The twisted pathways to the next Matildas and Socceroos | Saving Football
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- Adam Peacock, Robbie Slater and Stan Sport's Mark Bonsich have reunited to examine the issues facing Australian football. In this video, they tackle the elite development of young players and coaches.
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What Robbie and Bozza forgot to say was that when they were coming up through the system there were NSL clubs around and a direct pathway for them that paid their 1st grade and youth team players, but did not obtain any payments from the youth team players. The NSL teams also travelled up and down the coast of Australia. They were able to do this without big television money, so they should be able to do it now, or at a highly reduced rate. My brother and I played in the same system and we were still provided with competent coaches sometimes even ex NSL players or Socceroos. There is no way my parents could have afforded for us to play rep football, if they were expected to pay large amounts of money. If the clubs back then had charged the equivalence of what the youth teams charge today, we may not have had the likes of a Kewell, Cahill, Slater, Emerton, Chipperfield, Craig Johnson or Bozza. This is a big part of the problem. Even to play for your state, you are now required to pay a few thousand dollars. This should be an honour. What other major football nation makes their elite pay thousands of dollars. There must be many parents who can't afford these costs so their children remain playing club football where they fail to develop to their full potential, or they choose to have them play another sport or activity. This is the reality, especially now in harsh economic times. If the NPL clubs add on academies aren't the kids only going to learn the same things over and over in a structured environment. Isn't this the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. There is also too many youth rep teams in the Sydney competition, that amounts to 48 teams which waters down the talent. My boys came through the rep system around the time of Robbie's Tom, as my eldest played against him, and my nephew is playing in it now, and the standard is honestly going backwards, and this is why for a few years now, we have a limited amount of Socceroos playing in major leagues around the world. There is just very little individuality and skill. You can only learn skills and individuality, through repetition, from unstructured play with friends and learning how to get yourself out of tight situations, which is discouraged today. What I see is that we are coaching robots who possess very little skill but are big, work hard and are tenacious, all valuable attributes, but this will only get you so far. Encourage children at a young age to play different sports so they learn different movement patterns rather than making them just play one sport, which predisposes children to over use injuries because the movement patterns are all constantly the same. It is also madness the clubs expect the kids to train 3 times a week and then train with an academy another 2 times a week and then have them play on the weekend. This is a recipe for burnout.
thank you for this episode, oversea player that moved here almost 10 years ago. All clubs i have been to as a coach, i have been seen as threat not not an addition to the club. Australia has great former players that can help this country instead we have people that don't have any idea about the game running youth teams. 3/4 sessions to get C licence and let them be in charge of our next generation of matildas and socceroos won't work.
i'm the product of that France system change in the 90 they are talking about
Well done again, gentlemen we need to bring as much noise as possible to this topic. There is definitely a lot of players getting overlooked and need to start doing something about it.
You guys are speaking absolute Facts, i used to watch Victory and City games and genuinely attend games at etihad and AAMI park not every week but occasionally with mates, but the gap in direction and inclusivity with the fans has actually pushed more young kids to support clubs abroad like a Serie A, La Liga, Ligue 1, Bundesliga and most Popular premier league and their parents buy the shirts for them online anyways so that connection of going to Swan St Soccer Fever and getting an A League shirt printed is practically relegated to the Online Market now where your Child wants say a Paris PSG Mbappe kit for example instead of an A league shirt for a similar price after numbers printing etc and fuel to go out and get it, when you can sit back order have delivered and stress free with a shipping fee, People underate this Factor as the big clubs will always be big but the facts are you're more likely to see a Milan or Dortmund or Juventus, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern, Atletico, Barca and many more clubs shirt in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, anywhere in Australia tbh than an A League club shirt and that's an awful look for the game on a local and grass roots level which the A League level quite frankly and honestly still is.
Real world current primary school aged kids discussion amongst parents that I hear all the time..."Don't put them (your kids) into soccer it is too expensive. Put them into Auskick it costs nothing and they will have more fun". Why should I pay $1500+ for my 7 year old to be in an NPL academy team? Absolute rubbish.
For just once I want one bloke to say how they can reduce fees. We all know that's the problem. I have yet to read or hear of anybody who has offered a solution to reducing fees. NOT ONE.
I agree, you play club football and rep football there are 2 sets of fees. Its horrendous.
I understand that a Leagues Club on the Central Coast subsidizes the junior code such that it cost less than $100 to register your child to play inc the players kit. It was about 6-7 years ago I heard that about this. The subsidy was provided because they have social clubs with pokies, restaurants, bars etc that provide income other than just club memberships and ticket sales.
@@ruddo1970 Great. Now do every NPL club in Australia.
@@MunrubenmuzBe great if they could!
How can Slater ask how do AFL and NRL do it so cheap? Multi billion dollar TV deals is how. And also everyone knows where the junior fees are going and that's to pay seniors first team wages. Why doesn't anyone ever talk about that?
Good segment. The focus on winning in NPL SAP is quite obvious around Sydney. Need to focus on the name...skills acquisition!
i was very lucky, i was coached for 2 years by a Spanish fifa licences coach. He was amazing taught me so much
You MUST ALWAYS PRIORITISE TECHNICAL ABILITY IN FOOTBALL IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I AGREE ROBBIE 100%. 💯.
Robbie is spot on about molding players to a certain type... You see it in the top academies, they all want technical midfielders... The taller, clunkier kids who turn out to be ballers in a game get overlooked
The biggest problem IS, as you say people protecting their patch, but also the politics. JDL/SAP where I live costs parents $1500 per child plus uniform plus training venues for wet weather. The coach is not a professional or someone with some sort of degree or course, it’s a parent, most likely whose child also plays in the team.
Bozza, speaks of academy”s, again where I live, even if you were the next Messi, unless you are doing external training with the right person, you are no chance of getting into an academy. Our local academy even promises people that if they pay for a particular academy the a guaranteed to get a try out with the local a league club, only for them to turn up to trials with kids that aren’t in that academy.
On top of all this, the game is still heavily geared towards boys.
Boys can start at 9, girls not until 10.
Boys can have two teams, girls 1
Boys go 9 to 17
Girls 10,11,12,13,15,17
So many girls leave the game because they get cut, only because there isn’t the space in the team as they miss a year.
In a society where you can identify as a peanut, how is it that girls are still so discriminated against.
After the woman’s World Cup my daughter’s club had enough interest for 3 teams.
11:04 based on our Asian cup in 2024 that’s definitely the case it’s not even about technical. We had too many of the same type of player. Played too square and became flat and predictable.
Another issue overlooked...is kids getting to the specialist training. Not all parents can drive their kids to the sessions after school
Great eps all round
The top private academies in the UK charge around $20-$22 a session and pro or semi pro clubs encourage this as not all clubs can offer 4-5 days worth of training
Whats the point of having the best technical player when every coach ,manager and technical director tells the team to play two touch posession
you mentioned France.. how many of their players came from the GHETTOS and housing estates, grew up DIRT POOR - and how many had rich parents who could afford $3000 a year to "allow" their kids to play at "nice" facilities? if having the $$ is going to be a big blocker in Australia then we're never going to see that sort of talent emerge in this country - more likely they will play AFL or cricket (as Ange did btw)
your naming the wrong countries Portugal, France, Germany....We need to look at SMALLER countries that manage success. Croatia and Uruguay come to mind. Small population, but produce player after player and the national teams are very successful. Yes we beat Uruguay in 06 WC Qualifiers. But what has happened since.....Uruguay finished 4th in the next world cup. Won the Copa America, easily qualified for the next qualifiers and even won the last u20 World Cup.
I would also add that I reckon you will find the kids in those countries were not priced out of playing the game and chose to get into some other sport instead
@@maniaq77 this!!!
All these academies do is cover up the deficiencies of player development at club level. A serious junior/youth development club should have sessions 4-5 times per week for thier players. If players are seeking out an academy to supplement their development it means you are doing something wrong as a club. Furthermore, the top tier junior/youth development clubs should be scouting the signing best talent and paying for all their needs, the payoff being a future sale to a professional club. I'm not sure what the FFA rules are as far as junior player passes and transfers go, but this is how clubs make money and run in most parts of the world.
I’d love for more of the message being pushed out about grassroots creating players rather than teams and championships…current playing formats and “competitions” don’t lend themselves to serve a model of creating players. They serve the ego of coaches and parents “winning” at the expense of player development. Academies are no different…even creating their own leagues outside of grassroots community leagues for those with the ability to pay for it
AIS, player after player after player just kept rolling out. Coincidence? Don’t think so. Get moving Merrick and start the new academies with a positive slant on style, system and attitude. The landscape needs a wake up call.
Depends what they are coaching really , if they just go in there and there is some lev 4 coach with grids ,witches hats and a clip board where posession is the main focus saying ok 10 passes equals a goal , then we will never ever get anywhere , need to go back to creating footballers and not chess players
@@randomstuff5338 knowing Merricks philosophy over the years, I don’t believe he’ll be after chess players. He was an IS coach himself back in the good days and knows what’s required. It appears as if he’d like to establish an alternate training regime to the current norm. Fingers crossed
Yeah, they did in the late 90s early 2000s. But before it disbanded the AIS hadn't produced anyone in 5+ years. By this time, it was for u17 players where the majority of players were selected from a poor SA state team side coached by Tony Vidmar. It was selected purely on nepotism. I find it funny how we have Robbie Slater and Mark Bosnich come on and talk about youth development when they are the main part of the problem, which is pure nepotism. Slater talks about his son but fails to mention how he had him playing for CCM youth when his godfather Arnie was there. Was he good enough to be there probably not, but Slater used his contacts to get him there. These former Socceroo's whine and bitch constantly about how there under appreciated, but I don't think I've seen another country in the world that has as many nepo babies playing professionally, Its literally every player's kid from the golden generation. These guys who select and give opportunities based mainly on nepotism is the thing that holds youth development back, not some washed up has been, never was being underutilized.
As a parent, gave up on the NPL system. These clubs get something out of you, but you get nothing out of them. In Europe, club academies look after you and nurture you. Here in Australia you pay and play for the club and in general the clubs only care about themselves.
i think football coaches in australia have a problem with chubby kids because all other sports in australia need fit athletes. NRL and AFL in particular.
and that is why the national league in Aus is filled with athletes with limited technical ability.. 1 of the reasons i cant stand watching it anymore. Simple passes are butchered. It's like the players are coached to just run with the ball. The old NSL had MUCH better technically gifted players, proper football players.
What ever happened to the Starting XI?
How the hell does Australia have no home for the socceroos ? Its the only game that matters globally regarding soft power yet AFL and Rugby get all the government and media support
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1. Soccer is only a winter sport here for local clubs - we haven’t trained in two week excise wig the rain
2. Too expensive
3. No scouting to NPL clubs - no information nights at local clubs
4. Politics
5. Nepotism
6. Bottom
Up system
7. Too many teams at rep level and no clear pathways
8. Low standards as not enough quality kids in the system
9. Most Rep teams have coaches who do their own thing and don’t follow a philosophy or program
10. Lack of oversight by FA
Fox the club system. Stop allowing players to oaky up all the time with no governance and make each grade competitor. Plenty of levels within age grades for kids to progress. Incentivise lclubs to get their players involved in rep. Elite teams from rep teams should be created. We need to lobby the government and get organised.
Too many problems for Football in Australia:
1: Too many presidents of clubs lining their pockets.
2: Registration fees for kids are ridiculously high.
3: A lack of quality coaching.
4: The poor quality of refereeing.
5: No relegation and promotion into the A league.
6: At state league level u20's jumps straight into first grade, it should be u23's.
7: Too many sports to choose from makes it harder to compete on the world stage.
8: The over focus on Womens football at the expense of mens football.
9: VAR in the A league
10: The lack of support A league fans have from their clubs and the league.
11: Not respecting the ethnic clubs and their contribution to the game.
12: Supressing the passion of the fans.
13: Overbearing police officers at A league games.
14: Banning flares at A league games.
15: Not investing into Aboriginal communities with the round ball.
16: Not supporting young migrant children (let's be real poor kids are much more likely to be successful than rich kids).
17: Too many presidents sons and sponsor daddies paying for kids to play at youth league level.
18: Politics in Football.
19: Football Australia.
20: A lack of quality coaches, teaching the C licence courses.
And the list goes on.
Absolutely 💯% truth 👍 Should print this off and make available to every Australian who loves the game and use as a blueprint now to in a positive feedback situation and action on these problems addressed honestly and delivered to the Australian soccer community.
With respect to Bozz I think he’s a bit out of touch with what’s expensive. Also; completely disagree with the first point our 7-12 year olds are not even comparable to the overseas kids.
Compared to after school activities, the price is quite comparable.. I think that's what he meant by the per session price
It's $2500 (or more) fora season in the npl in Queensland. A lot of people have more than 1 child that play npl. In this current financial climate THAT is too expensive
Yup he has no idea what he is talking about. The system is broken and too expensive. Local clubs don’t help good kids understand about NPL and pathways as there is no incentive to do so. Standard at NPL clubs 8-12 are all over the place. Some club team would beat some of them easy
I’m sorry guys but it’s 3000 per child to play football is expensive. I’m from Newcastle I’ve never heard of an academy helping financially. For battling family’s they just can’t afford this. It cannot just be glided over. There needs to be more done to drive down these prices. That’s why kids stay at park football. Some of these academies which in my opinion is just a grab for money. You get no better or worse coaching in park. Remember the best footballers in the world didn’t have academies aka maradina George best Ronaldo
Sorry Boz. $35 session per child is ridiculous. Maybe you can afford it, but ask a single mother with 1 income if their kid can play football.
Looking at the Socceroos golden generation and prior, 70% were from western Sydney, where football is part of many ethnics cultures (not trying to bring race into it). We all know the financial issues in the west of Sydney, so how are we going to build our youth if football loving families can't afford it.
Sorry, I can't talk for other cities in Australia, but being in this area i see the difficulty.
The best players are always the have nots that come from the working class/poverty. Zero chance that such a player will ever make it through the system in Australia
Ange's teams dont play attacking football ,they play like i would if in was 3 nil up with 15 min to go to waste time , 50 million passes to nothing ,no skill needed,touch pass ,touch pass
Thanks coach. Feel free to link some of your training sessions for the masses.
@laggers54 and this is why people lose interest in the game , feel free to give your opinion instead of coat tailing other peoples opinions
@@randomstuff5338 thanks coach.
@@laggers54The reason Ange left Oz ^^^^
The problem with Football is that each state has its own federation looking after its own agenda , plus Rugby league and AFL will make sure that football will never be the number 1 sport , in terms of players football has the most junior players , but in terms of TV Audience and the money that TV generates , football will never be number 1 , plus politicians give all this money to Leage Teams ( Centre of excellence ) etc and nothing for football, the Matildas or Socceroo's don't even have a home base to train . Until football has some political influence at state and federal level, it will never flourish as it should be , football is the only sport that can unite a nation.
Need to go back to basics and teach footballers football ,forget this posession nonsense , anyone can trap a ball and pass it , need to be consintrating on ball work and finishing
Your kidding? Trapping a ball and passing it is apart of the basics and one of the most important things are one touch passing and keeping possession so you can then create those opportunities.
@l_W7 posession,well obviously trapping and passing are basics but anyone can do that but when this becomes the soul purpose of your curriculum the current stat of the game is evident ,posession stats don't win games ,goals do , guess what happens when all you do at training is play small sided 10 passes equals a goal , you don't score from open play and you wait 20 years plus for a decent striker ,and people wonder why we can't produce the next viduka,sound familiar
@@randomstuff5338 no they can't, kids today aren't developing a decent one touch, along with the other basics.
How do you think you score goals? By keeping possession.. certainly not by hogging the ball and attempting to be messi and go for a run through the entire team. Maybe you should get off youtube go down to your local club and show em how its done 💪
@l_W7 haha that's funny ,you score goals by keeping posession , this somes up the mind set of current state of football in Australia to a tee , well you can keep posession and get court on the counter and lose 1 nil and say you we're unlucky we dominated posession and I'll produce players who run with the ball and take people on 1v 1 like Kewell or who take people on and whip in crosses like lazeridis instead of always checking back and keeping the ball because posession is the most important thing , we can produce players like viduka who can hold the ball up turn on a dime and are very skillful , or we can produce players like zelic or Bresc who have vision to play over the top inbehind defences to open them up ,we can get back to our roots and use one of our best assets ,our physicality or arieal threat ,you know the things teams like japan use to fear of us ,we can try and incourage players to play more instinctive and you can turn players into boring robots which cant play very well and keep posession and back pass to matty Ryan, each to their own ,good luck mate
Possession based football is the way to go. Go and look at any successful teams, Man City, Real Madrid, France, Argentina etc. The point of possession is to drag the opposite side out of position, it is then you when you require skill on the ball to take advantage. Whether that will be a pass that cuts through the lines or a player who receives a ball in the half space who can then drive forward. You also rest in possession so you don't get knackered chasing the ball.
So tired of hearing from Robbie Slater, he has no real ability to reflect on his own biases. World football is not the 90's or early 2000's when he played and made it as a professional.
We compete across the globe for talent, with scouting systems everywhere from Africa to South America. Our culture for football is non existant compared to these countries, the drive, passion and obsession for the game. How many professional coaches and fulltime jobs exist in Australia? It is incomparible to Europe, South and North America and even Asia and the Middle East.
We are so far behind it is not even funny. Robbie mentioning former players with no real connection to coaching will not answer Australia's issues. They are deeply embedded, and very difficult to see change. Where we are as a football nation is expected considering the above factors. We over acheived at the World Cup, although we will not all the time, and there will be failures in future. It is not suprising at all that we do not have players in the top leagues, and I do not envision that changing in the near future.