎🏼 Let's be honest, most PC gamers are still stuck with something like 6 or 7th gen core i5 or i7 paired with GTX 1060 or RTX 2060, and you just can't play any newer AAA games at 60 or even 30FPS with that setup. To make the matters worse, most games are pay to win or pay to play nowadays🤮
Most tech channels are stuck revolving around the latest high-end PC components. Very few of them seem have the insight to understand that this is a very niche part of the market. Maybe because they're trying to stay on the good side of hardware manufacturers?
Conjecture aside, what CZcams needs more of is tech channels that look what different types of gamers that are out there and cater to their interests. Sure, the latest and the greatest is interesting for 5 minutes, but then you've heard and seen it all. It's as if every tech channel assumes there's nothing interesting about putting together a midrange or low budget PC - much less the software that goes into it.
That being said, I'm glad this channel brings up interesting topics. There's also a few other tech channels that focus on small formfactor PCs and handhelds. Even though I don't use that hardware myself, I often find them more entertaining to watch than someone talking about Nvidia's latest breadbox-shaped graphics card.
@@marvinmallette6795 It would be interesting to see what builds a tech channel would come up with specific game types in mind, instead of gearing towards the usual latest AAA FPS games.
For example, pick the 20 most popular indie games on Steam, remove the 3 most hardware demanding outliers and see what kind of systems would be able to run them at ~90fps. This would mean you'd be looking at entirely different hardware, not only in terms of PC components, but also peripherals, because you don't really need a 300Hz screen or 40Khz polling rate on your mouse to play these games.
Since Steam Deck Certification is becoming something of a standard to measure against these days, it would be interesting to see various PC build equivalents, both regular and small formfactor.
It would be cool to see some more inventive and realistic build targets beyond the trite 'Cyberpunk at max', or the 'Minecraft and Fortnite PC'.
It's honestly what I thought of originally but blew my budget. Although I found myself utilizing it more so in the end I'm happy. I'll be happier with a budget build to do for my little brother
In my country it is realy expensive especialy in actual economical situation. However hardware here was very expensive before + dolar and euro are actualy 50% less expensive than before, so its not as big difference with expeption of gpus, the rest is actualy cheaper. i just finished completely new build after many years i have brand new pc. 7800x3d, 2tb am.2 ssd, 7900xtx, 670e mobo, 32gb ddr5 + case, cooling and power supply.... cost = 2200usd, which is now worth of 46 000 CZK, 15 years ago high-end rig was worth of 42 000+-czk, but back in time, this was worth only 1200usd, which is pretty different scenario in therm of value,gpus are realy ridiculously overpriced, but value of USD is ridiculously low today. It is what it is sadly. Its just not very valueable anymore, same as Euro or GB , these all just dropped into the shit lake. I am kinda sorry to say that , but thats what happend. From foreign point of view. Many of you losed the value of their coin itself, behind the borders .
Tbh, steamdeck kinda offsets all of it, an affordable handheld that can play all of your steam backlog locally without some bs cloud streaming, like, what?! That thing can run elden ring, why would you need any more hardware than that.
I recently bought a used RX 6700 XT for about $220 (MYR 900), and I was able to play hogwarts legacy high-ultra with fsr 2.1 quality at 60-70 fps avg. It was such a smooth experience and I think every single dollar of my money was worth it for that card.
About the NVME drives: I paid about $170 for my 980 Pro 1TB about two years ago. The 2TB version now goes for $160, and I just recently picked up a P5 Plus 2TBthat’s almost as fast as the 980 Pro, and I only paid $120
A year from now when Battlemage hits from Intel. You think the GPU market will get shaken up for the under $1500 PC build crowd?
You have a solid $1000 build. I like that it can easily become a blacked out build. I am not into RGB
I want to upgrade from my 1070 but I want 70-level performance, price and power efficiency.
Bite and go for a 4070 or equivalent gpu. Unless your budget has to be under $300. Which the 1070 $379 at launch. With price variation.
@furynotes 4070 is a 60-level card named 4070. I'm rather disappointed by the bandwidth restrictions and relatively low VRAM.
I'll probably get it used just out of spite so I don't give money to Nvidia, lol.
@@furynotes I'd rather get a 6700 xt if that card weren't a giant power draw. Price is more important to me because I don't actually need that much power for 1080p gaming.
The minimum requirements (and what you get for them) for the game Immortals of Aveum, suggest that gaming is going to hell.
Also what i say. Btw. on the long-run can get cheaper. Consider that every Console game usually costs 10€ more because of licensing, if you buy the newest games. You also don't pay for online services. Steam is also a really great value where you can save a lot of money and get the games cheap if you wait some time. Not to forget that you don't lose all your games if you upgrade your hardware compared to buying a new next-gen console.
I think its less of "gamers are still happy with 1080p" and more of "gamers can't justify the ridiculous prices for a 1440p or 4k monitor." When 32" curved 1080p monitors sell for less than a 24" 4k flat panel monitor then its no wonder that the adoption rate is so low.
Buy console for 4K is extremely more cheaper than buying gaming pc
It really is crazy right now. I built a great ryzen 5 3600 + 5700 xt build at the end of 2019. Great middle ground there... Now to to build a great middle ground you need atleast 1.5 times the money if you want a gpu release this year.
Ye my pc was 1100 and has a rx 6800 and a i5 13600k and 32gb ddr4 and a tuf h670 motherboard and 1tb of SSD space. Ppl focus too much on latest games at highest settings on 4k, very few people care about playing that. None of the new games are fun anyway.
So when I got my first pc, a 486 DX 2 50 with 4 Mb RAM and a 1Mb Cirrus logic Vesa local buss card with a 15" monitor it cost me 5K.
This was from a guy I knew who had a small company.
I overpaid a little but I knew fuck all about pcs (I was going to do a programmer education in a few months) and I got support at 3 am if needed.
So yeah, 5K early nineties for a pc one step below the fastest, that 15" monitor was expensive too back then. lol
I made an upgrade from rx 580 to rtx 2080.... The rtx 2080 I got it from a friend of mine for 100 $, he bought a 4070 ti. Im on a am4 platform whit a ryzen 2600 and in near future I will upgrade it to ryzen 5700x or who knows ryzen 5800x3d. But for now I'm good with this part's... I'm playing WoT, Battlefield 1 and from time to time apex legends. Peace!
Desktop PC/laptop (except monitor) cost about $500-600 to build or buy. It is good for office work or home or internet browsing or youtube. But to run games, you should invest additional $400-500 for GPU. It become too expansive and unaffordable.
I got lucky finding a r7 7700/am5 mobo/ram combo at my local fb marketplace for $500..sold my old system and use it to buy a used 6900xt.. enjoying every minute of gaming experience..
In a way it could almost be going to a golden age. Not quite but maybe a bronze or silver. For example, I’d recently purchased a ryzen 7 5700g for about $150, my board failed but I grabbed a b450 board for about 80 bucks. So 230 for both, 16gb ddr4 should be at about 40 bucks. So 280. Toss in a psu for 60 on the lower end for a thermaltake 600-700 watt and a 50 dollar case. Ssds are cheap.
I priced a similar system with a ryzen 5 3600 and rx 6600 for around 522 earlier if I were to build from microcenter. But a pc like that you could probably get a better psu, 5800x3d and then whatever gpu you want.
You could go higher but it gives an idea what is there.
I mean I’m new to pc gaming I but for me it’s only super expensive depending on what you want I’m fine with 1080p 100+ fps over 1440p I can find that $600, & then there’s the used market I’m planning to follow a $1000 build managed it down to $800 with used parts
That's almost exactly what I did. I'm so grateful for 1080p 100fps+. I'll just keep this and never upgrade. Just replace parts when they go bad.
That's still over a thousand dollars. For a lot of people that's not feasible.
That building in my country cost 1200 euros that is xbox x and ps5 together...no tnx
PC gaming as a hobby isn’t “too expensive”. There are many other hobbies with much higher costs that people partake in. The issue is that as a hobby only die-hard enthusiasts will partake at these high prices.
PC gaming was supposed to be available to almost anyone because of minimal entry costs. Now to enjoy the latest in the PC gaming community you have to pay exorbitant prices, which while people can afford, they aren’t willing to shell out that much to play games.
There are still great deals to be had on older hardware. The issue is that you then become locked into older games, essentially creating 2 PC gaming communities. For example if you want to play ray-traced games, it’s simply impossible unless you pay up. For enthusiasts this is nothing as they have the money and want to spend it. For normal people they won’t spend the money as their money can be put to other things that will bring as much or more enjoyment.
PC gaming no longer has the same allure as it once did due to price increases. Consoles are cheaper and can play the latest games, while affordable graphics cards cannot. It is now a premium enthusiast driven-hobby like cars for example.
The price of motherboards, gpu's and the AAA games has skyrocketed. Case closed.
Great video I think everyone needs to hear this
As a PC player for 6 years now, PC gaming is hit or miss on what game your wanting to play like he was saying. I would still recommend a console over PC if you just want a gaming machine. Even if you have all the best PC hardware, you can never get the performance and the price of a console. Devs make a lot of games for console first and then port it over to PC. Ray tracing is getting better but is not optimized for all the different specs in a gaming PC.
I think people should decide the GPU based on the games they want to play for next 2 years
My 3070 is still chugging along fine at 1440p 144hz for the games I play. Diablo IV looks like it could actually use more than 8gb with everything on high so I'll turn some stuff down. I'm actually kind of interested in the 4070 TI but not really for gaming, for video editing it would be a nice upgrade but I don't need it, at least not yet.
Newer games will also have problem with 12GB at 1440p
@@munteanucatalin9833 Don't care all that much about games like I said, I don't play that many and the ones I do usually aren't resource intensive.
I´ve already said, with my RX480 I´m just going to focus on older and less demanding games. Yesterday I´ve stumbled on the trailer of Dread Templar, gonna get that game which runs on potatos: a modern Doom style game in retro look seeming extremly fun. And as you said, optimize the settings: spend about 5 min to find the right settings in RDR2 for upscaled to 1440p Ultra textures high/ medium shadows no tree tessalation and get a flat frametime line with Rivatuner framecapping to 35fps. Game looks amazing and runs smoother than hot butter, oh only got an i5 7400, that´s why I´m upscaling to 1440p in RDR2, a tiny bit easier on the quadcore.
Upgraded from my 2500K/HD7950 rig to a 5950X (needed 16 core for rendering and Handbrake)/3060 Ti. I am good for another 10 years lol. Maybe gonna upgrade GPU sooner who knows, all I need is 60fps for single player and 120fps for multiplayer anyway. People selling 5950X are owners that waited for 7800X3D to come out so they are selling the whole platform usually. Crazy cheap time to build (even new ofc but used is the way, especially now).
I also have a 3060ti. It's a good card, though I wish it had more VRAM.
@@Rushtallica Yeah I can imagine... especially if you play new titles with some decent fps, preset and not just 1080p. For my oldies warcraft, civilization, diablo and all that it's plenty. Also already played both Plague Tales on it, 1440p/60fps no prob. I can see myself upgrading earlier this time and not after 10 years.
Well this analysis is eye opening, I didnt know HD is the most popular resolution and that gamers prefer another match in CS:GO rather than side quest in Cyberpunk 2077.
Bought a second hand A8 series based FM2+ outdated socket, because of limited budget and garbage pricing.
If it's overpriced in the US, just imagine how bad it is in Europe and other countries.
Well, most people like to play older games, that's a fact. Looking at Twitch at any time of the day and steam charts, it's like, 80% of people are playing competitive games that usually are not hardware demanding, or older games that runs fine on most hardware like GTA V or WoW. If you are a person who just plays cs:go or valorant or League, well, you won't ever need to upgrade your pc. Now, it baffles me that people still play these games, I got tired of them years ago, but some people just can't get enough of them. Well, I guess good for them, they don't have to worry about hardware prices or new games poor optmization and so on.
not expensive? jesus christ 😂
If a game isn't fun on medium settings then it's not going to be fun for long on high because you quickly get used to better visuals.
If anyone is wondering how I know this it's because I played quake at 640 x 480 and at no point while playing did I say 'PC technology just isn''t there yet'.
Gaming on an old 5930K with 2080Ti. In 1080p everything is perfect. Plus, the card fits in a slim PC case. What's not to love? If I were to go through local used sales, I'd be able to score a machine 2 generations higher for about $1K, if I needed an upgrade, and I don't feel like I do. Most games that I play max out on top settings. Why would I want more performance, if I don't even play Cyberpunk? Most games I'm into are all a decade old. The PC is perfectly fine for that. I have some machine that are 10 years old and can game just fine on DDR3 generation tech. Those can be purchased for absolute pennies and with core counts into stratosphere. Want a 32-thread Dell? I've seen their workstations for for $700. Just pair it up with a good videocard, and you're golden.
Gaming market is becoming unaffordable if you're aiming for high end. But for actual fun, you can get away with so much. Just check local listings for gaming pc's. There's likely hundreds of options.
SEA region here. Mid tier PC still cost about 1k usd, that is nowhere near cheap, except for Singaporean maybe?
yea i'm with everybody saying it's only expensive if you go high end, new, no secondhand. i understand the warranty & extra safety measures but at that point you can pay somebody else's rent with that rig.
entry level to midrange rigs based on used well-taken-care-of parts are easy to put together. just don't do what i did & over spend on the graphics card..
i remember when 1200 usd was top of the line now its not even the best in class gpu
My PC is around 12 years old and is running on a P5G41T-M/usb3 & Pentium R Dual Core. It become a major headache, as I was trying to find a graphics card for my new build. The suggestions and pricing for GPU cards are frikkin Crazyy!
All I wanted was to switch to AMD and run my PC smoothly, but there are so many things that have changed. I'll need to replace all the parts, and there are so many new terms and concepts that I never even knew existed.. It's tough to even research with all that stuff on top of the GPU. Once you finally settle on all the other components, the 1 GPU price just kills your whole budget. I wanted to play games like GTA 5, NfS, and FIFA without any bottlenecks/lags, and also future proof for GTA 6. But damn.
It's crazy how things changed..
Yeah. Its crazy even for a people who has a gtx build from 7-8 years ago for me. It is just tech has changed crazy esp during the pandemic. And the tech companies pushing the 4k 10k 18k thing to make constant revenue so there is that.
@@kvu236 Damn. I see. These companies are getting real money hungry. Soon, there will probably be like 40k/50k/100k in a few years from now. Lol 😅 with all the AM5 coming. Which Gpu are you using tho?
I had always bought the 80ti card series had the 980ti, the 1080ti. Was gonna skip the 20 series and buy 30, well 30 series wasnt gonna happen due to no stock. So wait till 40 series now and I'm priced out of the upper range of GPUs. What used to get me 80ti series now gets me 4070...
Yes...but I do want to play a modern AAA title and specifically held off on upgrading until RE4 came out. So why wouldn't we want to play it at its prettiest on our 4K display? For older games I already have several machines :(
People are so desparate for 4k 150fps max settings that they will spend thousands of dollars every few years to get it. I'm using a 7 year old budget build that cost $650 in total (the price they want you to pay for a fucking GRAPHICS CARD now) and it works good enough for me. It may not be able to run the overhyped AAA releases that always crash and burn, but I don't care. It can run most games at medium settings with 30fps, and if I need performance I can turn the shadows and post processing to minimum for 60fps.
If you consider hardware that is NOT newly released there are super good deals on old stock. Sure you might have to turn down 1 or 2 settings... but man 10th gen intel + 10 series/580 8gb + FSR = Boss 1080p gaming.
Immortals of Aveum is the first game that requires a dx 12.1 card what the rx 500 don't support.
Heck, if you're in a country with a good used market, you can find Vega 56 or 5700XT cards for dirt cheap
nah, old gpu's can't run new games well at all, I know from experience
@Jacob Old Nvidia cards sure, but AMD cards do surprisingly well. Just look at how the Vega 56 is doing against the 1080 in newer titles.
@@Jacob-hl6sn yeah modern consoles have finally caught up to PC in terms of FPS and fidelity. The fact I can buy a console that can run games at 60 fps @ 4k for $500 makes building a new PC a hard sale.
I am still stuck on an rx 580...I can't upgrade because everything is too expensive. So playing modern games on such an old GPU has become impossible. Cant even get 30 fps. I am in the 20's and lower. So yes, PC gaming has become too expensive. Sadly all I use is a PC I don't own any consoles. I have been a PC gamer for most of my life. I am extremely depressed at this point as gaming has been my relaxation but now I can't really do much because of my old RX 580 can barely handle modern games at a playable framerate
I am still using my 970sc. Plays every game no problem. (All older games too)
And that is only for the so privileged USA, in Europe for instance, the same figures but in euros, even the salaries there are much smaller.
Phenomenal. This video is just filled with a crap ton of mental gymnastics. Should partake in the special Olympics. I'd have to be insane to spend the kind of money graphics card manufacturers are asking for.
It is. I built my pc when cyberpunk released 2 years ago. I could run it maxed out in 4k with an rtx 3080 10gb and get decent frames. Now my gpu hiccups on brand new games even not at max settings. It's stupid. I'm not upgrading any time soon.. so they should get their shit together or I'll just play the ps5, which runs great mind you
The high end has become unreasonable with prices compared to the past.
just limit high end cards like 4090 at 1k max. in southeast asia, even consoles gaming are considered high end already. 4k streaming ? its still a dream here. most rich people will limit at 1080p and the rest at 720p. poor folks probably at 480p max. 4090 can buy u a high end motorbike here. its crazy.
How could you recommend a AM4 CPU. The AM4 platform is dead. There is no upgrade path. Don’t get a Ryzen 5000 series
Sadly that's the problem with budget pcs yes they are decently powerful but if you have to upgrade in like 2 years till you have to buy a mobo, ddr5 ram, and a new cpu easily around 400+ dollars you will have to shell out. I don't think there are any good budget pcs anymore. Games like Alan Wake 2 dropping support for gtx 1000 series cards because of mesh shaders like that is proof even if a card is still capable like a 1080 ti if its old the support can be bad or killed at any time. It's happening with SSD only games and it will happen with games requiring ddr5 ram soon to match current gen consoles loading capabilities. Everything is based on how current gen consoles run things sadly PC is an afterthought.
A complete 486 DX2-66Mhz cost about 6.000 USD in my country in 1994.
So, it's kind of a cycle.... With innovation comes increased cost.
Well said, completely agree. I hope more ppl see this
I just returned rtx 4080 super and plan to wait another year. Where we will have cheaper DDR5 motherboard and used 4000 series which already a beast in 1440p
there's a good cheap DDR5 motherboard ASRock A620 RS Pro WIFI mobo is great and supports up to 128GB memory 6000+ it costs $140CAD on NewEgg
As long as you avoid chasing the newest nvidia cards(going amd/Intel or older cards you'll be able to put together a great budget build). The Nvidia or bust mindset is what's throwing people's perception out of wack. I'd say it's actually starting to get as cheap as pre crypto boom(again with the caveats).
Pre-crypto, you could get decent affordable current-gen GPUs. Today, you have to look at 2-3 generations old used stuff because neither AMD or Nvidia makes affordable entry-level stuff. At least none worth buying.
@@teardowndan5364 Correct, but the market is now forcing the prices down towards normal sanity so soon (looks like this year), you will be able to afford current gen hardware.
@@jasonking1284 Highly unappealing current-gen hardware with everything getting branded and priced one tier up.
Since when was a $1000 a "budget build" - a budget build used to be $600. Medium was $1000 and $1500 + high end.
Now a high end build is $4000 cause the GPU cost $1600 alone.
I would argue, that content creation is the new economic driver of high end hardware. Not really games. I just built a 13900k with a 4090 to edit videos for our YT, IG, TT, FB channels. I can justify spending $3500 without batting an eye for a machine I do content creation on all day. Who needs to buy faster than a 3060 TI to game on? No one. But time is money and my 4090 cuts my rendering time in more than half, making it worth every penny to creators.
well the market dosnt seem to agree with you since games are now being developed toward consoles with horrible ports for pc.
I paid 530 for a retail 1080. I paid 900 for a scalper Ebay reseller 3070. Now buying a 6950xt for 679 from newegg. Get them while supplies last.
Raytracing,
Nvidia played this game with consumers years ago with PhysX, only Nvidia's high end hardware could use it well.
The Tech in processors has outpaced software making even old quadcore Haswell's still usable for very little money, no reason to buy the latest and greatest for most people.
The answer is Yes.. every singe thing in general is too expensive and everyone just tells us "Inflation bro".. but we haven't seen pur salaries inflate tho, so we pay inflated prices with salaries from 10 years ago. There is no excuse for that.
Can't even afford a budget one these days
I feel like people also need to curb their expectations as well. They buy these high refresh rate monitors expecting to game at their max FPS when even at 4K, 60fps is completely enough. I also don't think people realize they can just turn down some settings. Not everything needs to be at Ultra. High and even Medium is more than enough.
Even then a complete setup cost around 2k💀
You must be living in a dream world... i could build a PC pre covid at 800-900$ and it would be double if not higher performance then console offer.
In the last 3 years however its just a dream. Any worthwhile PC build will be close to 1.200-1.400$ to match or barely better then current gen. Console.
Its unfortunate, but mobo prices have skyrocketed for any decent option. GPU worth any salt that will last you at least 3 years are pretty much alone a price of a console.
Anything under 450-500$ isnt worth it.
So respectfully, i dont agree with most of your points on this video. PC Gaming is a major luxury and for majority of gamers - you're better of with modern PS5 or Series X option.
Thats just a reality we live in. I hope one day PC becomes affordable however the way things are going, i dont see it for very long time.
It is definitely not the best time ever. Even if you consider inflation, you got more for your money a couple years ago than you do now. Best time was 2016-2018 when you had the 1000 and 900 series to choose from and ryzen came on the market. Even used gpus cost now way more than they should, hardly ever drop below msrp now and playing Csgo on 1080p is not the benchmark I would consider to see pc gaming market at the best time ever. Bad video, weird opinion, don`t agree.