BABYMETAL with Tom Morello 'Metali' part 2: extra thoughts on performance from AJ Hartley (BM #38.2)
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- I had some extra thoughts, prompted by the helpful observations and insights of some commentators and thought it worth posting (in true academic fashion) a footnote :) Thanks to Flugelhornoldman for the nudge :) Based on comments from my Japanese viewers, I'd suggest "Sakura-ya!" as the shout for Momoko's mie.
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BM fans doing kakegoe when Momoko strikes the pose is a clever idea. The protocol/procedure for kakegoe-or ohmukoh, as it's often called in kabuki-is complex. "Ya" is part of the house or guild name ("yagoh"), so it would be "Sakura-ya!". (Problem here is SG no longer exists.) In the case of a next-generation performer-which Momoko certainly is-"waka", meaning "young", is often prefixed, so it could be "Waka-Sakura!" or maybe "Waka-Muse!" (no "ya" in this case). Also, when the performers on stage are all from the same house, sometimes the surname will be called out, so it could be "Okazaki!" or maybe "Hakata!" (from her father's stage name). Btw, it's commonly people in the cheap seats who do the calling in kabuki ("ohmukoh" refers to the cheap seats). But BM fans can shout out from anywhere.
Nice. Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe fans will try it :)
Another commenter stated that "waka" would be used for the successor-i.e., the eldest son-to the house and may not be appropriate here, but depending on the occupation or profession "waka" is used for women, and in any case women don't perform on the kabuki stage, so the whole point is moot, as far as that goes.
Still, it's a great idea. Fans should try "Sakura-ya!" Or "Babymetaya!" as a different commenter suggested. Or maybe "Matte mashita!" ("I was / we were waiting for you/this!") as a third commenter suggested-frequently used in kabuki and avoids any name problem.
@@otobokegaijin6218 Yes, I like that idea. Both work for me. As ever, I defer to others who know more than I do. :)
This is wonderful insight.
There is so much to unpack in these Babymetal performances. I have watched the Metali video a few dozen times now, but i never noticed what Su and Moa were doing in the background. Very interesting and informative. Love the "Footnote format". It's nice to get the added information.
Great. Glad you liked it.
Excellent follow up with your "extra thoughts", thank you.
I will be shouting Sakura!
Followed by Hartley! 😂😂😂
Ha! Thanks :)
I don't see why people dismiss shouting Shouting Sakura Gakuin, it may no longer be there but it is still where she trained. For me as long as Babymetal keeps going there will always be a piece of SG still going.
I knew you weren't done. You can't analyze a Babymetal song in under a week. I am VIP in Boston on Sept. 14 and will surely yell "Sakura!" from the front row! Watch the fancams for it!
I will be in Boston as well, driving 5 hours to not miss the chance to see them for the first time!
Try Sakura-ya. I think that's better (will add to description)
@@AndrewHartley I'll do that.
Hello Andrew. You are indeed a fine resource when it comes to deeper studies of Babymetal music! I just watched O-Matsuri Mambo by Hibari Misora and you are correct. The festival chants and theatrics in O-Matsuri Mambo have a lot in common with the new Babymetal song, Metali.
Thanks! As others have pointed out, there are other more recent songs on a similar theme too, but this one stands out to me. Cheers!
Sakura!
For a moment there, I thought you were going to tell us we should shout "Tom Morello!", since it is the english text that follows Momo-Metal's performance. 😊
An ignorant thought, I realize now, but that's why I watch intelligent discussion channels like this one! TY for the addendum and now I think I have to hear that old song! Wonderful!
THanks!
Thank you. I always learn so much from you.
You are so welcome!
I screamed Sakura in Houston and Dallas thanks to this video 😁
First ever Babymetal shows for my wife and I.. and I must say, i went in with unrealistic expectations ..but what I wasn't prepared for is for the experience to surpass those expectations tenfold!
We were in the balcony in Houston, and very close to the front, right in front of Moa, in Dallas.
Absolutely surreal experience. Need more. ❤
I respect your follow up. I am Japanese and I am learning a lot from your channel! 😂
Thank you. That's very kind.
The trade name (YAGOU) is not the name of the training school, but it sounds interesting... Since Sakura Gakuin is no longer in existence, we cannot treat it as a Kabuki trade name. If I had to say, "BABYMETAYA"!(ベビメタ屋！) I guess 😁.
Well, close enough, perhaps? :)
Thank you for your detailed explanations.
Not all Japanese have seen 歌舞伎(Kabuki), 能(Noh) or 狂言(Kyogen), but almost everyone knows them in fragments.
I know that when they "見得を切る"(Mie wo kiru=strike a pose?), audience shout "XXXXya". And I know that "XXXXya" is a 屋号(yagou). I am not familiar with the exact meaning of the Yagou, but I believe it refers to the place where the actor belongs. However, this part is not confident, so look up Kabuki and Yagou.
I don't know much about Kabuki, so I'll also write about what I've just found out.
Nowadays, there is a specialist who shouts out Yagou, which is called 大向う(Oomukou). They shouts out Yagou at the most appropriate time to maximise the excitement of the play.
It is common in 演歌(enka=traditional Japanese folk songs) for 祭り(Matsuri) songs to be accompanied by 掛け声(Kakegoe=shouts). The most commonly used shouts are Wasshoi Dokkoisyo, but there are many others.
I can't explain it well in words, so here is a video to get you started. I would be grateful if you could watch it when you have time.
Please search youtube for these characters and watch the videos.(URLs are not written as comments may be invalidated if they contain ULRs. I will write it in reply to this comment.)
まつり 北島三郎
天童よしみ / ソーラン祭り節
坂本冬美 - 男の火祭り
This is not an enka song, but it is also a very old song, and you can see the soiya shouting and dancing (same choreography as BM's wasshoi).
一世風靡セピア「前略、道の上より」
The most common shouts when carrying the mikoshi are "wasshoi" and "soiya". However, calls vary from region to region. In my city it is "Yareyareyareyo". It is not a Mikoshi to be carried, but a stall. These days they do it over loudspeakers, so this voice can be heard throughout the city from morning till night.
2016/10/2 静岡県藤枝市 藤枝大祭り
This is a Mikoshi from a neighbouring city. The call is あんえっとん(an etton), which is supposed to be a prayer for prosperity and peace in the city, but I honestly don't know what this pronounced word means. The festival also includes an event called 神ころがし(Kamikorogashi), in which the baby is turned over several times to pray for the child's good health, and it is said that the louder the baby cries, the more healthy it will grow. They hold うちわ(Uchiwa=fans) around the Mikoshi, and the children's names are written on the Uchiwa.
焼津荒祭 夜
From Japan🦊
まつり 北島三郎
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天童よしみ / ソーラン祭り節
czcams.com/video/njqedDWKr8A/video.html
坂本冬美 - 男の火祭り
czcams.com/video/QHjkkQ4ufZo/video.html
一世風靡セピア「前略、道の上より」
czcams.com/video/iuCCRGEJX4Y/video.html
2016/10/2 静岡県藤枝市 藤枝大祭り
czcams.com/video/3LUIOshfIA0/video.html
焼津荒祭 夜
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Thank you for those extra details!
Thanks for the extra thoughts. There is a video from a fan of a live performance from Metali at 19th of August (summer sonic). There you could see how Moa and Su are kneeling besides Momo. But there is one real important difference between the live performance and the offical video. After Momo says Metali she crowls very very deep "Are you ready?". It is an amazing scene that I am sadly missing in the official version of the song. I hope I will see it on the live concert in November in Germany. I think it is a key moment of Momos solo part.
Yes, that will be fun.
Wow, sharp insights, and so cool you bring up Hibari Misora, she began as a child star just like Su, Moa etc way back in the 1940s. She definitely established the idol template that endures today. Have you seen her 1950 film “Tokyo Kid”? essential viewing, record of postwar Tokyo, and a bridge to the new Japan that was to come!
Haven't seen the movie. I will look for it. Thanks you!
What an instructive supplementary lecture ! ありがとうございます 💛。 Especially, the Kakegoe (掛け声) proposal is an amazing idea. BABYMETAL's North American tour is scheduled to start soon. So American and Canadian fans are now ready to boost the concert. Thank you! Uh-oh! Which Kakegoe do you prefer to us for you "Boston!" or "Charlotte!" or "UNCC"? 😄
Ha :) Thanks for the nudge.
@@AndrewHartley😍
I just love it when the Professor helps to expand my knowledge of Japanese culture. I'm not waiting to see BM live to shout "Sakura" for Momoko, I'm shouting "Sakura" every time I will watch 'Metali' on my computer! Thank you Professor !
We should pay homage to their origins at Sakura Gakuin whenever possible.
Go for it :)
You solved all three problems I had with watching fancams! Thanks! It's really fun to follow in BabyMetal's footsteps as fans learn about so many different cultures and experiences. See you!
These videos are always welcome, thank you Mr Patterson 😊
Ha!
Thank you for your detailed explanation. This is my first time commenting on your channel.
I think it's a good idea to do Kakegoe during MOMO's performance. But, I felt like it would be a bit odd if you yelled just "Sakura!" to her. So, I discussed it with my wife, who has been a big fan of Kabuki for more than 30 years. Since "Sakura" was supposed to be the name of the house(屋号, ya-gou), the word "-ya" should be put after Sakura, so it would be "Sakura-ya" as seen in your video like "Narita-ya" or "Kourai-ya."
My wife pointed out another thing: there are several patterns of Kakegoe according to a specific scene in a certain story. It would be like "Mattemashita!"(待ってました！), literally "I was waiting(for this or you)!" or "Iyo, goryounin!"（いよ、ご両人！）, literally "Hey, both of you!" mentioning they are a perfect couple. "Mattemashita!" would also be suitable for her.
Oh, somebody already mentioned this while writing! "Waka" should be used as the future successor of the house, who is very often the eldest son, so I'm not sure if it sounds right for her.
Thanks. I like 'Sakura-ya', personally, but I defer to others who know more.
Excellent info! I will see them in Dallas next week and will definitely be shouting out Sakura. Kitsune Up!
Sounds like most Japanese fans prefer Sakura-ya (closer to the Kabuki form)
@@AndrewHartley Got it, thanks!
Thanks for the update and your proposal sounds good. Added a note to the babymetal reddit.
Awesome, thank you!
Professor, do you know of any websites where a fan might go to brush up on the proper audience responses to various BM songs? The ladies will be in our town in five days (yes, we have tickets) and, as a member of the audience, I would like to be able to respond appropriately when the time comes! Thanks. Always enjoy your posts about Babymetal!
Good question. For the early songs maybe watch Duane Metal's videos? As a rule, mostly I'd follow what the backing singers do. And of course watching live footage of Japanese audiences would help too. They know what they are doing :)
Again a heartfelt Thank You for helping us along the way to knowledge and enlightenment.
You are so welcome
Next concert I'm seein, I will be shouting "SAKURA ".
Even if I'm the lone voice in the crowd.
Another example of how much deeper Babymetal go than people realise.
Consensus suggests Sakura-ya is better. Maybe try that?
great to know as always
👍 Awesome. I will be seeing them in a couple weeks. If they play this I think I will go with "BABYMETAL". I believe it will take a couple of years to get a unified response. It probably will be whatever comes from their future performances in Japan. For this American tour, it will be interesting to see if Su can get the One to sit down. 🦊 🖖❤
Ha! Agreed.
It was very interesting to hear your supplemental comments, yelling "Sakura" might be questionable, though.
In the meantime, I have added some notes to my lyrics interpretation sheet. There are things (almost) every Japanese thinks as a matter of course and no need to mention but often totally unimaginable for those other than Japanese. That I have to bear in mind.
Also, I referred to why I chose "idiot" instead of "fool" for "阿呆/Ahō." Thank you.
Thanks for your extra notes. You don't like the Sakuraya shout idea? Why not, if I may ask?
@@AndrewHartley
It's simply I didn't think "さくら/Sakura" would sound well fit with the scene. If you want to mention the name of their "training school" to follow the custom of "掛け声/Kakegoe", yelling the performer's "屋号/Yagō", applying "櫻屋/Sakura ya" would be more likely but still feels fake-ish. In that case, I'd prefer "櫻乃学舎/Sakura no Manabiya" but it might sound a bit too long.
But the more important is whether they will feel happy to hear the name of "さくら学院/Sakura Gakuin" as the "掛け声/Kakegoe" at the moment of her "見得/Mie", the climax scene. Since it's no doubt they originated from and grew up there but do not belong anymore.
Moreover, the "name of the performer's training school" is not the only assumed origin of "Yago."
That's all that I thought. I'll be glad if it helps. 😉
@@Capable-Paramedic Interesting. Thanks. I think Sakura-ya sounds better, yes. As to what they want, who knows? Seems like the fans are not entirely of one mind, which is to be expected. My guess is that anything shouted as being supported will be well received.
@@AndrewHartley I see, all right!
Anyway, timing is the key to Kakegoe. I wish good luck to the audience on their coming tour in North America!
By the way, I added my thoughts on comparing both Ahōs to "creators and critics", if you're interested.
@@Capable-Paramedic Thank you. Always appreciate your thoughts and knowledge.
At least one fan will be shouting in Western Pennsylvania... I will be watching over the coming days to see what, if any, consensus forms on what to shout.
I like it! Let's do it, folks! 🤘🦊
Thank you; so much more information. Hopefully an accepted response will be in place by the time Babymetal hit Wolverhampton, where I will see them
教授、いつも素晴らしい講義ありがとうございます。日本人の私でもとても参考になります。
貴方の提案「サクラ」は面白くかつ素晴らしい提案だと思います。
もしこれが定番になったなら一層ライブが盛り上がることでしょう。
「さくら！」掛け声賛成！
ありがとう！みんなが賛成してくれるわけではないみたいだけど、楽しいと思うよ。
賛成！３人ともさくら学院出身だから、「さくら！」とか「いよぉ、さくら屋！」とか掛け声が掛かったら、きっと盛り上がるよね。海外にも父兄が居ることだし。
止めてくれ、おぞましい。国内のごく少数者だけにしといてくれ。和テイストが好きなのは勝手だが、ファン全部の趣味だと思ったら大間違いだ。ましてやお仕着せがましく海外にまで広げるとは。
@@JoeJack2much4me それが好きなんだ :)
ふふ、「さくら屋！」いいですねー😆
気に入ってくれて嬉しいよ！
Yesterday I watched fancam footage of the entire CZcams-Theater show on October 12th, as posted by JMetalHead@YT. And lo and behold, someone shouted Sakura-Ya! with all his might, at the precise moment after Momoko struk the pose. Apparently, your ideas have cought on.
So, by educating us, you changed THE ONE and therefore the world to the better. I would suggest that this justifies a glass of your favourite liquid refreshment, consumed in silent celebration.
Boston-ya!
Ha! Thanks. I'll definitely drink to that :)
@@AndrewHartley This feels a bit like necroposting, but I thought you should know that your ideas regarding the proper answer to Momo's "Metali! Metali!" have also been implemented in Europe. Yesterday, I stumbled over a fancam video of the show in Milan, the 3rd last of the 2023 European headliner tour.
BABYMETAL - METALI!! Live in Milan 08.12.2023 by yureisme_
The first Metali! is at about 3:18. Funnily enough, on another fancam shot from before the stage center, probably not more than 15m to the left and my favourite Metali! vid, you neither hear the Sakura-ya nor the lady who shot this video singing along full blast and slightly losing it towards the end.
At this final stage of the 2023 tour, Babymetal had clearly begun to enjoy themselves on stage.
Boston-ya!
The development of his observations is always brilliant. Greetings from Argentina!
Wow! This is on another level. Thank you so much, professor.
And your idea is amazing. Sharing it right now... although I have to wait until December to see them live (and I hope they still perform it then).
So, "Sakura!" or "Sakura-ya!" are both proper, right?
I think Sakura-ya is better, but I defer to Japanese fans.
And,
Again,
We need you.
Thank you
What a great idea Prof Hartley, I really hope it catches on and hope to try it out next time if I have the fortune to catch their Metari live! The new songs we don't really know what to do so finally some direction there 😂
P.S 0:05 Was that at Fox.God Shinjuku??
Thank you. And yes, that was in the bar with fellow Kitsune :)
Brillant idea!
Hello again Professor Hartley and please just read my comment on part one of your reaction or maybe not 😆😆. Best regards from germany. Forever THE ONE 🤗❤🤘🦊🤘
Done!
I yelled it at the ATL show... I hope it was heard.
The callback to Misora Hibari is interesting, but it's a bit more likely team Babymetal was more inspired by some minyo / pop crossover from the early 2000s like '10nin Matsuri' (that's essentially idol group Morning Musume, or a subunit of it) and their song "Dancing! Natsu Matsuri" (which in itself sounds like a total ripoff of / homage to 'Matsuri Mambo', and uses some of the same melodic lines). I'm sure there were more songs like this, and maybe someone could dig up a few more? Anyway, I would consider this little ditty Babymetal's most Japanese song to date, even more so than 'Megitsune', and I love that it's such a crowd pleaser and banger at the same time.
I'll provide links to the song(s) in comments below, as CZcams's algorithms love to delete those. Let's see.
'Dancing! Natsu Matsuri' music video (bad quality): czcams.com/video/WSQS5ZrIsvY/video.html
'Dancing! Natsu Matsuri' live performance (upscaled, good quality): czcams.com/video/ZaflH1OA0_Q/video.html
Yes, I wasn't really suggesting a conscious imitation by the song writers (I generally don't care very much about composer intent) so much as participation in a general cultural zeitgeist. But yeah, the fact that there are other more recent songs makes sense and reinforces that sense of an on-going culture. Thanks!
And for comparison, 'Omatsuri Mambo': czcams.com/video/OFq__x81MvA/video.html
@@AndrewHartley I fully agree (as usual). Every song with that minyo feel just plugs into that collective spirit (for performer and listener alike), and unfortunately this is kinda lost on a lot of Western reviewers who will simply find the singing on this a little bit odd, and of course won't get the kabuki reference. Luckily I've watched enough 'Kabuki Cool' on NHK World to immediately pick up on Momoko's recital style, and I knew that we would get a Mie pose in the video even before it went live. ;-)
Welp, I tried the "Sakura" call in Houston last night, but I'm not sure anyone could hear me, lol
It’s the thought that counts!
I don’t see the resemblance, but… I’ll be seeing baby metal in 5 days now! edit: I will shout Sakura!
which resemblance?
@@AndrewHartleyto the first performer you mentioned.
@@kevinhiggins7838 Oh, I see. It's the lyrical content about matsuri participation.
@@AndrewHartley ok… I’ve had a few beers.
@@kevinhiggins7838 Ha! Pour me one ;)
is that atarashii gakko I hear in the background? :)
well spotted. yes :)
Kabuki-Metal czcams.com/users/shortsLZi635SXd28?si=ujSgO07Ilfa84S0e
いつも興味深く拝見しています。歌舞伎の「屋号」は、歌舞伎役者が有名な商人等の様に商号（trade name) を付けたのが始まりではないかと言われています。決まりごとはただ一つ、「屋」yaを付けることだけです。 さくら屋（Sakura-ya）となるのかな。
私はむしろ、「博多屋」Hakata-yaが良いのではと思います。博多はMomokoの父親の芸名であり、出身地（福岡県）の有名な地名です。私以外誰も主張していませんが…。 結論は本人が喜べば何でも良いのかもしれません。彼女が見栄を切った時から「屋号」が必要と感じたfanは多いと思います。
それも理にかなっているね。ありがとう！
個人的感想なんですけどね。
美空ひばりさんは“日本最強の歌手だった人(9歳デビュー)”です。恐らく、作詞家と作曲家がこの“メタり”を美空ひばりさんに提出したら“自分で作詞作曲した”かのように平気で歌うでしょう。但し、作詞家達や作曲家達にその度胸があればですが。彼女は自分の曲であれば何歳の時の曲であっても歌いますよ。死に際であっても安らかにベッドで休む事よりもステージに立つほうを選んだ人です。戦中、戦後の人達は死ぬまでステージにたち続ける意思をもってる歌手が実に多い。
“最強のアイドル”だったら松田聖子を推します。結婚しても出産しても娘(神田SAYAKA)がディズニー映画主題歌の日本語歌手に抜擢しても、娘が結婚しても、娘が死去しても歌手として今でもステージにたち続けていますから。
( •̀ω•́ )
まぁ、日本人の“音楽でまとまる原動力”って盆踊り等の伝統芸能や伝統音楽から由来すると私は推測するんですけど“空白期間”が1部の昭和歌謡曲にあるんですよ。基本的に観客側は“紳士淑女のように振る舞う”という同調圧力をかんじましたね。それが破られた代表的な音楽がロックンロールで日本人の観客が最もカオス状態だったのがビートルズの日本公演。まともに彼らの曲を聞いてないんじゃないかとおもいますよ。
その後、バンド業界、アイドル業界、ロック業界はステージ側と観客側の一体感を楽しむようになったと思いますよ。
(´ω`)
カラオケの観点からだと、基本的には自らBABYMETALの曲は歌いませんが、誰かからの命令だったらドキドキモーニングとギミチョコ等を選曲しますね、“徹底的に阿呆になれる”のがその根拠です。
“メタり”は“PAPAYA”よりも歌いやすいですが2曲とも歌わないと思います、徹底的に阿呆になりきれないんですよ。
ご存じでしょうが、カラオケで歌うと音楽著作権が作詞家や作曲家に入りますからね。カラオケ大国の日本の場合、他の国よりも重要な要素だと思いますよ。
(*´○`)o¶~~♪
先日、博士のAKB48のリアクションビデオをみて笑いましたよ。博士の感想は厳密には分かりませんが人々が何を載せてるかは何となくわかります。
個人的には恋するフォーチュンクッキーとヘビーローテーションがお勧めかな？
プロデューサーの秋元康が手がけたアイドルで1番感想を聞きたいのが少女隊かな？1985年頃に韓国が初めて日本語で歌う事を許されたアイドルで韓国のアイドル文化の“種”です。今思うとアメリカから訴えられるんじゃないかと不安になりますけどね。
(^_^;)
時系列順には少女隊、おニャン子クラブ、ネズミっ子クラブ、AKB48等の順かな？
玉置浩二率いる安全地帯はバンド文化の起爆剤の役割り的存在だったかも知れなかったんですけどね。
( 'ω')
BM needs to get back to what got them to this point we need a real basic metal song like rondo of nightmare or road of resistance no pop or compilation just real drums, guitar,bass BM is straying away from there roots
BabyMetal is growing and so must their music. Trying to put them in a box is no different than being a gatekeeper.
Their roots are literally pop fused with metal. It's the entire concept.