WHAT ARE RETRACTION TURNS? - Advanced Snowboarding Tips
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- RETRACTION TURNS ARE FUN.
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Ok, I just want to point out the fact that he is able to do a really solid job of doing an instructional voice over.....In the middle of riding! Being able to execute the techniques he's describing is one thing....being able properly explain it while riding beat up pow is on a whole other level. If anyone has doubt about whether Malcom knows what he's talking about...this is all the proof you need. It's like having a conversation while juggling, you need to be good enough so that all of the active movements are nearly second nature.
Thanks Jon, appreciate it 🙌
Thanks for sharing, Malcolm! Among all the snowboarding videos, yours are THE best ones that explain the physics and applications of the techniques in simple yet articulating language. It’s like taking a master snowboarding class. I’m an intermediate rider and my body sometimes mixes up/down unweighted and retracted turns unconsciously and randomly. Your videos help clarify why, how and when to use what techniques. They are helping me become a more conscious and in-control snowboarder. Again, thank you for making the content. Cheers from Boston!
Thanks and happy to help!!
It's crazy how I just naturally was doing down/up unweighted turns and retraction turns subconsciously but never kind of realised what I was doing. Now that I am more aware that these are all three very different techniques, it has improved my riding quite a lot. Thank you Malcolm!
Retraction turns are super helpful in riding mogul fields. They allow your body to follow a consistent fall line while moving your board around you to edge and manage speed.
You're a good dude Malcolm. Everybody else went on by that guy. Speaks volumes
Thanks man 🙏
Hey Malcolm, thanks for sharing the video, it is very helpful for intimidate riders like us.
It was very sweet helping out that guy, fears for injuries like that (catching an edgy on high speed and hitting the head) often become a barrier for intimidate riders to carve lower, harder, quicker, which obstructs improvement. Would love to see you making a video addressing injury prevention before (warm up, gear), during (which body part to land hard on the ground), and after (how to get out of dangerous and busy areas) the impact!
Definitly a good Idea!! Would also like to know what kind of equipment is good (e.g. can you go for budget stuff?)
Thanks guys, noted!
I’d definitely back up this idea since I dislocated my shoulder 3 weeks ago and some know how on injuries and landing to avoid them would be very useful!
I wonder how his helmet came off, I'm assuming it didn't fit correctly or he didn't secure it.
Wear protective gear: knee and/or wrist guards, crash shorts that have at least padded tailbone area, if not more coverage. A helmet goes without saying.
I've been riding for 38 years and adopted this style along with a shoulder forward stance (stolen from my ski style) I've been working on correcting all of my bad habits only to find that my bad habits are being taught to folks. 😅 I have learned to keep my arms down and less spastic.
Good thing you stopped for that guy!
Of course!
helping the man that fell so quickly and genuinely earned my follow. you sir are a great teacher and an amazing man
good video, I think this is the first/only retrction turns demenstration on CZcams, I've been looking for those videos previously and couldn't find any.
I found some old Canadian ones actually, but they didn't seem to really describe it. And of course Ryan Knapton throws a load into his riding too!
Your videos about various turn types really help me mentally organize the different turns that I have unintentionally tried and messed around. Much better understanding now. Thank you, Malcolm!
No probs happy to help !
I miss the mountains so so much. Had to use the money I’d saved for shredding to fix the car after a recent crash but, at least I can get my white powder fix here 😆 Thanks Malcolm, your tutorials are simple to understand and effective 👍🏻
Just in time for my train ride to the mountains. How awesome
Yeahh
A+ lesson Malcolm thank you !! This one has taken my boarding to the next level and is a head turner for sure ! The motion is so fluid and at high speeds it keeps things absolutely controllable!!!
my favourite way to ride love the energy back from the board
Another amazing video. So well explained. And you covered all the different areas we normal people can use these turns.
I love how at the end you showed a video of you riding away from the camera and I could see the tracks which I feel really highlights the feeling you were talking about.
This is absolutely where great teaching and great editing come together. Well done mate 👏
If you could show the difference between the tracks of an up-unweighted, down-unweighted and retraction, side by side I would be over the moon. But honestly, I’m already very grateful for this video and channel.
Thank you Malcolm! I’m a big fan! Keep it up!!
One more Great video Malcolm. Thank you for existing on CZcams :)
Really i like how you explain the physics/techniques around snowboarding, this is what make me more self confident on board because of knowledge.
Thanks 🙌
As always one of most helpful videos. Always to the point and accurate. Thank you Malcolm. ❤️
Thanks Cristoforos appreciate your support 🙏
Awesome video! This is by far the best video explaining the differing types of edge changes on a snowboard. Every snowboarder needs to watch this!
Cheers Brian
Love the ending, your smile and laugh really show how much you're enjoying yourself!!! I've been watching your vids to learn how to snowboard!!! Wish me luck this coming season!
Good luck 🙌
Thanks you for one more time.. for the views, the feeling, the instructions.. the minutes of calmness you bring to our eyes 😍
Thanks George 🙌
Top video mate as per,
Catching an edge sucks, true gent for helping him out.
Thanks Nathan 🙌
Thank you very much for this. Been looking for a long time for someone to actually explain how to do these type of turns.
You're welcome!
I always come back to this video as a refresher whenever I expect to be riding powder soon. thank you, Malcolm 👍
So happy it helps 😊✌️🙌
Nice! So cool seeing your sub count growing. Vid quality and content is top notch, as always! Keep it up! Cheers
Thanks Troy, appreciate it!
Absolutely stunning views and snowboarding. Redonkulous indeed. Thanks Malcolm.
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I’ve been looking so long for someone to explain this in a way I understand and can learn from! I’ve heard people elude to this but never in such a clear way. Tysvm, I am going to go try this to bring my carves to the next level!
Good luck 👍
Pumpin them turns!!
Awesome. Cannot wait to try it. Thanks
Enjoy!
This type of carving was what i was trying to find for the longest, did not know it was called retraction turns. It looks so cool and ive gotten most of it down, it makes snowboarding so much more fun when your advancing in carving techniques
Congrats on surpassing 50k Malcolm! Top tier content as always. Happy shreddin'!
Thanks Conrad! Onto 100k!
@@malcolmmoore You know it! Yew!!
Man the editing is really on point! Great video!
Thanks Zach 🙌
Great explanation, great video. Thank you!
As an advanced rider myself I still enjoy watching these tutorial videos. Your ability to articulate and educate is second to none. I wish I had your vids earlier in my riding! Keep it up man superb 👏
Thanks!
Great vid! Glad you explained the difference between this and down unweighted turns. Need to perfect my edge wiggles!
Cheers Dan 🙌
that looks so cool.
Awesome video, Thank you.
Great video! I've snowboarded for ages and feel absolutely comfortable in any slope and somehow I tend to do these types of turns in terrain where I need more grip, didn't know it had a proper name. Glad I watch this as I can work more on the technical side of it
Thanks, good luck trying them out!
makes it look so easy
Good video and great instruction. You’ve managed to explain carving without mentioning carving once - which is good because a lot of boarders who can’t carve will just switch off at slightest mention of carving. However, put the way you’ve done it then carving is simple - which it is. I call these G force turns - same thing. Wee tip - to make sure you’re doing it right, look for the pencil line track - if it skids you’re not doing it right. But don’t give up.
This is the difference from intermediate to advanced. I've thought multiple people to board and once my students master this they can keep up with me on flat parts and it makes such a difference in overall speed down a mountain. Well explained. Shown this to one of my friends and now she can keep up with everyone and made her experience snowboarding that much more fun. Good job. Keep it up with the video's!
Thanks, appreciate it 🙌
Another great video. I’m getting to a point where the hills are steep enough that up unweighted turns are a little too slow. This is very helpful.
Jan 22nd was a turning point of my snowboarding progression. I was able to tackle all the runs I couldn’t handle before (mostly because they were bumpy or almost moguls like). Down unweighted turn video and this video helped a lot. Thank you for all the great videos. 👍👍👍
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👍Proper knowledge & factoids, as always. & to anyone scrolling the comments - ALWAYS wear a skid-lid. I saw a young dude trying a little backside 180 on the flat in my local dome last week, caught his heel edge, flew headfirst backwards. I heard an almighty ‘CRACK!!!’ & when I came dwn the slope & met him his helmet was completely destroyed - huge split up the back & over the top of his crown. That could’ve been his skull. He wasn’t going quick, not even remotely, just a simple edge-catch, but he fell like a tonne of bricks
Thanks Teige 🙌
Eureka! Thanks Malcolm. That’s such a neat move you’re the only one I’ve seen explaining.
I now have my work(out) cut out for me. Too bad this snowboarding season’s quite over in Mont-Tremblant.
great video Malcolm!
Without knowing the technicality that's what I do as kind of a warmup and when riding narrow pistes sections (often slightly halfpipe shaped) where I can push the board against the piste "sidewalls". Super fun and super effective to ride fast and safe in those conditions.
u had a great impact on my snowboarding thanks mate!!
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Great video’s Malcolm! Very helpful to improve my riding and fun to watch. Keep up the good work!
Thanks 🙌
@@malcolmmoore your way of explaining is very clear and in the right pace to fully understand what to do to follow your example. Besides that, your way of filming really adds to make your video’s truly ‘understandable’. Looking forward to put your tips into practice next week in the Gasteiner Valley in Austria. Thanks again! 👍🏂
Thanks You for the content… it helps… 50 year old still learning… thank you…
malcolm you almost lost it in that hole..... stay safe and thanks for the videos!
Thanks!
just seen you finally came around, making a video on this really dynamic type of edgechange ... als much as i like just plain relaxed carving aswell as moguls and quick griped turns for navigating those... it's when you discover this kind of turning with differential knee steering, that you can really open up on any kind of terrain, because you get instant edgechange, without chatter, powerfull edgebuilding and free reign on your turnradius... so even carving down icy black runs becomes viable with a normal board...
would be nice to just have a specific video on all the turnshapes, an a quick usecase ... just not quite explanatory but just to see/showcase to people, as you have such an well differantiated style
like
some swooped up-unweigted carves, down to eurocarves
quicker downunweighted carves
bigger carves with hooking the edge in the end, to get that reaction-crossunder edgechange
small reaction turns for quick maneuvering and steeper slopes.
maybe even side by side.
and then all the skidded to griped turns aswell... i guess you'd basically already have all the footage.
Its basicly allways the same, you try to point out to people that there are probably 15-20ways to turning a snowboard, and all have different effects and usecases, and they all go like, wtf you are wrong, theres only one way to do it right... an you end up seeing people with zero variation to their rythm or style all over the mountain
btw. advantage against down - unweighted, you can set the new edge with higher edgeangle and more power to the edge, pressing that board right back into reverse camber, tightening up that carve on steep slopes right from the top of the turn, even pointing uphill... less time in the fall line, edge stable and deep in the snow, once you get the rythm, you can save so much power during the day, as you have a stable non chatter platform all the way around the turn, with allmost extendet legs all the way around the turn (so easy to hold that power, compared to a deeper stance)
after having both knees shot thats how i survive ... just kind off allways diging my edge so deep, that i have my own fresh track all the time, leaving the juice for some sidehits and rollers.
I do this on my onewheel. So flowy and lively feeling🤙🏽
this one is gold
Thanks James 🤩
Always great vids! Hitting the snow next week
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Great Video.. Well explained. Cheers.
Cheers for the support!
Thanks man!!
Great explenaition! I didnt knew it is called that way. I use this espessially while riding fast across moguls or very rough terrain
You are the best of the best✌🏻
Aww 🙏🙏
I enjoy your vids, thanks for the tips duuuuude 🤓👍
Cheers Paul 👍
Very nice video..fantastic place ....tks
Wow, nice riding mate!
Thanks Colin 🙌
You are awesome! Great content as always
Thanks James 🙌
Well done for stopping to check out the guy that fell
This is good way to get through fairly busy sections at medium speed. I like to haul ass controllably on a moderately busy day on a moderate slope. Your body follows a fairly straight path, and you retain the ability to crank a monster carve from this position or step on the gas by pointing it straight down the mountain at any given moment. It's a very flexible place to be.
Thanks for another great tutorial, seeing all that snow and that awesome weather makes me want to come back out there again to try out your tips. I don't know if you watch any of his videos, but Ryan Knapton is the god of carving and I see him almost exclusively do these types of turns whenever he rips the slopes!
Of course I watch Ryan Knapton!
@@malcolmmoore 😄
thank you so much for those videos man
No probs Fabi 😊
First time I sow the duck, yay! 🤡
But seriously, always great to see the advanced turn techniques covered that you hardly ever see anyone else doing these days.
As mentioned in other comments, given how tight you can do them, they have a good use when you want/have to carve in a very narrow strip of slope. Also, with tighter turns taking out more speed that wider ones, I do use them on somewhat steeper slopes, when the tightest up unweighted turns I can do would pick up too much speed. In that situation I find my legs to almost extend all the way, pushing hard into the board.
Finally, both the quick motion of the legs and the upper body and head moving down straight fall line without going left or right much makes them fun to do.
Once in your life you gotta do it on a squirly board that is too short for you - your legs gonna move faster than you feel you can keep up with. 😉
I did learn another/the English term for it thanks to the video. 👍 Up to now, I subsumed them below down unweighted turns, which was how I was taught by the Swiss school of teaching as of 30 years ago.
With your down unweighted turn video a while back, I did think "geez, why don't you do them quick and tight with the upper body not moving, you sure is able to do that", now I know that you distinguish between these closely related and overlapping techniques and have a separate name for this variant.
Back then, when the starting from the + and - posture with basic turns, everything seemed to revolve around doing arm movements to force your upper body to follow suit and do the desired movement, I faintly recall one instructor teaching to move your hands, closely together, in a lying figure eight movement in front of your chest. I do not exactly recall how, but I guess the left and right movement part following the usual slight upper body rotation, and then the up and down parts either supporting or counteracting the leg movement. 🤔
Either way trying to coordinate that movement with the hideously quick leg movement of as tight as possible retracted turns threw me off badly.
Thus, while I started up unweighted carving season two (which translates into week 3) and quickly picked them up getting more and more dynamic about it, enjoying the G-forces, the down unweighted/retraction turns that were only taught late as a more advanced and more exotic turn, took me quite some seasons before I eventually ignored that furious arm movement (by the time not needing my arms in any other turns either), not throwing myself off of the rhythm of my leg movement and manage to keep doing them really quick for as long as I feel like it.
In line with the discussion of the differences of down unweighted and retraction turns, what I was taught and do is a blend of both, and I'd think, like with other blends of techniques, one that makes it more versatile.
I would really love and totally nerd out over some book or website, that accumulated (from at least certified instructors, better yet some instructors of instructors or best those people that at the time developed the teaching programmes) the different schools of teaching, from all different countries and throughout the decades, pointing out the differences and advancements, along with all the rationales behind the different approaches.
Not only would it make relating the different types of turns everyone knows under different names easier, but also resulting in a better all round understanding.
Funny thing is I originally thought my retraction turns were just a style of down-unweighted turns, and I heavily associated down-unweighting with doing them. I'm not sure if it's mentioned in the video, but retraction turns seem really good for navigating changing pitches, hills/bumps, and so forth. Thanks for the video Malcom, I'm getting closer to being a proper advanced-level rider and you're definitely playing a big part in that.
Malcom your videos explain snowboard mechanics in a class that you usually only see in ski tech videos. Without excessive attitude.
Haha, and without any skiing!
Coming to Alp D'heuz for Feb half term!!
Say hi on the slopes!
If you lose your helmet while yardsaling then you've made quite a majestic slam indeed. I'm glad he's okay.
Awesome vid!
Thanks Eric, told you I would get to those comments eventually 😂
Nice one thanks
You're welcome 🤗
tnx i really want to visit great resorts around the world
Thanks for another great video - and kudos to the cameraman! ;-)
Haha, you know she loves it when she gets a mention!
13:54 that's the dream right there!
Marcel Farm riding ! Nice vidéo dude !
Hi Malcom, are you still now in l'Alpe d'Huez ? Lot of pow's coming soon ! 🥳
I've noticed doing this when there was some nice fresh snow :)
Yeahh best feeling
Perfect
It may it be always practical but it looks really cool, fluid and stylish. :)
Agreed 🙌🙌
Great vid thx ! Would be cool if you could do a video on how to choose and setup gear for beginners and advanced snowboarders ... things to do and NOT to do ;)
Thanks Tom, noted ✅
Fantastic video as always Malcolm. But Man, watch out for those caves/giant holes! We almost lost you. :))
Haha yeah that nearly had me!
I’ve been turning like this for 15 years, and never knew it was an actual technique until today 😅 now to get from this to true carving!
How can you not carve when doing this technique? I mean when i do this the right way i automatically only carve down the slope.
@@seb9940 could be, but I want to learn carving without retraction turns. The wide curves where I can touch the slope..
I use this technique and down unweighted to ride east coast trees and moguls. Great explanation 👌
i use this for chutes and steep, crowded runs. idk about trees and moguls tho, that's still knee steering so i can skid them a bit for speed checks.
@@Gary-np7hl I agree, I also speed check when I can. I think of it as sucking up the mogul then using the force on my board the I've created to initiate my next turn
Malcolm !!!! I finally did a full carved S turn today
Now even tho its beginning level of carving i can finally carve !!!
Im really grateful you have been a huge (the main ?) help
Thank you
Awesome man, glad I'm helping!
Very good video 👍
Thanks 🙌
@@malcolmmoore , what are your binding angles?
That video comes to continue on completing a big library of techniques to work on. Very well done. May I suggest you put on your bucket list a video on how to ride moguls, because I find it can be done by sweeping them and/or turning on top of them, with each technique having its pros and cons. Keep on trucking Malcolm! Cheers from Barcelona
The underlying mechanism that you use in your retraction turns is the same as you use in your downward weighted turns being that you decrease the pressure on your edge by flexing your knees/hips/ankles allowing you the switch your edge. The only difference between the two is that in your retraction turn you don't steer much with your upper body resulting in 'open turns' in which you gain speed, while in your downward weighted turns you 'close' your turn more because you steer more/longer with your upper body allowing more control of speed.
This is the first Malcolm video I've watched, and that's what I was thinking too - "this is just an open downward unweighted turn". A quick open carve is a lot easier because you don't have to fight the same G forces that result from turning all the way across the hill. It's an interesting concept though to think of "pulling" your board back under your center of gravity as you switch edges, and I'll have to try it out the next time I go up!
Yeah, to my school of teaching those were also down unweighted turns, just doing them as quickly as possible, eliminating the straight line between the turns, making your upper body will automatically follow the fall line with just your legs and the board oscillating below it as fast an you can keep up with.
Without doubt the best explanations in snowboarding, awesome work Malc
How's the Dada going, see you using a Nidecker the other day ?
Yeah loving the amplid, nidecker have started sending me some stuff to test too, that board was a little on the thin side for me, but otherwise it was a good carving board, it was the blade 162w. Hopefully I'll be on some more of there stuff soon!
lol er yeah, watch where you're going there, buddy!
Love doing this type of turn, thought it was just me messing about, didn't realise it had an actual name. Def lots of fun when playing around. And now the borders are open again, I'll be doing them very soon. Yay!
Oh, is that the rubber duck we were looking out for in previous vids? I've still had no luck spotting it :-/
Haha yeah that's the duck, she's making a comeback in my next vid too haha
That’s how I turn, I never knew what they were called but I ride like that as it seems faster and in more control with less chance of catching an edge. No one ever taught me that as I only had a couple of lessons at the Hemel dry ski slope about 30 years ago. It just came naturally to me when I was going for speed runs on boring flat blues. It’s not as natural on my Mind Expander though.
Nice
Cheers 👍
I've always loved doing this type of carving but never knew that's what it was called
Smooooooth
you make me want to go boarding with you mate! where are you based?
This is the best way to use up the fresh untracked snow on the edges of the piste.
Yeah, the big use case is being able to carve really really tight, with your upper body staying in the fall line. It is great for that remaining half strip of cordoroid at the edge of a piste and also works on the odd non-piste agricultural way that you may use to get back to the piste from the bottom of some powder field.
Totally!
i find that this is the best way to turn on a rocker profile
The 2 best carvers going Knapton and Moore sounds like a rock band
😂
👍🏼 Great
Thanks Fabian 🙌