Answering the "CES Letter": Polygamy & the Book of Mormon Translation (Hannah Stoddard, Radio)
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- Are you or someone you know experiencing a faith crisis? Are you struggling with LDS Church History? On June 22, 2018, Hannah Stoddard joined Greg Jarrard on Latter-day Radio to discuss the CES Letter, Joseph Smith’s polygamy, the translation of the Book of Mormon and more! Download a free audio from the Joseph Smith Foundation about the CES Letter!
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I'm sealed to a man who had lost his first wife to cancer. Before I ever met him I had a dream wherein a lady dressed in white and looking very cheerful and happy told me that the Lord was waiting to bless me. I wrote it down & tucked that dream away & didn't think about it for several months. When I met my husband & got to know his children & see family photos, I recognized his late wife as the woman in my dream. That's a personal story & I hesitated putting it on here. I have NO feelings of jealousy or fear of meeting her in the hereafter. I think we will be like sisters, so close and loving is the feeling I have for her and I think she will feel the same about me. The world in general has NO IDEA what heaven or family relationships will be like. There will be no room for any type of jealousy or pettiness possessiveness or God will not allow us to be with Him. I hope if I am worthy to be able to spend eternity in such a family unit in the Celestial kingdom.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is true as restored to the earth by Joseph Smith. The Book of Mormon is true, as is the Bible, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price. God wants to bless us...all of us. But we are so stubborn and negative and attack His chosen reoresentatives. I wonder how much longer He will be patient with this world.
Great work, Hannah. I learned a lot. I had been a little confused as to what all the controversies online were all about, so I'm glad I found your channel. Thankyou for being a voice of reason.❤
Without polygamy i may have big question, but it had, so it is testimony to me that truly the Restoration happened through Joseph Smith the prophet.
Thank you for all the efforts to hear the world the truth.
I’m so thankful for the Stoddard family.
I'm glad you created "Debunking the CES letter." I came across the CES letter and came across some compelling arguments he raised and questions it triggered in my mind. But after reading it, I immediately looked up the answers and came across your PDF documents. It gave me a fast shortcut to finding the answers and I wish one of my family members, who has now left the church because of church history things he found, would have read your PDF document as well.
Absolutely love the not apologizing for our history aspect. Thank you Hannah; so glad I found your channel!
Welcome!
This has been a outstanding interview . What a wonderfully intelligent young ladie . I do hope she speaks to us again . BT W this radio station is also wonderful . I love listening.
I'm hearing this exactly eight years late. You're doing great work, Hannah. I think you're being charitable when it comes to the CES letter. When I first read it, I found it to be full of false assumptions and logical fallacies. But thank you for your patient explanations for the honest seekers after truth.
Excellent information. Thank you
This is fantastic!
When the internet came, we have no choice but to show it that we are not embarrassed after all.
Go search for it. We no longer say read only books that are approved by the church.
Great interview
She clearly knows her history!
I just found out joseph smith was my 6th cousin 4x removed
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏻
🙏🏻God Bless 🙏🏻
Gran trabajo!!! De verdad valioso !!! Gracias por lo qué haces !!!!
The urim and thummim is composed of two interpreters which are seer stones. So the term seer stone and urim and thummim in my opinion can be used interchangeably. But above all the greatest witness will come from God via the experience of a witness from the Holy Ghost.
I like your show it makes me think!
Hannah you need to do your own podcast. Maybe start with interviewing your Dad.
Hi Jason, You may be interested in the vidcast the Stoddard's have just launched. czcams.com/video/yMV_CDKp2BM/video.html Plus, you may be interested in other vidcasts and interviews organized here: czcams.com/video/xW3K_EPnpcY/video.html
Marriage performed for eternity were done without intimacy. Check the 1st volume of the Saint.
The CES Letter ignores the reality of Paul Gregersen debunking the Egyptologists.
Would have been more valuable to go further in depth in any given topic rather than leave each topic half baked and open ended. None of the questions were answered in full.
The resources on our website go into far more extensive detail and research. This interview is only intended to give you some of the highlights. Visit us online for more information! josephsmithfoundation.org/store/
In other words a person is worth their work, and should be paid for work they do that you are interested in, and if you don't want to pay them you need to do the work yourself. These two gave you free work and you want them to do everything for you.
As president Nelson said, You can no longer rely on another person's testimony. Hannah has a testimony because she did the work. A wise person will pray and accept God's answer that she is teaching truth. All the rest of us need to do the work, like she did
@@GarySaint-xm6trthank you. I can testify to the truth of what you say . I can't believe I've been a member for 55 years and I am just now researching all this History. And let me tell you , I'm not a good person, but . My faith in our Lord Jesus Christ has increased so much since I decided to do some research in the church and it's history and in the BOM. And I've been flabbergasted at what I've learned and my heart spells with love for my fellow men, and my soul is hungering less for what I've learned in the scriptures and I still want more. Oh how our Lord loves us so much.
The bottom line with substantiating Anything, is to ask Heavenly Father. He does not lie and wants you to know all things.
I’m so confused, the church’s official stance is that he did use the hat and seer stone, right? And based on research you believe it wasn’t, correct?
Based on extensive research, we do not believe the seer stone translation hypothesis can be supported through credible and reliable sources. Please see the book, "Seer Stone v. Urim & Thummim: Book of Mormon Translation on Trial" for a more detailed review of the origin of the the claim, as well as an in depth look that reveals David Whitmer's accounts are not credible and consistent. www.amazon.com/Seer-Stone-Urim-Thummim-Translation/dp/1644670119
If I understand correctly, one of the Church's sponsored historians, Richard Bushman, based on his research, came to the conclusion that Joseph Smith used a seer stone in a hat for at least part of the translation. This is a recent reversal of the Church's previous belief and position that the stone in the hat stories were false. Because Bushman is a Church-sponsored historian, and is not trying to lead people out of the church, his conclusion has been accepted by the church officially (apparently).
However, Hannah makes a really good point that the only "witnesses" who endorsed the stone in the hat method were in opposition to the Church when they made or agreed to those claims.
So my guess is that Joseph did not use a stone in the hat. But if he did, that's fine, too. The important thing is that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, and Joseph Smith translated it by the power of God, however he did it.
Not a single answer given.
I hope you read this Hannah. I also believe the translations from the papyrus that are the Pearl of Great Price by Joseph Smith is 100 percent acurate.
Id love to discuss why with you
Sealed and married are two different things.
In order for it to be considered a Credible account it can not come from declared apostates if you want to consider it a historical record in the research.
That would Throw the credibility of the 3 witnesses and 8 witnesses out the window 🪟
I confess, I wasn't aware that there was such disagreement as to the hat/stone or urim and thummim approach to translation.
As to my own initial impression of a stone in a hat for translation, I've always viewed the concept analogous to the Book of Daniel with the finger writing on the wall or a less permanent writing in stone of the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai. So, it has never made me uncomfortable.
The urim and thummim was a familiar term due to the bible and the changing messages of the liahona was similar to my understanding of the U&T, so I can see people being more comfortable with it.
As for myself, the theology in the B of M is what resonates with me.
Ya so I feel the spirit of the Holy Ghost in this clip. I have read several in depth discussions about this subject. The 1800's debate on the subject of polygamy and the Bible was helpful for me. I down loaded a pdf file about 10 years ago that had the actual debate (Orson Pratt)
I choose Joseph Smith
Hannah, wonderful interview! Just curious, what does the L. in your name represent?
We don't live in those times. Are you going to be okay to let your sister get married at 14
Hi Charlotte, we do not support underage marriage. You can read Hannah's new book, "Joseph Smith's Plural Wives, Volume 1: Helen Mar Kimball" for a deep dive into Helen's story though, as well as an investigation into her sealing to the Prophet Joseph Smith. We believe her complete and unfiltered history is faith-promoting! josephsmithfoundation.org/store/product/helen-mar-kimball-book/
You can tell some ex-mos and anti’s watched this video by looking at the ratio.
Did no one want to go to the sources that they reference in this video? Are people only wanting the answers to be shoved down their throats without doing any of the work themselves?
Interesting. I had to re-like this video several times. My “like” kept disappearing.
I marvel at how many people think these 19th century people lived like we live. They were not constantly listening to music (good or bad), scrolling for 10 hours a day on CZcams and Instagram and other social media apps, no 24 hour news cycle and other distractions keeping them from being able to be so spiritually strong. No! These people had so much time to themselves to ponder, read, pray, study more and more. Of course they felt the presence of the Holy Ghost more, believed in spiritual witnesses, etc. They were a peculiar people and the strongest felt the instant desire to seek more and more of the spiritual strength needed to survive and find the truth they desired.
Also, I disagree with Hannah in that Runnels was not being sincere. Legit questions that were crowd sourced maybe, but sincere, nope.
It's time our dear prophet restores the truth to the translation of the Book of Mormon. The same way he insisted on clearing out all the debris from the Churche's true name: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He said that the name of the Church is not negotiable, neither should be the truth about the translation of the sacred book which is the foundation of the true Church. I hope President Nelson addresses this conundrun created by apostates, and opponents of the prophet Joseph Smith, and the scholars and liberals as well. I am grateful for the powerful testimony I received of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. After I was taught the true order of prayer by the missionaries, they encouraged me to ask God. And I did, with true intentions. I can not deny it, or I would be denying the testimony given to me by the Holy Ghost when I was 20 years old.
Regarding the Mary comment… these were biblical times… literally 2,000 years ago. Furthermore… “if it’s good enough for the son of god, it’s good enough for us” would imply that even today your opinion of a 14 year old bride would be acceptable.
You can read Hannah Stoddard's article here: ldsanswers.org/did-joseph-smith-marry-a-14-year-old-girl and she does clarify that "such convention or practice would not be wise today." She is merely pointing out that elements of Church history parallel the mother of the House of Israel and the mother of the Son of God as a perspective of history. Hannah and the Joseph Smith Foundation does not endorse or encourage underage marriage today.
No they do not IT was done only one way the interpreters
the urim and thummim is God's internet
I rather have one Hannah, than say billions of trying to destroy the Church of God who didn't have revelation at all that God says they're the truth.
You mix polygamy, plural marriage and polyandry. All three are different. Polygamy is not a higher law, terrestrial or celestial.
Um... U willing to discuss any of this with Bill Reel or RFM????????? I doubt it😉
Joseph Smith was not a polygamist.
While we are well acquainted with these assertions, we find them lacking in historical credibility. Currently, our focus has not been on creating content specifically debunking this. However, we do offer a page on one of our websites featuring a few resources related to this topic. Did Joseph Smith fight polygamy? ldsanswers.org/did-joseph-smith-fight-polygamy/
Not everyone will accept polygamy, that's why not everyone is going to qualify for exaltation. D&C 131 is clear on this doctrine. You must be obedient to this commandment if you are going to accept the fullness of marriage.
132?
Disagree
If that's true, why do the missionaries leave that part out in their discussions?
The church even admits that the “translation” was done with a stone in a hat.
If I understand correctly, one of the Church's sponsored historians, Richard Bushman, based on his research, came to the conclusion that Joseph Smith used a seer stone in a hat for at least part of the translation. This is a recent reversal of the Church's previous belief and position that the stone in the hat stories were false. Because Bushman is a Church-sponsored historian, and is not trying to lead people out of the church, his conclusion has been accepted by the church officially (apparently).
However, Hannah makes a really good point that the only "witnesses" who endorsed the stone in the hat method were in opposition to the Church when they made or agreed to those claims.
So my guess is that Joseph did not use a stone in the hat. But if he did, that's fine, too. The important thing is that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, and Joseph Smith translated it by the power of God, however he did it.
She is so wrong.
Polygamy is a higher law. Those who do not understand and accept it do not understand God the Father.
Disagree
Do you completely understand God?
The Lord speaks to us through the word, the Bible. You will exhaust yourself defending the COC of LDS built on Joseph Smith and certainly not the God, Son and Spirit of the Bible. Way too many glaring inconsistencies! You simply worship a different God and Christ then that of the Bible. The Church of Christ of the New Testament has had no need of reformation, ever, it is the perfect will and purpose of God. It is blasphemy to think any different. Neither the gates of hell or Joseph Smith will prevail against it. The problem has always been on man’s part of apostasy, division and sin.
Acts 7:48-49 KJV
[48] Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, [49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Galatians 1:8,11-12 KJV
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. [12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 KJV
[13] For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. [14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. [15] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Luke 20:33-35 KJV
[33] Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. [34] And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: [35] But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
1 Corinthians 15:49-50 KJV
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. [50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
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Why doesn't this have more likes?!?! Excellent examples.
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