4:44 is my favorite sequence. It gives the illusion that Achilles is completely invincible with his fluid movement, easy evasion of swings, and the perfect timing of the shield placement as the arrow hits it the moment he puts it on his back. He cuts through soldiers like ants and it shows how easily he dispatches them. It also ends with his signature finisher which is through the shoulder into the heart lunge. The choreography for this movie was just spectacular. They maintained his fighting style throughout the whole movie from start to finish.
Considering the myrmidons are ants turned men according to mythology, if I remember correctly, it might be better to use a different analogy for the way he cuts through the trojans there lol
well according to mythology he is invincible. his mother a goddess, dipped him in the river Styx when he was a baby making invulnerable. everywhere but where she held him, by his Achilles heel
Its like Achilles has clairvoyance like how 4:48 he turns the shield around because he knew someone was going to shoot him in the back Honestly if I saw this I would think he was invincible too
gladiator and 300 (as mentioned earlier), apocalypto, book of eli, mad max, kill bill1 and 2, sin city, man with the iron fists, ong bak, the protector 1 and 2, ip man trilogy....im not pertaining to literary/historical substance btw
@@ectyka Hahaha, that's why we can't have nice things. Have a character consistently used clearly repeatedly drilled and trained moves like a realistic martially trained person, and morons like you say "it's recycled". Have a character use dynamic and improvised moves like a romanticized hero, and the same morons (you) will certainly say it's all unrealistic dramatics.
@Karl with a K 😁😁😁😁😁😁🤷. Wtf? Internet? And you got yours from where, Wolfgang Peterson? Jesus what a deluded weird guy. And no, 500 million is absolutely nice result and definitely not a flop you moron.
there's no such thing as flaming arrows. a flame doesn't really respond all to well to....how can i put it. ever had a brithday cake? ah well, you can figure it ouf for yourself i guess
@@hazardeur You're browsing the internet and didn't bother doing some fact-checking before claiming such thing? If that wasn't some sorta sarcasm, then I suggest next time open another tab and fact-check, before making false comments 😅 Also, they weren't shooting birthday candles during those medieval times 😆
When Achilles fights in this movie, he seems more like an artist (of death) rather than a warrior. His movements are so beautiful and fluid almost like he's dancing on the battlefield. Romanticised war couldn't get any better.
If you look closely, the way he fights, is just his version of perfection. No wasted movement 4:47 he places his shield to his back not only to get faster climbing up but to block an incoming arrow. Another instance is 5:16 where he jumps of a palisade to not only kill from the flank of a shield bearer but to dodge the incoming spearmen behind him.
@@douglasbath976 Ikr? They don't really highlight it in this movie, given it's meant to be a more 'realistic' take... but, in the original myth, didn't Achilles basically have what amounted to an Invincibility cheat code? Anyone can be a badass when they got hax...
One thing I love about this scene is how it shows Ajax as being a man of raw strength however Achilles not only has strength but has raw skill that is unparalleled.
I have seen this scene like a million times and I never get tired of watching, it will never get old to me, it always feels like the first time I seen it.
for some reason i picture Ajax's boat not making it to shore when he decides to start rowing. He's like some super human and all he'd do is cause the ship to start pulling hard to the right, either smashing into another, or just circling out in the ocean untill he realises he's not helping
I don't think one paddle will move the entire thing while all the others are going at the same speed/consistent but what he did does seem pointless he should of saved his energy
:D Your comment made me picture that his superpower and motivating of his men would cause the ship to not only raw into the land but also pass through the Trojan walls front to rear lol.
They did Achilles character a great deal of Justice in this film. The arrogance and charisma of him works together perfectly. He brings 50 Myrmidons with him and must lose nearly half of them in this opening battle but they all go willingly, eager to grasp a little of their leader’s legend. Achilles is on this beach for himself and himself alone, more for whim then war. He’s the epitome the Greek hero. Magnificent and flawed. Capable of nobility and cruelty all at the same time. Defiant to kings and gods. Petulant and courageous. Brad Pitt Carrie’s that easy, almost annoyed cockiness with such skill and later, the volcanic anger when his ego is threatened. This beach battle is legendary but the dead men he leaves behind, who might’ve lived to see home otherwise, are a testament to the cost of Achilles greatness.
oddly enough that times standards hector was seen as the ideal warrior, leader and a good man while Aristotle refers to Homer's portrayal of Achilles as a character with bad traits who is still depicted as a good person. which is funny as it mirrors the american of gangsters, and greedy business men. all averice with nothing else. the way you romanticize his vanity, achilles is a tragic character because he is one dimensional, like a highschool jock who peaked senior year. he is a cautionary character.
I find it incredible that in the entire sequence no soldier has made a scratch on his armor. That's why he was so impressed when hector managed to do it
here's the mythology. he is the son of a goddess. when he was a baby his mother dipped him in the river Styx making him invulnerable... everywhere except where she held him... by his Achilles heel. and he is immortal, everyone still knows the legend of Achilles. you don't have to be alive, just remembered
Anyone else watch this periodically and feel it was pretty damn good for it's time? Even the sound effects. Listening to Achilles blade whistle as it finds targets is cool.
I really appreciate all the actors who gave their limbs and lives to make this battle scene so realistic. I only hope their families were handsomely compensated for their sacrifice.
Notice how in close, his character never pauses, never hesitates. His style smooth and fluid. Especially when outnumbered, he is always attacking, initiating, and forcing his opponents onto the defensive. This is how you imagine the world's greatest warrior would be.
I love how here 4:06 Ajax announces who he is, so that he might get some glory, while Achilles does not because everybody is already yelling his name!!!
Yeah! I think that’s a deleted scene, also like when king Agamemnon mentions how if he wins too many battles the men will start to forget who is king @ 2:48
It has been a while since I read up on this stuff so I may get something wrong or new evidence has been found since then, but to put it short and simple here's what I remember: Occurences like this were quite common because of a combination of personal glory, making your name known to the enemy - a great warrior was widely known and struck fear in the hearts of his enemies - and, a very important fact: To get attention from the gods. In the hellenic world, for them gods were pretty much real and visited the earth quite often. So when you were doing great deeds, like killing a well known hero, doing some suicidal charge or winning fights against all odds, it seems to have been a quite common thing to shout your name, maybe some deed you did in the past or right now, so the gods would look at you and acknowledge you.
You know Ajax is an ancient greek hero right? There's a reason why the soap cleaner is called Ajax strongest cleaner in all grease(greece) you're just dumb and dont know your ancient history.
Can't imagine anyone else playing Achilles. He WAS a larger than life character. The embodiment of the perfect soldier. A tragic figure not destined for happiness, driven by his hunger for glory and immortality. They found the city of Troy once thought to be mythical so perhaps Achilles was real as well.
Achilles was definitely real… Not some immortal god but a soldier who killed hundreds of men and was fortunate to have never been touched by a sword or spear hence the invincibility
@@rockwellrhodes7703 He does have a point tho, talented humans have existed troughout history, its possible that achilles was a real thing but exagerated
@@iansmith8944 Battles in the bronze age were mostly pushing and shoving which required a lot of strength but the choreographed fancy sword dancing wasn't a thing.
@@snowstorm1936 Doesn't matter how small they got the type of stuff seen in movies couldn't happen in an actual battle because they would be too tightly packed,there would be no room. I am talking about major battles not skirmishes.
I really like how he takes advantage of the enemies known tactics and attacks. He has practiced to battle against what was conventionally know in combat so he definitely excelled based on his knowledge and understanding of what works best against his attackers rather than going through it by brute force which is why he never bowed to a king. Achilles was fit to lead not be led
The ancient beaching tactic was to sail into the shore at an angle (anywhere from 30 to 80 degrees), using the hull itself as a wall to deflect incoming missiles while your own throwers/archers fired at the defenders. sailing straight into the shore with the bow of the ship aimed at the enemy is both reckless and impractical. leaves your unloading forces open to attack on both sides.
@@MugRuith For the early history of amphibious warfare, we have writings, plays, vases and the like all the way back to the egyptians fighting a bronze age "nation" only known as the "Sea People" because we literally don't know much about them except from few ancient egyptian sources. But apparently the egyptians fought them both on sea and on the shores. This was followed by the hellenic states who resorted to amphibous landings (leading to quite regular opposed assaults upon the shores) because a lot of cities were on islands or close to the sea - again, we know this due to plays and other expressions of art. The biggest, probably opposed, amphibious landing up until the battle of Gallipoli happened in 490BC at the battle of Marathon. Now if you want sources - Check out everything from "Herodotus of Halicarnassus", you'll find a lot of stuff in it, but I cannot tell you exactly every single verse mentioning the battle of Marathon. Caesar had an opposed landing when going for Britain too. For those sources, check out "Commentaries on the Gallic War" and "Commentaries on the Civil War" by Julius Caesar himself. For a lot of other sources, you have to search for the specific vases, plays, writings and other depictions of such occurences, there's tons of it. Sadly we lost a lot of hellenic writings and stuff over the centuries. Some recommendations are: "Amphibious Warfare in the Ancient World", James M. Tucci "History of the Peloponnesian War", Thucydides "The Anabasis of Alexander", Alexander A YT channel called Invicta made a video about amphibious landings too, if you want to check that out. He's pretty much using the same sources I just gave you. Maybe that's easier to start with than reading through tons of different texts.
@@reee_4067 Sure, but the fool was the first one on the beach. If he would have waited for other boats, they would have also drawn arrow fire, making it less likely that so many of his men would have died.
@@tinytownsoftware7989 More would have been killed if they attacked on all sides, if you had noticed Achilles and his men attacked on a lightly defended beach, taking over the beach landing with small casualties is a great success. You cant take over a beach head and expect no casualties.
If waited, more reinforcements could have gotten there in time aswell, they pushed straight to the temple which is recognized as holy ground to the Trojans which they fear spilling blood there in anger of the Gods. Smart move to get their footing on ground and a higher ground than the beach. Slow rowing boats should have given the Trojans more time to get there in the first place, as you could see them for miles away.
Telamonian Ajax and Menelaus led long happy lives after the war. In the duel between Ajax and Hector, Ajax had the upper hand. Red-haired Menelaus from the Iliad became White-haired Menelaus in the Odyssey (when Telemachus visits him) and lived with his wife, Helen. Paris was dead.
I think Ajax was a person that you could admire for his strength. He was worthy of respect in Achilles eyes and the fact that he fell at Hectors hands shows that despite him getting killed he was taken down by the 2nd strongest person in their known world which is the same respect to hector when he was killed by Achilles
After that speech at the beginning no one stopped to say, "Hey, ummm...Achillles? You're the only one here with impenetrable skin and armor made by the gods."
No ur wrong.... Achilles warriors are mermadians.... There is no death for them.... This fact is known by everyone one including Troy people, as told by Helen to king Priam
@@SuperAussie999 idiots only say other people as idiots without giving any justification..... All this is written Homer the poet of book illiad..... First learn to respect other opinion..... There is nothing wrong in saying others as wrong, better than calling idiots
This movie is Brad Pitt's career best of all time... Achilles! What a character! And how incredibly Brad fits for the role... His body language - Gosh! He's lived the character rather than just acting... 🔥🔥🔥
That look of Achilles to Ajax at 5:04 when he notices that Ajax entered the Battle. They were Cousins and they always competed, although the greatest glory always went to Achilles.
But there were 2 Ajax in the Trojan war; commonly called Big Ajax (or Ajax the Greater) and Little Ajax (or Ajax the Lesser), who was from Locris and was a great hero during the Trojan war and was mentioned several times. It's too bad he didn't make it into the film.
@@adrianfuegoscuro6308 Greek mythology, it's not real. What's real is the living God of Heaven, The God of Creation and His holy angels who do His biding. Gain true wisdom by reading the holy Bible, the Word of God. For it holds the power of life and death.
You can see quite a few of the moves he used against Hector later on, including the elbow to the face at the 4:50 mark and the final move he does here is also what he used against hector at the end of their fight, though with a spear instead of a sword.
the jump stab from when he kills that tall bald guy and prevents a battle is another example that shows up here. i never noticed it until now, it's a pretty great detail
@@ThomasThorr Yep, it's pretty much his signature kill move. And the fact that Hector manages to actually avoid it is the point Achilles realizes the battle will be tougher than he thought.
Yeah I noticed. The moment of fight between both of them is the best. I wish I can see longer n new skill from Achilles. Too bad hector doesn't have much energy and stamina as Achilles tht the reason the can't stand longer.
0:09 how abysmally cruel that nobody managed to tell that guy on the right that he's got his helmet on askew. Imagine him sitting with his friends and family, being all excited to show them his 2 seconds of screen time, and when it finally comes they're all like "Oh...you didn't put the helmet on straight, you look like a clown"
I agree with historians and battle tacticians that amphibious landings like this are great for movie drama not so much in historical accuracy. The Greeks would have landed a few miles away and just marched over land to Troy. They’d have taken the beach and could then beach their supply ships. Doing it this way caused more deaths then would have been acceptable.
@@Alan-wj5zc Immortality also favors intelligent people who live through the battles. Nobody remembers the names of any of the Greeks who died because they landed right in front of where the Trojans set up their defensive positions. Greeks took pride in being logical, rational thinkers.
Achilles is legit indestructable, he was by far the strongest warrior of that era due to his parents and his blessing, he legit needed divine intervention in order to get killed in the Iliad, his heel (Achile's heel) is literally the only part of his body that is vulnerable. In the movie he is seen dodging and being a perfect warrior but in the Iliad a sword would literally break if it came in contact with him and skills wise he was also insane just like he is in the movie.
They really perfected the part about him being immortal, but in a realistic way. At 4:48 as he puts the shield onto his back an arrow hits it, meaning if that shield wasn't there he gets an arrow in his back. It was just a great way to show his legend without making it too unrealistic.
Whenever I imagine Achilles, it’s Brad and can’t find anyone doing that better. One of finest movies made where the rise and fall are show at its best in such a short length. I also remember the dialogue that women has its way of complicating things.
Then: Myrmidons, immortality and eternal glory is waiting on you in that beach ! One year later: Anyone remember just a one name of those brave Myrmidons died on that beach ???
Menesthius, Eudorus, Peisander, Phoenix and Alcimedon. To my knowledge, the only five known Myrmidons. Known, because they were his generals. 50 Ships, with 50 men on each. Phoenix was actually Achilles' tutor and, ehh, most of the least unknowns? Lol. He's also the one who tries to persuade Achilles to rejoin the war after he withdrew in anger. Menesthius was killed by Paris. Alcimedon served under Patroclus. Other two idk anything about lol.
The screenplay was disappointing in many respects, but Brad Pitt nailed his role and so did Eric Bana, along with the other actors. The choreography in this scene and in the duel is spectacular, and Wolfgang Petersen delivered an aesthetically beautiful movie. The soundtracks were both great, although the theatrical was more dramatic and memorable.
Roel Konijnendijk, an Ancient Warfare Expert said this scene was not real in ancient warfare. Back then, people land on a suitable beach and march towards their targets. Honestly, back then, what kind of land weaponaries that had enough of firepower and accuracy to damage the enemy fleet?
i sweat my love's blood over governance meetings and corporate reports in the ease of my home office. How i wish I could share the reality of these men in their blood and tears. I wish I were one of those men...
Troy Commander: "Here, put on this armor for battle." Troy Soldier: "This is going to protect me, right?" Troy Commander: "Absolutely. Never had anyone complain yet."
I remember a critic saying when the movie came out that the Trojans probably needed to do an armour redesign to cope with Achilles's signature flying stab move
4:07 Why did I not remember this happened? This scene with Ajax was amazing. Imagine standing across from him on the battlefield after watching this giant man bludgeon half a dozen men and he shouts that, looking at you. Terrifying.
You gotta admire those archers. The largest fleet ever assembled in history is about to land on their shores and instead of fleeing back to the safety of Troy’s walls, they stay to make sure the Greeks get their welcome gift
If only Achilles had a fraction of Hector’s integrity, duty, empathy, and practicality. Hector was a general you wanted to follow. My favorite line of the movie was the “if killing is your only talent” line.
Imagine you’re running up the hill panting and your heart already thumping as loud it can when you reach the top and suddenly there’s an army waiting for you
One thing I absolutely love about this movie is how well it portrayed warfare in the ancient era without skimping on cinematic moments. In terms of the tactics used, the motivations of the warriors, the suspicions of the leaders, and the conduct of the soldiers, both in a battle, and at the conclusion of one, and most of all what the end of a war looked like with the brutal sacking of Troy. Even stuff like presenting the war as is, without taking sides, no vilification of either side. Rather showing fighting men act as they would have in such a situation. A big thing I really enjoy is that as an invading army, the Greeks are shown to be motivated by the prospect of plunder and glory. While the Trojans, as a defending force, are motivated by a desire to preserve their property, their independence and their families. Its stuff that's shown for example by Achilles designating the Temple of Apollo as the main objective for the Myrmidons. Not just because its a logical strongpoint on the beach which gives the Myrmidons a good view of the battle and a position from which to hold off any Trojan counterattacks, but also because its filled with valuable offerings to plunder and priestesses to enslave. Brutal that it is, it makes sense.
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Yes because he's God
@@jakemars2601 en español
Hes not a god. He was blessed by the gods in a pool of immortality but held by his heel thats why it's weak
@@alucardmyers8951 he's a demigod in the Iliad. His mother is a sea nymph, which is a minor water goddess.
@@seandlax9 ino this but still not a god
When you're at max level and you have all the best end-game equipment, but you decide to replay the campaign.
New game plus?
Sometimes one playthrough just isn't enough~ 😏
easily my favorite comment ive read in awhile
I'm Achilles every time I play Assassin creed Oddessy... literaally only bought that game when it came out for that reason lol.
This is like that one master gamer who beats everything
4:44 is my favorite sequence. It gives the illusion that Achilles is completely invincible with his fluid movement, easy evasion of swings, and the perfect timing of the shield placement as the arrow hits it the moment he puts it on his back. He cuts through soldiers like ants and it shows how easily he dispatches them. It also ends with his signature finisher which is through the shoulder into the heart lunge. The choreography for this movie was just spectacular. They maintained his fighting style throughout the whole movie from start to finish.
Yeah, he fucked dem niggaz up!!!
Considering the myrmidons are ants turned men according to mythology, if I remember correctly, it might be better to use a different analogy for the way he cuts through the trojans there lol
well according to mythology he is invincible. his mother a goddess, dipped him in the river Styx when he was a baby making invulnerable. everywhere but where she held him, by his Achilles heel
Its like Achilles has clairvoyance like how 4:48 he turns the shield around because he knew someone was going to shoot him in the back
Honestly if I saw this I would think he was invincible too
I will forever hope that people see this detail. I fear most miss it.
This movie was a masterpiece. Wish there were more like it.
yup, definitely. I would say it's in the same category as Gladiator and 300.
A shame we didn't get Odysseus' journey back as a possible sequel. A rare movie where Sean Bean doesn't die.
@@Shadi092986 There was definitely a lot of potential there. Would have been a great movie.
Hahahaha
gladiator and 300 (as mentioned earlier), apocalypto, book of eli, mad max, kill bill1 and 2, sin city, man with the iron fists, ong bak, the protector 1 and 2, ip man trilogy....im not pertaining to literary/historical substance btw
I love how consistent Achilles' fighting style is throughout the movie. Everything he does in this scene he also uses against Hector later.
But Hector is much better and it's almost useless.
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@@doofkos the operative word is "almost"
Yeah just recycle the moves throughout the movie lol
@@ectyka Hahaha, that's why we can't have nice things. Have a character consistently used clearly repeatedly drilled and trained moves like a realistic martially trained person, and morons like you say "it's recycled". Have a character use dynamic and improvised moves like a romanticized hero, and the same morons (you) will certainly say it's all unrealistic dramatics.
Imagine training for years of your life to fight alongside Achilles only to get shot by an arrow before even landing on the beach
Thats the true brutallity of battles, the same happend with soldiers on D day
@@pedrocpontes8961 Fair point yeah, all of that just to be the unlucky guy to get put at the front of the landing craft
Insert overused Skyrim joke (here).
@@EazyE11 I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee.
@@EazyE11 I also used to be an adventurer like you…. Then I took an arrow in the knee.
Brad has never been more phenomenal. He was born for this role.
@Karl with a K He was absolutley perfect and movie did pretty good, not great but good.
@Karl with a K Movie budget was 150 million and it earned 500 million, and add there DVD and television rigths too.
@Karl with a K 😁😁😁😁😁😁🤷. Wtf? Internet? And you got yours from where, Wolfgang Peterson? Jesus what a deluded weird guy.
And no, 500 million is absolutely nice result and definitely not a flop you moron.
@Karl with a K Also, did you just liked your own post? Talking about pathetic.
@Karl with a K Took his paycheque and ran? Ran where? What you talking about dude? You want him selling snacks in the cinema? 🤡
It’s nice of them to use flaming arrows so the wound doesn’t get infected. How thoughtful!
😂😂😂😂😂 A sterile death
wanna try one ?good for the health
Its to cauterized the wound too.. cant just let your victim bled to death as the war ensue
there's no such thing as flaming arrows. a flame doesn't really respond all to well to....how can i put it. ever had a brithday cake?
ah well, you can figure it ouf for yourself i guess
@@hazardeur You're browsing the internet and didn't bother doing some fact-checking before claiming such thing? If that wasn't some sorta sarcasm, then I suggest next time open another tab and fact-check, before making false comments 😅
Also, they weren't shooting birthday candles during those medieval times 😆
When Achilles fights in this movie, he seems more like an artist (of death) rather than a warrior. His movements are so beautiful and fluid almost like he's dancing on the battlefield. Romanticised war couldn't get any better.
If you look closely, the way he fights, is just his version of perfection. No wasted movement 4:47 he places his shield to his back not only to get faster climbing up but to block an incoming arrow. Another instance is 5:16 where he jumps of a palisade to not only kill from the flank of a shield bearer but to dodge the incoming spearmen behind him.
Agreed.
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That’s what truly great martial artists look like. Dancers. Think of Mohamed Ali or Anderson Silva.
“Beyond that beach is immortality”
Man who dies getting off boat: “am I some kind of joke to you?”
He did say it was beyond that beach
@@mat7083 yes lol
@@mat7083 and he had said "take it" so, eh, shit happens
Easy to say when your skin is armor.
@@douglasbath976 Ikr? They don't really highlight it in this movie, given it's meant to be a more 'realistic' take... but, in the original myth, didn't Achilles basically have what amounted to an Invincibility cheat code? Anyone can be a badass when they got hax...
One thing I love about this scene is how it shows Ajax as being a man of raw strength however Achilles not only has strength but has raw skill that is unparalleled.
I have seen this scene like a million times and I never get tired of watching, it will never get old to me, it always feels like the first time I seen it.
for some reason i picture Ajax's boat not making it to shore when he decides to start rowing. He's like some super human and all he'd do is cause the ship to start pulling hard to the right, either smashing into another, or just circling out in the ocean untill he realises he's not helping
I don't think one paddle will move the entire thing while all the others are going at the same speed/consistent but what he did does seem pointless he should of saved his energy
:D Your comment made me picture that his superpower and motivating of his men would cause the ship to not only raw into the land but also pass through the Trojan walls front to rear lol.
@@antoniosvidakis all I can picture is him accidentally snapping the paddle cause he's rowing too hard, then going into a pit of rage
Where was Ajax the Great when the Giant Boagrius threatened the Greeks?
Ajax is Achilles's cousin there fathers are brothers.
"IMMORTALITY! TAKE IT! IT'S YOURS!" This line will always resonate on a thousand generations
Well, so long as you have plot armor, at least...
@@PeteTheGrouch actually he was talking to the boats
yes... but only in arabic letters.
Why did he turn his sword after..?
I always thought it was the corniest line of the movie, maybe just the delivery.
They did Achilles character a great deal of Justice in this film. The arrogance and charisma of him works together perfectly. He brings 50 Myrmidons with him and must lose nearly half of them in this opening battle but they all go willingly, eager to grasp a little of their leader’s legend. Achilles is on this beach for himself and himself alone, more for whim then war.
He’s the epitome the Greek hero. Magnificent and flawed. Capable of nobility and cruelty all at the same time. Defiant to kings and gods. Petulant and courageous. Brad Pitt Carrie’s that easy, almost annoyed cockiness with such skill and later, the volcanic anger when his ego is threatened.
This beach battle is legendary but the dead men he leaves behind, who might’ve lived to see home otherwise, are a testament to the cost of Achilles greatness.
Shame the movie left out Achilles slaughtering men excessively in the dry river bed after patroclus was killed
oddly enough that times standards hector was seen as the ideal warrior, leader and a good man while Aristotle refers to Homer's portrayal of Achilles as a character with bad traits who is still depicted as a good person. which is funny as it mirrors the american of gangsters, and greedy business men. all averice with nothing else. the way you romanticize his vanity, achilles is a tragic character because he is one dimensional, like a highschool jock who peaked senior year. he is a cautionary character.
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I find it incredible that in the entire sequence no soldier has made a scratch on his armor. That's why he was so impressed when hector managed to do it
Good eye!
He also realized he is not immortal, and can be touched.
here's the mythology. he is the son of a goddess. when he was a baby his mother dipped him in the river Styx making him invulnerable... everywhere except where she held him... by his Achilles heel. and he is immortal, everyone still knows the legend of Achilles. you don't have to be alive, just remembered
@@vonn4017 Except the movie makes it clear that Achilles is not a demigod, he's just a man who happens to be the best warrior on the planet.
well too bad thats NOT the mythology
I was promised immortality but I got a flaming arrow to my face.
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not really. Achilles and his army's story is still alive after thousands of years.
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Could have been worse. Could have been an arrow to the knee…
@@HM2SGT how? They all lived.
Anyone else watch this periodically and feel it was pretty damn good for it's time?
Even the sound effects. Listening to Achilles blade whistle as it finds targets is cool.
I watched it with my grandma back around 2000. It was so memorable and cool. RIP grandma.
For its time? It still stands today
What do you mean "for it's time" it's still a good movie and i can honestly say it's better than a lot of modern movies with it's progressivism.
I really appreciate all the actors who gave their limbs and lives to make this battle scene so realistic. I only hope their families were handsomely compensated for their sacrifice.
Did anyone died?
No one died bro...lol...are u seriously thinking this is real??😁😁😁😁😁
@@benedictejemah8537 yes thousands died for this scene
Notice how in close, his character never pauses, never hesitates. His style smooth and fluid. Especially when outnumbered, he is always attacking, initiating, and forcing his opponents onto the defensive. This is how you imagine the world's greatest warrior would be.
I love how here 4:06 Ajax announces who he is, so that he might get some glory, while Achilles does not because everybody is already yelling his name!!!
Yeah! I think that’s a deleted scene, also like when king Agamemnon mentions how if he wins too many battles the men will start to forget who is king @ 2:48
It was a quote ripped off (though slightly changed) of a far greater man: Ozymandias
It has been a while since I read up on this stuff so I may get something wrong or new evidence has been found since then, but to put it short and simple here's what I remember: Occurences like this were quite common because of a combination of personal glory, making your name known to the enemy - a great warrior was widely known and struck fear in the hearts of his enemies - and, a very important fact: To get attention from the gods. In the hellenic world, for them gods were pretty much real and visited the earth quite often. So when you were doing great deeds, like killing a well known hero, doing some suicidal charge or winning fights against all odds, it seems to have been a quite common thing to shout your name, maybe some deed you did in the past or right now, so the gods would look at you and acknowledge you.
You know Ajax is an ancient greek hero right? There's a reason why the soap cleaner is called Ajax strongest cleaner in all grease(greece) you're just dumb and dont know your ancient history.
Ajax was soooo pissed 😤.
He started killing out of anger at Achilles. Many wanted to peice of Achilles...no one wanted to fight Ajax.
"the bodies he buried that day laid the foundation of what we are today'' fits perfectly here
John Wickilles
Except Troy most likely does not exist, there has been no archeological evidence of such city.
Lit🔥🔥🔥
Good one
John Achilles
Can't imagine anyone else playing Achilles. He WAS a larger than life character. The embodiment of the perfect soldier. A tragic figure not destined for happiness, driven by his hunger for glory and immortality. They found the city of Troy once thought to be mythical so perhaps Achilles was real as well.
Achilles was definitely real…
Not some immortal god but a soldier who killed hundreds of men and was fortunate to have never been touched by a sword or spear hence the invincibility
@@rockwellrhodes7703 He does have a point tho, talented humans have existed troughout history, its possible that achilles was a real thing but exagerated
Brad Pitt’s portrayal of Achilles is one for the history books 👏🏾🔥
fake history you stupid people belive 😂
Shoulda included a few more seconds to get Achilles’ spear cast.
Yeah! He @$#&ed that guy up with that spear throw!
An impossible throw, as Hector said. Good form throwing it!
Thats insane. Hed be in olympics achilles is banned. For his spear throw faster than fish spear gun haha
Seriously thought wtf best part
Also the part where he’s looking into the ocean all the ships men chanting his name and he raises his sword,that was legendary
The athleticism required to do combat this way is insane
This is why they did not fight like this in the bronze age.
@@rankoorovic7904 it was still extremely physical. Just standing in a shield wall pushing against the enemy’s shields for hours until one broke.
@@iansmith8944 Battles in the bronze age were mostly pushing and shoving which required a lot of strength but the choreographed fancy sword dancing wasn't a thing.
@@rankoorovic7904 It depends. Swords are getting smaller and smaller through time in the Late Bronze Age. Compare Type A sword to the Naue II type.
@@snowstorm1936 Doesn't matter how small they got the type of stuff seen in movies couldn't happen in an actual battle because they would be too tightly packed,there would be no room.
I am talking about major battles not skirmishes.
When you are 30 and feeling already old then you realise Brad Pitt was 39 years when he played Achilles!
😂😂😂😂
I really like how he takes advantage of the enemies known tactics and attacks.
He has practiced to battle against what was conventionally know in combat so he definitely excelled based on his knowledge and understanding of what works best against his attackers rather than going through it by brute force which is why he never bowed to a king.
Achilles was fit to lead not be led
The Director’s Cut of Troy was amazing!!!
Exactly.. Director's cut of Troy is gold. Only bad thing is music.. Its better in the theatre's cut.
Kingdom of heaven is gold in cut too
The surround sound is amazing in this scene. Especially the arrows.
His sequence up the steps is insane when he flips his shield round to block the arrow about to hit his back was too epic...
Absolutely !
"I'll rather fight beside you than any army of thousands".
Beautiful choreography with a massive cardio work
The ancient beaching tactic was to sail into the shore at an angle (anywhere from 30 to 80 degrees), using the hull itself as a wall to deflect incoming missiles while your own throwers/archers fired at the defenders. sailing straight into the shore with the bow of the ship aimed at the enemy is both reckless and impractical. leaves your unloading forces open to attack on both sides.
Kind of like the Omaha Beach landing tactic :)
Exactly how many opposed landings were made in antiquity?
Yeah, they were too focused on WWII Higgins Boat imagery.
Any source for that?
@@MugRuith For the early history of amphibious warfare, we have writings, plays, vases and the like all the way back to the egyptians fighting a bronze age "nation" only known as the "Sea People" because we literally don't know much about them except from few ancient egyptian sources. But apparently the egyptians fought them both on sea and on the shores. This was followed by the hellenic states who resorted to amphibous landings (leading to quite regular opposed assaults upon the shores) because a lot of cities were on islands or close to the sea - again, we know this due to plays and other expressions of art. The biggest, probably opposed, amphibious landing up until the battle of Gallipoli happened in 490BC at the battle of Marathon. Now if you want sources - Check out everything from "Herodotus of Halicarnassus", you'll find a lot of stuff in it, but I cannot tell you exactly every single verse mentioning the battle of Marathon. Caesar had an opposed landing when going for Britain too. For those sources, check out "Commentaries on the Gallic War" and "Commentaries on the Civil War" by Julius Caesar himself.
For a lot of other sources, you have to search for the specific vases, plays, writings and other depictions of such occurences, there's tons of it. Sadly we lost a lot of hellenic writings and stuff over the centuries.
Some recommendations are:
"Amphibious Warfare in the Ancient World", James M. Tucci
"History of the Peloponnesian War", Thucydides
"The Anabasis of Alexander", Alexander
A YT channel called Invicta made a video about amphibious landings too, if you want to check that out. He's pretty much using the same sources I just gave you. Maybe that's easier to start with than reading through tons of different texts.
Achilles: Gonna unnecessarily lose 100 men by storming the beach so I can get more glory.
Myrmidons: YES!
it is bullshit dude
Either way someone needs to break the beach head, and many will die.
@@reee_4067 Sure, but the fool was the first one on the beach. If he would have waited for other boats, they would have also drawn arrow fire, making it less likely that so many of his men would have died.
@@tinytownsoftware7989 More would have been killed if they attacked on all sides, if you had noticed Achilles and his men attacked on a lightly defended beach, taking over the beach landing with small casualties is a great success. You cant take over a beach head and expect no casualties.
If waited, more reinforcements could have gotten there in time aswell, they pushed straight to the temple which is recognized as holy ground to the Trojans which they fear spilling blood there in anger of the Gods. Smart move to get their footing on ground and a higher ground than the beach. Slow rowing boats should have given the Trojans more time to get there in the first place, as you could see them for miles away.
“Immortality”: in other words, Homer is going to tell our story and the world will never forget it.
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they made Ajax look like a negative and evil guy, even though he is a great Hero like Achilles, Hercules and others...
Telamonian Ajax and Menelaus led long happy lives after the war.
In the duel between Ajax and Hector, Ajax had the upper hand.
Red-haired Menelaus from the Iliad became White-haired Menelaus in the Odyssey (when Telemachus visits him) and lived with his wife, Helen.
Paris was dead.
Yea almost like its an adaptation
lmfao
I think Ajax was a person that you could admire for his strength. He was worthy of respect in Achilles eyes and the fact that he fell at Hectors hands shows that despite him getting killed he was taken down by the 2nd strongest person in their known world which is the same respect to hector when he was killed by Achilles
@@Numerial0.0 in illiad ajax never died to hector
After that speech at the beginning no one stopped to say, "Hey, ummm...Achillles? You're the only one here with impenetrable skin and armor made by the gods."
No ur wrong.... Achilles warriors are mermadians.... There is no death for them.... This fact is known by everyone one including Troy people, as told by Helen to king Priam
@@call_of_duty1327 actually, you're the one who's wrong. Idiot lol
@@call_of_duty1327 Myrmidons. At any rate, in this version, strangely, the flag and herald are Spartan.
@@SuperAussie999 idiots only say other people as idiots without giving any justification..... All this is written Homer the poet of book illiad..... First learn to respect other opinion..... There is nothing wrong in saying others as wrong, better than calling idiots
@@uni4rm yeah your right.... They are immortal...... Anyway this movie is nit exact copy if book illiad
This movie is Brad Pitt's career best of all time... Achilles! What a character! And how incredibly Brad fits for the role... His body language - Gosh! He's lived the character rather than just acting... 🔥🔥🔥
Between this and Fight Club.
Lmao Ajax going in
still boggles my mind that Brad was 39/40 at that point of time
just turned 40 guess its time to take a beach ⛱️
Bro he was mad handsome 😳
I thought he was like 25 bro
No homo
@@emmanuelthwala2809 Brad Pitt here and Gerard Butler in 300 are acceptable man crushes.
@@nahor88 quite acceptable indeed 🤝🏾
You sir, I think you and I could be friends 😂😂🤝🏾
@@nahor88 It's gay not gay when it comes to Brad Pitt, Gerard Butler and Henry Cavill. They're just really good looking.
That look of Achilles to Ajax at 5:04 when he notices that Ajax entered the Battle. They were Cousins and they always competed, although the greatest glory always went to Achilles.
Ajax was a huge and strong guy. Like he said. He is a "stone breaker" :D No wonder he won so many battles :D
But there were 2 Ajax in the Trojan war; commonly called Big Ajax (or Ajax the Greater) and Little Ajax (or Ajax the Lesser), who was from Locris and was a great hero during the Trojan war and was mentioned several times. It's too bad he didn't make it into the film.
achilles and ajax are cousins?
@@tunakocoglu8025 Aye! their were cousis by their Fathers line.
ZEUS > Eaco > Telamon, Peleus.
Telamon > Ajax.
Peleus > Achilles.
Achilles > Neoptolemus ( Pyrrhus ) > Molossos.
@@adrianfuegoscuro6308 Greek mythology, it's not real. What's real is the living God of Heaven, The God of Creation and His holy angels who do His biding. Gain true wisdom by reading the holy Bible, the Word of God. For it holds the power of life and death.
Every real man dreams for such glory.
Give him to many battles and the men will forget who's king......powerful line
This movie is the one that made me fall in love with Sword and Shield combat. I started practicing it in HEMA as soon as I discovered the sport.
You can see quite a few of the moves he used against Hector later on, including the elbow to the face at the 4:50 mark and the final move he does here is also what he used against hector at the end of their fight, though with a spear instead of a sword.
the jump stab from when he kills that tall bald guy and prevents a battle is another example that shows up here. i never noticed it until now, it's a pretty great detail
@@ThomasThorr Yep, it's pretty much his signature kill move. And the fact that Hector manages to actually avoid it is the point Achilles realizes the battle will be tougher than he thought.
Yeah I noticed. The moment of fight between both of them is the best. I wish I can see longer n new skill from Achilles. Too bad hector doesn't have much energy and stamina as Achilles tht the reason the can't stand longer.
0:09 how abysmally cruel that nobody managed to tell that guy on the right that he's got his helmet on askew. Imagine him sitting with his friends and family, being all excited to show them his 2 seconds of screen time, and when it finally comes they're all like "Oh...you didn't put the helmet on straight, you look like a clown"
The movie has so many badass one-liners
Y O U S A C K O F W I N E ! ! !
I agree with historians and battle tacticians that amphibious landings like this are great for movie drama not so much in historical accuracy. The Greeks would have landed a few miles away and just marched over land to Troy. They’d have taken the beach and could then beach their supply ships. Doing it this way caused more deaths then would have been acceptable.
yes but that isn't how you get immortality
@@Alan-wj5zc Immortality also favors intelligent people who live through the battles. Nobody remembers the names of any of the Greeks who died because they landed right in front of where the Trojans set up their defensive positions. Greeks took pride in being logical, rational thinkers.
@@TonyPerez816 yeah but you can't forget about the bofa
Well ww2 proves that this kind of assault happens
@@essexginge9167 yeah because it was lead by retards
Man Achilles had his God mode activated the dude didn't receive a single injury in this clip.
Achilles is legit indestructable, he was by far the strongest warrior of that era due to his parents and his blessing, he legit needed divine intervention in order to get killed in the Iliad, his heel (Achile's heel) is literally the only part of his body that is vulnerable. In the movie he is seen dodging and being a perfect warrior but in the Iliad a sword would literally break if it came in contact with him and skills wise he was also insane just like he is in the movie.
Achilles is a demigod, so… lol
that's kinda his thing lol well except for his heel
You know all this is just contrived right? Lol
@@SSJavenger So, in other words, he was basically using legit hax? Gee, some 'hero'...
They really perfected the part about him being immortal, but in a realistic way.
At 4:48 as he puts the shield onto his back an arrow hits it, meaning if that shield wasn't there he gets an arrow in his back. It was just a great way to show his legend without making it too unrealistic.
Love this movie❤️❤️
Whenever I imagine Achilles, it’s Brad and can’t find anyone doing that better. One of finest movies made where the rise and fall are show at its best in such a short length. I also remember the dialogue that women has its way of complicating things.
"Give him the battle he will take the war" that is an understatement
*WE will take the war".
Im always awed by the way these epic battle scenes are choreographed, carried out, ans filmed. No idea how they do it...
Great leader put yourself into battle will no doubt be loved by his followers. 👌🙏
Then: Myrmidons, immortality and eternal glory is waiting on you in that beach !
One year later: Anyone remember just a one name of those brave Myrmidons died on that beach ???
Well... you actually.
Myrmidons is the the only name he was referring to!
It's like that in most any war
Why my Friend will always be remembered by those of us who knew him . .
Long like Johnathan Kephart!
@@coppertopv365 truth be told , there were actual named Myrmidons in the Illiad...so , I guess they were immortalized....
@@phantasosxgames8488 neat to know
Menesthius, Eudorus, Peisander, Phoenix and Alcimedon.
To my knowledge, the only five known Myrmidons. Known, because they were his generals. 50 Ships, with 50 men on each.
Phoenix was actually Achilles' tutor and, ehh, most of the least unknowns? Lol. He's also the one who tries to persuade Achilles to rejoin the war after he withdrew in anger.
Menesthius was killed by Paris. Alcimedon served under Patroclus. Other two idk anything about lol.
I think this was brad pitts best role at the time, what a killing machine.
One of my most fav movies of all time. Gave me goosebumps Everytime I've watched it.
The screenplay was disappointing in many respects, but Brad Pitt nailed his role and so did Eric Bana, along with the other actors. The choreography in this scene and in the duel is spectacular, and Wolfgang Petersen delivered an aesthetically beautiful movie. The soundtracks were both great, although the theatrical was more dramatic and memorable.
“I am Ajax. The cheaper laundry detergent you buy when you can’t afford Tide. Look upon me and despair!”
Definitely one of my top 3 favorite movies of all time
What a movie still feel the same new.
D-Day Illaid version
Roel Konijnendijk, an Ancient Warfare Expert said this scene was not real in ancient warfare. Back then, people land on a suitable beach and march towards their targets. Honestly, back then, what kind of land weaponaries that had enough of firepower and accuracy to damage the enemy fleet?
I like how they gave the trojans rectangular shields to represent Aeneas.
I love this movie
i sweat my love's blood over governance meetings and corporate reports in the ease of my home office.
How i wish I could share the reality of these men in their blood and tears.
I wish I were one of those men...
Troy Commander: "Here, put on this armor for battle."
Troy Soldier: "This is going to protect me, right?"
Troy Commander: "Absolutely. Never had anyone complain yet."
To be fair, they mostly strike where there is no armor in this battle.
To be even more fair, they probably didn't even survive to complain so the commander isn't wrong
I remember a critic saying when the movie came out that the Trojans probably needed to do an armour redesign to cope with Achilles's signature flying stab move
@@dzonbrodi514 too bad they never got to
A stellar film crew and musicians can create magic.
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4:07 Why did I not remember this happened? This scene with Ajax was amazing. Imagine standing across from him on the battlefield after watching this giant man bludgeon half a dozen men and he shouts that, looking at you. Terrifying.
I think it was a scene cut from regular releases because I've never seen it til today.
You gotta admire those archers. The largest fleet ever assembled in history is about to land on their shores and instead of fleeing back to the safety of Troy’s walls, they stay to make sure the Greeks get their welcome gift
They even rolled down there in glittery evening wear
And all they died just for Parris to be able to smash Helena.. what a heroes )
If only Achilles had a fraction of Hector’s integrity, duty, empathy, and practicality. Hector was a general you wanted to follow. My favorite line of the movie was the “if killing is your only talent” line.
Achilles was coming around to a more mature point of view but fate caught up to him first.
Bloody balls of steel. Every one of them to the man. No other way to describe that.
This movie was really good, can really appreciate a film like this.
Doesn't hurt it's sharing my name lol
If this movie was made in 2021 the guy with the hammer will be a woman with short hair.
😂😂😂
XD XD
Ajax
you forgot black skin
@@mykellederickpalad7883 and short, heavy. and purple/green hair. Don't want any of the snowflakes to feel excluded.
Immortalitytake it,it's yours! Maybe the best motivational sentence ever spoken...
No phones in sight just men enjoying the moment
Soo well done, the choreography my god its amazing! =D
Imagine you’re running up the hill panting and your heart already thumping as loud it can when you reach the top and suddenly there’s an army waiting for you
One thing I absolutely love about this movie is how well it portrayed warfare in the ancient era without skimping on cinematic moments.
In terms of the tactics used, the motivations of the warriors, the suspicions of the leaders, and the conduct of the soldiers, both in a battle, and at the conclusion of one, and most of all what the end of a war looked like with the brutal sacking of Troy. Even stuff like presenting the war as is, without taking sides, no vilification of either side. Rather showing fighting men act as they would have in such a situation.
A big thing I really enjoy is that as an invading army, the Greeks are shown to be motivated by the prospect of plunder and glory. While the Trojans, as a defending force, are motivated by a desire to preserve their property, their independence and their families. Its stuff that's shown for example by Achilles designating the Temple of Apollo as the main objective for the Myrmidons. Not just because its a logical strongpoint on the beach which gives the Myrmidons a good view of the battle and a position from which to hold off any Trojan counterattacks, but also because its filled with valuable offerings to plunder and priestesses to enslave. Brutal that it is, it makes sense.
"Look upon me and despair!" What several of my first dates uttered after about 15 minutes.
Achilles: like graceful wings of death, effortlessly gliding on the battlefield with precise strikes
Ajax: ARRRRRG HAMMER GO BONK
Lmfao
"It's over Achilles, they have the high ground"
Awesome.wacthing so many times...good fight real Hero...
I love that they showed this movie to us in freshman year of high school...
Damn! Director's cut version is even more bloody and violent than the theatrical version.
I had no idea this version existed. Time to go find it.
Yeah, that spear to the eye is hardcore as fuck
💢My Epic Movie of all time 😊
only Greece had and has the bravest warriors in the world and I am proud to be Greek....Achilles 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Beyond that beach Immortality. Take it.. it's yours...
5:28 Just noticed years after. The same move that he used to kill Hector.
Every move what Achilles did was deadly.
When I was young this is exactly how I used to fight ! Like one of those soldiers from the boats cheering Achiles Achiles Achiles :)
One of best movie in history 👌
"The man wants to die!" What a great quote!
I always feel bad for the men who die even before landing or getting to fight the enemies.
In a real battle they would stay behind their shields.
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The Cinematography is awesome. Achilles looks so smooth and fluid.
Ajax : Greek is dying
me : ummm achilles is slaughtering troy over there
Ajax said "greeks are dying" and he meant the mirmidons of Achilles
Homer doesn't use the word Greeks. It's always Achaens, Argives or Danaans. So, maybe the concept of "Greece" didn't exist in those times.