How GOOD was Venomoth ACTUALLY? - History of Venomoth in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-7)
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- Venomoth is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Venomoth in competitive Pokemon!
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*In a nutshell*
*Gens 1-4*
Venomoth: Nobody cared who I was.
*Gens 5-7*
Venomoth: Until I started to dance.
Scorpion Cox at least he became who he truly wanted to be
*Gen 8*
Venomoth: Mr. Free... I don't feel so well...
Butterfree: *laughs in gigantimax*
Are those Latin Rhythems? I love Latin Rhythems.
Quiver dance is an amazing move. Once you get to the 3 stats buffed in a single move, you start to gain value with even one turn of surviving the setup. Swords Dance, dragon dance, calm mind, bulk up, cosmic power, all fair to good, balanced moves that require you to attack or survive 2 moves in order to get them to pay off, but quiver dance, if you set it up once, you're terrifying, and the boosts mean its usually easier to set it up multiple times.
Add tinted lens and baton pass to this and suddenly you're a monster.
Venomoth Gen 4: Also when I got Tinted Lens and a neesh with Shield Dust.
This "How Good was X pokemon" video was actually just the journey of a shonen anime protagonist.
The moth pulled off a top 10 anime comeback.
A side character with a good arc
SlyScyther THE CHAZZ
Lord Beau CHAZZ IT UP
How good was luxray ( I am crying right now) actually would like to know your location
It’s so heartwarming that a Pokémon that got slammed at every corner suddenly became good.
So happy to see Venomoth come so far.
Sarasaland Subserviant just like his rby fellow bug/poison type Beedrill in gen 6 and 7 ^^
Never thought it was decent despite having the same type combo from a beedrill
For real though. You'd expect presumably mediocre gen 1 mons to be unusable in the later gens but quiver dance was like "nah."
Meanwhile some of the original RBY monsters like Exeggutor and Tauros became PU and power creep has knocked Metagross down to RU.
@@timclemens9937 I actually like this story better because it both was slowly getting better each generation and didn't need a mega to suddenly make it, but just slowly got more and more tools that it could use to become a beast
“Banned from UU despite being a NU mon”
Wat.
WHAT!?
Crazy how an ability moves and type can change the whole
This was a complex ban. You see, it was banned from UU because it was simply too good for that meta, but in NU it simply wasn't that good. The things that check and counter Venomoth were only good in NU. ;)
So basically Venomoth was in Gen 6 NU but had a Niche in UU, Venomoth's Niche became a Mainstay Staple and was too powerful in UU and was banned to UUBL, Baton Pass was banned which allowed it to fall all the way down to RU but shattered RU and was banned to RUBL. It's the same as Pokemon having a Niche in higher tiers but sucks in it's own tier but Venomoth was too oppressive that he left a tier where he sucked ass.
What a ride, Venomoth rose and fell tiers like it's an Elevator.
U N F O R T U N A T E L Y
@Fabian MEDINA MEDINA Maybe Dugtrio with Arena Trap, or Shadoe Tag users?
"being weak to psychic made anything not named Victreebell unviable"
*renames Venomoth to "Victreebell"*
Modern problems require modern solutions.
Alternate solution: Rename Alakazam and Exeggutor to Arbok and Weezing
I think you are not allowed to nickname a Mon a name of another Mon. So, for example, you are not allowed to nickname a Pikachu into Nidoking.
@@geometryemperor I just named a Zubat "Pikachu" so it works.
@@magmamaster1801 he was talking about showdown probably
@@abhishekverma8303 that might be a move in competitive honestly. It sounds like a rule that would be there
Venomoth entering the competitive scene like: So anyway, I just started dancing
Bram Deracourt 😂😂😂
*Unfortunately*
Me: Here we go again.
*Checks video length*
Me: Wait what?!
I love it when FSG videos subvert everyone's expectations like this.
Me looking at venomoth typing in gen 1
“May god have mercy on its soul”
And God have heard your pray
Arceus*
I TRIGGER PEOPLE
*Mewtwo
There was no Arceus in Kanto.
@@Cinko420 what God has an ekans biting it's groin lol
@@Cinko420 I believe you meant "Omanyte"
Gen 7:
Metagross: RU, used to be OU
*Venomoth: Used to be horrible, then pops in UU*
This feels odd...but the tiers be like this.
Gamefreak: “we need to give Pokémon a mega evolution that really need one”
Fans: “how about Venomoth”
Gamefreak: “did you say Salamence? Say no more!”
Thats why megas bother me so much.
Which is weirder since fucking beedrill got one,but moth got nothing.
Arbok too
tbf salamance is kinda bad now
Garchomp, Mewtwo (FUCKING TWO TIMES EVEN!) Tyranitar Salamence Lucario...
ALL Pokemon who REALY dont need a mega of course get one....
Honestly? I'm pretty happy for Altaria Beedrill Mawile and Lopunny to get at least a mega.
THEY are realy deserved a mega (and most of them also look pretty decent unlike Salamence who is a freaking flying Croisant now!)
ATV is an absolute legend
Most anime moment in the playthrough, IMO.
Yeah, may the dragon slayer forever remain in our minds and hearts
What a Legend he was, despite being 20 levels or so behind
@@GhostlyMorpher lucky for venomoth gen 1 ai isn't very good
@@CAMSLAYER13 It only seems that way because ATV is such a boss.
In the end, Venomoth proved that it truly could handle all terrains.
he is (with quiver dance settup) a nice counter to the tapus if you put time and effort on him.
ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE
Except ubers of course
@@williamhuynh869 HeY fErB i KnOw WhAt We'rE gOnNa Do ToDaY!
@@droidixbacon we are going to make it Ubers worthy? Im in.
Gen 5 happens
Everyone: well time to drop a tier
Venomoth : time to rise 2 tiers
Venomoth: Power creep? What's that?
Can't wait to see it get banned in ubers
Venomoth: *gets banned from UU even with unspectacular stats*
Crawdaunt: *gives a thumbs up*
@Clove Conway It probably breaks off a claw, holds it upside down, then grows a new one. XD
@Clove Conway *THUMBS UP IN LOBSTER*
UU is very ban-happy tho, to the point UUBL sometimes approaches the size of an actual tier.
@@Eriorguez Ugh, IKR? It's so annoying.
UU has a very specific metagame in mind, which is absolutely cancerous. Hell, look at gen 3 UUBL, which is BIGGER THAN UU OR OU
FSG: Venomoth was actually banned twice in gen 6.
Koga: I'm proud of you, my friend...
sabrina:me 2
Sabrina Isnt worth of venomoth
Why not Landorus?
It’s so beautiful to see a gen 1 Pokémon be usable in UU in gen 7.
Ik
Yes. Instead of a gen 1 pokemon getting worse each gen after.
Ikr
No evolution or anything
Gengar:
Gen 1: Completely and utterly useless
Gen 2: Lurks in the tiniest of niches in NU
Gen 3: Decent in NU, although overlooked
Gen 4: Tiniest of niches in OU; decent in UU, although overlooked; very strong in NU
Gen 5: Overbearing in RU (Equivalent to previous gen NUs in terms of tiering placement) to the point of being banned with Baton Pass, decent in UU, although overlooked
Gen 6: Overbearing in UU to the point of getting banned with Baton Pass, Overbearing in RU to the point of getting banned without Baton Pass, tiniest of niches in UU without Baton Pass
Gen 7: Strong in UU without Baton Pass
Venomoth not only rose in the tiering rung every single gen, but also did so amidst everything else falling around it due to Power Creep. What a godly moth. Hope it gets banned from UU when it (hopefully) gets introduced in Gen 8, so this trend will continue
Alas
Our moth friend did not return to Galar
Seeing venomoth be banned from uu when volcarona is there would be a trip.
Imagine Venomoth getting a stat buff at some point
Sad. He'd have been okay. Resists one of shifus stabs, beats up fairies, ends slowbro....Honestly hed be inferior to volca, but I can see UUBL since the tier below aint really equipped to deal with quivers.
Venomoth is Azumaril, beggan bad but with time venomoth became god
15:30 can we talk about how good this transition is
yes
Also resembles it's career, so proud of it
Wonderful
Looks like Venomoth bounced back after it's disastrous first 2 generations.
Milotic/Metagross/Mega Blastoise: RU in gen7.
Venomoth: RUBL
I guess power creep and moves really can make or break a pokemon
If Blastoise had gotten Shell Smash in gen 5 he would probably have been an OU staple. So one move can indeed make all the difference.
Now thats ironic......I like it.
@@zxb995511 Thing is, in Showdown, where Blastoise could Mega evolve and use Shell Smash, it was instantly banned, so if it got Shell Smash in gen 7, Mega Blastoise would be banned at once.
Mega Blastoise of all things was banned in National Dex. y'know, the same place where Galarian Darmanitan, Dracovish, Melmetal and Metagross-Mega are all running wild.
the nerf to steel not resisting dark hurt steel/psychic a lot it seems
A good example of a bug becoming a decent monster with some GF love.
Also, that design 👌
quiver dancer
@@Musasensei1674 Tinted Lens, Sleep Powder and Toxic Spikes
@@goGothitaLOL Venoshock if you can attack poisoned pokemon often and safely
Venomoth’s eyes are some of the best
How those weird black orbs in the middle make them look like pseudopupils, fitting their bugginess
It’s just sick dude
#MothGang
A series of unfortunate events: book 1 - having a psychic weakness in gen 1
Bruh
.....And don't forget about being bug type, too. Bug was completely useless in gen1.
*looks at the eye-shaped symbol representing the psychic type in the cards* checks out...
@Magnus Von Braun Most probably Venomoth cause it was top 5 best NU Gen 1 Pokemon
@@starmapping7848 uh, no, its good as a lead with paralysis and sleep but its not even close to top 5.
Someone please turn that “UNFORTUNATELY” into a ring tone.
Specifically when your ex texts you
lol
Doesn't begin
They need to make it into a shirt or something at this point lol
Imagine having a ring tone with it saying "Unfortunately" and your in the Bus as your phone rings saying "Unfortunately, Unfortunately, Unfortunately, Unfortunately" XD the People in the Bus would be watching you as your get your phone, they will think "your phone is a broken record' XDD haha XD
This might be the only Gen 1 Pokémon that has been consistently doing better and better since it’s debut... most others fall through the tiers or stagnate in a tier
Clefable with Magic Guard, Unaware and Fairy type, as well as 10+ in Sp. Atk
Nidos (more so Nidoking) with Sheer Force, which that ability combined with Life Orb does a lot of damage without the LO recoil, even with only 85 sp. atk
There's a decent chunk but most die miserably, Venusaur did pretty well
Dragonite: Am I a joke to you?
I would have loved to hear about the (albeit short) devastating career during Let's Go Full Candies meta, where Venomoth didn't only become OU, it became top tier in it.
Oh, and it's also an actual part of BDSP OU.
Complete FSG evaluation so far:
1. Charizard - pretty decent
2. Venusaur - consistently good
3. Unown - I don't know, who cares
4. Blastoise - very, very mediocre
5. Dragonite - incredible
/one of the greatest Pokemon of all time
6. Starmie - great
7. Snorlax - edge early on, but later dropped off
8. Gengar - phenomenal
9. Alakazam - great start, but later pushed down
10. Gyarados - pretty good
11. Chansey/Blissey - one of the best Pokemon
12. Machamp - decent
13. Arcanine - wasn't a bad Pokemon, wasn't a top threat
14. Lapras - not that good
15. Articuno - even more not that good
16. Zapdos - pretty damn good
17. Moltres - better than I expected
18. Tauros - it were rough two decades for him
19. Aerodactyl - decent
20. Nidoking - pretty good
21. Scizor - great
/truly great
22. Tyranitar - was and is amazing
23. Rhydon/Rhyperior - decent, at least for a bit
24. Shuckle - bad, until maybe gen six
25. Heracross - honestly, it was pretty good
26. Smeargle - pretty good
27. Skarmory - amazing, in singles
28. Golbat/Crobat - OK
29. Slowbro - pretty good
30. Wigglytuff - outclassed
31. Porygon/Porygon2 - Porygon sucked, but Porygon2 was pretty good
32. Porygon-Z - OK
33. Seadra/Kingdra - hard to say, OK, I guess? Seadra just kinda sucked, really
34. Onix/Steelix - Onix was outclassed, Steelix started out well, but never really got anything
35. Azumarill - certainly wasn't a Pokegod, but once it got its combination, it was terryfying
36. Magneton/Magnezone - pretty good, especially after evolving
37. Sneasel/Weavile - Sneasel was pretty bad, but Weavile was pretty good
38. Poliwrath - not great
39. Espeon - hard to say, potentially one of the strongest non-uber Pokemon
40. Umbreon - pretty decent
41. Ampharos - wasn't that good
42. Cloyster - pretty damn good
43. Houndoom - a little underwhelming
44. Togetic/Togekiss - Togetic f**king sucked, but Togekiss was pretty damn good
45. Pikachu - pretty bad
46. Raichu - pretty bad
47. Breloom - pretty amazing, to be honest
48. Garchomp - in a word, amazing
49. Gardevoir - up and down
50. Gligar/Gliscor - Gligar wasn't great, but Gliscor was awesome
51. Feraligatr - it depends, kinda well, not great, but certainly not atrocious
52. Typhlosion - not great
53. Quagsire - man, I don't f**king know
54. Meganium - sucks
55. Dunsparce - sucked
56. Donphan - pretty dang average
57. Jolteon - for most of its life, really good
58. Vaporeon - pretty good
59. Flareon - sucked and still sucks
60. Metagross - incredible
61. Salamence - amazing
62. Swampert - good
63. Blaziken - probably best starter of all time... for now
64. Wobbuffet - hard to say
65. Sceptile - pretty below average
66. Clefable - dramatically shifting its whole life, nowadays strong placement
67. Tentacruel - OK, for a while
68. Jumpluff - honestly not very good, but better than you might expect
69. Exeggutor - steepest decline of all covered Pokemon
70. Mewtwo - you're kidding, right?
71. Mew - really good
72. Lucario - really strong
73. Kangaskhan - OK
74. Flygon - never face of the tier, but always important and defining
75. Milotic - proud representative of its kind
76. Dugtrio - once it gain Arena Trap, it become the force
77. Suicune - as good as it is regal
78. Raikou - pretty good
79. Entei - not that good
80. Marowak - had a bone or two to pick
81. Ninetales - not very good at all
82. Gallade - pretty decent
83. Tangela/Tangrowth - among the most forgettable Pokemon, but once it evolved, it become the damn important pick
84. Electabuzz/Electivire - for the most part, quite bad
85. Magmar/Magmortar - not good, like, ever
86. Misdreavus/Mismagius - OK
87. Pidgeot - bland, until mega made it viable
88. Persian - sucked after first generation
89. Roselia/Roserade - pre-evo wasn't great, Roserade was
90. Weezing - always decent, at least in the lower tiers
91. Ledian - one of the worst Pokemon of all time
92. Muk - pretty alright
93. Delibird - one of the worst competitive Pokemon in history
94. Piloswine/Mamoswine - Piloswine was underrated, but since it evolved, it become the wrecking ball
95. Froslass - definition of a specialised Pokemon
96. Beedrill - until it got mega, one of the worst Pokemon, but after, one of the most important in UU
97. Celebi - great, great Pokemon
98. Aggron - pretty much on the below average side
99. Lugia - every bit as good and some as in other media
100. Infernape - overall, pretty good
101. Sandslash - went from being decent to despondent
102. Empoleon - pretty great
103. Ho-Oh - pretty good
104. Mawile - for its first three generations, seriously awful, but then become one of the biggest threats around
105. Torterra - wasn't fantastic
106. Golem - not all Pokemon can be amazing, and it is a prime example
107. Shedinja - honestly pretty terrible
108. Rayquaza - only superlatives describe how powerful it was
109. Ditto - may not be the best in the older games
110. Scyther - in the grand scheme of things, awful
111. Staraptor - one of the best non-OU Pokemon of all time
112. Lopunny - quite decent
113. Ludicolo - wherever best aplicable has made its trainers jubilant
114. Slowking - wasn’t a superstar, but was a solid overall Pokemon, and it deserves some pants
115. Nidoqueen - her reign has been fruitful
116. Pinsir - functioning quality, then launched into successful territory
117. Murkrow/Honchkrow - the Sopranos of Pokemon weren’t great, but they had their place
118. Claydol - victim of power creep
119. Groudon - amazing and then some
120. Kyogre - every bit as amazing as its legendary status would suggest and then some
121. Jynx - fantastic
122. Volcarona - one of the most powerful Pokemon around
123. Rapidash - not very good
124. Forretress - one of the most successful singles Pokemon of all time
125. Sableye - unique case, for the most part done well
126. Hydreigon - pretty phenomenal run
127. Dialga - very good
128. Palkia - went from utterly dominant to having its viability slashed
129. Jirachi - always ranged from good to great
130. Regirock - good, in the lower tiers
131. Pelipper - before gen 7, not great, putting it kindly
132. Manaphy - quite decent
133. Hitmontop - as unique competetively as design-wise
134. Regice - had a bumpy ride
135. Darkrai - one of the scariest monsters, then unusable
136. Registeel - consistently got the job done like nothing else
137. Miltank - has always found a niche
138. Victini - spotty in OU, until it pulled through
139. Regigigas - most neuter Pokemon of all time
140. Kabutops - mostly been known as one of the best Pokemon in whatever lower tier it landed in
141. Absol - hasn’t been given a toolset well-rounded enough for success
142. Lord Helix - has been dealt a tough hand, but made something of itself regardless
143. Spiritomb - wherever it ended up, was a solid Pokemon
144. Politoed - possibly the best „zero to hero” story in Pokemon
145. Altaria - prime example of new life breathe in with a mega
146. Crawdaunt - hasn’t been a high-tier superstar, but had its place
147. Yanma/Yanmega - Yanma was one of the worst Pokemon in history, but Yanmega found legitimate use
148. Leavanny - even in the lower tiers, it didn’t really have a niche
149. Glaceon - not really very good at all
150. Dewgong - never really been good, at all
151. Sudowoodo - perfect example of a Pokemon that needs an artificial push
152. Giratina - overall solid through and through
153. Hariyama - alright
154. Slaking - kids should overcome their laziness and go to school
155. Dusclops/Dusknoir - lifetime of crippling mediocrity
156. Pachirisu - had utterly nonexistent usage in any singles ever, but the world rejoiced at VGC 2014
157. Abomasnow - quite a good Pokemon
158. Parasect - one of the worst Pokemon of all time
159. Luvdisc - tragedy of Shakespearean proportions
160. Serperior - in its short existence, it has made its presence felt, and then some
161. Toxicroak - quite a fine Pokemon
162. Golduck - never has been truly excellent
163. Emboar - lower tier lifer
164. Haxorus - ferocious and then some
165. Samurott - an NU lifer
166. Victreebel - always had some sort of forceful impact
167. Zoroark - wasn’t good at all, while also being one of the most definitive Pokemon of all time
168. Wynaut - philosophically, it was hella finna woke
169. Leafeon - call it Bill or Ted
170. Galvantula - wasn’t spectacular
171. Chandelure - quite good
172. Greninja - absolute terror
173. Krookodile - UU lifer
174. Hitmonlee - it’s kicked around lower tiers
175. Medicham - epitomy of fear
176. Scolipede - absolutely dominating (UU) as a trend
177. Luxray - wasn’t good at all
178. Sharpedo - genuinely good (as UU lifer)
179. Vileplume - one of the best lower tier Pokemon
180. (AT)Venomoth - hail Venomothra
Yes!
God, someone put this in the history books
Banned from a tier for 3 gens straight? Venomoth became the RU BL version of Staraptor.
Except Venomoth isn’t outclassed and is usable in UU lol.
@@MegaMicah12 So, Staraptor is bad?
@@cintronproductions9430 Maybe up to Gen 5, but in Gen 6 and 7 Staraptor has no uses in OU
And Venomoth started as a crappy NU mon, heck it was bad in NU. The little moth that could!
@@acemerceramv8561 but it is not in UU for a reason
It is too strong for the tier
Quiver dance with substitute improved a lot of bugs types really and his tinted lens truly helped frag his counter matchups
Hello, fellow Venomoth enjoyer :) Quiver dance sweeping is still funny after three years.
Watching Venemoth 1 shot Metagross at 12:18 is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen 😢
I was expecting the “It got the worst diss-honner a fully evolved Pokémon...” speech for this episode. I can safely say that I was pleasantly surprised!
Venomoth is such an underdog story. From absolutely useless to a terrifying sweeper capable of going up against some of the games biggest powerhouses. All hail venomothra
I can already imagine Gen9 Venomoth abusing Quiver Dance + Tinted Lens with Tera Blast.
I love that _UNFORTUNATELY_ has become a bonafide FSG meme.
bonafide my guy...
Venomoth was being held back by the lack of good stabs, the absence of the physical and special split and a set up move. Once it got those, it truly shined.
It's so weird because its stats aren't that great. 90 speed and spa is alright, but not stellar and the rest of his stats are really meh. Crazy how good it got with those stats.
Back in days like gen4 as example. 90spe is good. Nowadays
100 is ok and +100 good.
For me i am a 'think out of the box - guy' i dont wanna say i hate meta but k hate people who stick with that and judge all pokemons/heroes/units etc by their stats.
FSG said it, it had his niche. And some meta-driven player understimate this small niche, or just oversee that cause meta exist duh
Basically all lowladder Uber players
Giving Pokémon new moves and abilities as new generations arrive can really make a world of difference, and rise from mediocrity.
like what happened to peliper and torkoal too :3
Also crawdaunt kinda
And serpertior
Honestly, Bug types got so many amazing abilitys that would be broken on other pokemon types. IE. Tinted lens, Shield dust...
and, Blastoise (who just got Shell Smash), Clefable, Nidoking, and to an lesser extent Nidoqueen.
Now if only Electivire has Bulk Up, Volt Tackle, Close Combat, Power Whip, Mach Punch, Drain Punch, Sucker Punch, Knock Off and the abilities Iron Fist and Electric Surge, whiling it's counterpart Magmortar has Earth Power, Dark Pulse, Aura Sphere and the abilities Mega Launcher and Sheer Force
if only man :(
This is by far my favorite video on this channel.
It's just so heartwarming to see the little bug break out of his shell and become a big and confident moth.
Government: the quarantine will end in a few weeks
The government a few weeks later: U N F O R T U N A T E L Y
Lmfao
Even if the quarantine ends, I was told that it doesn't mean the virus ended, so peeps will just keep getting infected and there will be another quarantine. I just want them to at least make a vaccine, if we become immune to the virus we can keep living life normally and then inject ourselves with it whenever it's about to wear off.
@@cintronproductions9430 no, at this point, some seem to just want to force it to continue even if the people don't want to keep it going.
America's pandemic response doesn't have any place in gen 1 OU.
@@venusrose9890 Outclassed. As the generations went on, it's failures in gen 1 were felt, holding it back. If only it received more attention right off the bat when it really mattered, maybe it would have gotten an evolution in gen 4 :/
I like his story it's like the opposite of tauros, he learned how to escape the bottom tiers and slowly become a good pokemon, without a mega or a special trearment
The true dragon slayer awaked
Venomoth: They danced at my misfortune...
Venomoth: Now I dance on their graves.
Venomoth is pretty much one of those Pokémon that while not too spectacular, it did get better tools to use as time goes on.
But power creep was also a thing as time goes on.
Heavy duty boots
Instead of one massive boost like a Mega Evolution, Venomoth just happened to quietly improve over time. Baton Pass, Tinted Lens, and Quiver Dance. Truly a "substance over style" Pokémon.
RU and UU Pokémon: Noooooo you can't just ignore our resistances!
Venomoth: haha bug buzz goes bzzzzzzzz
"Venomoth is known as a Member of Koga and Janine's team."
Sabrina: I sense a person who is wrong.
twich plays pokemon: just watching in the corner
Anime Koga: I see a person who's full of ******
She never should have been associated with a Poison-type. It's just silly. Why couldn't it have been a Hypno?
@@gengarzilla1685 the irony is that the gym trainers in Fuschia has Drowzees.
I mean, Koga has one in Yellow
Most Pokemon: I got power crept to the moon and back! Venomoth: let's do that... But the other way around. That sounds good.
Gen 1: "unfortunately-"
gen 5: "No, I don't think I will"
9:46
The beat drop matched the flame's burst as Heracross was hit by Fire Blast.
Nice little touch, to be honest.
I didn’t realize that at first, it would be awesome if that was intentional.
Oh hey it's a long video looks like venomoth may actually have usage
"UNFORTUNATELY"
It started weak and finished strong
@@grandmasterreggae true I made the comment before gen 4
More like "How good were Quiver Dance and Z moves actually?"
No, that was Volcarona
And Baton Pass and Tinted Lense and Sleep Powder and Toxic Spikes. No other Pokemon can do all of those things.
Vivillion can do most of the things Venemoth can, but doesn't come close to comparing.
@@Christian-rn1ur not really they have different set
Oh Yeah this why butterfree , masquerain, dustox and beautifly was top tier Pokémon too last gen right ??
I am honestly surprised from this video. Way to go Venomoth.
Wow. I gotta be honest, Venomoth is one of those mons I never really cared about, but seeing it go from chump to champ like this....like the man said; it's just heart warming. It's a true underdog story sadly most pokemon don't get and I honestly appreciate it a lot more now.
Somehow, Venomoth is my favorite 1st gen Bug-type, surpassing even Scyther and Pinsir. Until now, it's still one of my favorite Bug-types, alongside Heracross, Scizor, Durant and Yanmega.
Remember back in Gen. 1 when people say Bug types are the worst types of the series? Boy. Look how long they go.
And this proves that Bug types can be good and not always be the weaker ones.
Smogon council: We ban you from UU but we do not grant you a rank above NU.
Venomoth: How can you do this? This is outrageous, it's unfair!!
to be fair, the only reason it was NU at that time was because it wasn't yet discovered that it is actually good in RU. Might also have something to do with meta shifts, dunno but well, thats how a developing meta sometimes does strange things
Wow, this is one of the coolest and most eye-opening videos in all the years of this channel. Venomoth is a true success story in terms of buffing over the years, with no heavy-handed stuff like a mega evolution or insane stat changes. Just a trickle of new abilities and moves to power it up!
Who’s here after Mystic put venomoth on #6 on his top 10 worst bug types ✋
“Everyone likes a good comeback story.”
Gen 6's power creep was so extreme that *Metagross* became UU (without its mega, obviously). And yet, Venomoth managed to hold on to its niche. Also, after a Quiver Dance, Venomoth would actually threaten Metagross, *despite being weak to it*
In gen 7, Venomoth was faced with the hardest task for any special sweeper: handling Blissey. Something that not even Kyogre could do properly. *And it managed to succeed.* Do *not* underestimate this little moth.
And here's the best part: In BDSP, it's a legitimate thing in OU. This is what all the lasting buffs and general additions after Gen 4 managed to accomplish.
Venomoth, getting Quiver Dance: "I'm sorry, Master, but I have to go all out....just this once...."
Venomoth: Is Poison Type
Gen 1: I'm going to end this man's whole career before it can even begin
Arbok video please!
It feels like you have just been created , then you’re instantly in the trash can
Was also bug type too...Yikes
@@user-lq4ct6dr5m As a poison type, you don't need to be in a trash can. You ARE a trash can or something along those lines more often than not (wink wink pollution trio (Weezing, Muk, Garbodor)).
I love how much it got shafted because both of its stabs were *physical*
15:28 Damn what a transition I don't know if it was intentional or not but that was awsome
Venomoths impact on the meta from gen 4 onwards starts at 4:37, leaving 13 minutes of video left to watch; which is longer than the luxray video.
Tfw venomoth was more competitively viable than luxray. Unfortunate does not begin to describe.....
I like Venomoth more, so to me this is a good thing.
Good because Luxray is boring.
Suck for a Luxray fan like me.
But congrats to venomoth.
Not a surprise
Venomoth > Luxray
Staraptor set a high standard that Luxray and Bibarel had no hope of reaching.
I think its worth mentioning that Venomoth was actually something quite interesting and unique back in gen 1 Nintendo cup 1997! Poison types are significantly better in that format since Double team was allowed and Toxic was a common way of dealing with it, Poison types useing Double team couldn't be handled by that method! In addition Having Sleep power and stun Spore at 90 speed is actually a lot better then some of you might think, in Nintendo Cup level 50 Jynx was the best most common pokemon used, and it was usually a lead for its ability to pur something to sleep and then freeze something else with 30% Blizzards all the while taking those opportunities to set up Double team, Since Nintendo cup was bring 6 pick 3 those qualities made Jynx incredibly dangerous! However if you Run venomoth at level 53 it outspeeds Jynx and can put to sleep before Jynx can use Lovely Kiss! Then it can set up its own Double teams and paralyze something else on the switch. Nothing else that beats Jynx has a paralyzing move! (Besides body slam) and finally since Venomoth doesn't hit too hard it actually makes use of an attack that you wouldn't expect. Psywave! When used several times due to the free turns given by Double team and sleep powder in average it does some pretty alright damage output for a Venomoth! replay.pokemonshowdown.com/rby-gen1nintendocup97-1525 This is not my battle but it's a good example how someone useing Venomoth to moderate success!
Damn, that's good stuff mate.
@@dylanogg347 Thx 🙂
Venomoth was listening to "eye of the tiger" on repeat at the generations progressed slowly ever getting more and more stronger
Venomoth has an inspiring story
From one being shunned by everyone to being a God among pokemon.
I was honestly expecting another episode akin to Rapidash's
I was pleasantly surprised.
A Pokemon that actually got BETTER as the generations progressed!? This is incredible. I would not have expected this for Venemoth.
Amazing video :)
Oh hey past me. I still come back to watch this vid alot it's great
Banned from a tier you weren't even in. That's an accomplishment no matter how you look at it.
This is the kind of love we need towards gen 1 pokemon, not another 10 forms of Charizard.
A truly touching underdog story. (Or undermoth)
At least Venomoth got an indirect buff in Heavy Duty Boots
Lel nah
Exactly what i was thinking. Hopefully it comes back in dlc!
How does a moth wear boots?
@@shirshanyaroy287 The same way Reuniclus would wear boots
It's more of a nerf to lose Buginium Z.
Venomoth: I went from zero to hero
Clefable: Hold my Moonstone
I think Clefable was more like average joe to hero.
A simple way to buff venomoth would be adding 10 to its speed and 10 to its special attack
I still love Venomoth to this day.
Been playing NatdexUU and I have this absolute weapon sweeping if things go right.
Slap it up with Buginium Z. Have your sleep powder, quiver dance then Bug buzz and giga drain.
Youre all set.
Doesnt work 100% of the time solely because of Sleep powders accuracy, but its fairly consistent.
People dont really seem to remember tinted lens when they send in their fire or steel type that get absolutely demolished thanks to tinted lens. If they ARE a bulky mon like Mega Steelix or Mega Aggron, you have that buginium Z to one shot.
The only thing to be afraid of at full health is choice banded aqua jet from crawdaunt/ choicebanded bullet punch from scizor or something waking up in the middle of quiver dancing to one shot with a physical attack.
You live and die by the sleep and its possible to go substitute like FSG said, but giga drains just so nice with the overabundance of seismitoads/swamperts around.
Sap Sipper users like Goodra can be seen here and there, but are generally uncommon and you should have a team mate to hopefully help with that.
Fun fact, the Venonat line hadn't appeared in a regional dex since Johto until gen 9. Glad to see it getting some love.
What about the remakes
Still Johto.
Amazing enough to make a grown man cry
Actually, I think it'd be really cool if u do a How good was "Quiver Dance", showing the best Quiver dancers by every region, match-ups and what elses. Imo there such a hype on that :P
what did we learn today kids?
Butterflies suck, Moths are terrifying
bugs before gen 5: something sneezed at me and I'm dead now
bugs after gen 5: I am become death, destroyer of worlds
NO TERRAIN IS TOO TOUGH FOR ALL TERRAIN VENOMOTH
The way you described Venomoth's rise was genuinely heartwarming.
I love mons with a story of becoming better and better with each generation
Venomoth is one of my favorite RBY pokemon, love the concept of the bug poison that uses psychic
venomoth is realy cool pokemon and he is so strong like for venomoth
How to make Venomoth OU? Raise it's SpA to 100 or even 110. TBH it's already got most other things down. A decent ability, good STAB options, base 90 speed is nothing to scoff at. It just needs more power. Clefable became a total god in Gen 6 with only a 10 point boost in it's SpA and changing it's type to mono Fairy.
Easily one of my favorite vids on the channel. It's just such a wild ride, watching it absolutely invert the usual "powercrept into obscurity" trend, especially for a gen 1 Bug mon; and not only did it find a niche in the first place, it managed to slowly and quietly turn itself into an utter TERROR in the mid-tier meta. Beautiful.
For some reason you talking about venomoth the way you talk about much stronger pokemon legitimately makes me smile
0:48 *Names my Venomoth "Victreebel" *
I’ve always had a soft spot for Venimoth ever since I used it for my first Yellow playthrough. Glad to see it’s actually good now lol
I actually love Venomoth! I was a bit sad to see how bad it was in the first three gens, but that success story with Gen 4 getting the ball rolling is really heartwarming. When most Pokemon, especially ones from RBY, have a exponential downward slope in viability, seeing Venomoth jump back up from the brink of Ledian tier is so awesome!
Crawdnaut and venomoth, two pokemon with meh stats but an amazing ability turning them into a uu destroyer
2:59 The image of Venomoth summoning sleep paralysis demons just showed up in my head and it's hilarious
I Honestly Thought Venomoth Was The Coolest Pokémon When I Was A Kid!! It Had A Great Sound And Everything
I'm assuming the capitalization of every word implies this is going to be the most interesting biography ever written
Thanks For Your Assumption
Is Beedrill but better except when Beedrill mega evolves
Is Beedrill What????
This story is wholesome af
After all the videos detailing the saddening and heartbreaking declines of many Generation I Pokemon, it feels so damn good to see one that has actually managed to dig its way out of that hole to become great. And a Bug/Posion-Type at that.
so proud of venomoth :´)
Someone from the year 2000 coming to the future to watch this video
"This has got to be a joke video"
Watches video
surprised Pikachu face
In generation 13, there will need to be a tier above AG just for venomoth
Chuggaacconroy: Even though it clearly flies, it can still be hit by ground types.
Nihilego and Eternatus. :/
Peterson Byrd and Naganadel
Volcarona too. Even Magnezone and Chandelure for pete’s sake
Lel, eternatus sucks
Marowak after attempting several times to fling a bone through the air at an airborne target, but somehow always missing: Hey, I got one!!
Venmoth did that, I'm so happy to see it climb up.
One of my favorite episodes for sure. I loved seeing what used to be one of the worst Pokemon in the game skyrocket to legitimate viability, and without even needing a Mega!
ive been wanting to see this for 2 years and damn, it didnt disappoint thank you
What a lovely story. One of my favorite Gen1 mon
im so proud of my lil boi