Magnus has played and lost to all types of players under all types of circumstances for DECADES. This would have happened before if it was just a case of Magnus being a drama queen. It doesn't help that Hans has cheated multiple times before (already highlighting his character) but that he cannot elaborate on his moves during interviews.
I mean there's truly no proof of Hans cheating. Magnus is being a drama queen. Why stir up all of this when you can come out and say what's the issue. He's the face of chess and has been for YEARS. Most of the elite GMs aren't saying anything because they don't want to be on his bad side.
@@non-blogger you get sued for defamation if you have no proof. It's that simple. That's why nobody is making a clear statement, cause nobody is dumb enough to open themselves up to get sued.
@@maidbe because in a healthy relationship you make fun of each other ( which absolutely is not the same as bullying someone, there's a fine line between loving mocking and toxicity )
It is a scandal. We finally have the answer to what happens when a scandal hits the nerd community. They react this way. Any other sport, this will be a scandal. It’s like Real Madrid playing for 2 minutes against Barca and forfeiting the game after losing the previous encounter due to referring errors. That’s scandalous
@@jb-zn7ke You are wrong. It is about dignity and respect for the game. Magnus can skip playing a cheater all he wants. Niemann obviously played along a chess computer... it is already been revealed and analysed.
@@engelbrecht777 hmm yeah the authority on cheating checked all of his over the board games since 2020 and hasnt seen anything suspicious. Dont really know which analyses your talking about
They left out the part where Magnus whooped him the following games after he lost the first time and how Hans didnt do so well after Mangnus left the tournament. Maybe that means nothing but it is significant to the story.
nah. the "beating someone once isn't revenge" has been there for a looong time. It's just something some dumb comments wrote and levy innocently believed it.
"Moves unheard of were used" what? So people can't try new tactics and moves without it being suspicious? Magnus lost, get over it. Nobody should use the same predictable moves over and over. Actually trying something odd and a bit out of the box will confuse them since its not as predictable.
Yeah, Gotham admitted that mistake on his next video, saying it was his (aka Gotham's) fault for not looking into it prior to repeating it on youtube. Pity on how hard it is to stop disinformation once it gets out there, even when it's an honest mistake.
IDK why Gotham is in compilation, he isn't good player and has nothing to say either some lies or useless stuff like "THIS IS REALLY REALLY BAD, REALLY BAD"
@@meowcat5596 "weak" is a matter of perspective. Against the top 5-10 in the world he's surely weak. Let's not fool anyne that an IM is anything but a very strong chess player
The last 2 levy clips you cut in a way to make it seem like he thinks Hans cheated. He actually said "it is fair to be suspicious if they're crushing it over the board... BUT this is not the way to go about it" And before "this is really bad", he was referring to Magnus not saying anything and just creating this drama
The "skill" disparity between his blitz and classical is also abnormal. Yes, everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses, but in Hans' case it's unusually different
@@liran547 Hard proof doesn't exist and will never exist short of a confession. Even if we catch him red handed later, it won't truly be hard proof that he did so in this particular instance. What we have here is circumstantial evidence and a lot of it. As far as I'm concerned, we will likely never have enough to say that he definitively cheated. However, I have seen enough circumstantial evidence to say that I'd be confident enough to bet of any size that he actually did cheat, not that such a thing could be executed practically. Here's a quick summary of what I'm aware of as far as this goes. From Magnus' perspective, I assume that he just got a feeling that the play was off. Seasoned players, especially top players can kind of tell when things aren't feeling quite right. This isn't proof but it is likely what he was going off of. As for some of the reasons why I believe it is very likely Hans Niemann cheated... 1. Hans Niemann has quite a few cases of his quality of play fluctuating greatly, in many cases for over the course of most or all of a tournament. The amount isn't normal though not convicting alone by any means. A person can have good and bad days. He's just having unusual amounts of extremely good days, plenty to raise suspicion. To my knowledge, these spikes started happening abruptly, not that he's a player with a history of just ok days and others where he's performing hundreds of points above his rating on the regular. 2. Hans Niemann has a history of cheating. This should put a huge red flag up for everyone, especially in combination with a few of the following points. 3. While I don't listen to every game analysis by any means, I have never heard anyone doing an analysis say that they don't need to show variations. The point of analysis is to analyze which Hans Niemann is refusing to do. This is highly abnormal but would make total sense if he didn't come up with the moves himself and thus is unable to actually provide said variations. Supposing he has the slightest sense of self awareness, we should be able to assume that if he was innocent, he'd be doing everything possible to show that he was such, especially with the history of admitting to cheating. He instead takes the most suspicious action. 4. Hans Niemann performs consistently poorly in faster time controls. A small matter but chalk it up on the list. 5. Hans Niemann is having these games while quickly playing deep into opening lines of openings he historically doesn't play. It is possible that he went and did some deep study while hiding the fact that he was doing so but this is again unusual. 6. It isn't just a matter of the top players saying "This guy is playing too well". There's also factors such as moves that are rather unusual for human thinking but standard for computers. This is more apparent over the board because someone who's cheating is just regurgitating moves. They aren't always aware of how long they should be pretending to think about a move because they didn't think of it themselves. So I think that if the others feel things are off, there's at least good reason to be suspicious. I find it difficult to imagine a scenario in which Hans Niemann is actually innocent. We won't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt but he's doing improbable things in a suspicious manner, has admitted to cheating before, and continues to act as a guilty person would. To those demanding hard proof, I'd remind them that this isn't a murder case. Beyond a shadow of a doubt isn't necessarily the standard by which we should even be looking at. Beyond a reasonable doubt is sufficient for a civil cases and should be sufficient for at least some of us nobodies to be able to say that this is likely. Where you fall on that spectrum is up to you but I don't think we should be so demanding of "hard proof" that all circumstantial evidence is ignored. Magnus doesn't lose terribly often but consider that he doesn't exactly have a history of throwing a tantrum and calling his opponent a cheater every time he loses. It is insinuated this particular time and the other party in question is certainly mighty suspicious. So I don't think the way you're framing it is accurate to the situation.
@@PRADYUMNKUMAR-oj2to If I made it short, it'd not adequately address the point. This makes me naturally long winded. I figure if someone looks at it and doesn't want to read, they didn't want to put any thought into the topic. If they do, that's why I gave a more complete answer.
People say this is bad for chess yet here I am. A guy who hasn't thought about chess in 20 years much less any amount of professional chess and this stuff is reaching me and I'm interested in how it turns out. Y'all are watching a "sports history moment" big enough to pull in people outside of chess, enjoy it.
I watched several of Hans’ post-match interviews on CZcams shorts. Every single one was strange lol, not just this one. Also not the only interview he “couldn’t” elaborate on his play.
Do you really think that when the champ sees a guy outplay him like he's against a computer isn't gonna see some patterns of deception that you might not have cought on to? Magnus understands the game well enough that if you jump a 100 game-IQ points all the sudden and are known to have a weak character you are definitely a cheater. ESPECIALLY if you don't have ability to explain how you were thinking the position, I mean, common. He stood up for what he believes in the only way he can rn
Its rather amusing to me how people blame anyone losing to the world champion with absolutely zero proof and facts to back up these claims. Its a classic guilty before proven innocent. Because he best the champion lol
@@lightup6751 It's amusing, because if it were anyone else, nobody would fuss about it, but because it's Hans, someone who has ADMITTED to cheating before, and arguably one of the weakest gm's beating magnus it's incredibly suspicious, especially looking at any of Hans other games
@@lightup6751 he has history of cheating and alot of things like like how he study a move magnus never used or even able explaining his move. He likely cheating but not caught yet
I’m so lost, I believed the only way to cheat at chess would be to distract the other player and switch your pawn with a queen you’ve had in your sleeve before your opponent notices 😂
I love this. People are so salty that the champ lost they are literally making up completely empty claims and giving up their intelligence out of fanboyism. Turning from chess fans into the typical social media teens that say guilty before proven innocent
@@lightup6751 Since I´ve seen you in plenty of comments just posting variations of showing you dont even know what´s happend, its ironic that its you to call people out for fanboying and "giving up their intelligence". Shallow, uninformed, not half as smart as he believes himself to be - thats about your entire Bio.
Look, this is the suspicion. Magnus never loses with the white pieces in classical. Yet he lost to someone who self-admittedly has cheated in the past. It can't be more suspicious than that.
Hans also is REALLY bad at faster pace chess. Like classical he seems to know exactly what to do at any time but he's not nearly that good when he doesn't have spare time. That's also extremely suspicious
😭😂FAXXXXXX Magnus going out sad and Hans keeping a straight face the whole time is whats killing me. I think Magnus really got mad Hans left the chess table without shaking his hand and walking off on him like that😭
"The cry out in pain as they strike you" ...Magnus seems to have gotten himself, "Fischer Pilled"...and just very simply recognized patterns and the same names
As long as he’s (disgustingly) allowed to continue playing professional chess, I’m no longer a spectator. I expect all professional chess players to refuse playing with him.
Do they check with the metal detector the head too? Because I know there’re micro-headsets you can insert in your ear and are not visible. They can only be extracted with a magnet.
I dont know the exact circumstances, but it was a bad play for Hans to admit he ever cheated. From what I read, he thought it was a good play... but regardless of what anyone says or does, he will not be completely trusted after that. The people defending him don't seem to understand that.
the transposition still doesn't explain the miracle prep to 20 moves deep, but since there is not hard evidence of cheating we probably have to take Hans at his word that it was a miracle he saw that one specific line the same morning
@@lib-center96 it literally does explain it. What do you think super GMs do? Also I'm not sure it was 20 moves deep theory since hans was thinking but ok
@@omagos3275 Sure, he just forgot which game it was. He studied it super hard and deep that morning on a whim, but blanked on where the game was played... Hans simply got it mixed up with a game that doesn't exist, like people with super GM memory are wont to do.
Hans played piss poor chess the rest of the way through St Louis. Finished in 6th place out of 9. This one game against Carlsen, he had a cell phone up his ass set on vibrate, he had to get to the bathroom real fast here.
why, isnt it the result? fine, i am sure Magnus is a great chess player, but he is also a human, this statement makes him sound like a mega computer or some kind of a spirital figure that cant be damaged, what is wrong
Odd that people are still claiming some garbage about a perfect game when it wasn't even close. The hilarious "OK, so he made a blunder here, and this wasn't the best move here, but wait a few moves..." BS is just too much.
@@tfulookinforbro I'm talking about the vids of the OMG HE CHEATED WITH 100% showing a typical good GM game from Hans and sheepishly announcing "well not that move... OK not that move". I'm talking about other 2700s having similar climbs to 2700. I'm talking about the moving targets of various engines with various depths and various number of CPUs and one of three top suggestions... and no real algorithm specified. Are all GM games of 90+ proof of cheating?
@@christianswanger123 Yes, it would be very suspicious if he had some 100% games. If only people understood that the "OMG he had 100% games" videos were wrong and absurd. Did you watch people use an engine to analyze the games? Lots of "well, that was a blunder" and "that was not one of the first three choices. One such "analysis" used several engines, several depths, and possibly a combination of CPUs and then decided that any one of the three top moves counted in the 100% category. In that case Bobby, Kasparov, and Carlson have too many 100% games and are now "sus".
needed more coverage of people thinking he didn't cheat, also include snip of hans's speech (also a 1 sec clip with funny music and a screenshot of hans's lawsuit lol)
plot twist - Magnus' gf cheated on him with Hans. that's the cheating that Magnus can't take. she swears it was just a couple flirty texts, but Magnus cant forgive them coz the texts speaks for itself.
It's hard to punish Magnus when he doesn't even care to compete in the next world championship. But I don't see why the world should be interested in punishing Magnus when the world usually won't punish Iran for refusing to play against Israel in sports when they are matched together. E.g., "In September 2019, Iran withdrew their decision to send Iranian chess players to the World Rapid & Blitz Chess Championship competitions in Moscow, scheduled to start in December 2019, because four Israeli chess players would be competing there too." And despite this, I have not yet heard any chess commentator criticise Iran or call for sanctions. And yet lots of commentators that I watch are calling for sanctions against Carlsen.
Ya know some people get really good at something. So good they become world champion for over a decade straight and can detect suspicious behavior from people that never showed any chess brilliancy. On top of all that, Hans has admitted to cheating. I would never trust a cheater. Once a cheat, always a cheat. Those are the stone cold facts kids! And trust me, magnus has achieved every chess player's wet dream. Losing at this point does not matter. Unless they cheat.
Magnus has no proof but he has (untold) reasons to be suspicions. However he needs approuval of Hans to tell these reasons, otherwise he could be sued for diffamation
They analyze game with engine, and find that a certain engine move was made with 100% accuracy. So its easy to detect cheating in chess at stronger level of games.
@@poetryrecapped no such thing as 100% accuracy in detection. Some moves made are the only logical move that it would correspond with an enine anyway. fact is magnus played the game til he lost and resigned , at no point was he calling cheat til he way 2 moves from mate
The device is in his mouth, they never scan that area, he turns it on using his tongue or teeth. All he have to do is to decode x number of vibrations into a move.
No happiness after the win, always defensive, he just seems like a demon who abused what he could while he could, got away with it with such a tiny post game interview, like success? Naw because he cheated so he can't feel successful
Hans beat Magnus twice in person. He wasnt cheating in his room, he was playing face to face. Even if he had cheated lets say every game he ever played till that point, those two were legit wins.
@@liran547Nahhh, you always hear the saying “there’s someone out there badder than you” fuck no, someone’s got to be the baddest motherfucker out there. Magnus is close to, if not is that. It’s not even debatable
@@mrstifler8987 what a u even talking about, no one can stay in shape forever, not even this guy, someone will come up and beat him eventrualy, then you gonna say that one is the goat, and goes on until the next one....talent is rare, but manner, is something we can all have and should have
@@liran547 That’s not how this works. Dude is already the best chess player of all time. He’s been this way for years… he’s already the baddest there ever was. It’s not debatable
I trust magnus. When you play enough chess you can start to really recognize when someone is using an engine. It’s more of a gut feeling and knowing how Hans acted on his twitch streams I could totally see him trying to do something like this.
I totally agree. Magnus literally plays like an engine so he will recognize these things better than anyone on the planet. It's expected that other GM's won't know what Magnus knows cause they aren't on his level.
Magnus also has talked about how easy it would be for him or other masters to cheat and never get caught. He said for him to be unbeatable, all he would need is someone to tell him 1-2 instances in a game if he made a correct move or if he’s in a winning position and he could calculate off that. Everyone is imagining how they themselves would cheat and think its impossible for Hans to be cheating because it would be too obvious. In reality, top players just need that extra tiny push which is virtually undetectable. Like Lance Armstrong only using PEDS that lifted him up 5%.
@@astel88 You're right. GMs would only need the engine for about that many moves. GMs know when they've arrived at the crux of the game, make the engine moves, then understand why the move was made.
I trust previous experience. Thats why im convinced that at some point extremely good chess players get weird. For just extremely good they get just quirky. For Magnus good, they get fischer-weird. Lets just face it. Magnus is descending into oblivion for some time. I really wish him to just move his thoughts into something else than chess; for his own sake.
The recap should be 0 seconds long because it speaks for itself
You shouldn’t have made this comment, because it speaks for itself
you shouldn't have made this reply, because it speaks for itself
@@enio3698 you shouldn't have bought your pc/cell phone to comment this on youtube, because it speaks for itself
@@andreywzk you shouldn't be born to live your life to this point and make this reply, because it speaks for itself
@@lucianomarques4694 Your parents shouldn’t be born so you couldn’t be born to make this reply, because it speaks for itself
To be fair, Magnus instagram bio "beating someone once isn't revenge" had always been there. He didn't write it after the drama.
So how many times should you beat up someone to have jt considered as revenge?
@@adilmohammed6897 7
This should be pinned @chesswolf
@@adilmohammed6897 I'm personally of the opinion for 3 back to back wins just to really show dominance you know xD
When did he put it there?
As I have consumed several hours of this drama I can confirm this is a good recap
XD
The recap speak for it self
this comment section is as void of substance as this whole 'scandal'
@@Heopful the substance it's going to come with time
@@Heopful not anymore lol the drama is stirring up again
This summary speaks for itself
This meme is just not going to die anytime soon. 😂
@@SK-tk6bi I mean, is that really a bad thing? Because personally, I literally don’t even care
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@@SK-tk6bi The meme speaks for itself
Lmao🤣🤣
Magnus has played and lost to all types of players under all types of circumstances for DECADES.
This would have happened before if it was just a case of Magnus being a drama queen.
It doesn't help that Hans has cheated multiple times before (already highlighting his character) but that he cannot elaborate on his moves during interviews.
It also doesn't help that the one person who could clear this up with a simple statement, won't do it.
I mean there's truly no proof of Hans cheating. Magnus is being a drama queen. Why stir up all of this when you can come out and say what's the issue. He's the face of chess and has been for YEARS. Most of the elite GMs aren't saying anything because they don't want to be on his bad side.
@@non-blogger they dont say anything because theres no 100% proof, not because this guy vs magnus is right lol
Hans has already threatened people legally. Of course Magnus has to stay silent rn
@@non-blogger you get sued for defamation if you have no proof. It's that simple. That's why nobody is making a clear statement, cause nobody is dumb enough to open themselves up to get sued.
Hans: chess speaks for itself
Magnus: Hold my beer
Hold my beads
hold my beer, let me resign because im a wuss
@@ADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The like(s) on your comment speak for its self.
@@ADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII The scoreboard speaks for itself ;)
@@ADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII lol
My wife: Watches dumb people have dumb drama on Real Housewives
Me: Makes fun of her
Also me: Watches smart people have dumb drama on Chess CZcams
why do you still have wife? 😁
@@maidbe because in a healthy relationship you make fun of each other ( which absolutely is not the same as bullying someone, there's a fine line between loving mocking and toxicity )
@@xChitenshi yeah, thanks for very serious marriage counselling lesson.
@@maidbe you seem like you need it
@@sharathsh9987 there is this thing called joke, look it up
Its more of a drama than a scandal
It is a scandal. We finally have the answer to what happens when a scandal hits the nerd community. They react this way. Any other sport, this will be a scandal. It’s like Real Madrid playing for 2 minutes against Barca and forfeiting the game after losing the previous encounter due to referring errors. That’s scandalous
@@jb-zn7ke You are wrong. It is about dignity and respect for the game. Magnus can skip playing a cheater all he wants. Niemann obviously played along a chess computer... it is already been revealed and analysed.
@@engelbrecht777 hmm yeah the authority on cheating checked all of his over the board games since 2020 and hasnt seen anything suspicious. Dont really know which analyses your talking about
Drive to survive
Since when is cheating not a scandal?
very good concise summary: I will give it an A. *summary speaks for itself*
Summary speaks for itself
They left out the part where Magnus whooped him the following games after he lost the first time and how Hans didnt do so well after Mangnus left the tournament. Maybe that means nothing but it is significant to the story.
nah. the "beating someone once isn't revenge" has been there for a looong time. It's just something some dumb comments wrote and levy innocently believed it.
I will give it F6 then walk away (Resign). 😂😂
You spelled 'Eh' wrong.
Magnus have so many games against machines and people in his everyday training, that he is capable to detect when something is wrong...
Or he just lost and got salty. As there is absolutely zero proof.
@@lightup6751this is very not true as even in this short recap, questionable moves unheard of were used
"Moves unheard of were used" what? So people can't try new tactics and moves without it being suspicious? Magnus lost, get over it.
Nobody should use the same predictable moves over and over. Actually trying something odd and a bit out of the box will confuse them since its not as predictable.
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@@serendus couldn't of said it better
Magnus did not change his IG profile text after losing. It has been saying that long before, and Gotham did not check up on that.
Yeah, Gotham admitted that mistake on his next video, saying it was his (aka Gotham's) fault for not looking into it prior to repeating it on youtube.
Pity on how hard it is to stop disinformation once it gets out there, even when it's an honest mistake.
IDK why Gotham is in compilation, he isn't good player and has nothing to say
either some lies or useless stuff like "THIS IS REALLY REALLY BAD, REALLY BAD"
@@alucard4974 He's a very weak player but an okay-ish entertainer
@@meowcat5596 "weak" is a matter of perspective. Against the top 5-10 in the world he's surely weak. Let's not fool anyne that an IM is anything but a very strong chess player
@@alucard4974 true
The last 2 levy clips you cut in a way to make it seem like he thinks Hans cheated.
He actually said "it is fair to be suspicious if they're crushing it over the board... BUT this is not the way to go about it"
And before "this is really bad", he was referring to Magnus not saying anything and just creating this drama
The "skill" disparity between his blitz and classical is also abnormal.
Yes, everyone has their own strengths and weaknesses, but in Hans' case it's unusually different
we really need hard proof, or anyone in the future can call someone beat him a cheater, thats just insanely not right
@@liran547 Hard proof doesn't exist and will never exist short of a confession. Even if we catch him red handed later, it won't truly be hard proof that he did so in this particular instance. What we have here is circumstantial evidence and a lot of it. As far as I'm concerned, we will likely never have enough to say that he definitively cheated. However, I have seen enough circumstantial evidence to say that I'd be confident enough to bet of any size that he actually did cheat, not that such a thing could be executed practically. Here's a quick summary of what I'm aware of as far as this goes. From Magnus' perspective, I assume that he just got a feeling that the play was off. Seasoned players, especially top players can kind of tell when things aren't feeling quite right. This isn't proof but it is likely what he was going off of. As for some of the reasons why I believe it is very likely Hans Niemann cheated...
1. Hans Niemann has quite a few cases of his quality of play fluctuating greatly, in many cases for over the course of most or all of a tournament. The amount isn't normal though not convicting alone by any means. A person can have good and bad days. He's just having unusual amounts of extremely good days, plenty to raise suspicion. To my knowledge, these spikes started happening abruptly, not that he's a player with a history of just ok days and others where he's performing hundreds of points above his rating on the regular.
2. Hans Niemann has a history of cheating. This should put a huge red flag up for everyone, especially in combination with a few of the following points.
3. While I don't listen to every game analysis by any means, I have never heard anyone doing an analysis say that they don't need to show variations. The point of analysis is to analyze which Hans Niemann is refusing to do. This is highly abnormal but would make total sense if he didn't come up with the moves himself and thus is unable to actually provide said variations. Supposing he has the slightest sense of self awareness, we should be able to assume that if he was innocent, he'd be doing everything possible to show that he was such, especially with the history of admitting to cheating. He instead takes the most suspicious action.
4. Hans Niemann performs consistently poorly in faster time controls. A small matter but chalk it up on the list.
5. Hans Niemann is having these games while quickly playing deep into opening lines of openings he historically doesn't play. It is possible that he went and did some deep study while hiding the fact that he was doing so but this is again unusual.
6. It isn't just a matter of the top players saying "This guy is playing too well". There's also factors such as moves that are rather unusual for human thinking but standard for computers. This is more apparent over the board because someone who's cheating is just regurgitating moves. They aren't always aware of how long they should be pretending to think about a move because they didn't think of it themselves. So I think that if the others feel things are off, there's at least good reason to be suspicious.
I find it difficult to imagine a scenario in which Hans Niemann is actually innocent. We won't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt but he's doing improbable things in a suspicious manner, has admitted to cheating before, and continues to act as a guilty person would. To those demanding hard proof, I'd remind them that this isn't a murder case. Beyond a shadow of a doubt isn't necessarily the standard by which we should even be looking at. Beyond a reasonable doubt is sufficient for a civil cases and should be sufficient for at least some of us nobodies to be able to say that this is likely. Where you fall on that spectrum is up to you but I don't think we should be so demanding of "hard proof" that all circumstantial evidence is ignored. Magnus doesn't lose terribly often but consider that he doesn't exactly have a history of throwing a tantrum and calling his opponent a cheater every time he loses. It is insinuated this particular time and the other party in question is certainly mighty suspicious. So I don't think the way you're framing it is accurate to the situation.
@@NevarKanzaki you dropped this 👑 true keyboard samurai
@@PRADYUMNKUMAR-oj2to If I made it short, it'd not adequately address the point. This makes me naturally long winded. I figure if someone looks at it and doesn't want to read, they didn't want to put any thought into the topic. If they do, that's why I gave a more complete answer.
@@NevarKanzakiI have a gut feeling he did not cheat and that he was on top of his game. But of course I could be wrong.
People say this is bad for chess yet here I am. A guy who hasn't thought about chess in 20 years much less any amount of professional chess and this stuff is reaching me and I'm interested in how it turns out. Y'all are watching a "sports history moment" big enough to pull in people outside of chess, enjoy it.
Drama speaks for itself
Actually you're just a drama fien.
Nothing gets me more pumped up than chess drama
I watched several of Hans’ post-match interviews on CZcams shorts. Every single one was strange lol, not just this one. Also not the only interview he “couldn’t” elaborate on his play.
Do you really think that when the champ sees a guy outplay him like he's against a computer isn't gonna see some patterns of deception that you might not have cought on to?
Magnus understands the game well enough that if you jump a 100 game-IQ points all the sudden and are known to have a weak character you are definitely a cheater.
ESPECIALLY if you don't have ability to explain how you were thinking the position, I mean, common.
He stood up for what he believes in the only way he can rn
I've listed all the evidence of him cheating below:
@@tomr6955 I mean his whole interview of him talking about he's not cheating is the evidence
Its rather amusing to me how people blame anyone losing to the world champion with absolutely zero proof and facts to back up these claims.
Its a classic guilty before proven innocent. Because he best the champion lol
@@lightup6751 It's amusing, because if it were anyone else, nobody would fuss about it, but because it's Hans, someone who has ADMITTED to cheating before, and arguably one of the weakest gm's beating magnus it's incredibly suspicious, especially looking at any of Hans other games
@@lightup6751 he has history of cheating and alot of things like like how he study a move magnus never used or even able explaining his move.
He likely cheating but not caught yet
This is a fantastic supercut, well done
You are the goat my friend, summing all this drama in less than 2 mins, fantastic!
Imagine if 3 years later magnus just tweets "just kidding, lol"
Hans is literally the villain of chess
This summary is better than the 2h I spent looking videos about this drama
I’m so lost, I believed the only way to cheat at chess would be to distract the other player and switch your pawn with a queen you’ve had in your sleeve before your opponent notices 😂
Cheating in chess is kinda like cheating in math. If you haven't already, you should be able to figure it out from here ;)
@@thebettafish3239 elaborate. What u did just now is what Hans did “chess speaks for itself” and gives nothing in interviews. Elaborate please
How did you cheat in cgess
I love this.
People are so salty that the champ lost they are literally making up completely empty claims and giving up their intelligence out of fanboyism.
Turning from chess fans into the typical social media teens that say guilty before proven innocent
@@lightup6751 Since I´ve seen you in plenty of comments just posting variations of showing you dont even know what´s happend, its ironic that its you to call people out for fanboying and "giving up their intelligence". Shallow, uninformed, not half as smart as he believes himself to be - thats about your entire Bio.
Look, this is the suspicion. Magnus never loses with the white pieces in classical. Yet he lost to someone who self-admittedly has cheated in the past. It can't be more suspicious than that.
The weird persona the interviews between games the analysis the history the jump from 2500 to 2700 elo
Tough
Hans also is REALLY bad at faster pace chess. Like classical he seems to know exactly what to do at any time but he's not nearly that good when he doesn't have spare time. That's also extremely suspicious
This summary gave me more insight than a dozen articles
Great collects of clips. Good job!
thank you so much for putting this together so i don't have to sift through 16 different 30 minute long videos
The video was way better than i thought, great work.
Hans: D4
Magnus: Nf6
Hans: C4 (just wants to be beth harmone)
Carlsen: uhhh no
it's Nf6*
Living in a time to see Magnus doing his Fischer arc. Nice
Except he has a 3940 rating in the current tournament. You should just pay attention to the game instead of posting other people’s jokes.
😭😂FAXXXXXX Magnus going out sad and Hans keeping a straight face the whole time is whats killing me. I think Magnus really got mad Hans left the chess table without shaking his hand and walking off on him like that😭
@@gogigaga1677 The amount of emoji spamming speaks for itself
@@heno02 3 emojis
@@kila200 The edited notice speaks for itself
I've recently got into chess and now this is happening
the chess speaks for itself
so original
@@magnum4989 the comment speaks for itself
@@wanderingisaac3685 hehe!
@@wanderingisaac3685 this reply to this comment speaks for itself
@@magnum4989 omg carl magnum im a big fan
This is the best video so far- all other content creators are literally milking the shit out of the smallest things
No
Hans :- chess speaks for itself
Magnus :- cheating speaks for itself
No cheating evidence there bud
@@Gilvids Spoken like a true 900
@@choccie_chip685 what is the evidence then sensei?
Who gives a damn, even if he cheats and doesnt get find out then it’s his win.
If you cant prove the cheating , you lose even if he cheated.
@@choccie_chip685 enlighten us
Thanks for this video.. Needed it
Excellent edit!
they should settle this wrestlemania style...if anybody resigns in 2 moves, he gets hit at the back of the head with a folding chair.
My theory is hans is actually a time traveller and knows all the right moves beforehand
Reverse flash
Chess drama is what we like.. who cares about some wooden pieces
pfff yeah imagine not playing with diamond pieces.
@@burnstick1380 Spare me please, that sounds like a card game. I would love to club Niemann.
short, concise, informative, accurate and unbiased
Best summary I've seen so far on what's going on around this
"The cry out in pain as they strike you" ...Magnus seems to have gotten himself, "Fischer Pilled"...and just very simply recognized patterns and the same names
As long as he’s (disgustingly) allowed to continue playing professional chess, I’m no longer a spectator. I expect all professional chess players to refuse playing with him.
Why?
Why?
so blacklisting people with no proof.
@@fourthaeon9418 they don't wanna see Magnus overthrown lol 🤣🤣🤣
@@joys8634 no, it’s because now we know that Hans cheated in a fuck ton more than just two games. He’s been a serial cheater in online chess.
Nice editing! ♟
finally a title that is actually the time of the video
Hans: d4
Magnus: Nf6
Hans: c4
Magnus: oh no I can see Mate in 69.
Why 69 and not any other number? :)
@@elawchess because It's nice obviously.
@@elawchessMagnus time travelled then saw that he will loose at move 69
@@elawchess the number speaks for itself
nice
The beads speaks for itself
1:10 Is there more video of him talking about variations?
Do they check with the metal detector the head too? Because I know there’re micro-headsets you can insert in your ear and are not visible. They can only be extracted with a magnet.
Great job with this. The drama has been a bit hard to follow.
I really agrea this is a drama to make chess more populer...
Video speaks for itself.
The reporter wasn't asking what chess thought. He was asking what Hans thought.
Amazing summary
I dont know the exact circumstances, but it was a bad play for Hans to admit he ever cheated. From what I read, he thought it was a good play... but regardless of what anyone says or does, he will not be completely trusted after that. The people defending him don't seem to understand that.
2:11 that accent killing me 🤣🤣
Nice edit...kudos
Literally the best cut
Don't forget that hans was prepared of he opening, because of transposition
the transposition still doesn't explain the miracle prep to 20 moves deep, but since there is not hard evidence of cheating we probably have to take Hans at his word that it was a miracle he saw that one specific line the same morning
@@lib-center96 LOLOLOLL
@@lib-center96 it literally does explain it. What do you think super GMs do? Also I'm not sure it was 20 moves deep theory since hans was thinking but ok
@@omagos3275 should watch more. gms take time to remember prep when it gets deeper, or choose a move from prep if they don't want to play main lines
@@omagos3275 Sure, he just forgot which game it was. He studied it super hard and deep that morning on a whim, but blanked on where the game was played... Hans simply got it mixed up with a game that doesn't exist, like people with super GM memory are wont to do.
Of course the clip they choose of Gotham makes it sound like he's leaning towards the opinion that Hanz cheated lol
This whole cheating scandal is just pre-fight skirmish for upcoming chess-boxing match of the century.
amazing edit
Hans played piss poor chess the rest of the way through St Louis. Finished in 6th place out of 9. This one game against Carlsen, he had a cell phone up his ass set on vibrate, he had to get to the bathroom real fast here.
"The chess community was more willing to believe that the earth was flat than Magnus losing to Hand Neimann."
why, isnt it the result? fine, i am sure Magnus is a great chess player, but he is also a human, this statement makes him sound like a mega computer or some kind of a spirital figure that cant be damaged, what is wrong
The resign button speaks for itself
tbf when my opponent opens with d4, I also resign.
Hans has played a perfect game and people still say it's wrong to label him as a cheater 😂 bro made several brilliant moves that games in no time
Odd that people are still claiming some garbage about a perfect game when it wasn't even close. The hilarious "OK, so he made a blunder here, and this wasn't the best move here, but wait a few moves..." BS is just too much.
@@scottekoontz engine correlation was 90+ what are you talking about
@@tfulookinforbro I'm talking about the vids of the OMG HE CHEATED WITH 100% showing a typical good GM game from Hans and sheepishly announcing "well not that move... OK not that move".
I'm talking about other 2700s having similar climbs to 2700. I'm talking about the moving targets of various engines with various depths and various number of CPUs and one of three top suggestions... and no real algorithm specified.
Are all GM games of 90+ proof of cheating?
@@scottekoontz it's pretty suspicious when Hans has more 100% accurate games than Bobby, Kasparov, and Carlson combined.
@@christianswanger123 Yes, it would be very suspicious if he had some 100% games. If only people understood that the "OMG he had 100% games" videos were wrong and absurd. Did you watch people use an engine to analyze the games? Lots of "well, that was a blunder" and "that was not one of the first three choices.
One such "analysis" used several engines, several depths, and possibly a combination of CPUs and then decided that any one of the three top moves counted in the 100% category. In that case Bobby, Kasparov, and Carlson have too many 100% games and are now "sus".
Chess can speak for themselves, they know who they are.
Chess ain't no bitch
This summary speaks for itself.
The video speaks for itself.
The anal beads conspiracy is the best one I've heard yet ! I think a colonoscopy before each game is in order, or the trusty squat and cough.🤣😉
This is really good for chess.
Stockfish speaks for itself.
needed more coverage of people thinking he didn't cheat, also include snip of hans's speech
(also a 1 sec clip with funny music and a screenshot of hans's lawsuit lol)
Just started playing chess 3 months ago, didn’t know chess had drama like this! 😮
2 or 3 times a year, in some capacity.
His responses are concerning.
what is the name of the ludwig video?
Good summary :)
plot twist - Magnus' gf cheated on him with Hans. that's the cheating that Magnus can't take. she swears it was just a couple flirty texts, but Magnus cant forgive them coz the texts speaks for itself.
sext speaks for itself
It's hard to punish Magnus when he doesn't even care to compete in the next world championship. But I don't see why the world should be interested in punishing Magnus when the world usually won't punish Iran for refusing to play against Israel in sports when they are matched together. E.g., "In September 2019, Iran withdrew their decision to send Iranian chess players to the World Rapid & Blitz Chess Championship competitions in Moscow, scheduled to start in December 2019, because four Israeli chess players would be competing there too." And despite this, I have not yet heard any chess commentator criticise Iran or call for sanctions. And yet lots of commentators that I watch are calling for sanctions against Carlsen.
Nobody is punishing him. They're just laughing at the fanboys who can't accept reality.
Based Iran
Because Israel are terrorists. That's why they don't play against them. Hans is not a terrorist
Nice recap
can someone explain how someone cheats in chess? especially in person?
Ya know some people get really good at something. So good they become world champion for over a decade straight and can detect suspicious behavior from people that never showed any chess brilliancy. On top of all that, Hans has admitted to cheating. I would never trust a cheater. Once a cheat, always a cheat. Those are the stone cold facts kids! And trust me, magnus has achieved every chess player's wet dream. Losing at this point does not matter. Unless they cheat.
Can someone explain me how they know he cheated? Is because he beat the number one player or something else?
Magnus has no proof but he has (untold) reasons to be suspicions. However he needs approuval of Hans to tell these reasons, otherwise he could be sued for diffamation
They analyze game with engine, and find that a certain engine move was made with 100% accuracy. So its easy to detect cheating in chess at stronger level of games.
@@poetryrecapped no such thing as 100% accuracy in detection. Some moves made are the only logical move that it would correspond with an enine anyway. fact is magnus played the game til he lost and resigned , at no point was he calling cheat til he way 2 moves from mate
@@fourthaeon9418you are moron
No Human ever had 100% same moves with engine in same game
He had that because he cheated
The device is in his mouth, they never scan that area, he turns it on using his tongue or teeth. All he have to do is to decode x number of vibrations into a move.
I don't get it how can he cheat in that situation? I mean using pc that it isn't his own can someone explain here
dont blame magnus for refusing to play a cheater. good for him
Spoken like a true 300 elo player
He's using a device not made of metal that conducts electricity and is probably working it with his toes. Pretty simple
That won't work
Magnus is playing 3d chess now, either went mad or is about to end this man whole career.
This is a great synopsis of the ordeal.
No happiness after the win, always defensive, he just seems like a demon who abused what he could while he could, got away with it with such a tiny post game interview, like success? Naw because he cheated so he can't feel successful
so was Has cheating then? or no?
He won the match -- speaks for itself.
No he did not
idk why that seemed way longer than 2 minutes 40 seconds
but if Hans Niemann was cheating, how did he do it?
Hans is psych-op warrior
Everyone should refuse to play with cheaters.
Hans beat Magnus twice in person. He wasnt cheating in his room, he was playing face to face. Even if he had cheated lets say every game he ever played till that point, those two were legit wins.
@@oiajwoadgea6123 Everyone knows who the cheater is.
@@oiajwoadgea6123 Not saying Hans cheated, but playing over the board doesn't mean cheating didn't occur. Plenty of ways to cheat OTB
@@KenDanieli innocent until proven guilty
magnus has cheated before with 2500+ players feeding moves to him, on video
Two minutes forty seconds is in fact not three minutes, but I let the titles speak for themselves.
How are super computer generated moves communicated in real-time to the OTB cheater?
Just wanted to point out
Magnus is that good that if he gets beat that bad, some people legitimately think he's cheating
Argument from authority is meaningless without evidence.
no one is unbeatable, no ship is unsinkable, if he can beat other people, someone somewhere is able to beat him
@@liran547Nahhh, you always hear the saying “there’s someone out there badder than you” fuck no, someone’s got to be the baddest motherfucker out there. Magnus is close to, if not is that. It’s not even debatable
@@mrstifler8987 what a u even talking about, no one can stay in shape forever, not even this guy, someone will come up and beat him eventrualy, then you gonna say that one is the goat, and goes on until the next one....talent is rare, but manner, is something we can all have and should have
@@liran547 That’s not how this works. Dude is already the best chess player of all time. He’s been this way for years… he’s already the baddest there ever was. It’s not debatable
I trust magnus. When you play enough chess you can start to really recognize when someone is using an engine. It’s more of a gut feeling and knowing how Hans acted on his twitch streams I could totally see him trying to do something like this.
I totally agree. Magnus literally plays like an engine so he will recognize these things better than anyone on the planet. It's expected that other GM's won't know what Magnus knows cause they aren't on his level.
So Hans had stockfish implants in his skull?
Magnus also has talked about how easy it would be for him or other masters to cheat and never get caught. He said for him to be unbeatable, all he would need is someone to tell him 1-2 instances in a game if he made a correct move or if he’s in a winning position and he could calculate off that.
Everyone is imagining how they themselves would cheat and think its impossible for Hans to be cheating because it would be too obvious. In reality, top players just need that extra tiny push which is virtually undetectable. Like Lance Armstrong only using PEDS that lifted him up 5%.
@@astel88 You're right. GMs would only need the engine for about that many moves. GMs know when they've arrived at the crux of the game, make the engine moves, then understand why the move was made.
I trust previous experience. Thats why im convinced that at some point extremely good chess players get weird. For just extremely good they get just quirky. For Magnus good, they get fischer-weird. Lets just face it. Magnus is descending into oblivion for some time. I really wish him to just move his thoughts into something else than chess; for his own sake.
These dudes are teaming up on Hans fr 💀
How did he cheat if it was in person?