Subwoofer Shootout | DIY Subwoofer which will do the BEST
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2021
- Subwoofer shootout! Three DIY subwoofer are being tested today All of them will give you almost identical frequency responses, but which one hits the hardest, sounds the best and overall is just the most fun? Hopefully this video will help point you in the direction if you are looking at building your own.
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Subwoofers Tested:
MX15-22 (Orange)- PE: bit.ly/mx1522
RSS390Ho-4 (Blue)- PE: bit.ly/3ioDYFl or Amazon: amzn.to/3zezWq6
SDX 12 (Black)- PE bit.ly/3sAK4WQ or Amazon: amzn.to/3BkMJsA
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compare them with svs pb 16 ultra!!
This was fun to do, lot's of bass.. So much bass when we had both my 15s and your one 15 going. Made it hard to be in the room very long, that pounding of the chest is a new experience.
Seriously. I had to leave. Then I had to ask you to turn it down because I was afraid you're going to shake something off the walls downstairs. And we were upstairs..
Just the title of this had me click so fast. DIY subwoofer shootout, what could be better!!!
What I think is insane is people who go out and buy the most expensive sub they can find. ( thinking? this is the top line lol) currently, the single most expensive sub is REL Acoustics S/812 priced at $3299. and a pair of SVS PB16-Ultra priced at $5600 lol. I would never buy a ready-made sub regardless of price or company. always DIY.
the yellow socks are a no no LOL
The video we've been waiting for since you did the community post is finally here. You did amazing as always Nick! Thank you!
Thank you Elliott
Get MX15 and a SDX-12 and run both. Best of both worlds
The opening scene to Don't Breathe will also shake the house
Fantastic video! Cone area is king!
The intro to edge of tomorrow and the opening scene from “the nun” almost destroyed my subwoofers, absolutely insane I’m pretty sure one of them goes down to 10hz, it’s made me have to redesign my subwoofer enclosures into 6th order bandpasses just to bring the tuning lower to handle the frequency better, since my amps don’t have subsonic filters
I just got the 12 " Dayton he . But I need to design and build a cabinet but it's a beast
I like this style of video man it was a nice change
Thanks Scott. It was fun just hanging out and listening to subwoofers as well. I wish there was a god way to allow others to experience what we did on their end in CZcams. I guess our subjective take will have to do.
I plan on getting the CSS SDX-12 (w/dual passive kit) and power it with a Crown XLS and MiniDSP Flex using Dirac
How would you compare the MX15 to the SB Audience 12 you used for the Audience 212? What if one swapped the SB Audience for the MX15s?
great video ....i would want to use the mx15 for music and movies......
Avr sub out to pro amp / passive sub. And how would i connect 2 pro amps off the single sub out?
great video man
I have plans to build a diy subwoofer enclosure, small to medium sized room. I want to be down at the 18-20hz tuning. I'm looking at the HO 15 and HE 15 from Dayton Audio. I wanna put a Dayton SA1000 on it. Would you think the 950watts from the sa1000 would do the HO justice? I noticed you ran about half that power and said it could benefit from more power. What are you thoughts?
Awesome Video 😊
What's up brother I have a question I just bought a crown cl1 and looking for the right sub I know I want a 15 not sure what one would be best I need ed to perform great on home theater and also perform well for music if you have any advice on the box and the sub I'd appreciate it
So....what about room treatment? Do you have any in the room?
Great video
Anyone know if these guys used a build guide for any of these subs or made a video that went over building these subs?
Only thing missing was the Ultimax 15, otherwise awesome video.
I know. I really wish I had one on hand. That is one subwoofer I would have loved to have tested with these.
Thanks for doing this review. Was going with the css but might change to the mx 15. I am looking around around and no where has the the css for $330. Parts Express $375 ....CDs website $425. Thanks
CSS website $425
I have the SVS SB1000... 12" sub. Think its like 13x13x14 in size. I would prefer a ported design to get lower.. will the MX15 go lower, louder in a similar size box? For that matter are there links to the plans to build the box (with port and brace) for that sub? Also, I ordered the NX6000D amp.. will that power two of these no problem? Still trying to figure out how much more bass one of these would be than the SB1000.. which already shakes the crap out of my room when I have it going loud. Would the CSS SDX12 XBL2 be a similar speaker.. at almost 2x the price.. not really sure if it would be worth it to go that route for a smaller box with more bass output if it can.
The enclosure of the SB1000 is very small. It uses a lot of eq to get low, so its limited in output. If you want high output at low volumes, you need a bigger enclosure. There is no other way. The 15 inch subs need also much bigger enclosures to work sealed. Let alone ported. Look at how big the pb 2000 from svs is. This is the size you need
Thanks for the video. I'm surprised that the CSS 12" sounds better at high SPL... Maybe because of the dual PR design, sharing the excursion, eliminating port noise?
Yeah we were really surprised by it as well. We're not really sure what the reasoning was. There was no audible Port noise from either sub. But I think you might be onto something with the pacifier dealer design in general.
Probably is the surround size and spider design cause looser spiders and higher rolls mean better flex or better sound at peak SPL cause the sub flexes more and quicker when given big power.
@@Toid
Isn't the CSS a xbl² design?
That may explain the perceived result.
If well implemented, it would offer up a perceptual difference in clean, hitting power (maintains it's magnetic strenth/control out to the Xmax, then pulling back in).
The magnetic design is an
effective means to a wide/flat BL curve, ie., the motor exerts a more constant force throughout it's excursion.
A xbl² motor isn't the only path to linearizing the force thru the stroke. Also, merely implementing xbl² doesn't guarantee anything... the remaining elements need to be down for it too.
Nice shootout.
Sealed boxes always sound better at maximum excursion because of their inherent design, ported wins every time in my book though. Specifically 6th order bandpass
I wonder if the MX15 is as sensitive at low volume as the RSS, I DJ on occasion and love Bass. I push my woofers with the xti2002 as well and listen to my system at home daily which is much lower volume MOST of the time. Was the RSS LOUDest? (I've heard it was most responsive. Which speaker started getting loud before it started it's full excursion? (Know what I mean?) Jus' wondering.
The RSS was not loudest. The mx15 was louder. However keep in mind that we tuned the RSS really low which cut down on the wattage we could give it.
Wow 🔥
Which type of paint are u used for the orange
Did u paint it with a roller 🤪
Could you please share your enclosure design? thanks
Subbed. Great video
Thank you.
One more in the mix is Dayton Audio UM15-22. The CSS sounds better because the inductance is lower with the shorting ring, The UM15 (SQL-15 as well). Will beat all these drivers.
I already broke my roof window the window latches etc. With my Digital Designs 715D and its amazing when watching movies so id be very curious on how well it competes with one of these in a car my sub did a 149DB@47hz on 2k watts.
Wow! That's insane! My guess is with the box I designed, you'd get better spl and the mx would go lower in frequency. Having said that, that's dang impressive!
@@Toid i was shocked as well getting some electrical upgrades and a 5kw amp soon and yes later on i want to run the sub in a 29hz tuned enclosure reason is Frank Bascus and his buddy did a 146DB@29hz using the same sub only issue is space in my vehicle 😅
@@erikbritz8095 wow that's insane!
For a reference point, how big do you think the room was? Might help with people's calculations for what they need.
Regardless i need a room of 8 to 12x15 inch subs 🤣 i wanna make the bricks warp and float shit 😎
10k to 50k watts indoors lol
I use 500watt dayton plate, set hipass to 70 hz 3.75 cu ft per side duodayton18s @8 ohm . It never disappointed me
The explosion in Swordfish, the depth charging scenes in U-571 and Das Boot, the beginning of Toy Story 2, the rocket launch and rocket separation scene in Apollo 13, the pod race in Star Wars Episode 1, the chase scene in The Hulk, (Ed Norton version), the beginning of Armageddon, the 50 calibre fire in Smoking Aces, the house demolition scene in I, Robot. All great LFE excerpts that I use to demo my pair of SVS-B4s and 2 Yamaha P7000S power amps running in bridge mono.
Do you have a cut sheet for this design?
What are the SPL MEASUREMENTS. I hate when people just say oh wow that was loud! Without anything to back it up and compared to others subwoofers.
Maybe I missed, it, but did you match the output levels for each subwoofer using something like bandwidth-limited pink noise prior to the testing ?
We are not testing full range speakers we are testing subwoofers and the limits of them. Which one your going to get the most bang for your buck. If we made them both the same we would never know which one had the most output.
However, the title of the video says which will do the BEST, not which will do the LOUDEST :-). That's probably why a 10" subwoofer with an 18mm Xmax in a 2.5 cu.ft. enclosure has been the "best" subwoofer for my HT system for years. It can easily keep up with the rest of my modest HT system up to as loud as I'd ever want to play it, and I've never felt the need to upgrade.
As for my car audio system, that requires a bit more, so a 10" woofer in a vented enclosure definitely would not be enough :-).
@@Grommet2007 I guess it comes down to your Interpretation of the best. Something could be the best at bass output, while another the the best at clarity. It's all personal perspective, Nick and I both have a decent amount of exposure to subwoofers and both have different tastes in our bass. Yet the conclusions came to the same. That MX 15 Is an absolute beast and for the overall value to sound and output hands down wins.
Oh best bang for buck in the $200 category is the Stereo Integrity HT-18 v3. bigger box though but great output for $199
I swear I saw a Dayton mx15-22 build guide a while ago but can’t find it
Not sure if this will help: toidsdiyaudio.com/community/diy-subwoofers/max-x-high-excursion-15-subwoofer-for-only-200-build-ideas/
Did you measure SPL for each of the subs at full tilt?
I wish we could have. It we tried using some free apps on the phone, but they were just not accurate. Next time, I'll have to buy an spl meter. Have any suggestions on which one to get?
@@Toid SPL LAB - it can read THD🙂
@@LivinLoudwithAndy thanks Andy! I'm going to check that out right now. I appreciate your answer.
@@Toid anytime man 💪🏼
@@LivinLoudwithAndy...beat me to it. It's a very good SPL meter.
Rogue One - when the death star fires at the end.
I have a jewel of a sub .
But did you demo the ISO 100 for Robbie?
Honestly, no. I really should have. But he was kind enough to spend his vacation with me, so we really just messed around with his subs more than anything else.
@@Toid Vacations are for having fun, which you two did. Plenty of time for the 100 later once things loosen up even more.
Could we please get the MX15-22 max SPL at 20, 25 and 31 hz and details of the MX15-22 enclosure please. PE shoes about 4.3ft ported for 24hz and this video example is WAY bigger than 4.3 feet. I cannot make slot or rectangle ports, how many 4 inch round ports and how long are they for 5-6 foot enclosure tuned for 25hz? I've been asking for this about 2 years now. Thanks for any help that doesn't refer me to another fun but uninformative video.
What would you consider the best sounding HIFI speaker you have build and is listed on your CZcams channel?
If size isn't an issue, The Sound Stage 15's. If it is, then I would say the eso 7's.
@@Toid I will go watch the video's right now :-)) Thanks :-))
@@adriaan7627 you're welcome
@@Toid I'm wondering: Why don't you tell about the Eso 7's? No sound wave measurements and other details about the sound quality. The Sound Stage 15''s is very interesting, great sound and that for a PA design. I'm really curious if I can get the speakers to be sold in Europe. (Import tax form the USA :P )
@@adriaan7627 unfortunately when I got around to finalizing the eso7's, I was in the middle of moving across the country. I forgot to save the Omnimic measurement, so it was my fault. It measures very flat, but the Sound stage 15 is just all enveloping which is really nice. I'm not sure where you're located, but I think those parts can be sourced from sound imports or variant hi-fi.
The HO sucks, I blew (2) up fairly easy….. A Kicker 12” Can out pound that HO 15”
tuned to 20hz, blah useless.
Care to expand?
Unless it's live rock in a club,...
Or a 45hz burp box max dBSPL car...
20hz tune ftw, home theater after all.
audio nerds smh
Stop using these junk 1000 watt home / Dayton Speakers …..
if you want bass and lows. Start buying actual subs. Like sundown audio z series. 3000/6000 watt subs. Dc audio. There are so many more better subs out there.
@specialformula14 Those sundowns are like 3x the price. That's like saying why buy a Ford Focus when you consider a BMW a better car.
It's just ignorant and not helpful.
Lmao what a dud of a comment.