Not necessarily because let's say you decide to purchase a LEGO set that only appreciates 5% after a year while others are appreciating 10% for the same initial cost. You could've invested that same money into that 10% increase set that would've brought you a better return on investment during the same period of time.
Maybe do your mental gymnastics in order to be able to comprehend a thing called inflation. If a set is being sold for 40 USD in 2020 and then worth 45 USD in 2023, if you account for inflation and decreasing Purchasing Power, you would have actually lost money on that investment…
Any investment that returns money is a baseline good investment. Yes. Some give greater returns, but something that has to be factored in is in enjoyment. We are talking about a product that is meant to be enjoyed. Yeah, maybe that r2-d2 UCS is going to be a big return in the future, but I'm going to get more enjoyment out of the lego 3 in 1 castle set. Both sets are a good investment; one might return more money should I decide to sell it later, but the other will provide more value to my life.
@Veritas47 even in a time of high inflation that 5 dollar raise is more or less staying with inflation. You really aren't losing anything. When inflation is normal that 5 dollar gain is beating inflation. It's really not as bad as you make it out to be.
Lego wages a war against scalpers, resellers and investors. Lego wants all the money to themselves! When lego sees sets selling really well in the after market, they will reproduce those sets. So as an investor, you should put your money somewhere else.
That's a very good point. However, I've seen many sets hold their value even after a minifigure was re-released. For instance the BARC Speeder with Sidecar with the phase 2 Captain Rex and the Utapau Troopers.
@@GabrielOuellet132Absolutely true! Genuine collectors are always after the original set, not just some recently released version in "2024". That's where the true collectors shine, willing to spend a significant amount of money, unlike the casual buyers who opt for the re-released versions. This happens in all serious collecting hobbies.
@@MrEast111Yes, that's a very good point! Now that I think about it, that's why collectors would even want to buy vintage toys even though they don't look as good as the newer sets that are re-released.
A lot of ROIs aren't great if you're comparing current price to full retail, but what investors are paying that for sets? If you're buying AT-TEs for $112, it's gonna take a while to turn a solid profit. But if you're buying them for $75-85, it's a much better proposition.
Yeah, completely! I find that it's much better to purchase them on sale to get a huge headstart once the set retires. Otherwise, sometimes it's just not worthwhile.
@@truecrimejungle All of the Walmarts in my area had them on clearance recently at either $70, $84, or $98. I skipped the $98s since we've settled at $112 as the unofficial retail price for the set, but grabbed the others. Check your Walmarts! As a bonus, one store had Botanical Gardens for 40% off, which is wild because I haven't seen any discounts on that set before at all.
I think all sets perform well, obviously some do better than others. But at the end of the day if you know the right times to buy and not hold onto stock for too long you should be ok it just takes a while until you see actual value when you want to sell which would usually for most people be just after retirement. I guess you just have to manage it and not go all in on specific sets, i guess you'd probably have a better chance at making a return if you brought all the sets just like investing in the global market. Just my opinion though, i just want to know yours abit more!
Yes, I got two Taun We minifigures and a couple of this set since it was released and sold them within a week so it's extremely popular! If you can get it on sale, I'd consider grabbing a few of these for sure. Once again though, LEGO probably made a bunch of these sets so you might have to hold it for a while after retirement.
The more investors the better, the more supply there is, the lower the prices, regardless of demand, prices might even go under retail if there is such low demand with high supply
bro 95% of sequels sets have lots value... your advise is it invest in the asset class thats the highest of risk? And one no less thats charismas themes? good luck with that ahahaha
Thank you for the interesting information! It is crazy how Lego keep increasing prices. Collectors are a huge portion of Lego's audience....but, it's too bad they don't market towards the average person as much anymore. My love for Lego began as a kid when I was able to get higher quality sets for much cheaper.
Yeah, that's a good point! I noticed they always put one nice minifigure in a mediocre set so people buy it! LEGO is much more expensive nowadays than it used to be.
If you put 30$ in something and it gives you a return of over 10% a year that's fantastic. Also the problem is that the Star Wars brand is tarnished because of Disney Lucasfilm's stupidity. You are looking for quick cash and that's never a good plan.
Would you not say that bigger more expensive sets will be harder to sell on the secondary market due to the affordability? And would most likely mean you would have to wait a while, i guess depending on time frames it would most likely make sense selling after retirement as it would be easier to sell and wouldnt inflate the price as if you held it for 5+ years after retirement. But also the shipping would be crazy expensive for some of the bigger sets which would obviously eat into your profit but i guess aslong as you can buy them on deals its always bonus and can cover shipping in some cases
I get what you're saying and yes, the bigger sets would probably have less potential buyers than the smaller ones. However, the bigger sets have a huge collector's audience that have money so it's actually quite easy to sell them, especially UCS sets. They usually also appreciate more in value annually than the smaller sets.
@GabrielOuellet132 yeah 100% i agree with you about the bigger sets potentially still having demand from collectors who are older and obviously would more likely appreciate the sets and have the disposable income compared to people buying as gifts or teens to twenties audience, was talking to a friend about it earlier, I'm new to this but have an understanding of appreciation and the market conditions and I would agree there is more value in having one big set with alot invested in it as its probably more easier to deal with and get a better return quicker potentially.
@GabrielOuellet132 I guess I'm just being biased off my own circumstance being new to this and not willing to risk buying the bigger UCS sets until I fully understand the market and how it works. I've always loved Lego growing up as a kid but never understood the value! I know I had some good sets from birthdays e.t.c but I never looked after them, haha.
@@phonkshop23 Yes, usually you do get much better returns on the bigger sets nowadays. Unless a small set has exclusive minifigures or a TV show comes out at the same time which increases demand.
Would you not say that smaller sets are better due to the affordability, considering after retirement they will go up no matter what combined with buying them discounted 10-40% if you can and also it would be alot quicker to sell on the secondary market plus if you have to ship the package the smaller the sizes the better they would be alot more value for an investor and the community that enjoy building sets they wouldn't be able to get otherwise?
Since you can get cheaper sets on sale, you could flip them for a profit much faster than the bigger sets, but in the long run UCS sets usually perform the best. Most sellers also charge the buyer the shipping fee, so the shipping costs aren't an issue to consider.
@GabrielOuellet132 Yeah, that's true. I guess you could always do that! I'm going to dip my toes in the water and start off slow with the smaller sets and see how well it preforms as it don't have much storage for massive sets right now and it would be something I would look into later on if I do decide to continue with it!
@GabrielOuellet132 if I can beat inflation and return over 10% on top that would be a great start aslong as you can buy on discounts I don't see how you can lose really, because I would imagine inflation will also increase the value of the smaller sets coming into retirement from their orginal release date, but it could potentially be higher or lower than the average baseline inflation number but either way its more than just that, that goes into the value of the sets!
@@phonkshop23 Yes, starting with smaller sets sounds like a great start and if you do purchase them on sale, once they retire, if the set is good it will go back quickly to its retail price on secondary market.
3,5 dollar increase per year for a 30 dollar set is more than 10% a year. Thats a damn good investment. U dont need to look at the seven dollars and think that it aint much. U need to look at the %. and 10% is a lot, u wont make that much by setting ur money on the bank, and u aint garanteed to make that much on the stock market.
It's clear that the dude is looking for a fast big payout. We all know how that goes. Also people can ask whatever they want if these sets that have massive markups don't sell what's asked for them is irrelevant. On a side note someone that's not old enough to pay taxes shouldn't be talking about investing. And buying a few sets is not investing.
Who is so silly and sells complete sets on Bricklink? Bricklink is for parts / minifigs to get the best POV. Also, who seriously bought sets like 75280 for full retail price as investment?
You're the reason why normal people can't buy lego anymore. We people have a lot of things in life to do we can't camp out of a lego store on release just to buy sets. It's unfortunate that stocks in stores are always devastated by you "investors". I hope Lego re-release all minifigs you guys are holding for a very long time like the cloud city boba fett. I've been wanting to buy the boarding the tantive set for a while now but it's out of stock everywhere.
Huh, for me the Boarding the Tantive IV is in back order right now. Most investors don't buy sets on the release date and wait until they are close to retirement to purchase them. At least, that's what I do so everyone still has a chance to get the sets.
Lego investors don't affect anything. The 'normal' people that you refer to can buy any Lego set (at any Lego retailer) from the day of release until the day it goes out of stock (usually between 9 months and 10 years). No-one is stopping anyone from buying sets, and if investors buy more of a specific set, then Lego will make more (supply and demand). They also regularly postpone the retirement date of many of the popular sets that investors buy, allowing additional time for anyone to buy them (again - supply and demand). The idea that investors are distorting the market is a myth. Lego is no different to wine, watches, cars, antiques, or anything else that goes up in value over time when it becomes rare. If you have a demand for something, then simply buy it when there is supply. If not, the price is likely to rise.
I sure hope it is
The mental gymnastics I would have to do to say that something that has increased in value after purchase is a bad investment is insane.
Not necessarily because let's say you decide to purchase a LEGO set that only appreciates 5% after a year while others are appreciating 10% for the same initial cost. You could've invested that same money into that 10% increase set that would've brought you a better return on investment during the same period of time.
Maybe do your mental gymnastics in order to be able to comprehend a thing called inflation. If a set is being sold for 40 USD in 2020 and then worth 45 USD in 2023, if you account for inflation and decreasing Purchasing Power, you would have actually lost money on that investment…
Any investment that returns money is a baseline good investment.
Yes. Some give greater returns, but something that has to be factored in is in enjoyment. We are talking about a product that is meant to be enjoyed.
Yeah, maybe that r2-d2 UCS is going to be a big return in the future, but I'm going to get more enjoyment out of the lego 3 in 1 castle set. Both sets are a good investment; one might return more money should I decide to sell it later, but the other will provide more value to my life.
@@Veritas47 almost every product sold today loses value as soon as you purchase it. Those are bad investments.
@Veritas47 even in a time of high inflation that 5 dollar raise is more or less staying with inflation. You really aren't losing anything. When inflation is normal that 5 dollar gain is beating inflation. It's really not as bad as you make it out to be.
Lego wages a war against scalpers, resellers and investors. Lego wants all the money to themselves! When lego sees sets selling really well in the after market, they will reproduce those sets. So as an investor, you should put your money somewhere else.
That's a very good point. However, I've seen many sets hold their value even after a minifigure was re-released. For instance the BARC Speeder with Sidecar with the phase 2 Captain Rex and the Utapau Troopers.
@@GabrielOuellet132Absolutely true! Genuine collectors are always after the original set, not just some recently released version in "2024". That's where the true collectors shine, willing to spend a significant amount of money, unlike the casual buyers who opt for the re-released versions. This happens in all serious collecting hobbies.
@@MrEast111Yes, that's a very good point! Now that I think about it, that's why collectors would even want to buy vintage toys even though they don't look as good as the newer sets that are re-released.
I wish you all the worst of luck in your investments!
625-550 is not 125 bro. It’s gone up in value by 75$.
I might've made a mistake. Which set was that?
@@GabrielOuellet132 the coliseum. You said it retails for 550 and that it resells for 625. No hate btw, great video!
@@SeveralDolphin8You're right lol, I can't do maths! No problem, thanks for letting me know.
The question I have concerning investing in Lego is : does people actually pay a lot more for a battle pack ( only an example )
A lot of ROIs aren't great if you're comparing current price to full retail, but what investors are paying that for sets? If you're buying AT-TEs for $112, it's gonna take a while to turn a solid profit. But if you're buying them for $75-85, it's a much better proposition.
where do you find them for 75-85?
Yeah, completely! I find that it's much better to purchase them on sale to get a huge headstart once the set retires. Otherwise, sometimes it's just not worthwhile.
@@truecrimejungle All of the Walmarts in my area had them on clearance recently at either $70, $84, or $98. I skipped the $98s since we've settled at $112 as the unofficial retail price for the set, but grabbed the others. Check your Walmarts!
As a bonus, one store had Botanical Gardens for 40% off, which is wild because I haven't seen any discounts on that set before at all.
I think all sets perform well, obviously some do better than others. But at the end of the day if you know the right times to buy and not hold onto stock for too long you should be ok it just takes a while until you see actual value when you want to sell which would usually for most people be just after retirement. I guess you just have to manage it and not go all in on specific sets, i guess you'd probably have a better chance at making a return if you brought all the sets just like investing in the global market. Just my opinion though, i just want to know yours abit more!
Do you think obi wan's starfigther will go up in value?
Yes, I got two Taun We minifigures and a couple of this set since it was released and sold them within a week so it's extremely popular! If you can get it on sale, I'd consider grabbing a few of these for sure. Once again though, LEGO probably made a bunch of these sets so you might have to hold it for a while after retirement.
Simply, yes - it will
The more investors the better, the more supply there is, the lower the prices, regardless of demand, prices might even go under retail if there is such low demand with high supply
I want original sealed black seas barracuda
Yeah, that really is a fantastic set! Quite expensive though!
bro 95% of sequels sets have lots value... your advise is it invest in the asset class thats the highest of risk? And one no less thats charismas themes? good luck with that ahahaha
Yes, it is.
Hopefully
Thank you for the interesting information! It is crazy how Lego keep increasing prices. Collectors are a huge portion of Lego's audience....but, it's too bad they don't market towards the average person as much anymore. My love for Lego began as a kid when I was able to get higher quality sets for much cheaper.
Yeah, that's a good point! I noticed they always put one nice minifigure in a mediocre set so people buy it! LEGO is much more expensive nowadays than it used to be.
@@GabrielOuellet132 Yes, I agree! Just like a few of the Star Wars 25th Anniversary sets...😏🫣
@@crispbricksYes, exactly!
If you put 30$ in something and it gives you a return of over 10% a year that's fantastic. Also the problem is that the Star Wars brand is tarnished because of Disney Lucasfilm's stupidity. You are looking for quick cash and that's never a good plan.
Would you not say that bigger more expensive sets will be harder to sell on the secondary market due to the affordability? And would most likely mean you would have to wait a while, i guess depending on time frames it would most likely make sense selling after retirement as it would be easier to sell and wouldnt inflate the price as if you held it for 5+ years after retirement. But also the shipping would be crazy expensive for some of the bigger sets which would obviously eat into your profit but i guess aslong as you can buy them on deals its always bonus and can cover shipping in some cases
I get what you're saying and yes, the bigger sets would probably have less potential buyers than the smaller ones. However, the bigger sets have a huge collector's audience that have money so it's actually quite easy to sell them, especially UCS sets. They usually also appreciate more in value annually than the smaller sets.
@GabrielOuellet132 yeah 100% i agree with you about the bigger sets potentially still having demand from collectors who are older and obviously would more likely appreciate the sets and have the disposable income compared to people buying as gifts or teens to twenties audience, was talking to a friend about it earlier, I'm new to this but have an understanding of appreciation and the market conditions and I would agree there is more value in having one big set with alot invested in it as its probably more easier to deal with and get a better return quicker potentially.
@GabrielOuellet132 I guess I'm just being biased off my own circumstance being new to this and not willing to risk buying the bigger UCS sets until I fully understand the market and how it works. I've always loved Lego growing up as a kid but never understood the value! I know I had some good sets from birthdays e.t.c but I never looked after them, haha.
@@phonkshop23 Yes, usually you do get much better returns on the bigger sets nowadays. Unless a small set has exclusive minifigures or a TV show comes out at the same time which increases demand.
I buy all my Legos on sale so I pretty much get them for the prices they would be years ago 😂
Nice, that's awesome! How about the retired sets, do you buy any of those too?
Would you not say that smaller sets are better due to the affordability, considering after retirement they will go up no matter what combined with buying them discounted 10-40% if you can and also it would be alot quicker to sell on the secondary market plus if you have to ship the package the smaller the sizes the better they would be alot more value for an investor and the community that enjoy building sets they wouldn't be able to get otherwise?
Since you can get cheaper sets on sale, you could flip them for a profit much faster than the bigger sets, but in the long run UCS sets usually perform the best. Most sellers also charge the buyer the shipping fee, so the shipping costs aren't an issue to consider.
@GabrielOuellet132 Yeah, that's true. I guess you could always do that! I'm going to dip my toes in the water and start off slow with the smaller sets and see how well it preforms as it don't have much storage for massive sets right now and it would be something I would look into later on if I do decide to continue with it!
@GabrielOuellet132 if I can beat inflation and return over 10% on top that would be a great start aslong as you can buy on discounts I don't see how you can lose really, because I would imagine inflation will also increase the value of the smaller sets coming into retirement from their orginal release date, but it could potentially be higher or lower than the average baseline inflation number but either way its more than just that, that goes into the value of the sets!
@@phonkshop23 Yes, starting with smaller sets sounds like a great start and if you do purchase them on sale, once they retire, if the set is good it will go back quickly to its retail price on secondary market.
3,5 dollar increase per year for a 30 dollar set is more than 10% a year. Thats a damn good investment. U dont need to look at the seven dollars and think that it aint much. U need to look at the %. and 10% is a lot, u wont make that much by setting ur money on the bank, and u aint garanteed to make that much on the stock market.
It's clear that the dude is looking for a fast big payout. We all know how that goes. Also people can ask whatever they want if these sets that have massive markups don't sell what's asked for them is irrelevant. On a side note someone that's not old enough to pay taxes shouldn't be talking about investing. And buying a few sets is not investing.
@@collectorking6204ur damn right, stocks are my go to but I’ll always keep my eye open for opportunities wherever they may present themselves.
@@collectorking6204hopefully he’ll realise it soon tho, he’s missing out on a lot of money by thinking this way
I saw the republic frigate go from around $1000 new and I checked like a week ago and it’s only about $500
In USD? The cheapest one in the United States is currently $665 so $500 is an excellent price!
@@GabrielOuellet132 yeah I checked on stockx its in usd
Good
I hope so
Who is so silly and sells complete sets on Bricklink? Bricklink is for parts / minifigs to get the best POV. Also, who seriously bought sets like 75280 for full retail price as investment?
Bricklink will always have the best price for new and old sets in any region
You're the reason why normal people can't buy lego anymore. We people have a lot of things in life to do we can't camp out of a lego store on release just to buy sets. It's unfortunate that stocks in stores are always devastated by you "investors". I hope Lego re-release all minifigs you guys are holding for a very long time like the cloud city boba fett. I've been wanting to buy the boarding the tantive set for a while now but it's out of stock everywhere.
Huh, for me the Boarding the Tantive IV is in back order right now. Most investors don't buy sets on the release date and wait until they are close to retirement to purchase them. At least, that's what I do so everyone still has a chance to get the sets.
Lego investors don't affect anything. The 'normal' people that you refer to can buy any Lego set (at any Lego retailer) from the day of release until the day it goes out of stock (usually between 9 months and 10 years).
No-one is stopping anyone from buying sets, and if investors buy more of a specific set, then Lego will make more (supply and demand). They also regularly postpone the retirement date of many of the popular sets that investors buy, allowing additional time for anyone to buy them (again - supply and demand).
The idea that investors are distorting the market is a myth. Lego is no different to wine, watches, cars, antiques, or anything else that goes up in value over time when it becomes rare. If you have a demand for something, then simply buy it when there is supply. If not, the price is likely to rise.
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