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Lots of respect for both Tadej and Jonas, their rivalry is fascinating. Nice to see Tadej congratulate Jonas as they crossed the line. That's classy.
Pogi is top class standup guy
Greatest tour rivalry ever!
Imho. both a exceedingly likeable people. Not primadonnas in any way, just a couple of big boys having fun with their passion of bike riding.
I'm Danish, so while I cheer for Vingegaard, I just hope the best one wins and that everyone gets through the races safely.
@@chadserman9572 it’s the way they do it that is almost moving. They make each other better or something. And they both have a certain humility. I think the sport lends itself to this behavior.
Seeing Jonas work together with Pog was real race, that's what we all want!!
I don’t know if Jonas wins this year, but the dude rides with equal parts heart and brain. Total respect. What a great tour this is proving to be.
Doping
Prove it @@andresucu
As far as I'm concerned, Jonas's Tour is complete, even if he did nothing else. What a triumph of courage, tenacity, and grit.
Beating Tadej in that final sprint, after this day... amazing.
The "balls" comment is going to haunt Remco this entire tour. His comment section on Instagram is in pieces. Nobody is letting up 😂😂😂
gonna need lighter balls. :x
Guys coming in 3 hrs down cycling has become so fake
I mean, what a knucklehead.
Yes, for now he seems upbeat in his interviews, but I imagine if the comments continue he will eventually get a little testis.
Look whos talking now Remco?
"my time will come, our time will come" - Jonas
The biggest result from today is that Jonas now BELIEVES he can win the tour. With the long Pyrenees and Alpine climbs still coming, he's going to take the advantage. Huge, huge win for Visma.
Burnt way too many matches today, ain’t winning anything. IMHO of course.
@@tonyg3091 Pog burnt way more, and destroyed his teammates in the process
@@Shadowboost How exactly did that happen? He obviously eased it on that climb, how does that work in your mind? Jonas was totally wasted at the finish.
@@Shadowboost lol, nobody destroyed anything. Except but of waut and Roglic suffered because they crashed. But in the finish interview Jonas looked most burnt of all. What he believed is not important, because everybody in strongest 4 believe he can win. Last year Pog win even 2 stages before 3rd week. And won with quite difference, not in photo finish like Jonas yesterday. And lost in 3rd week because his preparation were not complete. The same fate waiting Jonas. He will be lucky if he will be in podium this year. Missing preparation come to hunt you.
@@tonyg3091"He obviously eased it"? He was so cooked he couldnt beat the smallest man in the peloton in a head-to-head sprint. Maybe he did ease it, but the finish has to leave you thinking he was way over the limit.
Stage for the ages. Jonas used the balls between his ears.
haha this is a good one
What a comment🤣
😂😂😂
That ball won't help him get up the mountain! is all about fitness!
Ruined him. Either pogis mind is effed or Jonas used way too much energy for a stage, but still believe he is juiced to the gills.
and a chapeau to Remco for pulling back 15 seconds to Jonas and Pog on the run home … the kid deserves to be in the mix
Tadej riding the way he does is what makes this tour so exciting. Win lose or draw, the guy kills it for excitement. Never seen a GC rider like him & most probably never will.
For me he is the best racer ever to have ridden a bike, Period !! look at all the races he wins every year then flatlines it in the Grand tours also.
Champion of Chamions no matter the result at the end of this TDF.
The results matter at the end of the TDF.
@@tonyvanderstraaten1040Cycling does not consist of the TDF only...
Fully agree! Tadej is the best cyclist around...
@@tonyvanderstraaten1040 I guess we each decide what matters to us. I don't really care about the result. I just want to see a close race.
Tadej Pogacar is up there with Merckx for the GOAT title, there is no doubt about that.
I really like how Remco stayed within himself instead of jumping when Pogacar made his move. He fought back the rest of the stage and only lost 25 seconds as Jonas and Pogacar were playing cat and mouse with each other in the final stretch to the finish line. This is his first TDF and I think he is riding a smart race.
So he didn't have "the balls" to race today or?
He's a time triallist and he's riding like one, to his strengths
Do you even understand what having balls means ?
Also did you actually listen/read to the rest of the interview or did you just see the headline and went with it ?
@@jesmarina he did, he was excellent against Roglic. Something no one ever thought possible just last year
@@Stemmy03 I think I can confidently answer yes to both questions.
Any other questions?
Much as I like Pogi, he was totally outsmarted and outmuscled by Jonas today. When I saw Pogi take off alone and drop them, I said to myself "he's done. he won't hold on". Well done,Jonas and well deserved win.
Today was such a heater!
Big time heart in jonas
Frankly, he already won…beating death, then winning a stage in the hardest race in the world a few months later. He has 0 pressure…Tadej’s riding against himself. I think he just never, ever wants to feel again how he felt last year, after the time trial and the Col de la Looz. But other than that, I do believe he’s genuinely happy for Jonas and to be doing the dance with him again. These two are exceptional in every way. Sort of the opposite of toxic masculinity…fighting the elements and their egos, but not really each other…Civilized and exciting to no end. And Primoz is still there!!!
Thanks for explaining the EF thing, I did not understand that at all, from my wannabe Chesterfield…Love the EF riders, what a great bunch…management not so much…
Best era of racing in Le Tour. Jonas has no stress, sure he's defending champion but we all know what it took for him to get here. Pogi has all the stress on him, he decided to try for the double this year. We saw his form at the Giro, he looked unstoppable, he was the favorite. But today, wow, I never expected that comeback of Jonas on that climb. This Tour has already been fantastic, but it just got even better after today.
❤️🦋👊💪
Was he really dying when he crashed?
@@Kyrazifyme you ever have a collapsed lung? He was in the hospital for 12 days. In Spain, a very foreign country to him. Wasn’t even safe to fly him home. Without the ambulances and all that, how long do you think he would have survived?
The legend of Jonas continues back from the dead to catch and beat pogi today was nuts
Yes it was. 👊🔥🔥💪🦋
Anyone who believes this miracle recovery is above board, must be smoking their socks..
I refuse to believe he is clean ,
@@rolandcolavizza5368 But you believe Pogi is clean?
@@LadyBird-n2t Why?
Vingegaard is a Great rider. Period.
Did he get his period?
💪💪💪🔥🔥🔥🚴👍
No doubt. I have him #2 and I had him as #1 for a short time on my list last season until he attack Sepp. 🤔🦋💪
@@ChrisHornerCycling agreed. Put him #1 if he attacked Sepp harder to win the Vuelta
@@ChrisHornerCycling Yep put him as #2 because he showed weakness and gifted the win to Kuss. Gotta have that win at all costs mentality to be #1.
Now the real racing is on. . Sit back and enjoy. 🚴🇵🇭❤️
Let the action begin. 🔥🦋👊🛋️
So happy for JV to not only be racing so soon after his crash but win a stage. Actually quite amazing!!
We can second guess Tadej's tactics, but that attack of his made sitting on the chesterfield a lot more exciting. Not a snoozefest like yesterday. I hope the next two sprint stages are more interesting.
I thought he’d be lucky to START after that Basque Country fiasco. What a gutsy stage win.
He said he considered retiring
@@ShadowboostHe said he thought he was gonna die.
The reason why the 3km rule was enforced was because he got a wet surface dispensation on the last descent within the 3km, and it was indeed wet and also looked like the reason Roglic slipped. It had nothing to do with the stage itself. I'm not a Roglic fan, but I think it was reasonable .That's my take.
Edit: Just saw the Rolf Aldag interview where he said that it was announced on the race radio that they should remember that today there was a 3km rule with a one second [delay?] as opposed to the 3 seconds.
Surely it was because of the wet slippery conditions on the descent? But anyway, so it was announced to the team directors before the crash, not something they made up on the spot. Either way, I'm okay with it anyways.
To me he locked up back wheel.
But either way, rog always finds a way to fall
So if one biker goes down then you can use that rule 🥴
Wet surface dispensation... just the name is odd. Basically this means that if you're out of steam on the last 3 km and there's a climb to the finish line left where you could lose serious time, you can just lie down in a slow corner and badabing you don't lose time from that point. That's crazy. How can they decide what would have happened on the last climb?😧
@@clauso72basically you are suggesting that he fell on purpose because he would have lost even more time on that last 500 meters of soft uphill. Which is nuts. Roglic still has an aching colllarbone from his Dauphine crash. He certainly does not want any new trouble in that area, and even a mild crash is still something that I personally would like to avoid at all costs, especially with ten more days of brutal riding ahead of me.
They did not enforce it after the race. I was announced before the stage and also during the stage. The reason is very likely that they realized how much crash potential a mossy, slippy wet road has. They cleaned the road of the moss, but according to Fabian Wegmann, there was still plenty of it left and he did not like the road conditions at all. If the race had not been this fast, there might have been a group of thirty or forty riders going down there, which would have been extremely dangerous given the conditions.
In the coming weekend, Jonas will leave everyone flabbergasted. He is a spectacular rider and one of a kind.
What a stage today! Class interview with Jonas post race.
That _balls_ remark was a knucklehead move.
It wasn’t, he never implied that he was better than Jonas or that Jonas was weak, just that if he had taken turns with him and Pog, GC podium would be decided by now.
He also said before and after the balls comment that he completely understood and respected Jonas decision, but I guess people don’t care about that 🤷🏼♀️
@@Stemmy03 no, because he always does that, shows his arrogance, self absorbedness, then takes it back because he’s being scolded and isn’t considered cool…He doesn’t understand why Tadej speaks off the cuff and doesn’t get in trouble for it, and he always does…He got that comment from Tadej, when he said during the Giro, that Antonio Tiberi was the only one with balls to follow him. He was trying to encourage Antonio Tiberi. These guys might be great athletes, but they are also still boys all together riding their bikes together for hours and hours. Their character comes through pretty well.
@@mithramastropierro4853 Never saw him takes his statement back...
Also he didn't get that comment from Pogacar but from Tom Boonen, but whatever, not much you can do about Remco's haters...
And if you want to know his actual character, go listen to his interview with Lanterne Rouge or with Geraint Thomas
@@Stemmy03
Nobody hates Remco, he’s just pompous and very self absorbed…and it stands out compared to his colleagues. Doesn’t make him hateable…he doesn’t cause anyone damage, so why should one hate him…
@@mithramastropierro4853 Pompous, arrogant and self absorbed... but nobody hates him, especially you I guess ?
Curious that everybody in the peloton likes him despite all of these wonderful qualities you give him
Notes:
1) Given that Tadej had 2 strong UAEs (Yates and Almeida) in the group and no one else had anyone, it seems the better strategy would have been to drill the downhill and wait until the next climb (Col De Pertus) for the patented explosion. If done right, his teammates could even vacuum up all the bonuses
2) Normal rules are that feeding is prohibited in the last 20 km. So, the last feed would have been about 6km before the top of the Col de Pertus. The teams should have had soigneurs at the top of Cat 1 to hand off food if needed.
I was wondering about your item 1) as well, but didn't hear any discussion about it until saw your comments. Why not attack before the next climb instead? Might that be better?
Nobody's going on a 31k solo breakaway over the mountains against Remco, Primoz and Jonas. Perhaps Tadej should have put Ayuso and Almeida on the front before Yates and tried to solo from the ultimate or penultimate climb. 🛋️🦋
He knew Jonas will lose time on the descent thats why he attacked early @@starkparker16
They were counting on big gap created on descent. Which would have suceeded but they probably did not count on Roglic making it to Jonas and help him...
@@fangru7294I mean it kinda worked, but JV closed the 35sec before the next descend. tbh UAE didn't do much wrong, JV just fought very hard, nobody expected him to outsprint Pog.
This stage made the Tour de France so exciting. Jonas, who took the tour over Tadej the last 2 years, just proved that he's got his number once again with a magnificent finish. Can't wait for the rest of the Tour. Wish I was there..
Chris! Your shirts always look tailored, pressed and proper. 👔
Pogacar learned two important things from his attack that made it worthwhile. 1) He's tested Vingegaard and now knows exactly what kind of shape he is in, which might change his strategy going forward, 2) He knows he has a team that can defend his position in the high mountains if Vingegaard decides to attack. It's the team issue that makes me question whether Vingegaard is still the favourite I made him at the start.
Agree - the outcome of the stage suggests TP and UAE got it wrong but they had to test JV at some point and finding out just how strong he is was best done early rather than late. They gained a whole heap of knowledge/insight on that stage. The big question is whether they are smart enough with the knowledge they now have. The two (TP and JV) look well matched but the UAE team does look stronger and TP has a useful lead. I would put TP as favourite for those reasons and it will take something v impressive from JV - especially if TP races a bit smarter from now on. At least it looks interesting and exciting rather than the snooze fest procession that the Giro GC was.
How long is it going to take before you call out Maxtim Fernandez for being the biggest knucklehead race director in the peloton. This wasn't Pogacar's tactics, it was the race plan given in the bus BEFORE the stage started, dictated by Fernandez. Completely unnecessarily burned the entire UAE team, pissed off the teams that really only have a couple possible breakaway stages they could win, and put Tadej in a very high risk, low reward scenario. Fernandez = knucklehead.
Pog has to be accountable too. But yes, maxtim and the DS’s are absolutely garbage.
@@J-cz7yv If the DSes set a plan, you don't have much choice, especially since all the other guys are going to do what the DS says, as they are not untouchables and their contracts are toast if they cross the DS. Yes, Pog should be talking separately with Fernandez and calling b.s. on his knucklehead plans. He's the only one with the leverage to basically say "not doing it, you don't like it, you can release me and I'll ride elsewhere."
The problem is Pogi overrules all team orders. He cannot be controlled. This is well known
@@LarsRyeJeppesen This is nonsense. Pogi did not overrule anything today. That was 100% the script from the bus pre-stage. Pogi can go off-script himself, but he cannot make other guys go off-script. Not sure you understand how the management dynamics actually work.
@@biscaynediver Real question, how do you know that this was "the script from the bus pre-stage."
It’s not always the strongest rider that wins but the smartest rider, and team. We are being treated to a great race this year. No one rider and team boringly dominating the race.
JV is the one laughing now, but still doesn’t take any low blows in interviews on his rivals….keeping it classy
JV isn't laughing. He still trails by 1:14.
@@LABoyko Not for long….
@@ThistleandInkwell correct 😉
@@dynamo6735 Great to see JV 2nd overall and not necessarily at 100%, it’s still a win for the fans of cycling to have these riders at this time battling it out💛
You're excellent at this Chris! Chapeau for the analysis!
Jonas saw Tadej build a gap, caught him, mostly dragged him the last several kilometers, and still out sprinted him to the finish. Psyche!
You don't hear any of the Pogi fanboys saying anything about Pogi sucking Jonas's wheel for most of the last climb.
@@stusuchit2034because it was the last climb and not the majority of a stage. That is why he receives criticism correct or not.
@@alpsalish the last climb is all that matters
@@Shadowboost I'm not picking a side. Making a distinction. Winning is winning, but certain types of winning are rewarded differently in the historical context.
@@alpsalishit's not about taking sides. I like both riders, they are both class acts and very respectfull sportsmen. I just don't like the small fraction of the Pogi fans, who talk shit, berate other riders and react very salty when Pogi loses.
Thanks Chris. Finally some great commentary
I'm pretty sure I saw Remco drop a banana peel in that last corner.
I'm pretty sure I saw a spectator taking off her cap and throw it in Roglic's back wheel.
4:12 more Wild style !
It's clear that UAE Emirates must change tactics, they have to send riders to the breakaways, they are in yellow, It's not to them to attack, those who want to win the tour, they have to attack and try to win time, Pogacar only has to follow the others favorites wheels, conserving his energy to an occasion where he can really make the difference!
I agree 100%. But I’m not sure why Tadej and his team director don’t follow a more logical plan like that. He does this shit every year and ends with the same result against Jonas. He needs to use more tactics and brains and less braun
Defintely, all this gung-ho, race by the seat of your pants is wildly entertaining, but it doesn’t win grand tours.
Awesome racing. It’s easy to forget Pogacar rode the Giro. It could come back to haunt him later in the tour.
Look forward to this one! Will UAE be called knuckleheads today?
No! Tadej saved Jonas’s ass from all the doubters being a wheel sucker on previous stages
@@flexkikr Watch this be a repeat of last year. Jonas is the smartest on the bike out of all of them.
@@flexkikr Now that's some twisted logic.
They were very entertaining and a knucklehead. 😂🦋👊
Pogacar bonked. He ran out of fuel and payed for it. He looked like a ghost during cool down. Only after eating during the podium, he looked like the old Pogacar.
you know tadej was off because he lost the sprint. and jonas still couldn't drop him at all. jonas looks good but i think this bodes well for tadej going forward
CANT HAVE any faith in UAE. See my comment, they didn’t even have a feeder on Pertus.
Tadej was just mad as hell
5 ⭐️ stage.
@@diggsfather How is that your takeaway here? Can you explain?
Looks like primoz ran over a butterfly.
If jonas ride today is any measuring stick he'll take 10mins by the time the tour is done in the high mouwith that heat. The guy is something special
Love your stage reviews great work!!!
Been a fan since watching you win during superweek !
the fisherman strikes back
Eating a slovenian potato ti hus fish!
🙌🏽🤣
In the words of some guy named Chris Horner, Tadej was "a Snickers and a coke" away from a 1 minute win on the stage. Tadej defeated himself today, Roglic overestimated his form today and pulled for Jonas unknowingly at the time. Tadej made a familiar mistake and Jonas had pretty good form, a little more brain and a bit of fortune. As for the sprint, I could see with 800 meters to go that Jonas was in a bigger gear and Tadej was spinning too fast to get his much needed burst of top end speed. Tadej had this day won and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Perhaps Tadej knew he couldn’t push a bigger gear?
Did Pogi also change to a shorter 165 crank?
Pog was spinning high rpm because he didn't have the strength left to push a big gear. Jonas with that snicker and coke would also punish Pog
Appears UAE should’ve brought Majka and left Auyso (aka I don’t pull for anyone but me) at home. So much for being the best team….
ayuso didn't have it today. couldn't have pulled even if he did or didn't want to
Majka was in great form
Don’t forget about simple @$$ fact that Ayuso can’t position himself for crap
It's personal. Ayuso is Maxtin Fernandez's personal pet project. Complete favoritism. Fernandez is an incredible dim bulb. The guy is a train wreck. He'd be perfect on Movistar.
Ha! I thought exactly that today!!! Also Majka is a great influence on him.
I'm here to learn. Mission accomplished. Helps to have a great teacher. Some year I'd like to see the entire TDF, every minute.
Should think pogis job should be to just watching vingegaard's wheel, and make it to last time trial with fresh legs.
It's that simple.
Pogi won't., hw always has to show off watts as part of team "BIG BALLS"
It should be. But this is Pog, not Jonas, he loves racing no matter what.
@@tonyg3091 he loves wasting energy and losing
@@Shadowboost a guys with his winrate loves losing? hot take for sure.
Great stage, great analysis!
I felt a little bad for EF. They are trying really hard but not putting together the right formula for a stage win. Bright spot was seeing Giulio Ciccone finally looking strong on the climbs. I was also glad to see Rogla still in the mix. A lot can happen between now and the final week and Tadej has a Giro d'Italia in his legs that the others don't.
I think Jonas did a good job today saving energy behind Roglic on that descent, where Pog was solo using more energy. That was probably the difference in the end.
Why is this eerily reminding me of last year when Tadej eventually cracked on stage 17? Plus having the fatigue of the Giro in him as well.
I would normally agree, but I think he won the Giro without breaking a sweat. I'll bet his training rides are harder than was the Giro.
Thanks for your personal passion for Bicycle Racing and sharing your take on on this wonderful sport!
I believe Professional Bike racing in all of it's forms require the most skill, tenacity, perseverance and daring.
If the statistics were analyzed, I venture to say that bike racing is the MOST DANGEROUS SPORT OUT THERE!
Prove me wrong.
Thank you Chris. 😊
Got home from work, busted out Z2 sesh on the trainer, took my cold shower (100+ here in MD today) and now here's the breakdown from the man! Jonas is here baby!!!! 🦋🦋
Lucky us to watch such an animated Tour de France so far. We can all comment about good/bad tactics after the race but Pogacar did what he did and now he knows how good Vingegaard is this year. Pogacar still has over a minute on Vinegaard. Pogacar is an exciting and aggressive rider who will now switch to being defensive. Thanks for the highlight recap Chris.
I enjoy the analysis and I love seeing the Redlands Bicycle Classic jersey. I grew up there and my family still lives there too.
Big Balls Jonas!! :D ❤
❤️🦋👊
Yes, to go this time with Pog and work with him. This we all want, this are balls, man to man!
Anyone who paid attention knew that the ball was going to bounce back into Remco eventually. I wish one of the correspondents had asked him after this stage..”Now, about balls…any comment?” 😂
He’s got them big balls. Try staying within 30 seconds of Pog and Jonas on a stage like this, see what I mean. Matter of fact scratch that, try to stay within 2 hours, see how it feels.
What an exciting stage!
very good review and analysis thank you
Great channel. Thanks Chris.
👊🦋
butterfly effect baby lets gooooo, move over jonas train coming through
👊🦋🚂
Chris Horner on amazing form with the race summary!
Loved the part about Tratnik looking back at wout, sorry buddy, see ya!
I really enjoyed your breakdown, thank you.
great as usual Chris...be great if you added a minute to preview the next stage.
We've had some of the best stages ever in this year's Tour!
That road with 2km to go was insane.
Very scary
All the big boys made it through, but then again PR does What PR does best especially when he's cooked
That was one of the greatest stages I've seen! 2v2 at the end
Absolutely, Tadej doesn't need "big balls" he neeeds to take a leaf out of the Lemond playbook and sit sit sit he is in yellow, its up to Jonas to get "big balls" and take it off him
narrow down hill with water, 3k rule was a good move.
@howlinhauler. It's a pussy rule. Act like a professional. Stay on your bike.
Chris, was Pog looking for food before the last climb? He waived off the motorcycle bottle but it looked like he was rummaging for a snack in his pocket. Do you think he was hunting for some energy? If so, why isn't he sticking to a strict plan of regular fueling?
Also, do you think UAE had bad tactics? They've got like 3 guys inside the top 10. Shouldn't they be used more wisely?
Definitely looking for food and looked like he bonked. Interesting that he only bonks when Jonas is around putting pressure on him. Never saw this at the Giro.
love for these two great riders❤.The 7+w/kg monster Jonas coming again as he showed us in 2023 Tour.Have we ever seen Tadej performing 7+w/kg, they really need to put more concern into smart riding.
Yes we have
Yes ofcourse we have. He upped his watts game this winter. He showed in Giro
Pog and UAE can’t dial this guys nutrition in after 5 years. Not even a soigneur on Pertus. How can anyone have faith in them to win this race?
Looking at this W/KG and time they went up the Pertus, this was all time performance from Jonas and from Pog himself. And the result was Jonas climbing 30 seconds faster (nearly 1mph faster) on a relatively short climb.
Maybe things change in the future but I’d imagine on Saturday and Sunday we see Pog getting gapped by a similar performance. Could lose the jersey on Sunday. Never know but this seems pretty likely.
Yonas and his team will have to attack pogi for him to lose the jersey, the great ride that yonas did only got him 1 sec if pogi and his team just follows vinnegard it's noway vinnegard gets time
One win diesnt mean that next time will be the same. In the end of the day, Pogacar cant win all and everything. But in the end in GC win one that has best ratio. And this year this is Pog.
@@markopodganjek845 you’re right! I’m just saying a few stats and adding in my opinion on the trend of the race. WE REALLY NEVER KNOW THOUGH. Never seen someone handout a trophy before a race end lol!
I think Pogi got worried and could feel he was losing power so he backed off. But either way that only makes up 5-10” there so the rest Jonas did on his own. Was a fun to stage watch. 🦋👊🔥
Wasn't this guy just two and half months ago lying in a hospital with collapsed lungs, broken collarbone and a few ribs???
6 ribs 😂 in the peleton they call him alien, and i think they are right. And im all in for the ride 🇩🇰
For 12 days. How the heck can a person recover quickly from the injuries, the anesthesia, the subsequent therapy, in less than...a long time.
@@HH-xw4hr Lying? Please elaborate. Jonas's recovery to this level is remarkable.
@@plakor6133 Yeah i was maybe to quick🤦 i thought you said he only trained for 12 days. Got on a gottcha roll of trolls today. Oops, sorry mate
@@HH-xw4hr No worries. 👍
Oh man I was waiting for this
What a stage. 🔥🦋🇫🇷👊
It was a great battle between Vingegaard and Pogacar. I honestly thought Pogacar timed the sprint perfectly in the end but I guess he didn't have enough at the line and lost by a throw, I would have never expected Vingegaard to win in a sprint against Pogacar but maybe that will be the only time.
😂👀🦋🦋
His timing wasn't perfect...was good not perfect..10 meters and he would have won ..I dare say
I was watchin the sprint and wondered if pogi has a smaller crank length than jonas making him look like he has more power
@@imbalancedstatus8824 10 more minutes and JV would have dropped him.
@Foxtrottangoabc Pogi uses 167.5 or 165 crankset. Not sure which one but definitely shorter.
Big time battle 👊🦋💪🔥
Very good analysis!!
The old saying goes: 'If at first u don't succeed~try, try and try again!' (ie. 4 attempts)
He tried on San Luca, up the Galibier, on the gravel~then yesterday in a ridiculously early attack to break Jonas, but it's NOT WORKING!
Please, Tadey~use yr super strong TEAM and actually ride like u have the lead already!!!🙏
Put the onus on Jonas!
I’m an admitted Pogi fan, but I’m gaining so much respect for Jonas. He’s been brilliant with his tactics, and only burns matches when he has to. 🦋👊🇨🇭
The stage went the way the tour is about to go - Pogacar started strong, but Vingegaard caught him and won a close race.
See what happens when you carry around big balls…lose 25 seconds more. Weight matters. 🤣🤣
according to Remco, its the gravity that pulls him down ha ha ha
😂🦋👊🏋️
Can't wait to see vingegard compete on another race than a GT or 1 week race 🙂 like world championship (that he never won), Liège Bastogne Liège (that he also never won), Tour of Flanders (that he never won)... those races require big balls 😉
@@user-fd1qq9mv6uThey require a different physique. He’s a climber.
@@sardendibs they require what is called balls 😉
Great stage these 2 riders are huge talents …. Pogicar will win this year because of the first week , chapeau to them both
Best stage so far even better than stage 4. Those motorbike shots going downhill made my palms sweaty. Glad Primož got back a 30 seconds credit but I cannot see where he will find 2 mins on other guys other than chase 3rd spot. Is it more energy to attack the way Tadej did or to reel in the attack the way Jonas did? Fantastic take with so many details. Thanks!
Maxtin Fernadez needs to be fired.. hes lost the last 2 TdFs and hes trying to lose a third.... Why they aren't riding to isolate Remco, Jonas and Primoz then just ride into the finish and grab some bonus seconds is beyond me..
@@timliscum2861 UAE staff (not riders) needs a complete overhaul
Amen. The guy is an absolute clown. He would be PERFECT for Movistar. They should send Ayuso, his little pet, with him.
@@biscaynediverlol for sure!
@@biscaynediver Ayuso has shown his true colors here
They know, they will need more time on Jonas b4 week 3, especially the last 3 stages. Coz if Jonas keeps improving, he may very well take a lot more than a couple of minutes there. And todays stage was perfect for Tadej, he had to try. Tho I agree, it was badly executed. Considering Jonas is still not 100%, they shouldve been able to bank some time on him today.
Jonas actually said after Galibier, that he and Visma had expected him to be 2 minutes behind at that point. So clearly they expect to be able to take more than that in the last week. And we've known, since the route was announced, that week 3 is perfect for Jonas, and he just had to limit any time loss in the first 2 weeks.
Jonas is clearly still not quite there, but hes just as clearly improving every day. This stage, San Luca, Galibier and the first TT were Tadej's best stages to take time on Jonas, even b4 Jonas crashed in Tour of Basque.
I would say, after today Jonas has moved ahead of Tadej as favorite to win the Tour. As long as he can keep improving. And yeah, UAE really needs to rethink their tactics. But they made the possibly fatal mistake of not bringing Majka and Bjerg and instead bring 4 protected riders. The other 3 have already lost several minutes, but theyre just not the power house, that Bjerg is, and theyre not the very smart and strong road captain and mountain lieutenant, that Majka is. And with the much weakened team, Visma had to bring, they really had the chance to dominate, much more than they have so far.
So yea. Now pogacar really wishes he didn't blow that energy on the gravel stage...good call Chris!
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I wonder if there will be a similar comment after stage 14-how Jonas wishes he didn’t blow that much energy on stage 11 for it is a clear possibility you know.
@@tonyg3091 I suggested (incorrectly) that Pogacar didn't need to worry about blowing a little extra energy on Stage 9 bc there wasn't going to be GC action until the high mountains. Clearly UAE had different plans, so it makes the constant attacks on Stage 9 perplexing once it was clear he wasn't going to get an advantage. Jonas didn't start the attacks...he just responded.
@@tonyg3091what do you mean? JV was forced to respond today, to stay in contention. If it costs him later in the race, well that’s racing.
Pogy was never forced to attack on stage 9. If it ends up costing him later, it’s bad GC racecraft. Totally different situations.
Thanks Chris and Garrett....is Wout still in ? Papillon rules !
As a Dane, I love your pronounciation of Jonas. Sounds like Vinge go. Go go go Jonas!
All UAE has to do from now on is rid Jonas of his teammates, and not much more. All Tadej has to do is sit on Jonas’s wheel until he gets a “high percentage shot”. Keep it simple, and dial down the aggro…
@antonquisr1759. Matteo bonked hard today. Jonas is riding into form as his team weakens. Not great.
Let’s see if there is anyone in the world who could stop Pog from racing 😂😂😂 Kid is properly nuts that’s why we love him
Agree, today was wrong plan, could have been so different
Epic catch and win by Jonas. Remco misplaced his big balls and Jonas found them. Still Remco recovered well. BTW didn’t Jonas wait for Tadey when he slide off a downhill run a couples of years ago?
Yes, he did.
Yes he did on the Hautcam stage 2022. But it made a lot of sense to wait at that moment also. 🤔🦋👊⛰️
Now the GC 4 have two sprint days to sit in the peloton and recover.
Gonna be a great weekend! And fantastic TDF!!
Go Jonas! (Respect to Tadej too)
Well this did not age well, seeing what happend to PR in stage 12 :(
@@l3monsquare296 yeah, really shit for Primoz. I was enjoying seeing him up there around the front. He’s my next favourite after Jonas.
Finally someone that gives credit to Jonas and not obsessed with Poga and UAE like Bruneyl and Armstrong in their shows)
chris, why are u not a DS? Not only are you making cycling tactics assessable to cycling fans, you have a great personality. Love this so much.
Why do you think?
Cause it's easier to look at things in hindsight and be smart about it
This stage could be a classic GC battle. What with Cav breaking the record, this is shaping up to be a great tour. I'm enjoying Girmay going for the green as well
Wake up call for UAE, can't win just purely power and zero respect to everyone on the peleton
Not to change the subject but Wout Van Art is having some kind of tour. The kind nightmares are made of. What’s going on?
Wva and roglic crashed on fairly standard bends . I dont know why toglic turned so sharply
Could it be psychological? Something going on in Wout's head? Maybe he just trying too hard. Wout is too good of a bike handler to be crashing so often.
I'm worried he might not finish the tour 😢
@@patrickwong4824, the horrible crash in dwars door Vlaanderen finished his carrier.Got scared.
Epic stage, it’s getting very interesting. Jonus won the day despite UAE having 3-4 riders to help Poge, when VLB left JV exposed.
Yo Chris! I haven't seen a NutraFig jersey hanging in the background yet.
Hey Chris, It looked like Pogacar bonked/got a hunger flat on that second to last climb cause he kept looking around for food and a gell. Do you think that is what let Jonas catch back up to him?
He didn’t let Jonas catch up. Jonas went up that climb with the fastest time ever. Pog went up with the second fastest time ever. Result? Jonas closed 30 second gap.
Yes. I couldn’t tell if it was a hunger bonk or Pogi just went too hard and blew up. But one or other for sure happened. 🤔🦋💥💣 😱🇫🇷
The balls comment was about when you come in a race situation like last Sunday, do you take the risk of going all in, knowing it could backfire on you! That's why Remco quoted Tom Boonen that sometimes you need to show big balls and just go for it! He said that he felt it was a shame that Jonas didn't do that, but he understood the race tactics of him and his team! Nothing more, nothing less! That's all, folks!
Jonas going for it on someone else's bike as the weakest flats rider makes no goddamn sense. It has nothing to do with balls
Jonas owes primoz a beer for this 1. Thank you to uae and pog for making it such an exciting stage too.
Jonas achieved big win today. Pogacar hadn’t best legs.
But im not sure that this can be easely repeated.
Pogacar had the hole team working with maybe the best climbers in world. He made an epic attack and still couldn’t beat Vingegaard. Epic!
@mgr741 he attacked with 30k instead of using his team until 10k but he didn't even need to pull back the break away what was yonas gone do then 🤷🏽♂️ pogi played himself smh
@@markmartin4793 no big drama if Pog didnt win today. He cant win every day. Team is in mountain needed to pace tempo, that you win, if you have best legs. Pog has now more then minute advantage against 2nd.
how was this a big win? he didn't gain time, Pog tried to blow up his contenders but it failed, at least we got to see the cards of everyone but to say big win is a bit of a stretch no?
@@redscooter32it was a Big winn because it wass a Pogi stage. Now we are getting into Jonas land. Third week and looong climbes. It’s going to be a hell of a race
Loud performance from the quiet man.
Jonas helps me to understand what minorities mean when they talk about the importance of representation in media. As a quiet, reserved person, Jonas makes me feel seen. 😂
He is quiet, but he has engaged in a little Psychological Warfare and it's taking it's toll on Tadej and Remco.
He is introvert, but I love that
True that 👊🦋
Looks like Jonas is back and his tactics are solid. Must be nice to work with an old teammate.
I like the attack by pogi. Try for 10 seconds on the steep climb, 10 on the descent and 2 time bonuses.
Like it or no, if he repeats this he'll lose the tour in the same fashion as the last 2.
@@birdofprey108 Bingo.
Well, Pogi tried to go big. But going big means losing big is a possibility also. Pogi saved a big loss but certainly didn’t win against Jonas Today 🦋👊
What surprised me at today's sprint was the fact that Pogcar on Jonas wheel was holding a visibly higher cadence than Jonas. He should have been in a harder gear than Jonas if he wanted to sprint around Jonas. Out of the saddle is hard to accelerate if the gear is too light. Even without a draft, Jonas gear seemed better suited for sprinting on that grade.
Totally agree. Could have made the difference, I believe.
Pogi did not have the power to do a full gas sprint he let Jonas lead the way in the last 5km because he had no energy left 1 more climb and he could have easily lost the tour today
Because he couldn’t push a bigger gear.
Yes, I also noticed Tadej's lower gear before the sprint. But in the sprint, they seemed to have about the same gear, I think. Maybe Tadej sat down to change gear?