heavy distortion without losing dynamics

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  • čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
  • this is a neat little technique called “companding” or “compander saturation” where we’re able to put compressors and saturators on either end of a saturator, so that we can heavily distort a signal then recover the dynamic range afterwards using an expander which applies the same amount of gain that the compressor initially removed. this can be great for coloring a sound with distortion while preserving dynamics.
    compander saturator bitwig grid preset: drive.google.com/file/d/1JgJp...
    0:00 clip for loudness vs color
    0:44 drums example
    2:03 MSaturator tutorial
    3:45 compander in bitwig grid from scratch
    4:58 vocal example
    5:42 saw pluck example
    6:06 summary

Komentáře • 592

  • @TunaCanGuzzler
    @TunaCanGuzzler Před 9 měsíci +257

    the fun thing about a compander setup is that it enhances transients in two ways. first, the transients get distorted harder, and then the transients also get put back in as the loudest 'part' of the waveform. this can definitely cause problems if you're overdoing it, but it can also just be a really nice way to make transients cut through the mix in a way a normal transient shaping plugin wouldn't be able to.

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +10

      well said!!

    • @rodstone
      @rodstone Před 9 měsíci +2

      So a Compander is the tool? I am surprised Bandlab has it. Compression and Expansion! I understand one but not Expansion

    • @SaltSpirits
      @SaltSpirits Před měsícem +1

      @@rodstoneExpansion is basically the opposite of compression.
      Compression takes all output above a certain level and brings it down to the desired level without touching anything below that level
      Expansion (also known as upwards compression) takes everything below a certain level and brings it up without affecting anything above that level.

  • @ahreuwu
    @ahreuwu Před 9 měsíci +310

    Oh my god, this might actually change how every single song I make from now on will sound, thank you so much!!

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +14

      you’re welcome :) hope you get good results!!

  • @valimoormusic
    @valimoormusic Před 9 měsíci +183

    I don’t know how many years I’ve wished I could have distorted thickness with the dynamics intact for vocals. This is amazing thank you

  • @shuya4104
    @shuya4104 Před 9 měsíci +44

    Its been a long time that ive watched a music production tutorial and it was about something "simple" and generally useful that i didnt know yet

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +2

      🙂!

    • @shuya4104
      @shuya4104 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@jshstuff also i dont know if this would necessarily have a use, but would it be possible to achieve this without the intial compression? Aka you just record the amplitude of whatever goes above the threshold on your saturator to reintroduce that volume after the clipping. So it would only be cutting off peaks but boosting them right back in.

    • @shuya4104
      @shuya4104 Před 9 měsíci +3

      or even crazier being able to adjust how much the initial sound is compressed regardless of the expansion in the end. so you could basically adjust how dynamic the saturation should be, but still retaining the dynamics of the original sound, rather than having completely even saturation due to the input getting squashed by the compressor.
      I think the thing you built in bitwig could already get close to achieving just that if you just removed the part that did the gain reduction in the beginning.
      And obviously application for this would be 808's where you might want a harder distortion in the beginning that fades off. If you compress it then the distortion would be applied equally which would be a different type of dynamics lost.
      You could be adding spectral dynamics from distorting a dynamic sound (aka different levels of saturation due to the amplitude differences) AND you could reintroduce the lost dynamics in the end.

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +2

      yeah you’re a smart one!! this would totally be possible and could lead to some great results. I don’t think you can do that in MSaturator because the companding links the compression and expansion, but in my Bitwig grid patch all I’d need to do is bypass the module doing the gain reduction and it would work just like you said.
      thanks for this awesome idea 👏👏👏

  • @ajadeleye4970
    @ajadeleye4970 Před 9 měsíci +4

    "It's super easy"
    *opens up bitwig's effects grid to custom compressor setup built from scratch*
    😵‍💫🤯

  • @LetsSmiley
    @LetsSmiley Před 9 měsíci +107

    I don't know how to thank you enough. It's literally the one thing that always lacks in my mixes.
    And a small rant: How many times I've seen videos on CZcams saying "These 3 Mixing Tips will save your life" or "Muddy mix? Use this to get it clean!" and providing just niche specific tricks that dont help at all. While you just get straight to the point with plenty of examples and a detailed explaination. Thank you!

  • @Solid_Hank
    @Solid_Hank Před 9 měsíci +51

    I use Faturator by Kiloheartz and i really like how it retains dynamics while still providing an incredible sound

  • @AMTunLimited
    @AMTunLimited Před 9 měsíci +45

    For a different approach, you could have an effects rack that has a compressor on one end, then an expander on the other with the side chain being the pre-compressor sound. For extra gravy you could assign macros that compensate for each other combining the same controls on the compressor and expander side, but because of the saturation you don't necessarily want the exact same settings on the compressor and expander

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +7

      cool idea that would work super well!

  • @nikolaudio
    @nikolaudio Před 9 měsíci +93

    you can flat tilt out bass pre-distortion and then do the opposite EQ curve after distorting. This will bring back some dynamics as youre distorting an altered signal. Also nice to have it not modulate so hard from insane bass energy.

    • @PrideGamingTV
      @PrideGamingTV Před 3 měsíci

      what do you mean?

    • @porter2024
      @porter2024 Před 3 měsíci

      @@PrideGamingTV pump the bass with an eq going into the distortion and then do the opposite so the rest of it gets some more of the dynamics

  • @jshstuff
    @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +44

    a couple people asked for the bitwig grid patch preset. it's linked in the description now, have fun :)

    • @AlecWyld
      @AlecWyld Před 9 měsíci

      I don't see it in the description. But great video bud!

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci

      @@AlecWyldshould be after the main description and before the time stamps?

    • @AlecWyld
      @AlecWyld Před 9 měsíci

      Oh I had your video open before you updated it haha thanks! @@jshstuff

  • @AUXSIUM_music
    @AUXSIUM_music Před 9 měsíci +15

    other clever way is insert the tool device after saturation or clipper then add audio sidechain modulator and take the input from the same track but choose pre-fader then adjust the setting with rise and fall settings , then modulate the gain knob in tool device the add original dynamic back into the track after distortion/clipping

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +3

      another bitwig W. you’re totally right I didn’t even think of that. thank you for sharing!!

    • @AUXSIUM_music
      @AUXSIUM_music Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@jshstuff Bitwig is the best daw, no cap

    • @shaboogen
      @shaboogen Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@jshstuff To do it in a more controlled way, you could also use a Segments modulator and use that to modulate the Tool device instead of dealing with the rise and fall of any kind of envelope follower.

    • @AUXSIUM_music
      @AUXSIUM_music Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@shaboogen there's endless possibilities with bitwig and that's what i loved about it

  • @bl8de3
    @bl8de3 Před 9 měsíci +6

    underrated channel. what a straight forward, clear tutorial. props, mate!

    • @Arnaz87
      @Arnaz87 Před 9 měsíci +1

      This. Sometimes there do be gold in the reccomendations

  • @SwishBeats
    @SwishBeats Před 9 měsíci +3

    and this is how Skrillex makes his stuff loud af 😮‍💨

  • @Trye
    @Trye Před 9 měsíci +13

    Love this, especially for me as a hardstyle producer where distortion is used everywhere, this opens up a new world. Thank you!

  • @znbh
    @znbh Před 9 měsíci +2

    it’s been three weeks. upload again. i don’t even make music, but i gotta feel productive when i binge youtube at 4 am.
    the way you use microsoft paint and explain big brain maths comprehensively to make music sound good is so beyond my 45 iq understanding, and i need more of this.

  • @SOTAREKO
    @SOTAREKO Před 9 měsíci +8

    this is one of the most informative and useful videos I've seen. I've been trying to figure out how to get my drums to sound crispier/saturated without it sounding horrible in the mix. Low and behold this pops up in my feed and gives me the exact information I was looking for. literally 10/10

  • @iamsushi1056
    @iamsushi1056 Před 9 měsíci +2

    that was some THICC KRONCH there at the outro with all the companded saturated parts playing at once, love it!

  • @lughar
    @lughar Před 3 měsíci +3

    for level match the input and output of any type of sound while maintaining dynamics, dial +6db in Compander Output, Attack and threshold at . Thats literally it. The saturation threshold must NOT be on , thats the gain knob (it indicates where the effect starts applying, if put at zero it doesnt do anything). Release work to smooth the saturation being added.
    What you explain in the video is how to introduce saturation using the compander as a pre dynamic modifier. Thats why it only works if you put +6db in the output of the Compander with the saturation threshold at zero (what you do its surpass the "zero threshold" capacity to read sound). That explains why you dont hear the mode of the saturation changing either.
    Great video!!

  • @db4ks
    @db4ks Před 9 měsíci +1

    Very well edited, very educational,very informative, Keep up the good videos!

  • @catelaofficial
    @catelaofficial Před 9 měsíci +2

    that's the best outro I've ever heard

  • @Cubesonfire
    @Cubesonfire Před 9 měsíci +2

    "I tricked you this is a bitwig tutorial now" 💀💀💀

  • @alirezaa.kazemi8931
    @alirezaa.kazemi8931 Před 3 měsíci

    bro this is so helpful I didn't watch this type of tutorials for long time , thank you so much

  • @Bittamin
    @Bittamin Před 9 měsíci +31

    This helps bring more perspective to my tracks because I’m actually taking more cleaner digital sounds (although some emulate analog synths that means nothing) and run them through different methods of distortion with bus processing to slowly reverse engineer the song to have an authentic loss of fidelity to it. If I can make the song sound like your dad dug it out of the old milk crate, I did it right 🎉❤

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +3

      ❤️

    • @eddieo6886
      @eddieo6886 Před 9 měsíci +1

      this sounds like fascinating technique, I would love to hear some examples in your work if you'd like to share!

  • @bassti-music
    @bassti-music Před 9 měsíci +12

    great video! It really changed my understanding of saturation and clipping again! Thank you! I'll definitely apply this method in my productions!

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +2

      yay! you’re welcome :)

  • @vinniestuff
    @vinniestuff Před 2 měsíci

    your voice is exactly what i want my voice to be. literally so asmr

  • @Dan_Stopani
    @Dan_Stopani Před 3 měsíci

    This is an excellent technique. Thanks 🙏

  • @wrighteously
    @wrighteously Před 9 měsíci

    This is why I love CZcams, the only place you can find gems like this! Thank you so much for this the effect is great.

  • @Logic23music
    @Logic23music Před 9 měsíci

    Your videos are gold, thank You so much🖤

  • @yayinhard
    @yayinhard Před 9 měsíci

    awesome tips, this adds a lot of color without losing the clarity

  • @max6419
    @max6419 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Wow, this is such a simple, yet genius idea. Thank you for this VERY helpful video!
    Keep up the good work :)

  • @DJPastaYaY
    @DJPastaYaY Před 6 dny +1

    This is some really interesting stuff. I've always wondered if this was possible!

  • @Ekitaii
    @Ekitaii Před 9 měsíci

    Bro I've been looking for something like this for over a year...you are the GOAT

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +1

      right, isn’t it sick!!? I’ve been using it on everything for the past 2 weeks ish

  • @bigpete14
    @bigpete14 Před 9 měsíci +2

    God his voice is so pleasant I could listen to him talk about anything

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +2

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    • @IDGs_space
      @IDGs_space Před 2 měsíci

      @@jshstuffyou better keep your word

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@IDGs_space I promise

  • @Jimmyknapp2
    @Jimmyknapp2 Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you, can't wait to try this

  • @flareongang8975
    @flareongang8975 Před 9 měsíci

    Bro keep making this type of video, that's important knowledge for producers

  • @8nfra
    @8nfra Před 9 měsíci

    you’re insane. been looking for a way to do this for ages. thanks so much

  • @loganlamoreaux5347
    @loganlamoreaux5347 Před 9 měsíci +2

    amazing tutorial, very consise and entertaining. will definitely try this out

  • @evoidmusic
    @evoidmusic Před 9 měsíci

    Cant wait to try this on some drums!

  • @_itswxvy
    @_itswxvy Před 9 měsíci

    This is a really great video, very well made!

  • @MXCN_El1011
    @MXCN_El1011 Před 9 měsíci

    Damn this just what i been trynna figure out for some drums not too long ago where things got too squashed, but i liked the grit. Was kinda able to get around it, but will def be using this in the future

  • @hi_its_jerry
    @hi_its_jerry Před 9 měsíci

    oohh that's sick! definitely gonna be using this

  • @iamtroymg8491
    @iamtroymg8491 Před 6 měsíci

    People normally say.."oh this is gold" and i am like hhhmmmm but damn all of your videos are gold and they speak to all the issues we all face and we hardly see other people covering or if they do their solutions are normally Mid. Thank you

  • @artpinsof5836
    @artpinsof5836 Před 9 měsíci

    amazing info! thank u!!

  • @sickrick932
    @sickrick932 Před 9 měsíci

    This video is TIGHT, subscribed

  • @soyjosuefernandez
    @soyjosuefernandez Před 9 měsíci +1

    Great lesson. I realized that through few mastering processes. I thought compressing some problematic bands like the low end would make my mix sound more stable on dynamics and tonal balanced but when clipper was used the problems got bigger hahaha

  • @jacobskovsbllknudsen5908
    @jacobskovsbllknudsen5908 Před 9 měsíci

    Interesting technique, Melda makes such good stuff, I ought to get into it. I do many variations of this with multiband expansion and then a subtle clipper or comp, simple volume/gain automations, serial and parallel fx going on the same sound etc. But nice to have a tool like that which does it all and with a simple enough gui...

  • @Craftal
    @Craftal Před 9 měsíci +1

    Fantastic video. Informative and no fluff. Subbed af

  • @HobbieOne
    @HobbieOne Před 9 měsíci

    Gems!! Thanks for the tips. What a game changer 🧨

  • @JasperLaw
    @JasperLaw Před 3 měsíci

    Fantastic! Thank you so much :)

  • @exyl_sounds
    @exyl_sounds Před 9 měsíci

    very insightful and helpful video thank you jsh

  • @lunasmileyy
    @lunasmileyy Před 9 měsíci

    I literally clicked on the compander enable button, heard that it made the song sound like booty, then disabled it and never used it again. Thank you for this brief and well explained tutorial.

  • @ParkrinkBeats
    @ParkrinkBeats Před 9 měsíci

    Love this vid. Thanks for explaining the Melda plugin like this. I think YT is lacking tuts for them & all their plugins are great. Appreciate you. 🙏

  • @domovoi_0
    @domovoi_0 Před 9 měsíci

    Awesome!!!!
    Love and blessings.

  • @CRAETION_
    @CRAETION_ Před 9 měsíci

    this is incredibly informative! thank you!

  • @MommysGoodPuppy
    @MommysGoodPuppy Před 9 měsíci

    wow i didnt think of this, fantastic

  • @jaketmko
    @jaketmko Před 9 měsíci

    this is some insane stuff ty for posting this

  • @AudioBoi234
    @AudioBoi234 Před 9 měsíci

    that is a freaking genius technique!!!🎉🎉🎉

  • @EquatorAU
    @EquatorAU Před 4 měsíci

    great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @GaashMusic
    @GaashMusic Před 9 měsíci

    Damn this can get completely creative! I do a lot of work with vocals and playing around with distorting them while retaining the natural dynamics is something i haven't really thought about. Thanks for these tips!
    Also the bitwig rack thing looks sick! Looks like a colorful and somewhat simplified version of the FL Studio patcher.

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +1

      hope you get good results with this!
      btw Bitwig grid is certainly not a simpler version of patcher. imo patcher is a toy while Bitwig’s grid is a toolbox. the only thing patcher has that’s better is the UI creator tool

    • @GaashMusic
      @GaashMusic Před 9 měsíci

      Maybe simplified was not the right word, but rather more easy on the eyes. Patcher to me always looks flimsy and weird lol it gave me a hard time learning the tool itself @@jshstuff

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci

      @GaashMusic yeah gotcha. patcher can do a lot of stuff but at the end of the day it’s just a glorified FX rack, as opposed to the grid/the ableton one (max for live I think), which are actual instrument/FX creation tools.
      I find that I have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get anything done in patcher. and yeah agree it’s not easy on the eyes, unless you spend hours making a pretty control surface for it.

  • @nicodianime
    @nicodianime Před 9 měsíci +1

    First audio vid I've watched yet, very confused And very inspired.

  • @fredrikhj03
    @fredrikhj03 Před 9 měsíci

    Nice video! Thank you!❤️

  • @ZefParisoto
    @ZefParisoto Před 9 měsíci

    Wahh that's such a cool trick, didn't know about it yet! Deffo going to use this ~ thank you!

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci

      I didn’t know until yesterday either, you’re welcome!!!

  • @HolarMusic
    @HolarMusic Před 9 měsíci +3

    parallel heavy distortion (i.e. just using the mix knob on your distortion plugin) at a low-ish mix level can often give you very similar results at a fraction of the effort

    • @HolarMusic
      @HolarMusic Před 9 měsíci

      @@TheJohnsofDoes It adds harmonics while keeping most of the dynamics intact

  • @bliips_
    @bliips_ Před 9 měsíci

    some great vids on your channel, looking forward to more

  • @emilandersenaudio
    @emilandersenaudio Před 9 měsíci

    great video!!

  • @eyyfalon
    @eyyfalon Před 9 měsíci +1

    Let's go he's got the most based FL studio theme kicking

  • @zerois2801
    @zerois2801 Před 3 měsíci

    Wow great tip!

  • @ericktellez7632
    @ericktellez7632 Před 9 měsíci

    Idk why I was just expecting another video on NY compression but this is actually quite unique

  • @Fusion_tw
    @Fusion_tw Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you for the high quality video

  • @drductape
    @drductape Před 6 měsíci

    Ohhhh shit. Okay wow. This is a game changer for me im using this on literally everything now moving forward

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 6 měsíci

      yaaaa I’ve been using it on everything too

  • @heavenly2k
    @heavenly2k Před 9 měsíci

    I literally just tuned out your voice and listened to the drumbeat for like 5 minutes

  • @adsick_ua
    @adsick_ua Před 3 měsíci

    stuff in the grid looks cool

  • @kaibuchan
    @kaibuchan Před 9 měsíci

    Woah, subbed. Great vid.

  • @abbadonproductioninc
    @abbadonproductioninc Před 2 měsíci

    Yo this is a real gem

  • @pailiaq
    @pailiaq Před 9 měsíci +4

    awesome stuff - had no idea about companders tbh. I always used parallel distortion or would use compressors to shape the dynamics of a clipped signal after the fact, but this is something really cool I didn't know you could do
    every day I seem to get a tiny bit closer to converting to bitwig I'm afraid

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +3

      woah it's the coolest youtuber of 2023 aka pailiaq
      do it I dare you, do it

  • @milocero
    @milocero Před 9 měsíci

    Spot on, keep that up

  • @Pyroific
    @Pyroific Před 9 měsíci

    great vid!

  • @bobroberts8264
    @bobroberts8264 Před 9 měsíci

    Really helpful video man nice oneee

  • @eldiablopassa3721
    @eldiablopassa3721 Před 8 měsíci

    Game changer production tips

  • @Bajamanator
    @Bajamanator Před 9 měsíci

    This is pretty interesting, just for future reference, it'd be cool to hear a super clear back to back comparison of the different plugins/ settings you're using, just for a bit of extra clarity to understand what you're talking about

  • @pirinac5447
    @pirinac5447 Před 9 měsíci

    What is the visual plugin in the top left corner? Please let me know :) (with the RGB color waveform that looks like a waveform of a DJ software)

  • @milkyway8353
    @milkyway8353 Před 3 měsíci

    great tutorial man, thanks

  • @Bumper210
    @Bumper210 Před 9 měsíci +7

    I love your videos, I'm really into those nerdy music production tips!
    BTW: What plugin is that meters on top of the screen?

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +4

      this makes me very happy :)
      minimeters!! it's only $10 and is so good!!

  • @Ne1gh_
    @Ne1gh_ Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you so much bro!

  • @TheSabotaje
    @TheSabotaje Před 9 měsíci

    This guy is very smart, subscribing

  • @seleene4evr
    @seleene4evr Před 9 měsíci

    awesome dude

  • @innerg_92
    @innerg_92 Před 2 měsíci

    MSat is one of my FAVORITES

  • @WangleLine
    @WangleLine Před 9 měsíci

    holy shit, your videos are really good

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +1

      thank you wangle aka the sound design GOAT herself

    • @WangleLine
      @WangleLine Před 9 měsíci

      @@jshstuff aww omg thank you :D

  • @Nortsan197
    @Nortsan197 Před 9 měsíci

    cool stuff!

  • @AlbertSirup
    @AlbertSirup Před 9 měsíci

    this is very cool, thanks so much! Been using MSaturator for a while but I always ignored the compander section because I didn't know what to use it for.

  • @icite4884
    @icite4884 Před 9 měsíci

    awesome!

  • @FelixArchive
    @FelixArchive Před 9 měsíci

    cool tip!

  • @iamgeorgesears
    @iamgeorgesears Před 9 měsíci

    Big up for using Melda's stuff!

  • @01kyu
    @01kyu Před 9 měsíci

    Just recently switched to bitwig as well! Nice to see you've done so as well :)

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +1

      I switched just over a year ago, been loving it

  • @InternetGod
    @InternetGod Před 9 měsíci

    u should post more, also this mixing based content is peak

  • @Unknown-yz6md
    @Unknown-yz6md Před 9 měsíci +8

    Good video! Just a tip, Klanghelm's SDRR2 can achieve a similar effect. There are multiple saturation options, and there's a dynamics section in every one of them. Set the dynamics slow, transients wont be affected/squashed with saturation. Cheap and a good plugin!
    Just wanted to share.

    • @jshstuff
      @jshstuff  Před 9 měsíci +1

      cool thanks for sharing! it looks good gonna have to check it out

  • @Skrenja
    @Skrenja Před 8 měsíci

    Finally, a tutorial that isn't incredibly basic information.

  • @rac8574
    @rac8574 Před 3 měsíci

    Great video wtf this is insane

  • @TennysonMusic
    @TennysonMusic Před 9 měsíci +1

    this is great

  • @LasstVideo
    @LasstVideo Před 9 měsíci

    thanks for class! What is the spectral visualization above? It is a complement? What is it called please? I see useful.