The Game That Broke The Internet - Carlsen vs Niemann

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  • čas přidán 6. 09. 2022
  • The chess Game That Broke the Internet and Most Infamous chess game In history - Magnus Carlsen vs Hans Niemann, Round 3 Sinquefield Cup 2022. Carlsen withdrew after this game and a chess cheating scandal has ensued, various theories, from anal beads to leaked prep, have followed but Hans Niemann has remained defiant, stating that he did not cheat!
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  • @nikhname737
    @nikhname737 Před rokem +568

    At 9:37 Rc1 isn’t checkmate as the rook can block. The threat is to trade rooks and fork the king and bishop :)

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +112

      Whoops oh yeah! I’ll pin this one thanks

    • @mwm_3907
      @mwm_3907 Před rokem +4

      I was wondering that too..how is this checkmate..:)

    • @ganicusgra5641
      @ganicusgra5641 Před rokem +4

      yeah thats what i saw too and came to comments! why did he move the King? he could threaten knight with bishop in D2!

    • @abdulla_mathew
      @abdulla_mathew Před rokem +1

      Yes it's not a checkmate but black will trade rooks and get a whole new queen for free...checkmate will be better than that 🙂

    • @TokinMystic12
      @TokinMystic12 Před rokem +11

      So where was the cheating ?

  • @TylerDanielWinn
    @TylerDanielWinn Před rokem +1243

    sometimes chess videos make me feel dumb because they're difficult to follow as a relative beginner, this one is clear and easily followed/explained, very well done.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +42

      Thanks Rhumos, glad you enjoyed and appreciate the feedback!

    • @Mrclean431
      @Mrclean431 Před rokem +2

      I second that. Well explained.

    • @swavyypressure9417
      @swavyypressure9417 Před rokem +1

      Literally just got into chess yesterday, so I agree with this comment haha.

    • @Dovakhin94
      @Dovakhin94 Před rokem +1

      Look up warhammer 40k battle reports, chess is a kids game compared to that.

    • @stian6390
      @stian6390 Před rokem +2

      He explained everything on point, especially about the defensive octopus knight.

  • @Nijugarami
    @Nijugarami Před rokem +1207

    Nothing brings me more joy and interest, like drama in a specific niche field.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +47

      Yeah and I have to say that modern chess is way more fascinating than in the old days, I love it

    • @thakurv1
      @thakurv1 Před rokem +10

      What about a non specific niche lol

    • @tylere.8436
      @tylere.8436 Před rokem +21

      @@thakurv1 Sounds like an pleonasm, niches are inherently specific.

    • @maxxsee
      @maxxsee Před rokem +5

      not Christian behaviour. we should not be a stumblingblock for others salvation

    • @jacobgodde6576
      @jacobgodde6576 Před rokem +5

      @@maxxsee ?

  • @johndoe-sf6hk
    @johndoe-sf6hk Před rokem +950

    doesnt matter if he did beat him fair and square, the fact that he has be caught cheating multiple times in the past will forever put in doubt any achievements he makes. He has already ruined his career before the match took place.

    • @Segkee
      @Segkee Před rokem +186

      It does matter. I would say the ethics surrounding the smear job on Hans is just as problematic as his youthful indiscretions. Magnus made errors in that game and he threw a hissy fit. I would argue, right now, Magnus and the chess world are cheating but in a way that is socially more acceptable - it's called cancel culture. Because Hans cheated when he was in his early teens, he will forever be labelled as a cheater and other cheaters will abuse that to their advantage. The sickness here isn't hans. It's our culture.

    • @terskataneli6457
      @terskataneli6457 Před rokem +105

      @@LilliputianGYATT learn to read

    • @MiaKhalifa-mj5xz
      @MiaKhalifa-mj5xz Před rokem +9

      Cheaters suck 🎉

    • @seanrenon747
      @seanrenon747 Před rokem +71

      @@Segkee wasn’t Hans unable to explain the reasoning behind most of his moves after the game?
      The theory was that somebody in Magnus camp leaked his opener, which is why he prepared an opening he never plays.
      When Hans was prepared for an opening his opponent never played over the board as deep as he was I think common sense can takeover.

    • @ayyyyy7707
      @ayyyyy7707 Před rokem +5

      @@Segkee wow cringe fresh off the boat!

  • @cannibalisticwolf3319
    @cannibalisticwolf3319 Před rokem +9

    It really just sounds like the guy was too proud to accept a loss. :(

  • @ItsAsparageese
    @ItsAsparageese Před rokem +242

    I really appreciate both the clarity and accessibility of your analysis, and your responsible choice to refrain from editorializing about the controversy. Very good video. Looking forward to checking out your other material and likely subscribing :)

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +5

      Thanks for the feedback appreciate it! Glad to hear you enjoyed and yeah I hope you like the other stuff, I try and get a balance between entertainment and education, that’s what I’m going for anyway and learning lots myself along the way as I’m simply a chess fan first and foremost myself who is also aspiring to improve as so many of us are! Nice name btw lol, one of the more unusual ones I’ve seen haha

    • @ItsAsparageese
      @ItsAsparageese Před rokem +1

      @@epicchess2021 Hey right on dude, I'd say you're succeeding at that balance! Already playlisted a few vids and subbed to you right after my previous comment :)
      And thanks! Haha I just changed from my real name to this goofy one a couplefew months back and I'm absolutely loving the responses 😁 Love popularizing silly neologisms lol. I'm excited for the linguists 200+etc years from now to look back at the early post-internet world and examine how, far more often than in previous eras, pure silliness has become a primary factor influencing language evolution 😆

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      @@ItsAsparageese ah cool thanks a lot. Haha yeah the amount of new words I've learnt since I started this channel. For example yesterday someone called Magnus a 'sperg' in a comment and went on to then explain that one to me when I asked about it...!

    • @ItsAsparageese
      @ItsAsparageese Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 Oof haha, I can hear their casual ableism from here. Isn't growing an audience fun? 😂 Lol. But I'm glad you're attracting such engaged and opinionated chess community members! That can only reflect well on and be good for your channel 😊

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      @@ItsAsparageese ableism, another one I never heard before. The awkward moment when your Enlgish degree was for nothing...and yeah it's great to engage with so many people, I really enjoy runningthe channel and chatting with everyone, just getting tougher as it grows to keep up withthe comments

  • @compromisedssh
    @compromisedssh Před 5 měsíci +4

    Dang. I didn't realize you had a few videos that broke the million-view barrier. Well done. This is a fantastic video and so are the cheating scandal parts 1 and 2 videos too. Here's the main thing I need to make you aware of: the videos you're making right now, in mid-December, 2023, are a huge improvement over the not-even-bad videos you were making just one year back. I'm not disparaging this video in any way, shape, or form-- my comment is meant as a huge compliment. The way that you shoehorn irreverent comedy into your analyses these days is amazing. I remember you referring to agadmator as "the goat" in one of your videos. He's not. He's a clown. His channel is just older than yours. You may not be at the level of Gotham Chess yet, but I'm putting you in the #2 slot on the chess video creator board. Give it time because your subscriber count and views haven't yet caught up to your brilliance. Don't worry about that lag. It happens to every talented video maker. I can promise you that you'll be able to quit your day job by the end of 2025. If not sooner (y'know-- if you want to, anyway). I realize how gay this comment makes me seem but I can promise you that I'm only into women and only telling you the truth right now. Another thing that's better now than 15 months ago is your hair. That's a superficial observation, but looks sadly matter in the CZcamsr arena. Keep getting trimmed every 3-4 weeks and you'll have enough money to hire darknet market hit men to eradicate the people who leave you nasty comments in no time. Just remember us little folks after you've paid your house off with CZcams checks. Edit: also, make sure you shave before recording a video. Again-- this is a non-factor in terms of what matters to me; I am just rooting for you to settle in on Easy St. so you have more time to devote to your CZcams channels.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks a lot really appreciate it! And yeah agree with all said , I don’t recall ever referring agad as goat and doubt I would because I don’t think that and never have, years ago I stumbled on his channel as a fan and never like it personally, just rattled through moves no real insight. So Danny king was always my favorite over last decade tho he’s a bit slow going at times etc but yeah thanks again, defo making progress yeah the longer I do it

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Thanks a lot really appreciate it! And yeah agree with all said , I don’t recall ever referring agad as goat and doubt I would because I don’t think that and never have, years ago I stumbled on his channel as a fan and never like it personally, just rattled through moves no real insight. So Danny king was always my favorite over last decade tho he’s a bit slow going at times etc but yeah thanks again, defo making progress yeah the longer I do it

    • @compromisedssh
      @compromisedssh Před 5 měsíci

      @@epicchess2021 Indeed you are improving. I usually see your videos on my CZcams homepage suggestions, so I only just now realized that you're offering memberships. I signed up for the $9 tier because you didn't have a one month free promotion for the $20 membership. I'm going to set a calendar reminder to switch to your highest tier on January 18, but reply to this comment if you don't see a new sign up that day because my job hits me with a billion notifications per day and I want to make sure I'm supporting your channel as much as possible. Keep up the great work.

  • @jamiemitchell4578
    @jamiemitchell4578 Před rokem +246

    You explain everything so clearly and make the complex very accessible. Good work.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Cheers Jamie appreciate it and thanks for watching

    • @catheadmoon
      @catheadmoon Před rokem +2

      Thanks dog I do what I can.

  • @duudleDreamz
    @duudleDreamz Před rokem +56

    Great analysis/video, spot on to the point, makes one appreciate many of the cool subtleties in this game

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Thanks a lot glad you enjoyed! Cheers for watching

  • @sm5970
    @sm5970 Před rokem +25

    I don’t feel so dumb anymore with your explanations as a beginner. You’re very good. I am always so lost with the other channels sadly.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Oh thanks a lot, S M! Yeah trying not to over complicate but still give a bit of depth to it. Cheers for watching

    • @michaelmassaro4375
      @michaelmassaro4375 Před rokem

      Should’nt feel that way any which way there always going to be better and worse players in chess I give respect to those that give their effort more than the arrogant ones that are boisterous because they’re maybe a bit better just don’t give up trying to get Better

  • @nickbolas3081
    @nickbolas3081 Před rokem +20

    Thank you for showing the moves in the game and your great analysis. I appreciate it.

  • @pocketjeffs
    @pocketjeffs Před rokem +22

    I'm not knowledgeable in any way about Chess but your commentary makes me think I understand it really well :) Really easy to understand explanation

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Thanks a lot Genghis! Glad you enjoyed cheers for watching

  • @gortklatu3784
    @gortklatu3784 Před rokem +12

    Great succinct analysis. Thanks for keeping it professional.

  • @carlosm1514
    @carlosm1514 Před rokem +8

    Excellent breakdown. Thoroughly enjoyed it. you've gained a subscriber.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot Carlos appreciate it, glad you enjoyed

  • @TheAsharedhett
    @TheAsharedhett Před rokem +4

    Subscribed! I am just a casual novice, but I enjoy the even-paced and clear summary of each move. Looking forward to more. :)

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed and cheers for watching

  • @samuelpazin9566
    @samuelpazin9566 Před rokem +55

    Recently coming back to chess after 10+ years of not playing, was never good but i was in a chess club as a kid briefly. First time your video came up on my home page and i love it, definately subscribing and looking forward to more great videos like this one, thank you

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +4

      Thanks a lot, samuel glad you enjoyed!

    • @chrisc6497
      @chrisc6497 Před rokem +1

      welcome back. you missed some juicy stuff. hope ur not trying to quit red camels.....

  • @laxlyfters8695
    @laxlyfters8695 Před rokem +41

    Glad to find this channel I have no idea how to play chess and you broke the logic behind each move what is normally played and really brought great closure to the situation. Thank you

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +4

      Great to hear and thanks for watching!

    • @rv706
      @rv706 Před rokem

      Why?? 😂

    • @abelgreen5046
      @abelgreen5046 Před rokem +1

      Chess is so goddamn hard! But damn it’s the best game on earth

    • @scottmatheson3346
      @scottmatheson3346 Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 yeah, this was great work. it gave me such a sense of clarity i found myself thinking, why would he need to cheat, it's so obvious!

  • @chessthinker500
    @chessthinker500 Před rokem +8

    Very nice coverage & commentary on this highly controversial game.😊👍🎉🍷👏

  • @edward1412
    @edward1412 Před rokem +10

    This was beautifully done. Love it!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Yeah brilliant game! Thanks for watching, Edward

  • @gfweis
    @gfweis Před rokem +11

    Superb analysis. Clear as glass, comprehensive, and not a word wasted.

  • @arpadnagy1354
    @arpadnagy1354 Před rokem +1

    I like the explanations on future possibly moves. Keep up the great work!

  • @beenamachhami3762
    @beenamachhami3762 Před rokem +20

    Very unbiased analysis. Not like many other jumping right to conclusions.

  • @MoneyManHolmes
    @MoneyManHolmes Před rokem +166

    This will be one of the most analized chess matches of all time.

  • @kaseyvance3759
    @kaseyvance3759 Před rokem +8

    You provided an objective approach to this game. Well done. You are on your way to having a following akin to Agadmator--certainly something to be proud of and look forward to.
    I know a lot of additional information has come out since this video, but still no evidentiary proof of OTB cheating has been provided. Regardless of his connection with Dlugy, his admitted past online actions, or any other information, none of it provides proof he did anything nefarious during his games OTB with Magnus or the other players.
    All that to say your video will age well.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Kasey appreciate it! Yeah I’m trying to give an overview that moves along quite quickly but also unpack some of the positional ideas along the way. And yeah there is a lot of reasons to be suspicious no doubt but I’m personally yet to be convinced that he is indeed cheating OTB

  • @henrysawson2165
    @henrysawson2165 Před rokem +5

    Excellent video and channel. I have subscribed. Your video could be improved by listing the players' ratings (on the screen) at the time the game was played.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +5

      Thanks Henry, glad you enjoyed and cheers for subscribing. Yeah interesting point actually, I always do that when using the chess.com analysis board but it doesn't list it by default on LiChess. I'll have to look at how I get that back in if I'm using LiChess.

  • @pmraul2921
    @pmraul2921 Před rokem +5

    OMG - Thank you. I don't play or follow chess but, I do know the rules and moves for pieces. Your explanation was so clear and makes sense to layman like me. Awesome video. I just became a subscriber.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot, PM Raul, great to hear and glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching and subscribing

  • @sliceserve234
    @sliceserve234 Před rokem

    very nice explanation of the variations on the game. thank you!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot! No worries cheers for watching

  • @Amisermanzerboiredanser
    @Amisermanzerboiredanser Před rokem +37

    The “trap” to instigate the check and then pick up the rook with the knight king/rook fork, to be able to have an advantage with a knight and a better pawn structure is so different to how Hans has been playing up to now. This move is so different to w”how he has been playing at the start of the game.

    • @mattysoczynski6650
      @mattysoczynski6650 Před rokem +5

      changing your gameplay is cheating how?

    • @InnocentC0
      @InnocentC0 Před rokem +4

      Too much change is weird. I'm not claiming that I'm good at chess analysis. But, That is an idea.
      I can see Calsen could have checked Opponent's gameplays before going into match, which is why he managed to pick something from Hans in the game, since Calsen have quite good memory.
      Then, again, they need many match analysis to determine this part, whatever that how much his gameplay changed in the board and previous gameplays.
      In general sense, you can detect from his growth, I suppose. But, the judgement would be bias. Since Hans had cheated in the past and it will be additional problem for judges, which can't be helped.
      As for my thinking, Hans plays perfectly, even the lost pieces feel like it is calculated to lost. Magnus play has some missing play in this game. Although, he seems slightly better or worse to other top players in the game I see. This game, he looks like pretty crushing from start to end.
      But, that is just me. I could probably bias as well, since I have watched Calsen's play online more than Hans'.

    • @eatjjca
      @eatjjca Před rokem +1

      @@InnocentC0 I wouldn't call it changing your game play i would call it reacting to the board either way it not cheating. it just what magnus did 15 years ago before he got bored

    • @pr0z0rd
      @pr0z0rd Před 9 měsíci

      @@mattysoczynski6650 It's jsut strange. How could someone have the best counter for an opening and after this have the best counter for a variation of that opening? He had the best answers for the default and for the not default. It's just unlikely to happen. It really could just be luck (yeah, it's not skill, since he couldn't even explain his moves after the game) but it's just unlikely to be just luck. Chess is not a game you can count on luck.

    • @pr0z0rd
      @pr0z0rd Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@eatjjca yeah, but there are differences. Magnus repeatdly did that. Magnus could explain everything he had done. Hans explanation was: "by a miracle I had studied that opening the night before the match" and when asked about the moves that didn't follow the default opening he just couldn't explain. Look for the post-game interview.

  • @Biodelic
    @Biodelic Před rokem +4

    First of all, this is an excellent video and commentary. Very enjoyable to watch. I rarely ever watch chess videos because they either bore me silly or infuriate me. What a refreshing experience this was. Thank you very much for making it.
    What doesn't compute with me is the whole supposed cheating thingy flowing around. Can anyone explain that to me? I don't play any digital forms of chess and therefore might miss something.

    • @suicidism
      @suicidism Před rokem

      There've been talks of anal beads. A device that is connected to a computer which analyzes the game and gives advice via vibrations.

    • @Biodelic
      @Biodelic Před rokem +1

      @@suicidism Ahhhh, ok? I guess it takes its very own talents and skills to learn morse code up ones bum.
      What a brave new world.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot! Check out my how to cheat video, it can be very subtle

  • @scrumptiousbutternut6129
    @scrumptiousbutternut6129 Před rokem +11

    When I heard about this story I wasn't sure I'd be able to understand a game of chess played at the highest level but your video made it really clear, thanks, it was enjoyable to watch and to listen to. Is it a rule that top chess players have to have kind of crazy looking hair?

    • @daydreamdirty
      @daydreamdirty Před rokem

      Chess can get really complicated and indepth as the better you become the deeper you look and the farther ahead you plan.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Thanks a lot I’m glad to hear! Yeah and talk awkwardly in interviews after 😆

  • @santosozhang1985
    @santosozhang1985 Před rokem +9

    Fischer vs Spassky (1992) round 3 in isolated Ping Pong Room... Fischer did not withdraw. It is a good idea that the tournament moved to an isolated room that Block Radio waves (Signal Proof). It is not good that Carlsen withdrew like that...

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +4

      Yeah agreed, there were better ways to clear the air on this and work towards resolution rather than just withdrawing. I suspect Carlsen now regrets it but needs to manage his next step very carefully

    • @1man1bike1road
      @1man1bike1road Před rokem

      even if the guy cheated its not a good idea i do not believe he cheated but he did bruise a hugte ego Ben Finegold makes some good points about this

    • @EveryoneFlops
      @EveryoneFlops Před rokem

      They should have the next match in a Faraday cage. No signals in or out.

    • @donnieraibert2970
      @donnieraibert2970 Před rokem

      @@EveryoneFlops They should have EVERY high-level match in a Faraday cage, then there's no question or suspicion, except for the wire coming out of the pants leg and leading to another room...

  • @djunclephill422
    @djunclephill422 Před rokem

    💙💙💙👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 thanks for the upload

  • @jimstanz4731
    @jimstanz4731 Před rokem +55

    incredibly brilliant game by black , not surprised they thought he had help. Some of the best moves were very difficult to see and unintuitive, its possible that Magnus had an off day and slightly miscalculated the end game but black was clearly dominating form the mid game onward.

    • @cesco1990
      @cesco1990 Před rokem +14

      It's also possible Magnus is a sore loser?

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple Před rokem +60

      @@cesco1990 When a known pickpocket bumps into you and your wallet goes missing, it's not really a stretch to think they probably stole it.

    • @cesco1990
      @cesco1990 Před rokem

      @@TreantmonksTemple But then again... how do you know someone's a pickpocket?

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple Před rokem +53

      @@cesco1990 If they admit to picking pockets in the past, that's a good start

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple Před rokem +28

      @@cesco1990 Well, if they've been caught pickpocketing before and admit to pickpocketing in the past, I would say that's a pretty strong indicator.

  • @Hustwick
    @Hustwick Před rokem +54

    I think it's worth noting that Magnus thought about withdrawing from the tournament even before it had started when he heard that Hans was replacing Richard Rapport not long before the event was due to start. Hans is suspected of cheating on several occasions recently (more than he's admitted publicly).

    • @gummixx6885
      @gummixx6885 Před rokem +5

      learning plays from ai is cheating? or is the theory wilder; does carlsen think theres an embedded chip in his opponents brain receiving data instructing him on optimal plays? Please enlighten me what is involved in this cheating accusations , im very curious!

    • @Johnny2Feathers
      @Johnny2Feathers Před rokem +4

      Cheaters suck

    • @Hustwick
      @Hustwick Před rokem +20

      @@gummixx6885 Hans' accuracy prior to the tournament has been unprecedented. In Magnus' career he's had 100% accuracy in two matches. Hans has had five recently. Hans' performance has been higher than Magnus, Bobby Fischer, Kasparov ... Etc. All in their prime.

    • @gummixx6885
      @gummixx6885 Před rokem +4

      @@Hustwick and how do you think he achieves this? By imitating ai, is that it? He did his homework, doesn't look like cheating to me tbh but I'm all ears

    • @foochs
      @foochs Před rokem +19

      ​@@gummixx6885 Have you never had a girlfriend? There are apps people can use to send signals to a "embedded" device that turns those signals into vibrations. Their partner would be watching the match (which was livestreamed) and then feeding Magnus's moves into a website or program that would in return display a list of the best moves to make. It would be somewhat like, "bzt bzt bzt bzt . . . bzt bzt bzt . . . . . bzt bzt bzt . . . bzt bzt bzt bzt bzt" with practice you'd be able to "recieve" and understand moves that were transmitted in under the span of a second.

  • @himalayasmeditation4067

    Best chess channel out there! Well said Epic Chess

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot appreciate it! Cheers for watching

  • @The-Dom
    @The-Dom Před rokem +4

    great explanations. much more enjoyable to follow than a lot of pundits.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks glad you enjoyed! Cheers for watching

  • @markkennedy9767
    @markkennedy9767 Před rokem +7

    Chess novice here. I enjoyed that analysis. Subscribed.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Thanks Mark glad you enjoyed and cheers for the feedback and subscribing!

  • @palent4869
    @palent4869 Před rokem

    Learned a lot watching this, thanks

  • @kirkcinnamon8467
    @kirkcinnamon8467 Před rokem

    Thanks very Informative and no extra BS

  • @fantasip
    @fantasip Před rokem +7

    imagine all the chess kids who now just learned it's Okey to cheat 100 times when aiming for the top

  • @generalkenobi4818
    @generalkenobi4818 Před rokem +6

    Nice video! I learned a lot from it, I never really thought too much about my moves but this motivates me to get better.

  • @granthgekko
    @granthgekko Před rokem +1

    Great analysis!

  • @mikelynch-zeroviewz2507
    @mikelynch-zeroviewz2507 Před rokem +2

    That was Fischer/Spassky-esque ! Great game.. thanks !!! 😊

  • @igottajoe9294
    @igottajoe9294 Před rokem +8

    I think the database shows a draw because Magnus retired from the tournament early enough so that the games he played before didn't count. I saw an interview with a member of the tournament organisation on the day it happened and he said that IIRC

    • @daydreamdirty
      @daydreamdirty Před rokem +1

      Makes sense in a way because then you can leave with something intact then- like your reputation or your streak if you happen to have one.

    • @pedestrian_0
      @pedestrian_0 Před rokem +3

      Ah so Magnus got lucky that he resigned early, I would've loved to see him with the L, because he truly got outmatched

    • @gummixx6885
      @gummixx6885 Před rokem

      @@pedestrian_0 lost some class by calling cheater without any evidence at all. Btw learning plays from AI shouldn't be called cheating , right?

    • @dorothygale1104
      @dorothygale1104 Před rokem +1

      @@gummixx6885 The claims of cheating are not because of Hans learning from AI, if that learning was done before the match. The claims of cheating are based upon Hans supposedly getting AI moves signaled to him in some way during the match. To be clear, I’m not saying any cheating has been proved, but just clarifying that the claims or suspicions are based upon moves somehow being signaled to Hans during the match, not because Hans may have used AI to prepare for the match.

    • @jessejordache1869
      @jessejordache1869 Před rokem

      @@dorothygale1104 He was referring to Carlsen. Not a terribly good argument IMO, but... it should at least be cleared up. There have been a lot of articles about "What Magnus has learned from AlphaZero", which I think is what poster was referring to.

  • @videodrone4287
    @videodrone4287 Před rokem +9

    Cheers mate - very great explaining. You do make it sound easy when in fact this game was highest level posible :D I think most people who watch this will think Niemann wasnt cheating - but this is soooo next level, and without giving in much thought in toughest places makes cheating sound as only way to do it

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Thanks a lot glad you enjoyed! Yeah it’s one thing analysing moves it’s another then trying to make the same good decisions haha. That’s where most of us struggle! Yeah I don’t believe he cheated in this game, nothing really to support that

  • @wehitextracellularidiombit4907

    Great explanations

  • @user-jv9qz2bu1r
    @user-jv9qz2bu1r Před rokem

    I like your presentation - Subbed.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Thanks J glad you enjoyed! Cheers for watching and subscribing

  • @binks7831
    @binks7831 Před rokem +3

    I know nothing about chess, but I have learned the accused isn't known for his honesty.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Yeah correct! Thanks for watching all the same

  • @scotta.5681
    @scotta.5681 Před rokem +3

    As a chess enthusiast for 15 years, like many others, I found your analysis easy to follow yet comprehensive. Well done especially when it comes to a game that has garnered so much attention over the past few weeks. I appreciate you leaving out comments about what happened as a result of this game.
    After reading the statement Magnus released regarding his withdrawal from the tournament your analysis makes it easier to understand why he felt that way and believed what he did. Whether or not Hans cheated is less of the point. It relates more to Magnus reservations when Hans was offered a spot to play in the tournament just days before and his concerns about Hans history of cheating before this game was even played. Your clear and concise analysis was a great help! New subscriber and looking forward to future videos from you!
    Well Done!

    • @colaboytje
      @colaboytje Před rokem +1

      Indeed. Magnus is not saying Hans cheated in this game. Magnus is talking about Hans's history and almost impossible accuracy track record.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Scott appreciate it! Cheers for watching

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      No he does suspect cheating in this game! Specifically references it in his statement saying he felt hans played and acted weird etc

    • @user-jv9qz2bu1r
      @user-jv9qz2bu1r Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 yes and hans did not appear nervous (or intimidated) which is irrelevant

    • @colaboytje
      @colaboytje Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 That is indeed what is in his statement, but it is not an accusation. The statement isn't about the game. It is about his history of cheating, and cheating in general. Anyhow, there is an official FIDE investigation now.

  • @c_kennmusic5737
    @c_kennmusic5737 Před rokem

    Brilliant work by the host!

  • @michaelmassaro4375
    @michaelmassaro4375 Před rokem

    Thanks Guy you are one of the best if not the Best I enjoy listening to you break the games down and give insight Tough loss for Magnus it seems people have it in for Hans it would be a shame if he’s innocent and not getting the props he should for playing strong games like this one

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot appreciate it, Michael! And it's James by the way, I only list it in the about section of my channel though

  • @richicr3510
    @richicr3510 Před rokem +5

    this game was crazy very, thanks for analysis and making simple. i do not think hans cheater, magnus make a big blunder when he leave his queen unprotected and allow hans to counter with the bishop 3:37

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Thanks Richi glad you enjoyed and thanks for watching. Yeah be6 was a great move and Magnus was just always struggling after that!

  • @emilcioran8873
    @emilcioran8873 Před rokem +3

    People who are sorry for something are usually sorry because they got caught

  • @boxicool
    @boxicool Před rokem

    Omg so amazing explanation!!! Thank you! Maybe i will start paly chess! Your explanation is really clean and very interesting. Carslen looks like playing against computer! Amazing.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot glad you enjoyed! Yeah it is a great game

  • @scope402
    @scope402 Před rokem +1

    respect for replying to comments. solid breakdown and great insight given

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks Scope appreciate it and yeah doing my best to get back to everyone! Cheers for watching

    • @user-jv9qz2bu1r
      @user-jv9qz2bu1r Před rokem +1

      Pacing is excellent - some chess commentators talk too fast

    • @scope402
      @scope402 Před rokem +1

      @@user-jv9qz2bu1r agreed

  • @SnakeEyeJJ
    @SnakeEyeJJ Před rokem +6

    hey this is a fair analytical analysis of this game devoid of the drama - thanks

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Yeah I never try and over hype things too much tbh! There's enough of that out there. Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed

  • @adamgardener8624
    @adamgardener8624 Před rokem +15

    Nieman got caught cheating twice. He brought this suspicion on himself.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Certainly that has fuelled things! Thanks for watching, Adam

    • @adamgardener8624
      @adamgardener8624 Před rokem

      Your analysis and commentary is cool. Thanks.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      @@adamgardener8624 thanks a lot! Glad you're enjoying

    • @chenyilong9728
      @chenyilong9728 Před rokem

      And yet he was here. I would say, the organizers brought this suspicion on their event, blame them, not Niemann

  • @isurusankalpa9896
    @isurusankalpa9896 Před rokem +1

    great analysis ❤

  • @nelsonbarrantes7349
    @nelsonbarrantes7349 Před rokem +2

    I like your explanations better than Gotham's and much more than Agadmator. Suscribed.

  • @Juancholoco710
    @Juancholoco710 Před rokem +19

    Lol Carlsen felt like his opponents feel when they play against him 🤣

    • @KemosabeTBC
      @KemosabeTBC Před rokem +2

      @Warrior No one cheated in this particular game

    • @patogordo1385
      @patogordo1385 Před rokem

      @@KemosabeTBC how can you know that? Or u are being ironic?

    • @KemosabeTBC
      @KemosabeTBC Před rokem

      @@patogordo1385 Just my feeling. Obviously I don't know

    • @iyanaklein6277
      @iyanaklein6277 Před rokem

      @@KemosabeTBC well, if you're fairly inexperienced who don't really know much about both of their plays before, I'd see why you think that way.

    • @truxton1000
      @truxton1000 Před rokem

      @@KemosabeTBC Really, no one...!?

  • @joakimquensel597
    @joakimquensel597 Před rokem +84

    Can't we just skip this part and fast forward to when Magnus grows a giant beard and emigrate to Iceland?

    • @sandman75sandman97
      @sandman75sandman97 Před rokem +1

      Go grow some hair. And who the hell wanna move to a tiny island where no one lives anyways.

    • @normanno8514
      @normanno8514 Před rokem

      the difference in temperament between fischer and carlsen could not be more stark - fischer was driven to paranoia by the CIA - carlsen will never be anything other than hyper rational - if he thinks the guy is cheating then the gigantic likelihood is that he is cheating

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      I saw this same comment that n Hikaru’s video with a million likes 🤣 good work haha. Thanks for watching Joakim

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Yeah interesting point norman!

    • @joakimquensel597
      @joakimquensel597 Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 Thanks! I posted here first but then Hikarus video came out and I posted a copy (and it got very popular!🙂).

  • @tonyjames1980
    @tonyjames1980 Před rokem

    Love your channel

  • @completesalvation1755

    Nice commentary without unnecessary observations or opinion.

  • @swewunna
    @swewunna Před rokem +79

    After watching this game, I've to agree that it is a prepared variation than cheating. These are rare nowadays as most GMs use engine to analyse opening variations. Carlsen played some imprecise moves unlike him normally and walked into a prepared variation. These were common in the 50s-90s when Soviet Bloc dominate the Chess world.

    • @jyutzler
      @jyutzler Před rokem +11

      A prepared variation on such an obscure line? Could just as easily be plausible deniability.

    • @swewunna
      @swewunna Před rokem +9

      @@jyutzler Obscure in GM data base. Not in Blitz or similar. I've played similar many time with white. Magnus was too complacent with c4 pawn. Even a club level player knows that after trading dark square Bishop, black will try and hold onto c4 pawn and only let go when he is in a better position. Be6 wasa good move though.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine Před rokem +5

      Makes no sense, that would mean HAns orepared for games with several bad carlsen moves in advance, why would he plan or waste ressources on that. No sense at all. Sorry trump logic to me, thats the things i suspect a cheater maybe really

    • @swewunna
      @swewunna Před rokem +16

      @@herzkine You don't play before Engines Chess mate, sorry. You don't have a clue what I was talking about ? You must be Gen Z who has never seen the days Chess games are adjourned. Hans did not prepared Carlsen's bad moves but his optimal moves in obscure line. Your logic is more of Biden Harris built back bad.

    • @jhozthron4415
      @jhozthron4415 Před rokem +4

      I mean if thats the case, why dont they do a bo3 rematch make 100% sure there is noway to cheat, lets see if he holds up, easy way to find out if he cheated.

  • @happyhornet1000
    @happyhornet1000 Před rokem +28

    The online cheating was when he was 12 and it was once, out of thousands of online games. His opening moves matched moves from two previously played games in the databases. The relevant pawn structure, with plausible transpositions into Carlsen v Niemann, had already occurred in a previous well-known Carlsen game against England’s Michael Adams in 2006. Niemann said he asked himself what ideas Carlsen might produce to divert him from his planned Catalan with … Bb4+ and decided to check 5 Nc3, a rare transposition to the Nimzo-Indian. There was also Niemann’s own very recent game against Le Quang Liem at Miami, where 5 g3 (instead of 5 e3 d5 as played) d5 6 a3 could easily transpose into Carlsen v Niemann. And why aren't people looking at the fact that Magnus played so badly, if you watch GM video analysis of the game Magnus made bad moves, entering a bad endgame, with many pawn weaknesses. An ending that most GMs would win. No evidence of cheating here, just evidence of a bad loser!

    • @Kayaking_Germany
      @Kayaking_Germany Před rokem +13

      Niemann himself admitted to cheating when he was an adult as well. And these are just the two times he admitted.
      Do you really think you cheat once when you are 12 and once when you are 18, but never again in between or afterwards?
      These two times were just when he got caught. If you are willing to cheat once, then you are willing to cheat again. As easy as that.

    • @adamlarue2131
      @adamlarue2131 Před rokem +1

      Couldn't read because your first sentence is inaccurate. Please edit to reflect all instances of cheating.

    • @Kayaking_Germany
      @Kayaking_Germany Před rokem +1

      @@adamlarue2131 czcams.com/video/oU6UJz_X8DU/video.html
      I couldn't find the interview, but this is one of those "reaction" videos of the interview. Here he admits that he cheated in multiple games both when he was a kid and an adult.

    • @doroza2lol
      @doroza2lol Před rokem +2

      "The online cheating was when he was 12 and it was once, out of thousands of online games." 2 times caught cheater in online games, how many times did he actually cheat to get his rank is unknown to all of us. If you are willing to cheat in your career than im 100% sure Hans has more cases of this cheating behavior, thats why MANY dont like him and many dont believe him.
      I find it hilarious that people are pointing out his bad interview and analysis and there are people like you, who are defending without having any doubts that hans is sus.

    • @MrBlix87
      @MrBlix87 Před rokem

      (…)once he got caught 🤘🏻

  • @deagle2yadome696
    @deagle2yadome696 Před rokem +1

    Jack Harlow looks so pissed in the thumbnail.

  • @zachhaywood1564
    @zachhaywood1564 Před rokem

    Thank you so much for making high level chess so accessible for an enthusiastic and eager chess noob like myself.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      No worries and thanks a lot for watching, Zach!

  • @ian101284
    @ian101284 Před rokem +51

    I think it’s interesting that Magnus is pretty infamous for making odd moves, taking people out of book, playing unprincipled moves, dragging opponents into endgames etc, and a 19 year old kid plays solid, plays great pawn moves much like an engine, and beats him soundly in the endgame. Sounds a lot like Tyson Douglas; cocky super talented monster vs a man who focused on fundamentals, and fought like he had nothing to lose. Good job Niemann.

    • @ryanmatthews5771
      @ryanmatthews5771 Před rokem +13

      The justifiable reasons for criticizing Hans is his admitted history of cheating online as well as his awful analysis (compared to his otb rating) and nervousness in interviews.
      There is a reason he is suspected, and it’s not solely because Magnus implied it.

    • @neepers
      @neepers Před rokem

      @@ryanmatthews5771 but how could he have cheated?

    • @normanno8514
      @normanno8514 Před rokem +1

      carlsen never has been and will never be "cocky" - he gets people out of book and plays unprincipled moves only in bullet and blitz

    • @ryanmatthews5771
      @ryanmatthews5771 Před rokem +1

      @@neepers if I knew that don’t you think everyone else would?

    • @neepers
      @neepers Před rokem +2

      ​@@ryanmatthews5771 Well that's my point. There's this insinuation of cheating--and then no suggestions on how that could have happened. It's like that's where the logic stops, and people seem ok with that.
      Let's say he cheated--okay, so how COULD that have been done? What feasible options exist that are both above the strict security measures taken by those in charge, and feasible to do in real time, such to the point that it beats the best chess player in the world, while under video recording, and the scrutiny of tens of thousands of people?
      Nothing. That technology doesn't exist. And if it did exist, it wouldn't be in the hands of some poor 19 year old kid.
      You're suspect of cheating and don't even know what kind of cheating it might be? Is the logic so weak that you can't even imagine what it could be?
      It's just logically weak.

  • @dietergilian1403
    @dietergilian1403 Před rokem +17

    Amazing result from Hans, that he found all those moves so fast almost impossible!

  • @chesswatch7670
    @chesswatch7670 Před rokem +1

    Great analysis.

  • @daddo2413
    @daddo2413 Před rokem

    Wow good to see the various moves, and potential moves.

  • @DrBill-zv5dx
    @DrBill-zv5dx Před rokem +6

    I was taught by a Middle Eastern Champion when I was in my late teens ..we must have played over 10,000 games over the last 40 years. My level is 2700. I can’t go any higher . I’ve been stuck here for about 10 years. These guys are out of my level . I might beat them one in a hundred games .

    • @chenyilong9728
      @chenyilong9728 Před rokem

      Please correct me if I'm wrong. If your level is 2700, for you to beat them once in a hundred game would mean they are +677 = 3377 elo. (source: wikipedia page about Elo)

  • @arbysauce100
    @arbysauce100 Před rokem +23

    Hans isn’t helped by the fact he couldn’t look more sus if he tried.

    • @Iliketordles
      @Iliketordles Před rokem +5

      I'd look sus too if I was being accused publicly of something...whether I did it or not.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +7

      Certainly there’s been a few factors that have fuelled things against him but it’s a classic circumstantial witch hunt in my view, thankfully his interview has shifted the narrative on that though

    • @mapachetapatio
      @mapachetapatio Před rokem +2

      @@Iliketordles exactly ... that's why we should not accept accusations without evidence

    • @neepers
      @neepers Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 totally agree. He went though all the security protocols as everyone else, and he has had a consistent rise through the FIDE rankings. I think people want the king to stay the king and can't wrap their head around the idea that it's possible their idol has legitimately lost to someone else.
      Unless concrete evidence exists, this is clearly a witch hunt.

    • @neepers
      @neepers Před rokem

      Hans is responding in the way an honest person would respond--I'm not sure if you're familiar with body language analysis, but people who are lying and know it don't have emotional responses to things that would normally bother people. Hans is clearly upset by these accusations and doesn't look like Amber Heard.

  • @khkartc
    @khkartc Před rokem +1

    “You don’t need proof when you’ve got instincts” - Joe Cabot, _Reservoir Dogs_

  • @FloydMaxwell
    @FloydMaxwell Před rokem +2

    This is the kind of game that bears looking at several times. I'm on my third viewing now, here.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      yeah it is pretty complex, I thought that too when analysing, it really was superbly played, reminded me so much of what Magnus usually does to his opponents

  • @pineapple3832
    @pineapple3832 Před rokem +26

    looks like Hans just beat him, to be honest. Before I saw this I thought, Hans and Magnus had made just one or two moves and then Magnus saw some strategy far ahead that was clear he was cheating. But after watching this it looks like it was a prolonged game, where you can't really memorize that many moves, and hans just outplayed him on the fly.

    • @devilsolution9781
      @devilsolution9781 Před rokem +3

      I agree

    • @marzipanhunt2870
      @marzipanhunt2870 Před rokem +3

      Hi. I disagree. niemann is a cheater using an engine.

    • @seppe3180
      @seppe3180 Před rokem +4

      @@marzipanhunt2870 0 prove

    • @marsdenphoto
      @marsdenphoto Před rokem +5

      You do realise Hans made 45 perfect moves in a row. Carlsen knew he was up to something suspect

    • @braven07
      @braven07 Před rokem +4

      It was clear that Hans was using a computer engine when you plug in the moves. He played at 100% accuracy which is impossible, even for Magnus.

  • @JoeTakagi00
    @JoeTakagi00 Před rokem +1

    What an excellent recap

  • @daniellanglois8807
    @daniellanglois8807 Před rokem +1

    White plays the losing move at 7:33. Here is my two cents about how White lost -- with g4 White quickly goes down a pawn -- the g4 pawn. White is already down a pawn, though, so put it this way: 'now down 2 pawns'!! This is the key move, White's g4, played in the endgame, an endgame that could easily have been drawn. And, Magnus played it putting that pawn en pris, yet thinking it wasn't as simple as that. It was, though, as simple as that, he goofed up. Probably he didn't realize that Black's knight on the rim could so easily be make it to the center, from which it is much more useful, defending four of Black's pawns. Black's f7 pawn is defended, Black's e4 and b7 pawn, Black's f5 pawn, they're defended. White simply loses, having invested a pawn of his own in breaking Black up somehow. The g4 pawn was supposed to be disruptive -- if Black repies with ...f5xg4 then White attacks the e4 pawn or *at least*, White gains a pawn *somewhere*. This didn't happen, oops.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Yeah all good points and not Magnus' best game, his first poor move was Rfd1 though, walking into Be6, and then he was always struggling after that! thanks for watching, Daniel

  • @Fixologist1
    @Fixologist1 Před rokem +11

    10:25 Magnus should have taken the knight. He then had at least one of the connected pawns, maybe both.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Certainly could have been one of his better tried but was all so tough really! Thanks for watching

  • @armchair8258
    @armchair8258 Před rokem +5

    That idea of Nd6 e3 Ne3 at the end is crazy. I think magnus missed it but somehow Hans did not.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Yeah really incredible sequence, his squeeze of this endgame was truly incredible 2800+ level chess on display. It’s insane how his hard work is starting to pay off

    • @armchair8258
      @armchair8258 Před rokem +3

      @@epicchess2021 The hard work paid off 😉 😄

    • @thememaster7
      @thememaster7 Před rokem

      I guess future Niemann games will reveal at least some light?

    • @donnieraibert2970
      @donnieraibert2970 Před rokem

      A Faraday cage would end the possibility of cheating, and that would definitely help the game in general.

  • @Mrclean431
    @Mrclean431 Před rokem

    If i could suggest a little bit of help for us. The knowledge n preperation for the video top notch. The examples of why n why not to do something. Very helpful.
    However when flashing back to the real game. It happens to quick sometimes. So perhaps a bright red border while u are explaining other options they didnt take. So when on red we know its you expkaining n when no red. We understand we are back to the actual game. Had to rewind several times.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Thanks Darryl, yeah my target audience is usually people into chess but I might have to consider these things if I want to reach a wider audience. Appreciate the thoughts

  • @paradigmerr
    @paradigmerr Před rokem

    Great job

  • @brianinski
    @brianinski Před rokem +26

    Let's look at the game between Niemann and Carlsen.
    13. Rfd1 instead of the correct Bxf6
    21 c4 - sacrificing a pawn for very little compensation
    28 g4??
    30 a4 instead of Bxc4
    Niemann also didn't play the most accurate moves to bring home the point.
    Carlsen lost because he played badly in this game and not because of any computer-like brilliance from Niemann.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Defo get your pov altho I wouldn’t go so far as to say Carlsen played badly, some inaccuracies yday but I thought it was more just exceptional prep and then technique from hand to grind out the small edge. Thanks for watching, Altruism

    • @showlottathings
      @showlottathings Před rokem +1

      How many hundreds of times have you copied and pasted that same response?

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      @@showlottathings I write them all individually tbf, usually am replying off my mobile for one thing! I like to get back to everyone but it's getting harder to stay on top of them all

    • @showlottathings
      @showlottathings Před rokem

      @@epicchess2021 oops, that was meant for @Altruism, who has been spamming the same message all over the place?

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      @@showlottathings ohhhhh 😁

  • @alexanderchin5597
    @alexanderchin5597 Před rokem +3

    I analyzed this game too... Hans didn't cheat. He committed a lot of mistakes and inaccuracies. The same with Magnus , he made a losing move .

    • @jaysmith2858
      @jaysmith2858 Před rokem

      Are you willing to bet your life on that? His previous 'indiscretions' suggest that doing such a thing wouldn't be the most sensible or logical of actions.

  • @Mrfairchap
    @Mrfairchap Před rokem +1

    I don't believe that Hans cheated in this particular game. Analysis showed that Magnus had several chances to win or at least force a draw and he missed them. I just think that Hans had a good day and Magnus a bad one.

  • @danskkr
    @danskkr Před rokem +1

    Amazing narration, totally enthralled, but how did it break the internet? You promised you explain the fallout at the end of the video and all you did was mention a tweet which you didn't even show!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks a lot and Sorry about that, at the time of recording I didn’t think would get so big and I’d covered a lot of the drama in other videos on the channel so didn’t want to go too deep on this one, but now it misleads from the start but never my intention. Hopefully some other videos on channel will help eg ‘explained the biggest cheating scandal’

  • @redlion6031
    @redlion6031 Před rokem +4

    Magnus did not expect to lose to Niemann and he cant accept it.

  • @Eye_Radiate_Light
    @Eye_Radiate_Light Před rokem +11

    Looks like Magnus just tries to make obvious exchanges and Hans never obliges

    • @patogordo1385
      @patogordo1385 Před rokem

      Might have been just cheating

    • @whycomes9562
      @whycomes9562 Před rokem

      Hans also plays games, over 30 moves and in some cases over 40 moves perfectly with 100% accuracy. Bobby Fisher didnt have one 100% game.

    • @Eye_Radiate_Light
      @Eye_Radiate_Light Před rokem

      @@whycomes9562 He might've just perfected the art of playing perfect games vs certain openings. Why is it impossible? Because nobody else has achieved it? If that were the case then nothing would ever be achieved and no record would ever be broken. If there is so much paranoia in chess that one cannot accept the possibility that the 'impossible' might be possible, it means the game has been officially 'beaten' and the design/rules should be changed as Bobby Fisher advocated. This whole debacle is only proving Fisher correct. With a randomized system a computer couldn't figure that out for at least for the next 100 years. I'm sure even Magnus Carlsen wouldn't even object to revolutionizing chess as he could still transfer his old skills to the new game and the game would become fun and interesting for him again.

    • @whycomes9562
      @whycomes9562 Před rokem

      @@Eye_Radiate_Light Ok, 15, 20 moves. But over 30, 40? Not buying it. These were beyond opening moves. This continued into the endgame through the middle game.
      As for changing the rules. Not necessary because unlike computers, humans are not perfect, unless your name is Hans neimann of course. Maybe he should play with other computers.

    • @kwajy08
      @kwajy08 Před rokem +1

      @@Eye_Radiate_Light The 100% accuracy is now in question. The method for the computation is faulty. She used multiple chess engines. As long as one engine found it to be a number one move it was counted as the best move. But other engines did not find that to be a good move. Just that one engine.

  • @mizofan
    @mizofan Před rokem +2

    Sensible level-headed presentation.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Thanks mizofan glad you enjoyed. Cheers for watching

  • @heinzguderian2521
    @heinzguderian2521 Před rokem

    Fantastic breakdown showing the negative implications of moves a novice like me would make and why these players made the moves they did. I wish I had your clarity of thought and level of concentration.
    Can I ask; how long does it take you to figure out why they made the moves they make / what the implications and possibilities are?

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +3

      Thanks a lot, Heinz! Usually takes me about an hour and a half to analyse then record, depends on complexity of game! Cheers for watching hope to see you again in future!

    • @heinzguderian2521
      @heinzguderian2521 Před rokem +1

      @@epicchess2021 Impressive - certainly in terms of commitment. The speed at which you flew through the game made me think 'maybe chess isn't so difficult after all'....then to be demolished by my chess app.

  • @thecalmbeforethemaelstrom

    I'm just a casual player and I don't know the background of either chess player. It seemed to me that Magnus played some very risky and aggressive moves. There were 2 moments where I was like "How did Hans see that?" But for the most part, it just seemed like smart and safe defensive play.

  • @danijayyy1
    @danijayyy1 Před rokem +9

    I have a feeling that the rematch is going to look like Roy Jones Jr extracting revenge on Montell Griffin after his loss.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Did he beat the crap out of him or something? I had to google that one as I don’t know detailed boxing stuff!

    • @stevepayne2795
      @stevepayne2795 Před rokem +2

      It definitely won't be a Roy Jones vs calzaghe rematch, there can only be one winner.

    • @jackzeldon2883
      @jackzeldon2883 Před rokem +1

      This post it hysterical...... Great Reference..... however, in fairness, Montell Griffin was an established Elite Boxer who was undefeated & had just defeated the great James Toney 2x & was seen as a threat to the Great Roy Jones - who rarely lost a Round.... Griffith fought a great fight & was even on the scored when Jones was DQ'd for hitting Griffin while taking a knee...... In the rematch Jones just destroyed Griffin......
      I respect everyone's opinion but Hans came out of nowhere & IMO capitalized on Magnus' mistake & won fair & square......
      Magnus sore loser routine may seriously hurt his chances in the rematch b/c the aura of invincibility is gone & poor sportsmanship is going to seriously dent Magnus' status w/ the public
      No shame in losing - not accepting it however is really difficult to overcome - either way Great post!

  • @jessejordan8116
    @jessejordan8116 Před rokem +1

    Really nice narrative of the game.

  • @bj11755
    @bj11755 Před rokem +2

    I don’t understand why it’s be expected on move 13 (3:35) to move queen to e2 I don’t see what wasting a move like that accomplishes when you can threaten his queen in that same move. I’m not all that familiar with chess but I wonder if this is a case of thinking too far forward and expecting your opponent to do the same.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Usually when the queen is attacked it moves, it's rarer to see counter attack moves and so they can be easily missed when calculating. So possibly this is what Carlsen missed in his calculations OR he saw the continuation and just mis-evaluated

  • @redneckrambo9626
    @redneckrambo9626 Před rokem +34

    As a classified idiot, chess is incredibly difficult for me to follow. Most channels go so deep that I lose the ability to follow what's happening pretty much instantly.
    This is the first channel I've come across where it's all drawn out so clearly I can actually understand wtf is happening 😂 I appreciate that

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Oh awesome haha really glad to hear. Thanks for watching

    • @XxxXxx-br7eq
      @XxxXxx-br7eq Před rokem

      You may be a grandmaster if you started playing at 4 years old with coaching (like most GM's) don't sell yourself short.

  • @blaze1148
    @blaze1148 Před rokem +18

    Niemans awesome preparation for that opening threw Carlsen.....but of course if he escaped with a win or a draw nothing would have been insinuated....winning streak over and pride hurt me thinks.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +1

      Yeah you’re right I think !

    • @neepers
      @neepers Před rokem +1

      agree!

    • @jhutfre4855
      @jhutfre4855 Před rokem +1

      Carlsen did lose in the past and never accused nobody till now.

    • @blaze1148
      @blaze1148 Před rokem

      @@jhutfre4855 It is only because Hans cheated a couple of times 'online'.....and of course Carlsens defeat ended his 54 winning streak OTB and took him further away from 2900 ELO.

  • @dagifelner9298
    @dagifelner9298 Před rokem

    Thank you for explaining.
    It s a shame , that He didn't get His success verified and counted!!!!!!!!

  • @alekseyaleksey5512
    @alekseyaleksey5512 Před rokem

    Fun video, thanks.

  • @soyouknow8207
    @soyouknow8207 Před rokem +7

    Niemann finally squeezed in a win against Magnus.

  • @davidhertzberg
    @davidhertzberg Před rokem +3

    I read an article in the WSJ about this match and found your video. I am a complete chess novice but can follow your excellent analysis above -- the best I have seen thus far -- for which I thank you. There is a lot of talk about "cheating." I wonder... how does one "cheat" at over the board chess? I am genuinely curious... does not seem like it is possible.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +2

      Oh cool and thanks for the kind words and letting me know how you found the video. Really interesting how a cheating scandal in any sport suddenly peaks interest from people regardless of whether they previously followed the sport much. Cheating in chess is pretty simple really, especially at the amateur level, because with phones being so powerful now you can have a ‘super computers’ in your pocket crunching the moves and telling you the best move to play in a position. So say a player went to the toilet with his phone he could check it. Now or course they are very tight on that and pro level (and they try to be at amateur level but it’s difficult). But even at pro level there are subtle ways you could cheat if you were really determined. Like I dunno say someone smuggled a phone into a particular toilet cubicle and hid it in a specific discrete spot…or you had some crazy minute ear piece that didn’t get detected in ear piece. Or one theory that was going around which was highly unlikely that as that one or Magnus Carlsen team ‘leaked’ to Hans what Magnus would play in the opening but that was l just a bit silly. So yeah long and short is that any kind or access to a chess engine, either directly or indirectly through someone else will allow a player to cheat and if they are determined enough you could probably find ways to arrange it!

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem

      Oh cool and thanks for the kind words and letting me know how you found the video. Really interesting how a cheating scandal in any sport suddenly peaks interest from people regardless of whether they previously followed the sport much. Cheating in chess is pretty simple really, especially at the amateur level, because with phones being so powerful now you can have a ‘super computers’ in your pocket crunching the moves and telling you the best move to play in a position. So say a player went to the toilet with his phone he could check it. Now or course they are very tight on that and pro level (and they try to be at amateur level but it’s difficult). But even at pro level there are subtle ways you could cheat if you were really determined. Like I dunno say someone smuggled a phone into a particular toilet cubicle and hid it in a specific discrete spot…or you had some crazy minute ear piece that didn’t get detected in ear piece. Or one theory that was going around which was highly unlikely that as that one or Magnus Carlsen team ‘leaked’ to Hans what Magnus would play in the opening but that was l just a bit silly. So yeah long and short is that any kind or access to a chess engine, either directly or indirectly through someone else will allow a player to cheat and if they are determined enough you could probably find ways to arrange it!

    • @davidhertzberg
      @davidhertzberg Před rokem +4

      @@epicchess2021 Thank you. I take it from your reply, then, that if two people sit across the table from one another and do not get up, and there are no phones or other electronic devices available to them, and they are scanned with scanners to make sure that there are no electronics attached to their bodies, then there cannot be any cheating. Did Hans get up and go to the bathroom during the match? Ccertainly that sort of cheating strategy is known, so bathrooms must be checked and monitored to make sure that nobody goes in and places a phone or some other device. From what I can see, there is no grounds whatsoever for him to be accused of such. Sounds to me like it sour grapes on the other side.

    • @epicchess2021
      @epicchess2021  Před rokem +5

      @@davidhertzberg yeah you've summed it up pretty perfectly. What fuelled this fire was some past cheating he did online at younger ages plus guys like Hikaru stoking things in comments he made on his channel. then also a whole bunch of circumstancial evidence that was used to fit a narrative. No one has presented anything hard at all

    • @winzyl9546
      @winzyl9546 Před rokem

      Anal beads or a prostate vibrator, in my experience prostate vibrator is better. Then have someone on the inside that can access the real time feed or see the board as they play, then simply turn on the vibrator everytime the game is in a crucial stage based on engine calculations. You need to be good at edging for this to work though.