The Original Patches
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2023
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The first Patches wasn't from Dark Souls, Demon's Souls.. or even Armored Core 4A..
An NPC from the PS2 era could fit the bill..
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Patches art:
by Lilly:
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by Rohanych
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others' used:
stolen battenberg
• Patches Origins (ds hi...
Ledge Kicks
• Every Time Patches Kic...
AC4A mission
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• Patches
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• Dark Souls NPC's Quest...
AC Master of Arena
• Armored Core Master of... - Hry
About 3 days after uploading my video, I realized my omission/mistake. Well made video man!! Keep it up
YO, thanks!
I wouldn't call it a mistake, there's no other character called PatchES. but yes, i'm sure plenty of people dropped knowledge in your comments section, as is happening to me right now.
Your villainpedia concept is genius. I'm gonna check out your Dark Link vid, i've always wondered who TF that guy is...
Ghostcharm, your videos are freaking masterpieces my man! You're all good :)
You did a new patches video?! You and fungo is what got me into the souls games and patches, I cant thank you enough, ghostcharm 😭
still waiting on the pate and creighton video you talked about
Lol
"I had friends, but everyone died", "Beware the one guarding the door".
Those lines are really clever though. The player gives him money to becoming his "friend", the same thing probably happened to all those people in the locked room, hence all of his friends being dead. Also "Patches" has the key, so he is technically the one guarding the door.
You can't say the devs didn't warn us. I do think the fan-translation does get the point across.
Great analysis!
Hey Blinge there's some more information on Patches it's just at the bottom of this cliff, go on av a look....
oooh finally, this cliff here?
[Stares at Blinge being kicked downt the cliff]
free him.
😭😭😭
free my boy he done nothing wrong
Good ole' trusty Patches. Little known fact, but his presence was in King's Field as well; he was the lead game designer. He transcended time and fiction to place all of the traps in those games just so he could loot everyone who fell for them.
Admittedly I thought you were about to bring up the "grave digger" from KF2 (KF3 in the east)
Hard to tell with the lack of. Fidelity and he never is given a name. But it turns out he's not tending to Graves he's robbing them. And at first sells gear "on the cheap" but ends up bolting when you figure out his game
@@TwistedSquid_YT that fire staff is worth the grind
@@TwistedSquid_YT Oh shit, I played King's Field games a ton growing up, knew a lot of the secrets, and somehow never put this together
I've always thought of Patches of an indirect insertion of Miyazaki himself in the game. Not so much all of who he is, but that part of him that likes to troll the player and place traps all around. The part of him that makes you say "thanks dark souls" while your screen says "YOU DIED".
@@Whaccd he likes getting trolled really.
I think it's suspicious that Patch in armored core master of arena has an eagle emblem and changes moods in combat, and patches in dark souls has an eagle shield and turns into an apologetic beggar as soon as you mean to fight him.
I totally missed the eagle thing!
@@BlinJe honestly I think it goes a little bit further. Patches is consistently associated with birds and skeletons.
In Demon's Souls he uses the adjudicator shield (which has a bird on it), and can be found in the shrine of storms.
In DS1 he has the Eagle Shield and can be found in order: in the catacombs, in the tomb of the giants, and in firelink next to the firelink skeleton enemies.
In DS3 he can be found in the cathedral of the deep which is surrounded by rotting corpses, in the dlc he ultimately wields the curse warding greatshield, also known as thr Pursuer Shield. And what was the pursuers form of transport? A giant bird.
Even in Elden Ring his association with Volcano Manor means an association with feasting on the dead.
Throw in his bald head, consistently prominent nose, and the way his main method of killing involves waiting and pacing as someone below him wastes away and I think that Patches is consistently and intentionally designed after a vulture.
@@Charnel_Heart In Elden Ring he also appears before you get to volcano manor at Scenic Isle in Liurnia which is also a location of a Deathbird boss which fits that theme too.
@@owlu_ incorrect, the death bird isn't at that location, even if it is nearby. Don't mislead people with your conjecture please!
@@McSwordy It's on the wiki.
Deathbird can be found in:
Warmaster's Shack
Weeping Peninsula
Scenic Isle
Capital Outskirts
Please stop trying to correct me in a youtube comment. I'm not here to argue
I can never truly hate the chap. Even if I'm now covered in burns and bomb ashes thanks to him.
his latest incarnation has made me laugh out loud several times. I love him 😆
He may be a bastard but how else do you survive in these crazy settings, surrounded by monsters and psychos and players doing genocide runs.
Why would I hate anyone so much weaker than myself
Jokes on you, I'm into that shite!
Neat how Patches' first battle mirrors his last one, engaging in a group fight on a vast sea of sand, and running off before it's over.
Oh yeah …
Patches has left the chat...
This comment is so BASED that it's power level cannot be measured
He didn't just run before the battle was over. As soon as he sees it's radahn he nopes out
Patches does kick you off a ledge in elden ring its completely optional for his quest. I think most people miss it
Only problem is doing his quest or miss his kick
Elden Ring is my favorite game ever but the quest design is absurd. You could spend thousands of hours playing and still miss most of the quest steps if you don't Google it
Yeah its pretty easy to miss even if you're following quest guidelines off the wiki lmao
When ER first came out I accidentally killed him. He was so squishy and I didn't expect him to cower in fear lol...at least I got a +8 spear before Margitt out of it 🤣
@@Capnsensible80 And an amazing looking set of light armor!
Just to point out, the emblem for Patch in AC:MOA is a spread eagle, just like the one that is normally displayed on his tower shield in Dark Souls
Came here to say this! I replayed Master of Arena a few months ago and had an "Oh shit that's his shield" moment.
I'll spread your eagle
there was Veronica and Charlie doing number 17, The Spread-Eagle!
Spread eagle lol didn't realize patches was into that kinda thing
Yes, in the Japanese version his name is "Patch" and he often says no-count, as in the English word.
Also interesting that the man in the first game was looking for a spear (although he died trying) and later Patch(es) is using a spear
Time is convoluted and all that haha
That's funny because in Armored Core, his name is "Patch" and his AC is named "No-Count". That explains a lot!
@@artofwar420 It's actually stagnant.
@@artofwar420 convoluted is a mistranslation, go figure. In ER, they translated it correctly.
@@bacicinvatteneaca What do they say in ER?
He's not "Patches" per se, but i think the first appearance of the trope might happen in Dragon Quest IV. There's a quest where the player character is competing with NPCs to recover an item, and at one point an NPC tells you to look at some treasure below the ledge you are on, and then he kicks you down. Blew my mind when it happened! I know Miyazaki is a Dragon Quest fan, so maybe that's why he has been so adament on keeping the trend alive, even if he didn't necessarily introduce it to the from repertoire
It's possible it was DQVI, and i might be confusing which is which, but I think it was IV
Holy shit 😃. If that’s truly the inspiration that would be madness.
i’ll tell you what i think in a million years when i finally get to DQIV
Sorry for blowing up your comments, happens in DQVI, not IV. Happens around 10:30 in the attached video czcams.com/video/Y7WP16qrB6k/video.html
@@MuteProtest ahahah i love it
dragon quest was huge in japan back in the day , for sure miyazaki is a fan. good reference
So Pate and the exploding chests of DS2 were a Shadow Tower reference
Pate is also being pursued by another character (creighton) who wants him dead, possibly for stealing one of his possessions (he recognized the thorned ring, but it's not clear if it was stolen from him, he only mentions Pate stabbed him in the back)
ds2 as a whole is a big shadow tower and king's field reference
Pate is a weird one, he actually warns you of real traps and stuff but never pushes you into a dangerous situation.
I actually met Pate first cause that was the first Souls game I played. I was really confused when people were talking about Patches so much ha ha
@@greenhowie Well he did close the door behind you right after you meet him, trapping you in an area with a ridiculous zerg rush of enemies.
Patches kicks you in Elden Ring, too. There is a spot on Mt. Gelmir where, at a certain point in Patches' quest, you will find rainbow stones leading you to a ledge. When you look over the edge he kicks you down and tells you to stay away from Volcano Manor.
I find it funny that I found it by accident. I was like hey look glowing stones. I thought that there was an invader or something messing with me. Nope just patches.
Shadow Tower is more Pate/Creighton in my opinion. Explosive chest being the main link.
pate is basically ds2 patches. notably ds2 takes note from older games i've heard it's intro it a little similar to one of the shadow tower games.
Agreed. Definitely more like Pate/Creighton.
Patches has a trap-chest for you in Elden Ring, similar to Shadow Tower, it doesn't explode but teleports you to a dangerous area
I'll grin and *bear* it
Bearly an inconvenience. If anything he did you a....furvor?
Patches always seemed like your only real friend. It’s only through him that you get access to some of the best weapons and armor sets in the souls games. He’s just got a strange way of showing affection. He gives you access to unreachable areas and items that can get you through the rough spots.
haha not to mention in DS1 he's the only character with a good read on the others. He warns you about Lautrec, and correctly says the cleric guy is scum. (cleric then goes on to kill lady Rhea)
It´s worth mentioning that his kick in DS 3 Ringed City actually helps you if you followed his questline. Giving you a short cut to where you need to go.
As for Elden Ring, you can find him multiple times through out the game.
I know this is a different encounter with him (in the cathedral specifically) but my favorite line from him will always be: "Thought you could outwit an onion?" while pretending to be Seigward after he tricks you, lol
Interesting that you mention that in shadow tower our "patches" is questing for the spear Since a spear is the weapon patches always uses in the souls games
One of the central themes of the Shadow Tower games is conflict. In the first Shadow Tower, your character is a mercenary. He returns home after his battles only to find his hometown desolate and sunken into the Shadow Tower. Inside, he faces monsters, but among them are soldiers and kings of long-lost conquests to claim the tower and its crown.
In Shadow Tower Abyss, it retains this theme in the modern era. Your character is once again a mercenary, and is hired for a job. But it's a trick and he was only meant to be sacrificed and left for dead. The villagers have performed this rite many times, seemingly for centuries. Relics of battles from every era can be found littered throughout the tower's layers.
Our "Patches" in Abyss seems to be a war veteran, a man sacrificed to the Shadow Tower before your character. His mind never truly left the battlefield, and he has turned on friend and foe alike, using his cunning and vicious traps to survive. He's lived that long in the tower for a reason. He's clever enough to get the upper hand on Rurufon. He's the perfect kind of person to succumb to the spear's allure. He doesn't want to escape like the protagonist does. He is far more at home in the endless battle of the Shadow Tower than he is in a civilian life.
Got your video in my recommended, and I really enjoy your style of dry, underplayed humor and the thoroughness of your explanations. Definitely subbing.
I appreciate it, sir lancer sir.
Worth noting that both of Patch's mechs have reverse leg joints, perhaps an indication of his nature of seeming to do one thing while intending the opposite.
I see them as birds legs. Patches is connected with bird imagery often
Knees for kicking
"No Harm, No Foul" would be a good localization of the "No Count" thing.
This def counts as patches for me. The bridge part seals the deal. Patch ps1 armored core, Dude in Shadow Tower, Patch Armored Core For Answer, finally the souls games.
Great video mate! According to my Japanese dictionary No Count ノーカウント is an obscure sporting term which indicates that a goal or point did not count.
You can say パッチ or 継ぎ in Japanese for patch, both are in common use but it may depend on what kind of garment the patch is on as to which one you use.
The money is called クーン in Japanese so they could have written it as Kuun but I see why they didn't.
I imagine the Shadow Tower fan translation is very accurate because the sentences are very short. Some of the lines look tricksy to translate because they end in ellipses and are up to the reader to guess the meaning...
Thanks for the insight as usual boss. I should start consulting you before I post stuff with JP points!
ps don't type "クーン" into google translate
@@BlinJe :(
"Cune" is a not very often used spelling of "coin" in medieval english, it's probably why they went with it.
@@Maldar345 coon is what it said
Took me a minute to understand this wasn’t a video about the first patch ever added to a videogame
I'd say the guy in Abyss is like Pate, where he's *spiritually* patches even if not literally
What i like about Pate is his plausible deniability.
Abyss guy is the most directly hostile.
THANK YOU. Digging into older from games made me see this.
funny how we in chilean spanish say "no vale" wich can be intepretaded as "not valid" in a game or sport context, also you could say "no cuenta" wich is the direct translation to "no count" . cant remember what patches says in the spanish versions of the games.
... he is in elden ring and you have to do his signature emote (that he gives you when you forgive his life) to have him stop atacking you if you decided to have a little spar with him . he sells stuf this time around so you can always visit him to get some items and slap him a bit.
Thanks for the comment. Maybe i should have said “don’t spoil it for me” in the video… 💀
( fortunately i’ve met him in Elden Ring now )
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This is such a fresh look at old material. OP I hope you continue to make interesting vids like this. Liking and subscribing and wishing you the best!
Excellent work, man! I think the first true Patches started from Shadow Abyss.
Nice video its great to see someone even make mention of his Japanese voice actor being the same from FA and the Japanese dub for later souls games in a video and
I guess I would count Patch's 1st showcase in Master of arena his AC emblem even is a Eagle Shield also the Parsac thing was just the name of his AC in MoA.
Oh man good point about the Eagle emblem!
By FA, do you mean Full Metal Alchemist?
@@REvoLverj98 For Answer
@@KojiKun104 Thank you for making it clear, but as it turns out, the English voice actor for Patch the Good Luck also does the voice for Sloth in Full Metal Alchemist. That's why I asked
This is really cool. You can see the development of the character across all these games. Man, From really is an interesting developer, even before Miyazaki.
I used to really hate Patches in Souls but once you find out how the Clerics abused him I felt a lot more empathy for his character. Truly complex - he's not really good or bad - he's like a Ying Yang hurricane.
And like someone else said, surviving on the Souls universe would be absolute hell. So he embodies the trauma, much like Crestfallen Knight, would really inflict on a regular person's mind.
And if you don't think it's possible to turn into someone like him, Lautrec, or Crestfallen, just read accounts sailors lost at sea. Even the toughest people turn into psychotic cannibals when left without water and food for weeks.
And although they're not locked an actual island, the characters in Souls are stuck in purgatory with monsters that's a lot like an island.
The Shadow Tower Abyss version is certainly the most punishing one, but then again that's the most punishing From game I've played.
I made it to the poison gas level and just quit. I didn't need another FromSoft poison swamp in my life. But now I want to try again.
@@sirmrguitardude the stores usually sell equipment with anti poison, there's an answer to every bullshit in this game.
Please do more videos like this one. Your voice is perfect for that
You got a new subscriber!
Keep up the good work! i love it !
God this Armored Core stuff looks so freakin cool! No clue what it was but looks like a new one is coming out soon! Excited to see
patches is the literal god of deception in the souls universe
He's just God in general
I would say the original idea of Patches though was Gill Baccas from Kings Field 1.
He acted as a merchant to hide the fact that he was a thief kinda like patches often has a shop. He also stole a cross from another NPC to sell just like Patches would your belongings after he pried them of your corpse.
"It's water under the bridge"
Is dumped into the water under the bridge
FINALLY, someone pointed it out 🥲
I think it's worth pointing out that the Patches mecha's flag in Master of Arena is really similar in shape and colors to the one in the Champion's Bones icon, obtained at DS3's Lapp's quest ending
One noticable difference though is that the first one shows a bird, maybe an eagle, and the second one a lion
This video assploded. Good work, man.
There is indeed a place in Elden Ring where Patches kicks you down a perilous cliff by distracting you with shiny treasure. He appears in several different places and even has a boss fight where he begs to be spared at the end, after which he becomes a merchant (but can still fool you with a trap chest)
Dis one doing numbers bro. Good work. Subbed.
Nice searching! Thanks for video
Hey, this was pretty interesting. I liked your editing and your voicework. I was surprised to see your channel is still small. Time to sub and gamble with the gods of the algorithm
Hopefully more people like you show up then!
IronPinehead actually did a video on Shadow Tower Abyss and even dedicated a small segment to Patches. Though since he was talking how weird STA was, I think it was sadly gloss over.
I love that someone mentioned Armored Core, props dude. Well researched vid
loved the jokes on this one, also cool to know the "it didn't count" origins of Patches
Top shelf vid. The camera work at 7:30 is great 👌
Opened this video thinking you were going to talk about video game patches lol. Like fixing games, etc.
Patches' entire existence brings pain, misery, and curiosity. I love patches
I think the best way to look at it is they combine both characters, the trickery of the human from shadow tower and the cowardice from Patch the mech pilot
That was an amazing video! I wish FROM would make a STA remake or sequel
Good video man!
I believe iron pineapple mentions it briefly in his review of it, we love to see some patches love
i hope that Shadow of Erdtree finishes up Patches' questline. it just kinda, ends.
Thank you for telling the time when you give the answer
Patches as you guys know him.
He has been around since Armored Core Masters of the Arena in 1999, also using a backwards leg parts and shifty tactics, same configuration as in 4 Answer.
Yes i say in the video
Great video.
I think they all count and I’m always happy to see more instances of our favorite troublesome traitor
Patches keeping those same old tricks in any form or era. And yeah the one in Master of Arena is a bit strenuous since its just an arena fight, the only thing you can link to future iterations is that his Emblem is a shield with an Eagle Crest which was Patches' shield in the Souls titles.
Would be hype as hell if Patches become an actual boss in a future FromSoft game that has memories of every game that he was in.
Yeah and his command grab is he kicks you down several ledges, and you can’t stop him
Just hope he isn't wearing his lapp armor
Great video, really
2:40
CUNNY
MUNNY
😭
I didnt wanna say cunny either 💀
I like how in AC you can damage him and he'll surrender and he does the same thing in Elden Ring when you find him in the cave
I did see one video before that mentioned Patches being in shadow tower. I think it was ironpineapple and it was a video about the game itself, not patches, it just received a passing mention. There was a kings quest character that reminded me of patches but idr which one, probably 4 cos it's full of npcs. Idk if he was meant to be the same guy or if it was just a connection I drew... I just started reading berserk and its nuts to me how often I'll see a character or monster and immediately remember something in dark souls that obviously took inspiration.
Interesting, i wouldve expected that patches originated from the kings field series or maybe eternal ring but thats a game i havent heard about so far.
it took me two times watching to realize what you did with the "water under the bridge" comment immediately before being dropped into the water under the bridge, well played sir
I'm just convinced there is a huge lab of patches clones in the fromsoft basement that's been running since the 2000s ready to make another cameo
Thought this was a video on the idea of patching games and was rally confused for a bit
Man.. i might just go ahead and make that some day. Sorry to disappoint ya!
I think the fact he keeps popping up, going as far back as the OG ps1, says a lot about how much of an impact he made. He's akin to Gilgamesh in Final Fantasy, he has his OG appearance in FF5 and he clicks with not only the playerbase, but also the devs, so he keeps returning, to the chagrin of newcomers and the delight of old players. It's beautiful, really, I can't wait to get got by the weasel bastard in each new game.
Patches is my favorite character. He has somehow found a way to move between worlds. Whether he keeps his memory, only he knows, but he is undoubtedly untethered. Who else has been so resourceful?
Remembers me when Iron Pineapple looked at the game and noticed that character.
oh damn! so he did.
Great vid! Your narrating style and voice reminds me a bit of a combination of Vaatividya and Ahoy.
Ahoy is a massive influence bro thankyou
"find the perfect angle"
HAH it is a nice angle 😌
Nice to meet a fellow man of culture
I know in one of the AC games he runs and you have to chase him down as well. I’m pretty sure it’s in For Answer if you choose to go for him first.
He runs if you come near him and snipes you while you fight the other guy if you choose to ignore him
Amazing. Didn't know about the origin even though I had a vague memory of playing through Shadow Tower.
That said, Patches' appearance in Elden Ring has to be my favorite. It's quite ... unique.
His involvement in the radahn fight is absolutely amazing. Even if its easy to miss.
there are 2 shadow tower games.
Abyss and normal shadow tower
I love how Patches at this point has passed novelty to be almost a sisyphean effort... yet it shows a kind of joy in fate. Doing something you know will be bad simply because it means interacting with someone else in these bleak empty worlds. Of course being the "protagonist" of these games is a shield a bit, must be much more frightening for someone who is not functionally immortal like the player is in these games but still. It's fascinating gaming design, very archetypical.
Funny thing, there's another Next Pilot in For Answer called Starka, who I swear is voiced by Patches' VA William Vanderpuye, but I can't find credits for the character.
He like the moonlight greatsword. Transcends game series.
I thought I was going to watch a video going in depth about video game patches and updates lol
Yes the perfect angle that's what I've been waiting for plus you sound slightly like vaati
I don’t, i’m just British
In Dark Souls 3, his kick actually allows you to find the way to the end. He ends up helping you.
When you're free of all worldly wants, you can do that!
Fear the haired Patches
I feel.. something unnatural has occured
man cant wait to meet him again in AC6 i bet he still running the reverse joint setup
I hope they develop him more 🙏
Shadow tower encounter is more reminiscent of pate from dark souls 2. He's sitting in a similar posture in both, and you get blown up with a bomb at the end as well.
Also I was immediately suspicious (while watching your video, haven't played the game) when he says watch out for the door guardian, and then he is the one who gives you the key. Almost as if he's the custodian or authority of the door. Like a guardian...
The master of arena patch has the falcon emblem. A recurring theme from a lot of patches owo
One thing I think you overlooked. Hes looking for "the spear", and what does Patches wield in Souls games and Elden Ring?
Ahh the spear! Maybe. I overlooked it because it’s the central macguffin in both ST games
The guy who Patch voiced is also the same guy who does Dogis voice in YS, pretty funny that I recently played YS 8 and hear him here as well. Looked up his voice work, he did tons and tons of memorable characters.
REALLY? oh man i love Ys.. I'll get to 8 eventually 😭
@@BlinJe 8's so good man! Enjoy it when you get the chance.
I thought this video was going to be about the history of video game patches and updates.
A Shadow Tower video in 2023? What a great moment...
I remember playing it myself, kinda the easiest FROM game and dense atmosphere did splendid work.
tried playing it and died 3 times to that bullshit falling rock in the beginning, classic fromsoft
The actual first Patch appeared in Armored Core: For Answer. Patches the Good Luck.
Oh, you brought it up at the end.
As Miyazaki likes to create legacy in his games, it would make sense upon his joining FromSoft and taking lead on games, we start to see things taken from older games and turned into something like Patches. Or a poison swamp.
Awesome video. Typical patches betrayal again and again, expecting no @$s kicking
i also havent seen this mentioned on wikipedia until now either
Hey Blinge, Im working on video about the various versions of Patches throughout FromSoft. I'm planning on calling out your vid and linking it, but wanted to talk about possibly using some of your footage. No big deal if not! Either way I'm going to direct my audience over here. Thanks!
Hey man, use whatever footage you want and thanks for the shout-out.
Lmk when it’s up!
It's very likely that the phrase "No Count" is specifically in reference to a character from the manga Kaiji: Gambling Apocalypse. The character in question is called Otsuki who famously yells "NO COUNT" at some point after losing in a rather iconic scene. This is further cemented by Otsuki being referred to as Hanchou (Squad Leader), which happens to be Patch's internal name in Armored Core For Answer.
🤯 and the dice emblem!!
That bomb stunt is later perfectly recreated in Dark Souls 2 at the end of Pate and Creighton’s quest
They did the exploding chest in Dark Souls 2. But Patches was split into two characters there, Creighton and Pete.
Creighton did nothing wrong
@@BlinJe Amen to that
Lovely !
And i quess we also found the origin of the from software "multiple dialogue prompts" to get all the stuff you need