Let me know what sets you think belong in this evergreen subtheme and why. With enough feedback, I'll make a video going over the most popular ones, and maybe some that have strong reasons to be there.
Would love it if Lego would make sets on other elements of Star Wars, other than just the movies and tv shows. We need sets based off the Expanded Universe, so much material there for Lego to use.
Absolutely. They do some from time to time, but it's very rare. For instance, the Resistance IT-S Transport was based off the Rise of the Resistance Disney Parks ride, and Darth Vader's Castle had some inspiration from the VR game, Vader Immortal. Both have links to comic book runs too. There's even a buildable droid of BD-1 from Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor. I think maybe the most niche one they've done is the Azure Angel - Anakin's modified Starfighter from the original Clone Wars series. It even included a specific version of Asajj Ventress to go with it.
I like the idea. However, I think what would be economical for Lego is have these sets, the “ever green”, be your Army Builders. Using the OT as an example, instead of having Luke’s X-Wing, have the X-wing with three characters - a pilot, an astromec droid, and a mechanic. Three generic characters so you can use it for the Rebellion, New Republic, and the Resistance. This set is truly meant for mass production to be sold a a set price, like $50, for a few years at a time. Then every three years have Luke’s or Poe’s X-wing come in at $70 have more unique pieces and color, have have five to seven characters. The same thing can be said with the Tie-Fighter, set it at $50 with special versions of the First Order/The Empire’s at $60-70. I think viewing it as an “army builder” is a better way to describe it.
I've been thinking the same thing. Lego should apply that principle to their other themes like City too, with certain basic cars and buildings always available, but with special unique sets that release yearly with their regular 1-2 year shelf-spans.
This is along the lines of how I would think to. This way, the main characters can be used as a draw for the "mainline" new sets. I also appreciate the little add on builds they included in some sets, like construction equipment and the like. Change those up every so often, so eventually you could amass enough to put together a scene from them.
This would be so great, having a squadron of 50$ "army builder" x-wings led by a 60-70$ x-wing that's more vibrant or robust (like Poe's X-wing from 2020) would be so great and I have no doubt that most lego star wars fans would love to have options like that
I absolutely agree with the x-wing part. I love Luke as a pilot but I’m tired of only him having x-wings like I wish they’d make Wedge Antilles’ Red 2 x-wing cause that would be sick.
I think another good idea is "starter packs" similar to battlepacks but with the main cast of *insert show/movie* with a small side build for example; the bad batch, phoenix cell, the falcon crew (episode 4 crew and another set for the episode 7 crew) i love sharing my ideas for sets!
I love this idea. LEGO's logic is "why do that, when we can split them all up so you're forced to buy the whole wave?" I get their logic from a business perspective, but mannnn what I'd give to get the whole Rebels cast in one set.
We absolutely need this. It,s insane how rare Anakin Padme and Prequel Obi Wan are. Pretty sure we got more Mace Windus than Anakins in the last couple of years.
regarding the idea of the x-wing being interchangeable with different characters, making those pieces be something like a polybag would be an incredible idea for Lego. imagine being able to buy Luke’s X-wing but say you want Bigg’s X-wing or Wedge’s, buying say a $5 or $10 bag with a figure, some pieces, maybe stickers, and instructions to change the original set to those other ones would be fantastic and i’d love that. It would be cool too if a pack was made to make it the version that Rey pilots in TROS, it would be such a cool way to get unique mini figs and update a timeless set at a relatively cheap way for Lego and for the customers.
I really like the idea of the swap out parts! I think that it would work best for different squadrons on ships rather than something like the AT-AT ones, as those have significant differences
A LEGO Star Wars evergreen subtheme made up of essentials would be a perfect addition to the brand. Would allow collectors of all ages the opportunity to get essential LEGO Star Wars sets at the same time. I’ve always had an issue with LEGO putting out remakes that are subpar to their predecessor. It’s probably part of the reason why I’ve lost interest in LEGO Star Wars. This would solve that issue, as these are common sets, and as you said, there’s not much you can improve upon in just a couple years, which leads to LEGO putting out sets that aren’t as good as their predecessor. If a remake can’t be better than what came it before it, don’t put it out. Just leave the current edition on shelves, especially if it’s an in demand product. Sorry for leaving an essay lmao, this was a fantastic video that deserved a response of this size. Keep up the great work Pen.
No, I appreciate it. Probably my favorite part about the idea is that it leaves extra room for new things, which would give Star Wars even more variety than its already getting with all the recent content.
I'm not huge into Lego Star Wars, but I found your ideas really engaging and your business proposals solid. Start to finish was very well done; I was hooked the whole time. You should feel proud of your work. Great job.
I love this idea, and I would definitely recommend the mtt to be a evergreen set. it's iconic from phantom menace, comes with a load of battle droids, and they can even offer a alt color one for the cis version from the clone wars. same build just different colored pieces. heck even have a addon pack that includes a alternate rack build to hold super battle droids instead of b1s.
another thing that popped into my head for this, to include some regular mini figs and not just the droids. for example: phantom menace version includes 2-3 generic gungan warriors, clone wars version includes 2-3 shiny phase 1 or 2 clone troopers. make it a bit more worth it for army builders.
What I think would work for this line is it starts off as regular normal retail sets that are then moved into the “Evergreen” line that is more or less a Lego exclusive keeping iconic sets available until an updated version is released. What I think should always be available for Sets: 1. X-Wing 2. The Falcon 3. A Tie Fighter 4. Anakin’s Jedi Starfighter 5. Imperial AT-AT 6. Imperial AT-ST 7. Republic Gunship 8. Droid AAT 9. Naboo Starfighter 10. Luke’s Landspeeder Battlepacks should be separate from sets, and need to include a minimum of 3 of the exact same trooper if not all 4 the same. 1. Clone troopers P1 (BARC Speeder) 2. Clone Troopers P2 (AT-RT) 3. Droid battle pack 4. Imperial Stormtroopers 5. First order stormtroopers The rest should follow your idea of being interchangeable parts having completely swappable parts to make dozen of different trooper options just by buying multiples of the same sets 6. Rebel troopers 7. Resistance troopers 8. Mandalorians 9. Jedi 10. Pirates (like Jabba’s henchmen)
I came up with a set series called "Legions". Basically a type of set included in every wave similar to brickheadz, microfighters etc. The set consists of a build and 4-5 minifigures, 2 named, 2-3 troops. This way, we could get Clone Wars minifigures like Anakin and Rex +501st troopers, Obi Wan and Cody +212th, Plo Koon and Wolffe +Wolfpack troopers etc. in just one set. Include one per wave and you get 4 different clone legions per year, leaving enough space for Lego to cover current star wars media. This structure can also be adapted for OT content, make a set with Luke Leia Han Chewie and Lando for example. The goal of these sets is that collectors have access to essential character figures for a good price.
I think Lego did the the idea of a package refresh with the first wave of Toy Story sets from 2010 going into the third movie and its tie in sets which in that case, Lego seems to have overlooked that strategy themselves. If I had to choose sets to be evergreen, I would pick Republic gunship and Sith infiltrator. The former since that one has the most custmization potential and the latter since it would be at least one way to get Darth Maul consistently and have one vehicle to represent the first episode which has already had iterations before.
I totally agree with the concept of this idea and would love lego to do it. But you also have to remember that they know what they are doing. By making sets especially battle packs, not include just generic troopers all the time it means people have to keep buying loads of them and then they end up with something like 50 darth vaders. But thats whats clever about their marketing. They pull you in with the unique characters and then add in some others that noone is perticularly interest in and that way your pay for a product which only contains half of what you actually want. This means you then want to buy more than one to make up for it. Overally though i would love them to do actual battle packs that are just characters and or with one speeder or something but make them as cheap as they can i.e £10 or so.
I was very on the edge of putting it here, and honestly, I'm not sure why I didn't include it. Compared to all the other Republic forces, its probably the most iconic.
@@PenPlays I can respect that decision, it is tougher to determine evergreen sets for the Prequels, compared to the OT, but if you include Rey's speeder, it belongs there too. There could be a conversation about whether or not an AT-TE belongs there as well, the demand indicates as such, yet I am Prequel biased so I can't judge properly.
I will never understand the popularity of that ship in the lego community (I've never seen it brought up anywhere else). I just kinda assumed that it was popular because it's good for people who army build. I always thought of it as the Minivan of Star Wars. I would say the Naboo Starfighter is the X-Wing of the prequels.
@@broncojuan It is popular because it appears in the majority of Prequel media (except for TPM of course) it is present in two movies and at least every second Clone Wars arc. That's why I wouldn't say the N1 comes even close to that. It appears once (twice if you count the 5 seconds in the beginning of AOTC) the X-WING, in comparison, appears every movie.
Another example of packaging changes can be seen in Mega’s products. They changed a ton of 2020 Halo Infinite sets to have the new Mega logo and new box design, but the sets and figures stayed the same.
Yeha those movies are genuinely bad, like there is no saving grace of having cool designs and world building like the prequels, the cheesy dialogue in the prequels became naturally funny when they weren’t designed as such, sequels is filled with rehashes and uninteresting designs and forced humour they are subpar bad movies now and forever will be.
LEGO have actually done a packaging refresh for Star Wars sets once before. The 2004 wave of Original Trilogy sets was first released in special edition boxes with silver details, then promptly re-released with the blue house style of LEGO boxes of the time.
I'd love it if they made a Star Wars video game sub-theme where they made sets based on the video games like Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor, Battlefront, The Old Republic, etc. We already got some of those in the past with the Force Unleashed Rogue Shadow in 2007, SWTOR sets in 2012 and 2013, and the Inferno Squad battle pack from EA's Battlefront II, not to mention the buildable BD-1.
I really like this idea there are about 5 sets that should stay all year long and that’s an x wing a tie fighter millennium falcon and something with darth Vader and hopefully some prequel sets too
A republic gunship that is colour swapped every once in a while would work well. plain, 104th, coruscant guard and lego could do that with multiple rebel ships too for the likes of the partisans and phoenix cell.
It's exactly why I thought of that idea of add-on packs. They'd be priced to size, of course, but you can just buy a base set, and then modify it with the add-on
We do have to keep in mind that some sets simply do not sell as good as other sets, so it's actually beneficial for LEGO to retire sets like that. That means they don't have to spend more money on making sets that might not sell, or at least set for the amount they want, but if they do retire a set, that means they have an open spot on store shelves to put something new in!
I believe Jabba's throne room should be evergreen. I was thrilled they rereleased it as a Mandalorian set! Yoda's swamp dwelling is also iconic yet highly redesignable, and likely to spark joy with every inviting iteration.
I think new parts for battle droids would be good as current battle droids kinda just are made up of clips that will break on mine despite not being touched lol
Part swap packs are a cool idea but lego wouldn't do them because it would take everything to make the part pack but only a fraction of the people who bought the set would buy it. Also most battle packs would need atleast 1 different trooper as regular people would be bored with 4 generic troopers so sales would be hurt and they also allow people to obtain a quantity of rarer troopers like the shock trooper or another uncommon one i can't think of. (i say battle pack golden ratio is 2 generics with 2 different troopers like the first clone troopers battle pack)
One thing I'd also suggest is that, with a package refresh, LEGO could also rerelease the same set under a different trilogy/movie. For example, they could keep the Millennium Falcon build around, but at the usual refresh time, they could make the EPVI version an EPVII version, or an EPIV version, etc. This would obviously change the budget slightly, but if LEGO wants to incentivize people who already have the Falcon to buy another, it accomplishes this without having to redesign the build. Alternatively, on "refresh years," they could just release companion sets for the larger models. For example, when the Episode IV Falcon is 4-7 years old, release a Home One set that has all of the figs to make it an EP VI version, or a Bespin set with the Han and Leia to make it an EP V version. That way, they can avoid $15 parts packs if they want, but still give the option to redo the Falcon build as people want it. And on a more drastic change, they could also release the exactly same Delta-7 build with a different color scheme for Ahsoka instead of Anakin, etc.. Again, a little more budget, but not as much as releasing a full new design for it.
Remember when Lego rereleased that one Fiat set in a different colour? That kinda counts as a packaging refresh but they haven't done it since, even though they made a big deal out of it at the time
Fantastic ideas, I think the clone trooper pack should include both phase 1 and 2 helmet option and I disagree that the stormtrooper pack has to just be storm troopers. We see so many imperial officers staffing imperial ships and installations than I think they are equally massable and the stormtrooper should include at least 1 if not 2
all though i have made several comments countering things you have said i am completely on board with this idea and would love to see lego actually do this.
I think a regularly priced Battle Droid battle pack should have 8 figures. Not 4. 5 normal B1s and 3 Super Battle Droids. Have a Droideka and Stap as the build too. Maybe do A Geonosis variant with a Dwarf Spider Droid instead with red B1s and a Utapu one with a Crab Droid instead.
With the idea for a prequel jedi interceptor and starship, have the first one be lets say an obi wan interceptor and an anakin starfighter, then in maybe 3 years with the exact same builds, reskin them and swap the jedi over
Very interesting idea, would love to see true battle packs like that also, highly doubt the sequel trilogy will ever be as liked as the prequel trilogy
If most of the major OT sets get saved for the evergreen line, it'd mean more room for Prequels stuff in the mainline. This would be a side thing, not taking the whole thing over, so it'd allow for stuff like that (it's actually part of why I conceptualized the idea in the first place. We simply don't get enough)
Finally, someone talks about this issue. I am very tired of LEGO re-making a set years later after the initial release. You buy an AT-AT and you like it, you say to yourself, this is the best one and LEGO just decides, yeah it's not good enough and they make another one. The only option you can solve this issue is by buying a UCS ser which, not many people afford. If they do decide to make a Definitive Collector Series that are the best of the best and never get improved they would need to: - Upgrade printing machines, yes, I am tired of getting my R2-D2 head print tilted. - Remove stickers, I know it's going to be expensive, but no one likes stickers. - Make minifigures accurate and perfect, that means no hybrid between cartoon and movies like the 2020 style, 2014 style of clones are superior, add some leg printing, arm printing, MORE CLOTH PIECES, PONCHOS, PAULDRONS, etc. - Make the sets affordable-ish, make the sets stunning to look at and accurate, custom molds, etc.
They could have an AT-AT in an Endor moon themed box. Include a scout trooper and two stormtroopers, an Imperial officer, and the two drivers. Then they should have a small box set, say for $20 or $30, with Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, including a small build for the platform that the AT-AT is docked at from Return of the Jedi.😂 I was most 11 years old and Return to the Jedi was in theaters, but my parents only allowed for me to have the Marvel comic book adaptation. For many reasons I always will love that, because it allowed for me to recreate scenes whenever I wanted without having to watch the movie.
I feel like the ideal evergreen TIE fighter would have at least two pairs of interchangable "wings". The first one could have parts for a pair of traditional hexagon wings and a pair of interceptor wings, a future one could replace those with treads, etc. It would require some more design ingenuity, but I think a bomber or defender could be worked in as alt-modes, too. Vader's TIE may be too specific, though, so it could be a set that just gets remade every now and then. I suppose you could even work in First Order/Final Order alt-modes.
I totally see where you're coming from, and it's a smart idea. Thing is tho, regardless of which TIE you end up making, there's gonna be tons of pieces leftover that will make the set cost more than it probably should.
If Lego just released a battlepack for the Empire and the Republic including at least five figs like in the 501st troopers set I’m sure they could keep them up for years as long as it has desirable minifigs such as a bulk of stormtroopers and one or two rebels.The Republic battlepack could just be 3 grunts and two normal b1’s.
To be fair, LEGO definitely has some evergreen sets, such as the fact that they periodically release a City Passenger Train and Cargo Train. Those are generally the only train sets available, and therefore they last for many years before getting a refresh.
@@PenPlays But I agree with you that LEGO needs to be more intentional with their Star Wars offerings. The most powerful thing you said is that they shouldn't put exclusive or named characters in unnamed vehicle sets (like TIE fighters and bombers), because people are likely to want to buy more than one. However, the Star Destroyer is a great set to include special minifigures, since most people are likely to only purchase one.
@@kentslocum What's great too is, that if they were to do specific ones, like, say, a TIE Defender, that's where you'd include characters like Thrawn or Pryce, along with say, a single Stormtrooper and the specific pilot they brought out to take its maiden voyage in Rebels. Not like we won't see Vader show up in a set nearly once a year anyways
@@PenPlays Total agreement. For example, the First Order Special Forces TIE Fighter variant was a set that might have been a good opportunity to include Finn and Poe as named characters (in addition to two generic pilots), since it was a unique variant with a specific movie tie-in and a limited period of release. But the regular Imperial TIE Fighter evergreen sets should just have a TIE pilot and a couple stormtroopers.
instead of a rebel or droid battle pack, id throw ina First Order Trooper battle pack with 4 FO orders, that way we have a battle pack of each trilogy in the evergreen battle packs.
I was speculating the idea of the Stormtrooper Battle Pack swapping between both eras, but I'm unsure if the First Order Stormies have that kinda longevity just yet.
You lost me when you said the sequel trilogy will be more beloved over time they completely threw Luke’s morals in the gutter never in a million years will I rewatch that trilogy!
I would make an argument with the stormtrooper battlepack would be to at least include 1 or 2 imperial army troopers (maybe the car build from andor), many fans will agree we are long overdue for some army troopers
Since these Battle Packs would not hinder the usual kinds of Battle Packs we get (ones with specific troopers in them, like the 501st on that released in 2023), in this hypothetical scenario, we could easily see sets with them happen.
It's kinda exploded on all the commentary scenes with that perfect remaster they released, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Then there's me being cheeky and adding Metroid Samus Returns music in the video as well, because it's also just that good.
Might be necessary in the event that a package refresh is a genuine variant. Like, say swapping General Dodonna for Biggs Darklighter while they redesign the box. A different set number would be warranted in that case. That's been a pain with the Resistance Bomber's Finch Dallow variant in a way, despite the box swapping the figures out.
What if when they redo the millennium falcon they started with a new hope, and then repackaged the same ship with empire strikes back figures a year later. Then the same for jedi in another year and so on and so forth. I think it would be really cool, gives us figures we've never had before and it would be cheap for lego. The way I'd do it is: A new hope: Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Obiwan, Vader, And a stormtrooper. The side build would be the scanning machine. The empire strikes back: Han, Chewie, Leia, 3po, Lando, Lobot, Bespin guard. The side build would be a treadwell droid and a minoch. Return of the jedi: Lando, Nien numb, Rebel trooper, Rebel ground crew, Wedge antilles, Admril ackbar. The side build would be a ship matinence cart. The force awakens: Han, Chewie, Rey, Finn, BB-8, Guavian death gang leader and member. The side build would be a rathtar, and the radar dish is changed to rectangle until episode 9. The last jedi: A bunch of Porgs, Rey (poncho), Chewie, R2, Luke, Nun and finally a shirtless Kylo. The side build would be the porg camp fire. The rise of skywalker: Lando, Chewie, R2, Finn, Poe, Kluad, Jahnna. The sidebuild would be a space horse. I know there's also solo, but that Falcon's such a big departure I decided not to do it.
That's be a neat idea, but for some thing like the base TIE, that'd be a lot of leftover pieces left unused that would go into, say a TIE Bomber. Knowing LEGO, they'd makes sure the TIE Advanced is its own thing to make sure the casual shoppers know "this is Darth Vader's" I love that idea, but it might be a better idea for the more niche models, like the TIE Interceptor, Outland TIE Fighter, or the TIE Defender
I think there should be majority from ot like X wing Tie fighter and so on, then maybe 3 from the prequels like jedi starfighter design where you can change the colours for each Jedi, a republic gunship, and ATTE, the one or two from the sequels because they have a much smaller fanbase, because most people suffer from clone brain
I’m so tired of Red 5 being the only T65 X-wing that gets produced. Where’s Hera’s Phoenix Squadron X-Wing or Blue Squadron from Rogue One? Attack on Lothal and Battle of Scarif might not be as iconic as the Battle of Yavin but they’re just as great (in my opinion better).
I like the idea from a consumer/lego fan point of view, but it just doesn't make economic sense for lego. You mention that it would reduce cost for lego, well that's not the issue. Lego has plenty of capital to invest, the supply side is set. The issue is demand. These evergreen sets aren't gonna complement existing sets and justify their parallel existence by being lest costly, they're going to displace some sets from every new wave of Star Wars. These sets won't increase demand for star wars by anywhere near the amount required to have say five extra sets in production, so some sets are gonna be cut every year because they'd have to compete in an even greater lineup. Basically, the only way this can happen is if we accept a drop in the number of new sets being released because there simply isn't enough demand for both. Your average parent isn't gonna distinguish between sets in that way. This sort of thing can only really be justified in sets with very high cost and specialized demand, like the Falcon which is targeted at adults/Star Wars fans and not the general lego consumers
This sounds like a good idea but I don’t like it , theirs just this joy to get a set , it retire , and then get a new version of that set and know the version you got will never be like the newer one , but that newer one still be just as fun
That's exactly what this video talks about. The idea is that there's _always_ a version of all these things out. Remakes have to come, or they'd get stale.
Let me know what sets you think belong in this evergreen subtheme and why.
With enough feedback, I'll make a video going over the most popular ones, and maybe some that have strong reasons to be there.
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Bro the slave 1 is a perfect set for that, I still hate that I missed the 20th anniversary one so that's the set I would include
Get rid of Rey’s speeder
@JLikesStarwars no
Would love it if Lego would make sets on other elements of Star Wars, other than just the movies and tv shows. We need sets based off the Expanded Universe, so much material there for Lego to use.
Absolutely. They do some from time to time, but it's very rare. For instance, the Resistance IT-S Transport was based off the Rise of the Resistance Disney Parks ride, and Darth Vader's Castle had some inspiration from the VR game, Vader Immortal. Both have links to comic book runs too. There's even a buildable droid of BD-1 from Jedi Fallen Order/Survivor. I think maybe the most niche one they've done is the Azure Angel - Anakin's modified Starfighter from the original Clone Wars series. It even included a specific version of Asajj Ventress to go with it.
Last year's fighter tank is completely expanded universe/videogame related except for the clone wars windu
That's another fantastic example!
@@PenPlays the TIE Crawler many years passed was from the Dark Empire trilogy.
Bto they re not even releasing everything we need from canon and you want them to make more legends sets?
I like the idea. However, I think what would be economical for Lego is have these sets, the “ever green”, be your Army Builders. Using the OT as an example, instead of having Luke’s X-Wing, have the X-wing with three characters - a pilot, an astromec droid, and a mechanic. Three generic characters so you can use it for the Rebellion, New Republic, and the Resistance. This set is truly meant for mass production to be sold a a set price, like $50, for a few years at a time. Then every three years have Luke’s or Poe’s X-wing come in at $70 have more unique pieces and color, have have five to seven characters. The same thing can be said with the Tie-Fighter, set it at $50 with special versions of the First Order/The Empire’s at $60-70. I think viewing it as an “army builder” is a better way to describe it.
I've been thinking the same thing. Lego should apply that principle to their other themes like City too, with certain basic cars and buildings always available, but with special unique sets that release yearly with their regular 1-2 year shelf-spans.
This is along the lines of how I would think to. This way, the main characters can be used as a draw for the "mainline" new sets.
I also appreciate the little add on builds they included in some sets, like construction equipment and the like. Change those up every so often, so eventually you could amass enough to put together a scene from them.
This would be so great, having a squadron of 50$ "army builder" x-wings led by a 60-70$ x-wing that's more vibrant or robust (like Poe's X-wing from 2020) would be so great and I have no doubt that most lego star wars fans would love to have options like that
I absolutely agree with the x-wing part. I love Luke as a pilot but I’m tired of only him having x-wings like I wish they’d make Wedge Antilles’ Red 2 x-wing cause that would be sick.
I think another good idea is "starter packs" similar to battlepacks but with the main cast of *insert show/movie* with a small side build for example; the bad batch, phoenix cell, the falcon crew (episode 4 crew and another set for the episode 7 crew) i love sharing my ideas for sets!
I love this idea.
LEGO's logic is "why do that, when we can split them all up so you're forced to buy the whole wave?"
I get their logic from a business perspective, but mannnn what I'd give to get the whole Rebels cast in one set.
We absolutely need this. It,s insane how rare Anakin Padme and Prequel Obi Wan are. Pretty sure we got more Mace Windus than Anakins in the last couple of years.
regarding the idea of the x-wing being interchangeable with different characters, making those pieces be something like a polybag would be an incredible idea for Lego. imagine being able to buy Luke’s X-wing but say you want Bigg’s X-wing or Wedge’s, buying say a $5 or $10 bag with a figure, some pieces, maybe stickers, and instructions to change the original set to those other ones would be fantastic and i’d love that. It would be cool too if a pack was made to make it the version that Rey pilots in TROS, it would be such a cool way to get unique mini figs and update a timeless set at a relatively cheap way for Lego and for the customers.
I really like the idea of the swap out parts! I think that it would work best for different squadrons on ships rather than something like the AT-AT ones, as those have significant differences
The squadrons are my primary want with that concept, so I'm glad that comes across as a great idea!
A LEGO Star Wars evergreen subtheme made up of essentials would be a perfect addition to the brand. Would allow collectors of all ages the opportunity to get essential LEGO Star Wars sets at the same time.
I’ve always had an issue with LEGO putting out remakes that are subpar to their predecessor. It’s probably part of the reason why I’ve lost interest in LEGO Star Wars.
This would solve that issue, as these are common sets, and as you said, there’s not much you can improve upon in just a couple years, which leads to LEGO putting out sets that aren’t as good as their predecessor. If a remake can’t be better than what came it before it, don’t put it out. Just leave the current edition on shelves, especially if it’s an in demand product.
Sorry for leaving an essay lmao, this was a fantastic video that deserved a response of this size. Keep up the great work Pen.
No, I appreciate it.
Probably my favorite part about the idea is that it leaves extra room for new things, which would give Star Wars even more variety than its already getting with all the recent content.
I'm not huge into Lego Star Wars, but I found your ideas really engaging and your business proposals solid. Start to finish was very well done; I was hooked the whole time. You should feel proud of your work. Great job.
Thank you so much. I appreciate your kinds words!
I love this idea, and I would definitely recommend the mtt to be a evergreen set. it's iconic from phantom menace, comes with a load of battle droids, and they can even offer a alt color one for the cis version from the clone wars. same build just different colored pieces. heck even have a addon pack that includes a alternate rack build to hold super battle droids instead of b1s.
another thing that popped into my head for this, to include some regular mini figs and not just the droids. for example: phantom menace version includes 2-3 generic gungan warriors, clone wars version includes 2-3 shiny phase 1 or 2 clone troopers. make it a bit more worth it for army builders.
What I think would work for this line is it starts off as regular normal retail sets that are then moved into the “Evergreen” line that is more or less a Lego exclusive keeping iconic sets available until an updated version is released.
What I think should always be available for Sets:
1. X-Wing
2. The Falcon
3. A Tie Fighter
4. Anakin’s Jedi Starfighter
5. Imperial AT-AT
6. Imperial AT-ST
7. Republic Gunship
8. Droid AAT
9. Naboo Starfighter
10. Luke’s Landspeeder
Battlepacks should be separate from sets, and need to include a minimum of 3 of the exact same trooper if not all 4 the same.
1. Clone troopers P1 (BARC Speeder)
2. Clone Troopers P2 (AT-RT)
3. Droid battle pack
4. Imperial Stormtroopers
5. First order stormtroopers
The rest should follow your idea of being interchangeable parts having completely swappable parts to make dozen of different trooper options just by buying multiples of the same sets
6. Rebel troopers
7. Resistance troopers
8. Mandalorians
9. Jedi
10. Pirates (like Jabba’s henchmen)
I came up with a set series called "Legions". Basically a type of set included in every wave similar to brickheadz, microfighters etc. The set consists of a build and 4-5 minifigures, 2 named, 2-3 troops.
This way, we could get Clone Wars minifigures like Anakin and Rex +501st troopers, Obi Wan and Cody +212th, Plo Koon and Wolffe +Wolfpack troopers etc. in just one set. Include one per wave and you get 4 different clone legions per year, leaving enough space for Lego to cover current star wars media. This structure can also be adapted for OT content, make a set with Luke Leia Han Chewie and Lando for example. The goal of these sets is that collectors have access to essential character figures for a good price.
I think Lego did the the idea of a package refresh with the first wave of Toy Story sets from 2010 going into the third movie and its tie in sets which in that case, Lego seems to have overlooked that strategy themselves. If I had to choose sets to be evergreen, I would pick Republic gunship and Sith infiltrator. The former since that one has the most custmization potential and the latter since it would be at least one way to get Darth Maul consistently and have one vehicle to represent the first episode which has already had iterations before.
I totally agree with the concept of this idea and would love lego to do it. But you also have to remember that they know what they are doing. By making sets especially battle packs, not include just generic troopers all the time it means people have to keep buying loads of them and then they end up with something like 50 darth vaders. But thats whats clever about their marketing. They pull you in with the unique characters and then add in some others that noone is perticularly interest in and that way your pay for a product which only contains half of what you actually want. This means you then want to buy more than one to make up for it.
Overally though i would love them to do actual battle packs that are just characters and or with one speeder or something but make them as cheap as they can i.e £10 or so.
I love this idea, but I think that a Gunship belongs into this line as the X-Wing of the Prequels in terms of popularity.
Also, these Add-On Packs would be awesome for different versions such as the Muunilist one
I was very on the edge of putting it here, and honestly, I'm not sure why I didn't include it. Compared to all the other Republic forces, its probably the most iconic.
@@PenPlays I can respect that decision, it is tougher to determine evergreen sets for the Prequels, compared to the OT, but if you include Rey's speeder, it belongs there too. There could be a conversation about whether or not an AT-TE belongs there as well, the demand indicates as such, yet I am Prequel biased so I can't judge properly.
I will never understand the popularity of that ship in the lego community (I've never seen it brought up anywhere else). I just kinda assumed that it was popular because it's good for people who army build. I always thought of it as the Minivan of Star Wars. I would say the Naboo Starfighter is the X-Wing of the prequels.
@@broncojuan It is popular because it appears in the majority of Prequel media (except for TPM of course) it is present in two movies and at least every second Clone Wars arc. That's why I wouldn't say the N1 comes even close to that. It appears once (twice if you count the 5 seconds in the beginning of AOTC) the X-WING, in comparison, appears every movie.
Completely agree, some sets should always be around for obvious reasons.
Another example of packaging changes can be seen in Mega’s products. They changed a ton of 2020 Halo Infinite sets to have the new Mega logo and new box design, but the sets and figures stayed the same.
We NEED a new Vader's tie fighter we haven't had one in years
You lost me at ” the sequels will be beloved” lol
Yeha those movies are genuinely bad, like there is no saving grace of having cool designs and world building like the prequels, the cheesy dialogue in the prequels became naturally funny when they weren’t designed as such, sequels is filled with rehashes and uninteresting designs and forced humour they are subpar bad movies now and forever will be.
LEGO have actually done a packaging refresh for Star Wars sets once before. The 2004 wave of Original Trilogy sets was first released in special edition boxes with silver details, then promptly re-released with the blue house style of LEGO boxes of the time.
It was a different time back then for them. A shaky time. So now with their feet planted firmly on the ground. Might as well try again, right?
@@PenPlays Absolutely, it’s a great idea 😊
Pen Plays for Lego CEO when?
Not the topic of the video but for me the 2021 Lukes X-Wing was a big step down from the 2019 one, not just in size but also detail and funktion
I think the evergreen sets could be good if it was a lego store exclusive
I'd love it if they made a Star Wars video game sub-theme where they made sets based on the video games like Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor, Battlefront, The Old Republic, etc. We already got some of those in the past with the Force Unleashed Rogue Shadow in 2007, SWTOR sets in 2012 and 2013, and the Inferno Squad battle pack from EA's Battlefront II, not to mention the buildable BD-1.
I really like this idea there are about 5 sets that should stay all year long and that’s an x wing a tie fighter millennium falcon and something with darth Vader and hopefully some prequel sets too
personally thrilled that the sets that represent the lego star wars identity and continue bringing in the cash is the original trilogy sets.
A republic gunship that is colour swapped every once in a while would work well. plain, 104th, coruscant guard and lego could do that with multiple rebel ships too for the likes of the partisans and phoenix cell.
It's exactly why I thought of that idea of add-on packs. They'd be priced to size, of course, but you can just buy a base set, and then modify it with the add-on
CG is happening lol
@@coolfeet1 I know, that's not the point l.
battle packs with a set of regular clones, droids, storm troopers, rebellion, first order, and resistance
It's crazy to me that they take up so many slots with rehash sets each year and how they retire sets like the razor crest or havic marauder so quickly
We do have to keep in mind that some sets simply do not sell as good as other sets, so it's actually beneficial for LEGO to retire sets like that. That means they don't have to spend more money on making sets that might not sell, or at least set for the amount they want, but if they do retire a set, that means they have an open spot on store shelves to put something new in!
@@PenPlays I just assumed those sets would sell well especially the razor crest but I guess they do know more than me haha
@@skinnyj123 Well, you can still buy all Razorcrests that fit minifigs in the cockpit, so I'd wager it's doing pretty well for being around this long
I believe Jabba's throne room should be evergreen. I was thrilled they rereleased it as a Mandalorian set! Yoda's swamp dwelling is also iconic yet highly redesignable, and likely to spark joy with every inviting iteration.
I think new parts for battle droids would be good as current battle droids kinda just are made up of clips that will break on mine despite not being touched lol
Part swap packs are a cool idea but lego wouldn't do them because it would take everything to make the part pack but only a fraction of the people who bought the set would buy it. Also most battle packs would need atleast 1 different trooper as regular people would be bored with 4 generic troopers so sales would be hurt and they also allow people to obtain a quantity of rarer troopers like the shock trooper or another uncommon one i can't think of. (i say battle pack golden ratio is 2 generics with 2 different troopers like the first clone troopers battle pack)
Lol I was the one who took the pic of the target shelves here at 3:49
One thing I'd also suggest is that, with a package refresh, LEGO could also rerelease the same set under a different trilogy/movie. For example, they could keep the Millennium Falcon build around, but at the usual refresh time, they could make the EPVI version an EPVII version, or an EPIV version, etc.
This would obviously change the budget slightly, but if LEGO wants to incentivize people who already have the Falcon to buy another, it accomplishes this without having to redesign the build. Alternatively, on "refresh years," they could just release companion sets for the larger models. For example, when the Episode IV Falcon is 4-7 years old, release a Home One set that has all of the figs to make it an EP VI version, or a Bespin set with the Han and Leia to make it an EP V version. That way, they can avoid $15 parts packs if they want, but still give the option to redo the Falcon build as people want it.
And on a more drastic change, they could also release the exactly same Delta-7 build with a different color scheme for Ahsoka instead of Anakin, etc.. Again, a little more budget, but not as much as releasing a full new design for it.
Remember when Lego rereleased that one Fiat set in a different colour? That kinda counts as a packaging refresh but they haven't done it since, even though they made a big deal out of it at the time
I hate how the TROS millenum falcon is the one thats sticking around. I want an OT falcon with han solo.
I’ve actually been holding off on buying one for that exact reason. Still a great set, but I’d love to have the OT cast
@@PenPlays I agree about the build; it's much better than the previous ones in that respect.
Fantastic ideas, I think the clone trooper pack should include both phase 1 and 2 helmet option and I disagree that the stormtrooper pack has to just be storm troopers. We see so many imperial officers staffing imperial ships and installations than I think they are equally massable and the stormtrooper should include at least 1 if not 2
like to point out captain rex's y-wing is just a dream they more likely will never make it.
This is a great idea
Brilliant!
all though i have made several comments countering things you have said i am completely on board with this idea and would love to see lego actually do this.
I think a regularly priced Battle Droid battle pack should have 8 figures. Not 4. 5 normal B1s and 3 Super Battle Droids. Have a Droideka and Stap as the build too. Maybe do A Geonosis variant with a Dwarf Spider Droid instead with red B1s and a Utapu one with a Crab Droid instead.
The last Luke’s landspeeder from 2019 is actually such a good set
I love your evergreen set idea! That is so smart!
I like the idea. I think the sets overall should be iconic in the universe as well as some army builderish sets
The sequel trilogy will never be loved.
I can't wait for a new variation of a landspeeder next year!
Excellent concept, video and montage. Continue like that 👍
Thank you, I appreciate that.
With the idea for a prequel jedi interceptor and starship, have the first one be lets say an obi wan interceptor and an anakin starfighter, then in maybe 3 years with the exact same builds, reskin them and swap the jedi over
Very interesting idea, would love to see true battle packs like that
also, highly doubt the sequel trilogy will ever be as liked as the prequel trilogy
Needs more prequel sets tho
If most of the major OT sets get saved for the evergreen line, it'd mean more room for Prequels stuff in the mainline. This would be a side thing, not taking the whole thing over, so it'd allow for stuff like that (it's actually part of why I conceptualized the idea in the first place. We simply don't get enough)
Finally, someone talks about this issue. I am very tired of LEGO re-making a set years later after the initial release. You buy an AT-AT and you like it, you say to yourself, this is the best one and LEGO just decides, yeah it's not good enough and they make another one. The only option you can solve this issue is by buying a UCS ser which, not many people afford.
If they do decide to make a Definitive Collector Series that are the best of the best and never get improved they would need to:
- Upgrade printing machines, yes, I am tired of getting my R2-D2 head print tilted.
- Remove stickers, I know it's going to be expensive, but no one likes stickers.
- Make minifigures accurate and perfect, that means no hybrid between cartoon and movies like the 2020 style, 2014 style of clones are superior, add some leg printing, arm printing, MORE CLOTH PIECES, PONCHOS, PAULDRONS, etc.
- Make the sets affordable-ish, make the sets stunning to look at and accurate, custom molds, etc.
I really like this idea. I'd say add a playscale Death Star to the list, too.
They could have an AT-AT in an Endor moon themed box. Include a scout trooper and two stormtroopers, an Imperial officer, and the two drivers. Then they should have a small box set, say for $20 or $30, with Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader, including a small build for the platform that the AT-AT is docked at from Return of the Jedi.😂 I was most 11 years old and Return to the Jedi was in theaters, but my parents only allowed for me to have the Marvel comic book adaptation. For many reasons I always will love that, because it allowed for me to recreate scenes whenever I wanted without having to watch the movie.
SAND BLUE DOME
I feel like the ideal evergreen TIE fighter would have at least two pairs of interchangable "wings". The first one could have parts for a pair of traditional hexagon wings and a pair of interceptor wings, a future one could replace those with treads, etc. It would require some more design ingenuity, but I think a bomber or defender could be worked in as alt-modes, too. Vader's TIE may be too specific, though, so it could be a set that just gets remade every now and then. I suppose you could even work in First Order/Final Order alt-modes.
I totally see where you're coming from, and it's a smart idea.
Thing is tho, regardless of which TIE you end up making, there's gonna be tons of pieces leftover that will make the set cost more than it probably should.
Brilliant idea.
Love the idea of having add on packs/swapping out bits, if anything it would make them more money as you buy a 2nd set plus an add on
Precisely. Means a squadron for us, and more money in LEGO’s pocket for doing cool things.
Hold on, this man has a genuine point.
"The sequel trilogy will be just as beloved in time."
Nope. Nuh uh! Never!
Make this man the new lego ceo
I like this idea.
So agree, that Falcon is perfect, just change out some figures and the packaging and maybe brand them classics, nice video btw 👍
imagine they make a set no one likes that would be on shelves for years and these sets would reduce the amount of sets we get per year.
That was the idea behind them assessing the viability of the product regularly. If they see that it must be retired, then they'll make that happen.
i was a freshman in hs when the falcon came out and in a month im graduating from hs. great set i love it though
Congrats!
the current millennium falcon is probably the peak of that set
If Lego just released a battlepack for the Empire and the Republic including at least five figs like in the 501st troopers set I’m sure they could keep them up for years as long as it has desirable minifigs such as a bulk of stormtroopers and one or two rebels.The Republic battlepack could just be 3 grunts and two normal b1’s.
I hope lego sees this
For the battle clone battle pack it should be called army pack
To be fair, LEGO definitely has some evergreen sets, such as the fact that they periodically release a City Passenger Train and Cargo Train. Those are generally the only train sets available, and therefore they last for many years before getting a refresh.
Exactly. They have experience there.
@@PenPlays But I agree with you that LEGO needs to be more intentional with their Star Wars offerings. The most powerful thing you said is that they shouldn't put exclusive or named characters in unnamed vehicle sets (like TIE fighters and bombers), because people are likely to want to buy more than one. However, the Star Destroyer is a great set to include special minifigures, since most people are likely to only purchase one.
@@kentslocum What's great too is, that if they were to do specific ones, like, say, a TIE Defender, that's where you'd include characters like Thrawn or Pryce, along with say, a single Stormtrooper and the specific pilot they brought out to take its maiden voyage in Rebels.
Not like we won't see Vader show up in a set nearly once a year anyways
@@PenPlays Total agreement. For example, the First Order Special Forces TIE Fighter variant was a set that might have been a good opportunity to include Finn and Poe as named characters (in addition to two generic pilots), since it was a unique variant with a specific movie tie-in and a limited period of release. But the regular Imperial TIE Fighter evergreen sets should just have a TIE pilot and a couple stormtroopers.
instead of a rebel or droid battle pack, id throw ina First Order Trooper battle pack with 4 FO orders, that way we have a battle pack of each trilogy in the evergreen battle packs.
I was speculating the idea of the Stormtrooper Battle Pack swapping between both eras, but I'm unsure if the First Order Stormies have that kinda longevity just yet.
You lost me when you said the sequel trilogy will be more beloved over time they completely threw Luke’s morals in the gutter never in a million years will I rewatch that trilogy!
Cope harder lol
@TsmHedorah the sequels are objectively trash and they don't sell.
Shelf space and variety
That's the goal!
Great video! This idea sounds great!
Death Star should always be available. No extra arguments needed.
Very valid. Preferably an affordable one. Maybe in the same size of the LEGO IDEAS Globe.
Yess
They would need to be updated every 3-5 years, but yeah, these ships should always be on shelves
Like I said in the video. Yep.
@@PenPlays 👍
I would make an argument with the stormtrooper battlepack would be to at least include 1 or 2 imperial army troopers (maybe the car build from andor), many fans will agree we are long overdue for some army troopers
Since these Battle Packs would not hinder the usual kinds of Battle Packs we get (ones with specific troopers in them, like the 501st on that released in 2023), in this hypothetical scenario, we could easily see sets with them happen.
Unrelated but I respect the Metriod Prime background music
Thank you. I decided to go with Metroid music specifically, to fit in with the sci-fi space theming
@@PenPlays And it totally works. I remember NickonPlanetRipple uses it too with his old Bionicle Megareviews and I can't get enough of thay music
It's kinda exploded on all the commentary scenes with that perfect remaster they released, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Then there's me being cheeky and adding Metroid Samus Returns music in the video as well, because it's also just that good.
@@PenPlays Yea I've always thoguht Metroid music was the best of Nintendo music. Like, it rivals Halo really
i think changing the set number on a theoretical package refresh would be annoying for catalouging sets.
just like it is with a lot of 80s/90s sets
Might be necessary in the event that a package refresh is a genuine variant.
Like, say swapping General Dodonna for Biggs Darklighter while they redesign the box. A different set number would be warranted in that case. That's been a pain with the Resistance Bomber's Finch Dallow variant in a way, despite the box swapping the figures out.
Release a Wedge Antilles X Wing!
It just makes sense! Who wouldn't want to try and make a full Red Squadron?
Yo has the rise of skywalker set really been out for 4 years??? 😮
they need to discontinue that millennium falcon and release a new one based on return of the jedi.
I really like this idea
Love this idea!!
What if when they redo the millennium falcon they started with a new hope, and then repackaged the same ship with empire strikes back figures a year later. Then the same for jedi in another year and so on and so forth. I think it would be really cool, gives us figures we've never had before and it would be cheap for lego.
The way I'd do it is:
A new hope: Han, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Obiwan, Vader, And a stormtrooper. The side build would be the scanning machine.
The empire strikes back: Han, Chewie, Leia, 3po, Lando, Lobot, Bespin guard. The side build would be a treadwell droid and a minoch.
Return of the jedi: Lando, Nien numb, Rebel trooper, Rebel ground crew, Wedge antilles, Admril ackbar. The side build would be a ship matinence cart.
The force awakens: Han, Chewie, Rey, Finn, BB-8, Guavian death gang leader and member. The side build would be a rathtar, and the radar dish is changed to rectangle until episode 9.
The last jedi: A bunch of Porgs, Rey (poncho), Chewie, R2, Luke, Nun and finally a shirtless Kylo. The side build would be the porg camp fire.
The rise of skywalker: Lando, Chewie, R2, Finn, Poe, Kluad, Jahnna. The sidebuild would be a space horse.
I know there's also solo, but that Falcon's such a big departure I decided not to do it.
and yet we cant get a lego starwars hammerhead corvette
They could possibly do a tie figther 3 in 1 set that can be either of the 3 main tie ships maybe even darth vader's tie too
That's be a neat idea, but for some thing like the base TIE, that'd be a lot of leftover pieces left unused that would go into, say a TIE Bomber.
Knowing LEGO, they'd makes sure the TIE Advanced is its own thing to make sure the casual shoppers know "this is Darth Vader's"
I love that idea, but it might be a better idea for the more niche models, like the TIE Interceptor, Outland TIE Fighter, or the TIE Defender
Someone get this idea to Lego ASAP
I wish Lego would put out cheaper versions of iconic sets like in the old days.
I think there should be majority from ot like X wing Tie fighter and so on, then maybe 3 from the prequels like jedi starfighter design where you can change the colours for each Jedi, a republic gunship, and ATTE, the one or two from the sequels because they have a much smaller fanbase, because most people suffer from clone brain
Ya that’s quite the assumption right there
@@PenPlaysthanks nice video btw
Personally, I think the Y-Wing should be evergreen.
I’m so tired of Red 5 being the only T65 X-wing that gets produced. Where’s Hera’s Phoenix Squadron X-Wing or Blue Squadron from Rogue One? Attack on Lothal and Battle of Scarif might not be as iconic as the Battle of Yavin but they’re just as great (in my opinion better).
I just built the falcon today
Great video
I like the idea from a consumer/lego fan point of view, but it just doesn't make economic sense for lego. You mention that it would reduce cost for lego, well that's not the issue. Lego has plenty of capital to invest, the supply side is set. The issue is demand. These evergreen sets aren't gonna complement existing sets and justify their parallel existence by being lest costly, they're going to displace some sets from every new wave of Star Wars. These sets won't increase demand for star wars by anywhere near the amount required to have say five extra sets in production, so some sets are gonna be cut every year because they'd have to compete in an even greater lineup. Basically, the only way this can happen is if we accept a drop in the number of new sets being released because there simply isn't enough demand for both. Your average parent isn't gonna distinguish between sets in that way. This sort of thing can only really be justified in sets with very high cost and specialized demand, like the Falcon which is targeted at adults/Star Wars fans and not the general lego consumers
Bro, you should work as a consultant for Lego lol
This sounds like a good idea but I don’t like it , theirs just this joy to get a set , it retire , and then get a new version of that set and know the version you got will never be like the newer one , but that newer one still be just as fun
That's exactly what this video talks about.
The idea is that there's _always_ a version of all these things out. Remakes have to come, or they'd get stale.
Wait. Most kids lose interest in lego for only around 2 years? There's no way.
@lego watch this it is a great idea
i hope sequel set's never get made again.