This “skill” argument is like an insanely specific ESPN stat it feels like. Like people wanna give kyrie his flowers for his ball handling and finishing abilities in such a way that they call him the most “skilled player of all time” to give him some type of credit like how ESPN will give you a stat about how someone dropping 40 points as a 45 year old in the month of November against the bulls💀
Kyrie the most skilled player to never win MVP have a sdocring title be all defense or even all NBA first team. But yeah he has the most skill all time
It’s not just the handles and finishing. The bag of moves paired with the efficiency is crazy. He’s not the most skilled overall imo that’s lebron but there’s a reason players and all time greats fan girl over kyrie offensive skill set
I lowkey been thinking this. Why don’t more ppl realize that pretty much everything done on the court are skills? Even stuff like being physical or more athletic, like knowing how to use your physical attributes correctly to dominate is a skill in and of itself.
For the longest people would say “ Giannis has no skill” and “Run and dunk man” but then act like there have been players that where Uber athletic like him and didn’t dominate like him. javale in his athletic prime, jaxson Hayes, Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan etc. Players have come with similar builds to Giannis but if he has “no skill” why don’t they do that.
@@boshix8130 lol what? all those guys you said arent really like Giannis. Giannis has height, wingspan/length, strength, and speed. no one else has ALL of those attributes
@@russellwestbrick1754 when he entered the leage he barley had any of that, the skill part is knowing how to use that hieght and wing span to get a dpoy a skill is train to be faster and use his strength speed to blow past people, he was skinny as shit when he entered the leage but gained muscle and power is skilled enough to use it both needs ends of the court
Folks always want to talk about having a “deep bag”, but like Bruce Lee said: “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” It’s better to have one unstoppable move than a bunch of flashy BS.
As someone who isn't a fan of his, I'm glad you mentioned how LeBron unanimously gets sidetracked in the "skills" convo because he did alot of shit that takes alot to replicate at the level LeBron did it at
@@TheMissiIe no he wouldn't lebron is fast compared to shaq ur saying he would handle a 6'9 260 freak of nature that can pass finish and shoot gtfoh with that he wouldn't lock him up
When they talk about “skill” they’re usually talking about. Dribbling, finishing around the rim, space creation, flashy passes, and post moves (in that order).
The eye test argument, as it is commonly used, is people just watching highlights. Most of the people using the eye test argument aren't doing high level film analysis and this causes people to overate players like D'lo, Harden, and Kemba despite their shortcomings. Players commonly favored by the eye test argument look painfully inefficient and limited when under film study. If you were using the eye test, complete players like MJ, LeBron, Giannis, Duncan, Hakeem, Kareem, etc would be their top picks. If you were just watching film, skills like defense, playmaking, finishing, and off ball activity would stand out. More complete players that are perceived as "less skilled" dominate for 15-30 minutes a game and are somehow commonly underated by people using the eye test argument. Simply because the "more skilled" players dominate for 8 minutes and those 8 minutes produce better highlights.
Yeah, that whole 8 minutes vs 15-30 minutes is B.S that you pulled out of nowhere. You don't score 37ppg for a season with eight good minutes a game. The "more skilled" players are players that have to pull from a deeper, more difficult bag of tricks to score and not rely on simply bulldozing through soneone with size alone.
@@egglordsasuke8532 The "8 minutes vs 15-30" thing is talking about a decent player having needing more to get something done, like Brandon Jennings doing every move in the book, but shooting poorly. They just worded it weird
In the NBA community, I feel like we need to acknowledge the undeniable fact that physical capability is just as important as “skill”. Cuz at the end of the day, basketball is a sport. AKA, a PHYSICAL competition. Ignoring physical capabilities of players and acting like they’re not important factors in a literal sport is fucking ridiculous. There’s a reason no one in the conventional, generic Top Ten NBA player list is under 6’6. There’s a reason, for example, Lebron is arguably the greatest. Because despite his immense skill and high IQ, he is also 6’9 230 lbs of pure muscle and speed who at any point of any possession of the game, he can say “fuck it” and force himself to the basket for a bucket. It’s the fusion of skill and physical ability that makes him a GOAT. It was MJ’s combination of high flying physical gift and pure midrange finesse and skill that made him a GOAT.
Exactly. Knowing how to use your physical capabilities to your advantage is a skill in itself. If being big and strong was the only thing it took to be successful in the league, Steven Adams would be one of the most dominant centers of all time.
That's obviously true as well. Even someone like Kyrie has insane physical capabilities. Not only height, strength, speed and vertical (all of which are insane compared to a normal person) but also physical capabilities that are often overlooked like hand eye coordination, balance, reaction time etc.
@@kingcort8073 He is still extremely quick, has unreal shooting talent and has taken a very selfless approach to playing. He is quite possibly the greatest offball threat ever simply due to how he utilizes these attributes. Basically, he's a freak among freaks
The skill argument with regards to Giannis and how good he actually is made for some of the most disgusting discourse I've ever seen. Before 2020-21, it could legitimately be argued that his deficiencies in key areas (shooting, playmaking, ball-handling) held him back from being a championship player. He then goes on a run that showcased noticeable improvements in those areas and wins the championship. But even past that moment, people found a way to either discredit his run or refuse to talk about him as the best player on the planet. And it was always given the reason, "He can't shoot, that's why. He's one-dimensional." It's too stupid to talk about more than that man.
@@JLMilly exactly giannis is skilled af. Not saying he’s KD or curry, but he’s got handles, his finishing is unmatched, sure largely due to his physical gifts, but also the large amounts of skill. Not to mention his leadership and work ethic which are also skills
@@finn54123 I’m not gonna lie I wouldn’t say largely due to his physical abilities cause we got mofos like gobert with the same heigh and longer wingspan and he’s not doing the same, u got mo bamba boo bol. They’re not doing what he’s doing
Skill in media is more like the "offensive bag" rather than what's skills a player possesses. Going by the definition of doing well regarding everything on the court, everything besides on-ball offense is heavily under appreciated .
I think the “skill” that people are trying to define is difficult shot creation and that’s it. How many moves do you have and how many off balanced heavily contested shots can you make. It’s silly but it’s what people are defining.
When I hear the word "skill" in NBA debates I'm thinking of both offense and defense, so someone could say Kyrie is the most offensively skilled player but defensively you can't say that you could however for Kawhi or Jrue Holiday maybe, but I don't look at skill at just being an offensive thing because it takes great skill to be a great defender in the NBA, especially in today's game.
Skill is important, but not nearly as important as actual production. Lebron, Giannis, Shaq, and even people like MJ are skilled, but they can generate easy buckets that don't require that much skill. At the end of the day, skill usually gets trumped by the team with the most size, better gameplans, effort, and aggressiveness in a 7 game series anyways. Also, "skill" is not very important at all to most non-star players as long as they do their job.
That’s true but rarely do you hear a lot of the analysts and players say kyrie is better than somebody just off skill. It’s more so an appreciation of the art.
I'm a big kyrie fan but it was so obvious to me when they called him the most skilled player ever it was purely and anesthetic thing, how can you look at a players amazing attributes but not refer to them as skills because they don't look pretty? Glad you're back tho sage, I missed the videos ngl 🤫
when the media say "skill" for KD and Kyrie it really means, Kyrie: greatest handle, greatest rim finisher, best clutch player. KD: 7 foot big man with pg capabilites (which is credit because we've never seen that before for a guy that size).
Another player who never gets brought up in "skilled" conversations: the new back to back MVP. Jokic already has a reputation as the greatest playmaking big of all time, plus he arguably has the deepest post bag in the league today AND he can shoot pretty well from anywhere on the court. The skills crowd: "oH bUt He HaSn'T wOn AnYtHiNg YeT" Oh but y'all still call Kyrie the most skilled player ever when he hasn't won shit without another player who y'all unanimously agree isn't as "sKiLlEd" as Kyrie? Damn, it's almost like skill don't mean as much when you ain't got the intangibles necessary to elevate the skills you have. The same way that the numbers complement the accolades, the skills complement the intangibles... not the other way around.
Bruh I personally think KD and Steph and Lebron and Kyrie are both more skilled than The KD-Kyrie Duo , Steph is By faaaar a better shooter , obviously , he's 2nd in ball handling in the NBA right now and top 5 all time , He's a Waaaay Better playmaker and passer than Kyrie ,a Waaaay better off ball player and more importantly in a Team Sport Curry is a great teammate and team player because of his Overall skillset , where as Kyrie has to have a team Built around him to Succeed where as Curry can adapt to any role required to achieve the Most team Success ... And as far as KD and Lebron , Lebron's a great scorer , you don't get To 2nd all time without being a good scorer and has an offensive output that's as effective as KD , Lebrons FG% is 50% and KD is a 49% so they arguably equally as effective at scoring , Lebron gets the Edge for me because he's a Waaaay better playmaker ,passer and interior scorer , his ball handling is solid and pretty underrated tbh , He's a way better team player and Leader than KD , his skillset is Diverse enough that he can play ever single position on the Court at high levels , From PG-C ,where as KD has a better offensive build and scoring package while Lebron is better than KD at everything else
Well, of course. The opposing team has to be so wary of what LeBron (in the LBJ-Irving duo) can do on-ball, or what Curry (in the KD-Curry duo) can do off-ball that it gives the other (Kyrie or KD respectively) the room that need to destroy everyone in 1v1 coverage. However, when KD and Kyrie are paired, their skillsets overlap too much and they aren't great at carving out room for each other to dominate. When they used to have Harden, he was actually a great facilitator - one of the best in the league - which once again allowed KD and Kyrie to focus primarily on scoring. Without a Harden-like facilitator, well co-ordinated teams like Boston could isolate and wear them down individually like a pack of wolves taking down huge bison several times their size. A LeBron-Curry duo would have to be vetoed by the league though. That just wouldn't be fair 🤣🤣🤣
Lol no he hasn’t even been the primary ball handler when draymond is there the past few years. And when did this thing happen where just because you’re a better 3 point shooter you’re “way better” overall. We know there are three levels in scoring right? Right??? Kyrie is way better in the mid and around the paint. He’s not “way better” in any of those categories
@@julian2238 first of all , No one said being a great 3 point shooter makes you better than the next player , but it is still a Very vital part of the things that contribute to you being a great player among other things , 2nd,Incase you forgot, teams aren't Drafting or trading for players just to have them be skilled losers ,they trade and Pick players who have Skillsets that actually matter and can lead to the teams greater success ,3rdly, Stephen Curry is not just the greatest 3PT shooter of all time ,his The Greatest shooter of all time ,his more than Just a great 3 point shooter ,there's a reason people joke about needing to Guard Curry from the parking lot ,means he is that Deadly at Scoring that you have to guard him from every part of the court from The Pain to the Mid range ,To 3 point line and Beyond ,meaning to his prolific at every level of Scoring. You don't average above 30 Ppg on 50/40/90 averages by Just shooting 3s ,too many of you have become so struck in how great Curry is at shooting 3s ,that you forget all the other things his extremely great at , Curry is Just as good a finisher at the rim in case y'all forgot , His a Phenomenal passer and Playmaker , A more solid defender ,his more reliable ,more available and more Determined and Hardworking which are all skills that matter just as much if not more than Handles and Scoring , everything Kyrie can do Steph can do just as Good if not better except ,Ball handling , which is the only facet of the game Irving has an edge over Steph,besides that Stephs Got a far much Better skillset than Irving , Especially given the fact that Basketball is a Team Sport in which the goal is to WIN ,not be the most Skilled loser ,What good is your 1V1 Skillset if it don't translate to success when it matters 😂😂😂 if your Skills don't lead to wins or accomplishments then what Good is that skillset really ??? Only thing we can argue Kyrie being better than Steph is Ball handling and even then the gap between is very slim ,where as the gap between Kyries 3Pt shooting and Stephs 3Pt shooting is Worlds apart and it's not even Debatable , The gap between Curry and Kyries playmaking and Passing ability whether with or without the ball is so Wide it's not debatable ,Curry's Skillset has led to Far more Success than Kyries skillset ever did or will ,Curry's a 2 time Scoring leader ,2 Time MVP , 2 time Steals leader ,Holds Multiple Records in NBA history ,Curry's more Skilled than Kyrie at the things that actually translate to the most Success for himself and his team ,While Kyrie is literally the best a Skill that literally has no value in the history books , no accolades , No scoring Titles ,it doesn't even translate to wins when it matters .....Curry's Skillset is Greater than Kyries , Even Bron had to admit their was absolutely no way to stop Steph Curry , Why ??? Because his skillset and offensive package is One of the greatest ever !!! even in situations where he had less skilled teammates Curry was still able to make something of his teams with or without a Superstar teammate ,You don't win 73 Games and have The most effecient Scoring season by not having skill ,his literally the only player to Score 30Pts on 50/40/90 splits a feat Kobe ,Jordan ,Lebron ,Bird ,KD and Wilt couldn't do ,You don't just become Unanimous MVP by Luck or some Fluke ,You become Unanimous MVP by being sooo much more better and effective than Everyone else in the league that it's not even Debatable if anyone's at your level, To Put into Perspective ,Prime Shaq was 1 vote from being the First Unanimous MVP because of how Dominant and Unstoppable his Skillset was ,Steph was literally as Unstoppable as a Prime Shaq ,Curry was Offensively Bullying Teams defenses and Having players looking stupid on the court for even trying to guard him ,if Curry has less skill than Kyrie and KD then help me Understand why they haven't been able to win Championships independently outside of Lebron and Curry's Back up ?? Curry's Skillset won him one without KD , Lebrons skillset won him 3 outside of teaming with Kyrie . And Now Kyrie literally has the same One superstar player that Curry needed to be successful and yet he they haven't even come close or even sniffed the Finals together ,they haven't achieved any impressive success ,if anything they've been extremely disappointing and Underwhelming ,Curry's Skillset was deep enough that he was able to adjust his game to it meshwith Durants Game , Being able to Adjust your gameplay to achieve success is also skill that's why Kyries skillset has failed to Mesh with KDs and lead towards any sort of Success , Imagine Curry and KD were Swept in the first round ,Curry without a healthy Durant was able to at least get his injured and beaten down team 2 wins In the 2019 NBA finals against the Raptors .he was able to close out the rockets without KD because his skillset is that effective and damaging ,Curry on his own has a skillset great enough to at least be able to get you one Game Win at least , And yet the Most Skilled duo couldn't ??? 😂😂stop playing bro KD and Kyrie have played with more Skilled players than Curry and yet they've both achieved less than Curry ,Kyries had A GOAT candidate ,2 of The greatest Scorers of all time In KD and Harden ,his had Jayson Tatum ,Jaylen Brown ,Seth Curry (Top five most efficient 3pt shooter of all time) Joe Harris etc ,KDs had Westbrook (Triple Double King) ,former MVP ,assist leader em,his had James Harden ,Pre and Post Houston ,A 3 time Scoring leader ,MVP assist leader ,And of course he Joined the Greatest Regular Season Team led by Steph Curry who apparently isn't More skilled than him and yet was able to Beat KD after KDs team had a 3-1 deficit , When the warriors lost their 3-1 lead to the Cavs it wasn't even Debatable if the Lebron had the better skillset for Success ,But y'all wanna act like Steph didn't do the exact same thing to KD literally the same year
After listening to the clips in the beginning, it finally came to me. As someone who is much more involved myself as well as being more of a fan of combat sports, the skill argument is basically the pound for pound argument for basketball. An intangible subjective way of ranking athletes in a way that both: makes sense to those who watch it in a weird way, and has absolutely no way to measure it in any way to make it official. Skill in the NBA is basically just how entertaining your game is. Especially since ball-handling plays into it so much. Most guards can handle the ball just fine to protect it and still able to exploit defenses. People look at Kyrie as a better ball handler than chris Paul, but honestly, name something measurable that makes that a fact. His style is just more flashy and fun than Paul’s.
it’s like the argument when ppl say that shot blocking isn’t a skill it’s just based on height but then my counter argument would be why isn’t every 7 footer an elite shot blocker , ball handling and shooting is literally all ppl think about when it come to skill smh
In fighting, knowing HOW to use your length and understanding ANGLES is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the MOST IMPORTANT SKILLS a fighter NEEDS to have. Why don’t people understand that, although basketball and any type of pugilistic sport have different objectives, the SKILL of KNOWING HOW TO USE YOUR LENGTH AND UNDERSTANDING ANGLES APPLIES to basketball.
I define skill as something you can say you're working on without needing to do much of any further explanation. Ex. I'm working on finishing around the rim vs I'm working on my scoring.
The MOST SKILLED imo is the most all around player, bc defense is a skill, which is why I think LeBron is bc of his all around skill and high level skill
All-around it's hard not to say Chris Paul. Lebron's defense is okay but not good enough anymore to put that as a reason. Then again CP3's defense is overrated, no matter how many all-defense teams they give him
@@Trillesteva PG is incredibly well-rounded. Better defense than both the guys we mentioned, can be a distributor, a midrange scorer, a catch and shoot wing - it's why people say he's a great 2nd option, not that he couldn't be a #1
When people say "skill" they don't even mean all shooting and dribbling. They mean finesse. Now, my understanding is that while finesse and athleticism get contracts, it's fundamentals that get Ws.
I think when espn references skill they mean ball and body control with more of an emphasis on dexterity like how football considers football players position such as corner has less physical contact but is considered more “skilled “
In the way people talk about skill also refers to finishing package around the rim and how many moves you have and counter moves like when kobe put people in the torture chamber after he picked up his dribble. Half spin pump fake x3 spin fadeaway
A lot of these “highly skilled” PGs lack the intangibles that Steph has. Intangibles to me are a skill, it’s something you’ve had to perfect & become better at. Like there’d be possessions in 2017-2019 in which Harden is literally standing at half court while CP3 was facilitating…🤯 I think what truly separated Steph from the other greats of his era is the ability to create off ball in a way Dame and Kyrie couldn't. Incredible footwork running through screens that helps his get off the best shots possible which is part of why he’s so efficient. Imagine if Dame, Harden & Kyrie utilized these plays & perfected intangibles that would getting off shots easier?
I think a lot of times people want to use "skill" to mean "aptitude adjusted for height". Hence Allen Iverson, (the younger) Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, Kyrie coming up all the time. And, idk that makes sense to me. You can control (to some extent) your mass/strength, your effort, physicality, you can learn leadership, ball handling, shooting, etc. But you can't control your height and I think ultimately people want to know who is the best at the things they can control.
The only reason Curry doesn't win FMVP is because most of his skill is "invisible". 2 of his most precious skills are very subtle for general people that doesn't watch NBA often: off-ball movement & gravity. If you dont watch him often, you must be confused why this player run so much and why people chase him...like playing tag on the court without realizing the danger he bring if he's unguarded and how by doing that he could open space for others to make games become a lot easier for them & rising the winning chance for his team so much. He play the ball by not even touching the ball. Warriors doesn't win that final against Cavs because Iguodala locking down LeBron (just see his stat), they win because everyone makes everything easier for others to play. Passing, play making, off ball movement...and most of it is unseen effort. Skills like ball-handling & dribble is circus's skills. Enjoyable to watch, but give you almost 0 contribution in advancing the game state. You can dribble so fast & fluid, so un-stealable but if you do nothing other than that then whats the point? Your team wont win, you just ball hogging. Sure its entertaining & must-see tv but Panda playing with a ball is also cute & must-see tv too and they dont win championship by doing that.
@@benjaminan1183 while Steph is better at shooting, playmaking, defense, playing off the ball, being a leader ect. Also kyire being a better finisher is debatable
The discourse around skill is often done in terms of one-on-one iso situations. For whatever reasons people just forget that organized basketball is played in a 5v5 format and that requires and allows different skills to shine.
because organised 5v5 also forces individuals to limit their skills to allow others to shine, which promotes the idea that role players have limited skills, because they are playing with a better player who may be able to perform their skills better which as a result limits what they are allowed to show off. whereas in a Isolation situation an individual gets to actually displayed their SKILLS or physical abilities.
A lot of media commentators call missed shots bad luck, which is WRONG, SOFT, VAGUE, and WEAK. And it repeatedly pisses me right off. Thankfully I don’t. Thanks for this video, I have learned a lot more about skill.
I literally argued with 3 people on this very point. They equated being skilled to having a "bag". And I said skills should factor in everything not just scoring. You would've thought I was speaking Latin 🤦🏾♂️.
that's cause people run with ESPN's version of "skill". crazy the more you look around the more people don't think for themself. its like whatever ESPN or any other sports media say its gospel to these people 🤷♂️😂
Kyrie puts more flourish around his dribbling and finishing, Curry is more effective off ball and unquestionably a better leader and teammate. It's like Kyrie's writing is beautiful and entertaining but Curry gets more answers right. Kyrie: Dribbling:99 Passing:81 Offball:0 3 pts:91 middy:98 near the rim:99 leadership: -100 teammate: -100 Curry: Dribbling:95 Passing:91 Offball:99 3 pts:99 middy:93 near the rim:91 leadership: 99 teammate: 100
Man ya right, when i was younger i was basically Gio wise, after years i learned some different finishing moves, how to read the defense for passes or to do a simple drive without dribbles and stuff and developed some no look passes when i see the defense going at me so yeah the whole dribbling and shooting being the only skills is Just wrong
I’m an “eye test” guy who has played the game and I agree with you. Here are some of the most skilled guys I’ve seen play: Kareem, MJ, Bron, Larry, Muggsy, Barkley, Magic, Zeke, Petrovic, Mookie, Duncan and AK-47.
Defense is a skill too though. There is a reason that kobe said tony allen was gis hardest defender.. not an all time great player but a skilled player
I feel like the skill of gravity is better than the skill of ball handling, curry is the obvious example but even players like Duncan Robinson and Desmond Bane teams have to have a high tier defender to chase them around the court throughout all of their off ball actions. Which creates open lanes for other players.
Giannis' creates offensive advantages because defenses have to respect his on-ball driving ability. This causes defenses to allocate multiple defenders to help. Is that not gravity?
@@lifeslemons5408 That's driving, there's no way that's the same skill as moving around screens or even setting screens themselves. Even though they have similar effects.
I think leadership is a skill that doesn’t get mentioned a lot
Leadership is def a considering factor when mentioning skill.
Timothy DunCan, Dwyane Wade.
Lead by example.
Or you become a meme like Haslem
Ong, yet my dad loves to say yea kyrie is missing that and I’m like yea? Dame has it, it’s a skill that makes him a better player
Duncan, Curry, Butler, Wade, Kobe, Jordan
This “skill” argument is like an insanely specific ESPN stat it feels like. Like people wanna give kyrie his flowers for his ball handling and finishing abilities in such a way that they call him the most “skilled player of all time” to give him some type of credit like how ESPN will give you a stat about how someone dropping 40 points as a 45 year old in the month of November against the bulls💀
Kyrie the most skilled player to never win MVP have a sdocring title be all defense or even all NBA first team. But yeah he has the most skill all time
It’s not just the handles and finishing. The bag of moves paired with the efficiency is crazy. He’s not the most skilled overall imo that’s lebron but there’s a reason players and all time greats fan girl over kyrie offensive skill set
@@gabrielantunez7642 elgin could play defense and offense, rebound well and that stuff while kyrie and shoot...... and dribble so you get what i mean
I lowkey been thinking this. Why don’t more ppl realize that pretty much everything done on the court are skills? Even stuff like being physical or more athletic, like knowing how to use your physical attributes correctly to dominate is a skill in and of itself.
Exactly, having a high vertical isn't a skill but being able to use that vertical to contest shots well without fouling is a skill
For the longest people would say “ Giannis has no skill” and “Run and dunk man” but then act like there have been players that where Uber athletic like him and didn’t dominate like him. javale in his athletic prime, jaxson Hayes, Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan etc. Players have come with similar builds to Giannis but if he has “no skill” why don’t they do that.
@@boshix8130 Dwight's 09 run was more impressive than any Giannis run.
@@boshix8130 lol what? all those guys you said arent really like Giannis. Giannis has height, wingspan/length, strength, and speed. no one else has ALL of those attributes
@@russellwestbrick1754 when he entered the leage he barley had any of that, the skill part is knowing how to use that hieght and wing span to get a dpoy a skill is train to be faster and use his strength speed to blow past people, he was skinny as shit when he entered the leage but gained muscle and power is skilled enough to use it both needs ends of the court
Folks always want to talk about having a “deep bag”, but like Bruce Lee said:
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.”
It’s better to have one unstoppable move than a bunch of flashy BS.
Mfs gotta realize “skill” isn’t just how good you are 1 on 1
And even if it is Giannis and Bron destroying dudes 1 on 5😭
Giannis is majorly overlooked because of that
Skill is primarily a 1 on 1 thing bro
I’ve been waiting for a CZcamsr to dissect the flaw in the “most skilled” argument. Thank you TSO
As someone who isn't a fan of his, I'm glad you mentioned how LeBron unanimously gets sidetracked in the "skills" convo because he did alot of shit that takes alot to replicate at the level LeBron did it at
Only casuals think Lebron isn’t skilled
And by casuals that’s including a lot of former players such as Dennis Rodman and Stephon Marbury
@@Dabighomiee bro Dennis thinks he would lock lebron lmao
@@markelscott100 Rodman shut down prime Shaq... I think he'd handle Lebron
@@TheMissiIe no he wouldn't lebron is fast compared to shaq ur saying he would handle a 6'9 260 freak of nature that can pass finish and shoot gtfoh with that he wouldn't lock him up
When they talk about “skill” they’re usually talking about. Dribbling, finishing around the rim, space creation, flashy passes, and post moves (in that order).
Indeed
shooting accurately isn’t a skill for some reason though
The eye test argument, as it is commonly used, is people just watching highlights. Most of the people using the eye test argument aren't doing high level film analysis and this causes people to overate players like D'lo, Harden, and Kemba despite their shortcomings. Players commonly favored by the eye test argument look painfully inefficient and limited when under film study. If you were using the eye test, complete players like MJ, LeBron, Giannis, Duncan, Hakeem, Kareem, etc would be their top picks. If you were just watching film, skills like defense, playmaking, finishing, and off ball activity would stand out. More complete players that are perceived as "less skilled" dominate for 15-30 minutes a game and are somehow commonly underated by people using the eye test argument. Simply because the "more skilled" players dominate for 8 minutes and those 8 minutes produce better highlights.
Can you name these "less skilled" players you are referring too?
@@clutchtatum7054 They are viewed as less skilled. Giannis, Duncan, and Shaq would be the best examples.
Yeah, that whole 8 minutes vs 15-30 minutes is B.S that you pulled out of nowhere. You don't score 37ppg for a season with eight good minutes a game. The "more skilled" players are players that have to pull from a deeper, more difficult bag of tricks to score and not rely on simply bulldozing through soneone with size alone.
THANK you! - even thought I feel like you left out Bird
@@egglordsasuke8532 The "8 minutes vs 15-30" thing is talking about a decent player having needing more to get something done, like Brandon Jennings doing every move in the book, but shooting poorly. They just worded it weird
In the NBA community, I feel like we need to acknowledge the undeniable fact that physical capability is just as important as “skill”. Cuz at the end of the day, basketball is a sport. AKA, a PHYSICAL competition. Ignoring physical capabilities of players and acting like they’re not important factors in a literal sport is fucking ridiculous. There’s a reason no one in the conventional, generic Top Ten NBA player list is under 6’6. There’s a reason, for example, Lebron is arguably the greatest. Because despite his immense skill and high IQ, he is also 6’9 230 lbs of pure muscle and speed who at any point of any possession of the game, he can say “fuck it” and force himself to the basket for a bucket. It’s the fusion of skill and physical ability that makes him a GOAT. It was MJ’s combination of high flying physical gift and pure midrange finesse and skill that made him a GOAT.
Exactly. Knowing how to use your physical capabilities to your advantage is a skill in itself. If being big and strong was the only thing it took to be successful in the league, Steven Adams would be one of the most dominant centers of all time.
That's obviously true as well. Even someone like Kyrie has insane physical capabilities. Not only height, strength, speed and vertical (all of which are insane compared to a normal person) but also physical capabilities that are often overlooked like hand eye coordination, balance, reaction time etc.
It plays a huge part but not everything....like look at curry ...arguably a top 10 player
@@kingcort8073 Curry is one of the fastest players in the NBA and has unreal stamina arguably the best in the league
@@kingcort8073 He is still extremely quick, has unreal shooting talent and has taken a very selfless approach to playing. He is quite possibly the greatest offball threat ever simply due to how he utilizes these attributes.
Basically, he's a freak among freaks
The skill argument with regards to Giannis and how good he actually is made for some of the most disgusting discourse I've ever seen. Before 2020-21, it could legitimately be argued that his deficiencies in key areas (shooting, playmaking, ball-handling) held him back from being a championship player. He then goes on a run that showcased noticeable improvements in those areas and wins the championship. But even past that moment, people found a way to either discredit his run or refuse to talk about him as the best player on the planet. And it was always given the reason, "He can't shoot, that's why. He's one-dimensional." It's too stupid to talk about more than that man.
Those “yeah Giannis progressed further in the playoffs again but KD is still the best player on the planet” mother fuckers infuriate me.
Whoever said ginnias couldn’t play make before was crazy. Especially ball handling.
Whenever ppl bring that up bring up shaq.
@@JLMilly exactly giannis is skilled af. Not saying he’s KD or curry, but he’s got handles, his finishing is unmatched, sure largely due to his physical gifts, but also the large amounts of skill. Not to mention his leadership and work ethic which are also skills
@@finn54123 I’m not gonna lie I wouldn’t say largely due to his physical abilities cause we got mofos like gobert with the same heigh and longer wingspan and he’s not doing the same, u got mo bamba boo bol. They’re not doing what he’s doing
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Perfect example of this is Jamal Crawford is was very skilled but was mainly a sixth man his whole career
Skill in media is more like the "offensive bag" rather than what's skills a player possesses. Going by the definition of doing well regarding everything on the court, everything besides on-ball offense is heavily under appreciated .
I think the “skill” that people are trying to define is difficult shot creation and that’s it. How many moves do you have and how many off balanced heavily contested shots can you make. It’s silly but it’s what people are defining.
Skill can only get u so far, u gotta have natural physical talent
Decision making is a skill as well
I love how IQ is never brought up correctly in the convo of being skilled
Honestly. How Magic is never brought up is kinda messed up
IQ is not a skill. It’s like athleticism and physical prowess. You are either born with it or not.
When I hear the word "skill" in NBA debates I'm thinking of both offense and defense, so someone could say Kyrie is the most offensively skilled player but defensively you can't say that you could however for Kawhi or Jrue Holiday maybe, but I don't look at skill at just being an offensive thing because it takes great skill to be a great defender in the NBA, especially in today's game.
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Skill is important, but not nearly as important as actual production. Lebron, Giannis, Shaq, and even people like MJ are skilled, but they can generate easy buckets that don't require that much skill. At the end of the day, skill usually gets trumped by the team with the most size, better gameplans, effort, and aggressiveness in a 7 game series anyways. Also, "skill" is not very important at all to most non-star players as long as they do their job.
Exactly
That’s true but rarely do you hear a lot of the analysts and players say kyrie is better than somebody just off skill. It’s more so an appreciation of the art.
I'm a big kyrie fan but it was so obvious to me when they called him the most skilled player ever it was purely and anesthetic thing, how can you look at a players amazing attributes but not refer to them as skills because they don't look pretty? Glad you're back tho sage, I missed the videos ngl 🤫
when the media say "skill" for KD and Kyrie it really means, Kyrie: greatest handle, greatest rim finisher, best clutch player. KD: 7 foot big man with pg capabilites (which is credit because we've never seen that before for a guy that size).
Another player who never gets brought up in "skilled" conversations: the new back to back MVP. Jokic already has a reputation as the greatest playmaking big of all time, plus he arguably has the deepest post bag in the league today AND he can shoot pretty well from anywhere on the court.
The skills crowd: "oH bUt He HaSn'T wOn AnYtHiNg YeT"
Oh but y'all still call Kyrie the most skilled player ever when he hasn't won shit without another player who y'all unanimously agree isn't as "sKiLlEd" as Kyrie? Damn, it's almost like skill don't mean as much when you ain't got the intangibles necessary to elevate the skills you have.
The same way that the numbers complement the accolades, the skills complement the intangibles... not the other way around.
Lebron Curry Giannis seem to possess exceptional leadership qualities.
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Bruh I personally think KD and Steph and Lebron and Kyrie are both more skilled than The KD-Kyrie Duo , Steph is By faaaar a better shooter , obviously , he's 2nd in ball handling in the NBA right now and top 5 all time , He's a Waaaay Better playmaker and passer than Kyrie ,a Waaaay better off ball player and more importantly in a Team Sport Curry is a great teammate and team player because of his Overall skillset , where as Kyrie has to have a team Built around him to Succeed where as Curry can adapt to any role required to achieve the Most team Success ... And as far as KD and Lebron , Lebron's a great scorer , you don't get To 2nd all time without being a good scorer and has an offensive output that's as effective as KD , Lebrons FG% is 50% and KD is a 49% so they arguably equally as effective at scoring , Lebron gets the Edge for me because he's a Waaaay better playmaker ,passer and interior scorer , his ball handling is solid and pretty underrated tbh , He's a way better team player and Leader than KD , his skillset is Diverse enough that he can play ever single position on the Court at high levels , From PG-C ,where as KD has a better offensive build and scoring package while Lebron is better than KD at everything else
There's waaaaaaaay to many tangents in your argument
Well, of course. The opposing team has to be so wary of what LeBron (in the LBJ-Irving duo) can do on-ball, or what Curry (in the KD-Curry duo) can do off-ball that it gives the other (Kyrie or KD respectively) the room that need to destroy everyone in 1v1 coverage.
However, when KD and Kyrie are paired, their skillsets overlap too much and they aren't great at carving out room for each other to dominate. When they used to have Harden, he was actually a great facilitator - one of the best in the league - which once again allowed KD and Kyrie to focus primarily on scoring. Without a Harden-like facilitator, well co-ordinated teams like Boston could isolate and wear them down individually like a pack of wolves taking down huge bison several times their size.
A LeBron-Curry duo would have to be vetoed by the league though. That just wouldn't be fair 🤣🤣🤣
Lol no he hasn’t even been the primary ball handler when draymond is there the past few years. And when did this thing happen where just because you’re a better 3 point shooter you’re “way better” overall. We know there are three levels in scoring right? Right??? Kyrie is way better in the mid and around the paint. He’s not “way better” in any of those categories
@@lifeslemons5408 okay ,your point ?
@@julian2238 first of all , No one said being a great 3 point shooter makes you better than the next player , but it is still a Very vital part of the things that contribute to you being a great player among other things , 2nd,Incase you forgot, teams aren't Drafting or trading for players just to have them be skilled losers ,they trade and Pick players who have Skillsets that actually matter and can lead to the teams greater success ,3rdly, Stephen Curry is not just the greatest 3PT shooter of all time ,his The Greatest shooter of all time ,his more than Just a great 3 point shooter ,there's a reason people joke about needing to Guard Curry from the parking lot ,means he is that Deadly at Scoring that you have to guard him from every part of the court from The Pain to the Mid range ,To 3 point line and Beyond ,meaning to his prolific at every level of Scoring. You don't average above 30 Ppg on 50/40/90 averages by Just shooting 3s ,too many of you have become so struck in how great Curry is at shooting 3s ,that you forget all the other things his extremely great at , Curry is Just as good a finisher at the rim in case y'all forgot , His a Phenomenal passer and Playmaker , A more solid defender ,his more reliable ,more available and more Determined and Hardworking which are all skills that matter just as much if not more than Handles and Scoring , everything Kyrie can do Steph can do just as Good if not better except ,Ball handling , which is the only facet of the game Irving has an edge over Steph,besides that Stephs Got a far much Better skillset than Irving , Especially given the fact that Basketball is a Team Sport in which the goal is to WIN ,not be the most Skilled loser ,What good is your 1V1 Skillset if it don't translate to success when it matters 😂😂😂 if your Skills don't lead to wins or accomplishments then what Good is that skillset really ??? Only thing we can argue Kyrie being better than Steph is Ball handling and even then the gap between is very slim ,where as the gap between Kyries 3Pt shooting and Stephs 3Pt shooting is Worlds apart and it's not even Debatable , The gap between Curry and Kyries playmaking and Passing ability whether with or without the ball is so Wide it's not debatable ,Curry's Skillset has led to Far more Success than Kyries skillset ever did or will ,Curry's a 2 time Scoring leader ,2 Time MVP , 2 time Steals leader ,Holds Multiple Records in NBA history ,Curry's more Skilled than Kyrie at the things that actually translate to the most Success for himself and his team ,While Kyrie is literally the best a Skill that literally has no value in the history books , no accolades , No scoring Titles ,it doesn't even translate to wins when it matters .....Curry's Skillset is Greater than Kyries , Even Bron had to admit their was absolutely no way to stop Steph Curry , Why ??? Because his skillset and offensive package is One of the greatest ever !!! even in situations where he had less skilled teammates Curry was still able to make something of his teams with or without a Superstar teammate ,You don't win 73 Games and have The most effecient Scoring season by not having skill ,his literally the only player to Score 30Pts on 50/40/90 splits a feat Kobe ,Jordan ,Lebron ,Bird ,KD and Wilt couldn't do ,You don't just become Unanimous MVP by Luck or some Fluke ,You become Unanimous MVP by being sooo much more better and effective than Everyone else in the league that it's not even Debatable if anyone's at your level, To Put into Perspective ,Prime Shaq was 1 vote from being the First Unanimous MVP because of how Dominant and Unstoppable his Skillset was ,Steph was literally as Unstoppable as a Prime Shaq ,Curry was Offensively Bullying Teams defenses and Having players looking stupid on the court for even trying to guard him ,if Curry has less skill than Kyrie and KD then help me Understand why they haven't been able to win Championships independently outside of Lebron and Curry's Back up ?? Curry's Skillset won him one without KD , Lebrons skillset won him 3 outside of teaming with Kyrie . And Now Kyrie literally has the same One superstar player that Curry needed to be successful and yet he they haven't even come close or even sniffed the Finals together ,they haven't achieved any impressive success ,if anything they've been extremely disappointing and Underwhelming ,Curry's Skillset was deep enough that he was able to adjust his game to it meshwith Durants Game , Being able to Adjust your gameplay to achieve success is also skill that's why Kyries skillset has failed to Mesh with KDs and lead towards any sort of Success , Imagine Curry and KD were Swept in the first round ,Curry without a healthy Durant was able to at least get his injured and beaten down team 2 wins In the 2019 NBA finals against the Raptors .he was able to close out the rockets without KD because his skillset is that effective and damaging ,Curry on his own has a skillset great enough to at least be able to get you one Game Win at least , And yet the Most Skilled duo couldn't ??? 😂😂stop playing bro KD and Kyrie have played with more Skilled players than Curry and yet they've both achieved less than Curry ,Kyries had A GOAT candidate ,2 of The greatest Scorers of all time In KD and Harden ,his had Jayson Tatum ,Jaylen Brown ,Seth Curry (Top five most efficient 3pt shooter of all time) Joe Harris etc ,KDs had Westbrook (Triple Double King) ,former MVP ,assist leader em,his had James Harden ,Pre and Post Houston ,A 3 time Scoring leader ,MVP assist leader ,And of course he Joined the Greatest Regular Season Team led by Steph Curry who apparently isn't More skilled than him and yet was able to Beat KD after KDs team had a 3-1 deficit , When the warriors lost their 3-1 lead to the Cavs it wasn't even Debatable if the Lebron had the better skillset for Success ,But y'all wanna act like Steph didn't do the exact same thing to KD literally the same year
Ayo great video great insight.
After listening to the clips in the beginning, it finally came to me. As someone who is much more involved myself as well as being more of a fan of combat sports, the skill argument is basically the pound for pound argument for basketball. An intangible subjective way of ranking athletes in a way that both: makes sense to those who watch it in a weird way, and has absolutely no way to measure it in any way to make it official. Skill in the NBA is basically just how entertaining your game is. Especially since ball-handling plays into it so much. Most guards can handle the ball just fine to protect it and still able to exploit defenses. People look at Kyrie as a better ball handler than chris Paul, but honestly, name something measurable that makes that a fact. His style is just more flashy and fun than Paul’s.
Defense is just as important of a skill as for example, shooting and playmaking
Kobe and Shaq is a top 3 skilled duo all time .hot take ?
it’s like the argument when ppl say that shot blocking isn’t a skill it’s just based on height but then my counter argument would be why isn’t every 7 footer an elite shot blocker , ball handling and shooting is literally all ppl think about when it come to skill smh
These days skills are defined as being able to “hesi tween tween step back”.
"Skill" is "one on one" talent. Ballhandling, shooting, shotmaking, finishing, shot creation, playmaking, ADVANTAGE CREATION on ball, defense
In fighting, knowing HOW to use your length and understanding ANGLES is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the MOST IMPORTANT SKILLS a fighter NEEDS to have.
Why don’t people understand that, although basketball and any type of pugilistic sport have different objectives, the SKILL of KNOWING HOW TO USE YOUR LENGTH AND UNDERSTANDING ANGLES APPLIES to basketball.
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I define skill as something you can say you're working on without needing to do much of any further explanation.
Ex. I'm working on finishing around the rim vs I'm working on my scoring.
never thought about this topic but you 100% right lol. great video
The MOST SKILLED imo is the most all around player, bc defense is a skill, which is why I think LeBron is bc of his all around skill and high level skill
Where u rank PG?
All-around it's hard not to say Chris Paul. Lebron's defense is okay but not good enough anymore to put that as a reason. Then again CP3's defense is overrated, no matter how many all-defense teams they give him
@@Trillesteva PG is incredibly well-rounded. Better defense than both the guys we mentioned, can be a distributor, a midrange scorer, a catch and shoot wing - it's why people say he's a great 2nd option, not that he couldn't be a #1
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When people say "skill" they don't even mean all shooting and dribbling. They mean finesse.
Now, my understanding is that while finesse and athleticism get contracts, it's fundamentals that get Ws.
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yall forget that defense is also a skill
I swear I think people mean skill has "the player that's better in a 1v1 situation"
I think when espn references skill they mean ball and body control with more of an emphasis on dexterity like how football considers football players position such as corner has less physical contact but is considered more “skilled “
Being able to utilize your physical gifts is a skill
In the way people talk about skill also refers to finishing package around the rim and how many moves you have and counter moves like when kobe put people in the torture chamber after he picked up his dribble. Half spin pump fake x3 spin fadeaway
Paul George is EXTREMELY underrated in the skill convo. Outside of passing, he’s mastered literally every aspect of the game
except winning
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i swear people like balldontstop real life got some nba fans thinking skill is dribbling and shooting and that's it😂
When people talk about 'skill' what they are referring to is the flair that a player has, I think that's pretty clear at this point
KD doesn’t play with a ton of flair and is seen as one of the most skilled players in the nba, same with devin booker.
A lot of these “highly skilled” PGs lack the intangibles that Steph has. Intangibles to me are a skill, it’s something you’ve had to perfect & become better at. Like there’d be possessions in 2017-2019 in which Harden is literally standing at half court while CP3 was facilitating…🤯 I think what truly separated Steph from the other greats of his era is the ability to create off ball in a way Dame and Kyrie couldn't. Incredible footwork running through screens that helps his get off the best shots possible which is part of why he’s so efficient. Imagine if Dame, Harden & Kyrie utilized these plays & perfected intangibles that would getting off shots easier?
I think a lot of times people want to use "skill" to mean "aptitude adjusted for height". Hence Allen Iverson, (the younger) Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, Kyrie coming up all the time.
And, idk that makes sense to me. You can control (to some extent) your mass/strength, your effort, physicality, you can learn leadership, ball handling, shooting, etc. But you can't control your height and I think ultimately people want to know who is the best at the things they can control.
Hot take: Curry is more skilled than Kyrie (no recent bias either I been thought this)
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The only reason Curry doesn't win FMVP is because most of his skill is "invisible".
2 of his most precious skills are very subtle for general people that doesn't watch NBA often: off-ball movement & gravity. If you dont watch him often, you must be confused why this player run so much and why people chase him...like playing tag on the court without realizing the danger he bring if he's unguarded and how by doing that he could open space for others to make games become a lot easier for them & rising the winning chance for his team so much. He play the ball by not even touching the ball. Warriors doesn't win that final against Cavs because Iguodala locking down LeBron (just see his stat), they win because everyone makes everything easier for others to play. Passing, play making, off ball movement...and most of it is unseen effort.
Skills like ball-handling & dribble is circus's skills. Enjoyable to watch, but give you almost 0 contribution in advancing the game state. You can dribble so fast & fluid, so un-stealable but if you do nothing other than that then whats the point? Your team wont win, you just ball hogging. Sure its entertaining & must-see tv but Panda playing with a ball is also cute & must-see tv too and they dont win championship by doing that.
L, Kyrie's better at playing in the post, finishing & ball handling.
@@benjaminan1183 while Steph is better at shooting, playmaking, defense, playing off the ball, being a leader ect. Also kyire being a better finisher is debatable
@@kingofthe313 Defense and playmaking as a whole aren't skills, what specific facets of those is Steph's skilled more refined in?
The discourse around skill is often done in terms of one-on-one iso situations. For whatever reasons people just forget that organized basketball is played in a 5v5 format and that requires and allows different skills to shine.
because organised 5v5 also forces individuals to limit their skills to allow others to shine, which promotes the idea that role players have limited skills, because they are playing with a better player who may be able to perform their skills better which as a result limits what they are allowed to show off. whereas in a Isolation situation an individual gets to actually displayed their SKILLS or physical abilities.
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Thank you bro, ppl only think about 2 skills in NBA and forget EVERYTHING ELSE
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A lot of media commentators call missed shots bad luck, which is WRONG, SOFT, VAGUE, and WEAK. And it repeatedly pisses me right off. Thankfully I don’t. Thanks for this video, I have learned a lot more about skill.
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I literally argued with 3 people on this very point. They equated being skilled to having a "bag". And I said skills should factor in everything not just scoring. You would've thought I was speaking Latin 🤦🏾♂️.
that's cause people run with ESPN's version of "skill". crazy the more you look around the more people don't think for themself. its like whatever ESPN or any other sports media say its gospel to these people 🤷♂️😂
Kyrie puts more flourish around his dribbling and finishing, Curry is more effective off ball and unquestionably a better leader and teammate.
It's like Kyrie's writing is beautiful and entertaining but Curry gets more answers right.
Kyrie:
Dribbling:99
Passing:81
Offball:0
3 pts:91
middy:98
near the rim:99
leadership: -100
teammate: -100
Curry:
Dribbling:95
Passing:91
Offball:99
3 pts:99
middy:93
near the rim:91
leadership: 99
teammate: 100
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Kawhi is very underrated when it comes to skill
Man ya right, when i was younger i was basically Gio wise, after years i learned some different finishing moves, how to read the defense for passes or to do a simple drive without dribbles and stuff and developed some no look passes when i see the defense going at me so yeah the whole dribbling and shooting being the only skills is Just wrong
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I’m an “eye test” guy who has played the game and I agree with you. Here are some of the most skilled guys I’ve seen play: Kareem, MJ, Bron, Larry, Muggsy, Barkley, Magic, Zeke, Petrovic, Mookie, Duncan and AK-47.
SKILL? You need to define it.
For me, effectiveness is all that matters
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Defense is a skill too though. There is a reason that kobe said tony allen was gis hardest defender.. not an all time great player but a skilled player
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This has always been my argument skill is more than just dribbling and shooting
Skill is being able to do multiple things at a very very high rate, but if you dont know how to apply it then it doesn’t matter
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I hate how skill often gets pigeonholed into basically just iso scoring, especially in a team sport like basketball.
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skill is handles, shooting and post moves in ability, off & on ball ability
Defense has a ton of skill in it
I’m glad someone else how they’ve minimized what skill means in basketball
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I think Kyrie is one of the best "skilled scorers": pure point guard? Na. Defender? Na. Leader? Mid.
It’s so weird because skill is such a simple word lol. Like who made this stuff up? Skill is EVERYTHING.
I feel like the skill of gravity is better than the skill of ball handling, curry is the obvious example but even players like Duncan Robinson and Desmond Bane teams have to have a high tier defender to chase them around the court throughout all of their off ball actions. Which creates open lanes for other players.
The skill of off ball movement, not gravity.
Giannis' creates offensive advantages because defenses have to respect his on-ball driving ability. This causes defenses to allocate multiple defenders to help. Is that not gravity?
@@lifeslemons5408 That's driving, there's no way that's the same skill as moving around screens or even setting screens themselves. Even though they have similar effects.