@@thebookpotato310 But the "slight" problem with this gentleman is that he teaches thousands and thousands of people all over the world! He has a very high position with very, very great responsibility, towards many brothers and sisters..... I can't understand what is happening in all these churches but I am frightened. Be blessed !
My son was dismissed from the military because of PTSD. MacArthur is so INSULATED from real work with real people by his "velvet rope" that he could not recognize a real mental illness if he saw it. MacArthur has come to be a relic as full of false ideas as Joe Biden.
It is easier just to trust Dr. MacArthur and not bother with your mind. After all, his theological training gives him the ability to answer any question.
John MacArthur: There’s no such thing as PTSD. Tell that to someone who served in the military during a war with bullets flying over their head! Tell that to someone who lived with abusive parents! Tell that to somebody who has been raped!
Hospital Chaplain here… It only takes seeing someone dissociate to a near catatonic state one time to realize how real PTSD is and how severe it can be.
Thank you..I white knuckled it until I lost everything and was tested at 52.. my diagnosis mirrors that of a Nam vet taken POW....My biological father and sister were both narcissistic Sociopaths and I couldn't get away...I never turned them in as I have Stockholm syndrome and PTSD...that's just the beginning...I had someone who knew my diagnosis send me MacArthurs abusive balony...it's like pushing someone out of a wheelchair... MacArthur never had someone strip him naked for beatings
This was infuriating to watch. My wife has MS which physically changes the brain chemistry resulting in depression and anxiety. She is also ADD, and this almost destroyed our marriage before it was diagnosed. Once we realized her brain processed stimuli and information differently we were able to make changes to how we communicated. Now we celebrate our differences and take advantage of our unique strengths. JMac's perspective would have left us in despair and exhausted, and most likely divorced. I am grateful to God for supplying the Christian psychologists that helped us navigate these challenges. My counselor showed me the heart of God more than any sermon.
So MacArthur, a non-combat vet, is going to talk to me (combat vet) about combat grief... And that it's the same for everyone, grief is grief. No... Combat grief, loss, and survival guilt is different... This is dangerous thinking.
I’ve outgrown him in the past year and a half. I just couldn’t take the idolatry from his fans anymore. It’s like he couldn’t do no wrong in the eyes of some of his fans. This is a slap in the face to everyone who has trauma, ptsd, adhd, depression etc..
What a Hypocrite. There was no grace for Eileen Grey's children. There was no grace for Wendy Guay as a child. This is a great way to cover your tracks , write a book that those who idolise you will purchase, merchandise your fan base. Jude has some things to say about that.
PTSD non war verteran here. I was genuinely torn between laughing my behind off and going into a complete rage when I saw this clip. Thanks for covering this Dean 💛
What this man is saying is really bad! So according to him, war veterans, victims of torture, victims of abuses of any kind, people who have gone through a difficult childhood do not suffer from ptsd, it's just a way to make them take medication? it's just "grief", or are they weak? I mean the psychological impact trauma has on someone??!!!! This is typical of someone who is an abuser himself: just get over it!!
@fatalerror-dz2qy thou shall not kill in context, was talking about murder, not defending your nation against evil or evil ones against another, if that where the case how do you explain the children of Israel having an army and many times God blessed them in battle? Secondly, by your logic, no nation would ever have an army to defend itself, so if the Nazi party or people like Hitler rise up, no nation would have an army to defend against that right? So let the enemy come in and kill everyone and take over correct? That’s silly! Because evil is in this world there will always be bad people doing bad things in this world, so we need a Military to defend against it, that’s wisdom. Also, in that line of thinking, Christians can’t go to war but only the pagans can? So as long as unsaved people die but Christian’s don’t it’s ok? How selfish and unloving! There’s many holes in your logic. Lastly, even if what you say is true, and it’s not, but for the sake of argument, let’s say it is, you basically said, to heck with your suffering of whatever your going through, you get what you get so you deserve this! Wow, so how does that minister to people who are struggling? How does that minister to where they are and help them recover? So, I’ll make sure to not send people your way, thanks, blessings and I’ll pray for more of a loving heart for you ❤️
Went to a Bible college and took a counseling class. One of the books was MacArthur's on counseling. He starts by saying "Hey you don't need any book for counseling except the Bible"...and then goes to write a book on how mental health is all a sin issue and people just need to repent.
As a veteran dealing with PTSD, I’m appalled, and he should be ashamed of himself. I wonder if he’s out here denying other diseases, or is it just mental health conditions?
@@maxboucher86Yes but the Brain only God knows. And mental illness is real and there are many variables that only God knows and can help. He created us. We should be praying about this horrific affliction and not ostracize anyone!
I am torn between two beliefs: Psychology (like DSM type psychology) is unregenerant humanity trying to treat and explain unregenerant humanity. But when I hear JMac, I want to (and have) scream at him, "Good Lord, every part of the universe groans under the weight of the Fall, but you believe that the brain and it's elaborate chemistry was immune from that?!?!? You arrogant, unsympathetic hireling!!!" This is my second, maybe contradictory, belief.
As much as I want to have nothing to do with this preacher, who has zero heart in him for anyone suffering--I can't stay away from a train wreck. He has no heart and no solutions from wisdom and experience that actually lead to salvation. That's my opinion.
I know much of ADHD can be brought on because of bad habits, but there are some things reguarding ADHD someone can be born with. For me it's both, not sure what it is for you. I agree with you in disagreeing with John MacArthur.
@@Mulerider4Life ADHD is not a matter of bad habits. It’s a processing issue in the brain. We literally have scans that identify the problem. Is there over diagnosis? Sometimes. But more generally there’s under diagnosis. You could beat me three ways past Sunday and I’d still not understand what I had done wrong. I could not will myself better and trying to lead to depression and anxiety. This hot take by JMac is not only unfair but highly dangerous. How many children will be denied medical care and raise abusively because people listened to this? This stuff is dangerous.
@@Gameroomschoolhouse yes, but I also think with the increased amount of dopamine my brain has received from video games, TV, etc has probably not helped it any. Again I have been diagnosed and have ADHD, but so much of ADHD can be better helped with good habits. Pills don't teach skills.
As a current PhD student or Psychology studying mental illness, this is very concerning and disheartening to hear. It's a reminder that we as Christians need to rely on our local church pastors for guidance, and not rely completely on the big names. Although this is an awful take from MacArthur, I can still respect all else that he has done in ministry and his excellent exposition of the scripture. Heck, I even have a MacArthur study bible. We don't need to condemn fellow believers for bad takes, rather, we should pray for them. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and don't take sides. We are ALL brothers and sisters of Christ who are fallen. Even the "greatest" of us are still fallen sinners.
I'm so numb to this kind of thing because I essentially grew up with this. When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher who brought my parents in one day and told them, "I think Monoki has ADD (ADHD inattentive as it would later be named) and he should be put on Ritalin." I was promptly pulled out and homeschooled for a number of years after that suggestion. and pretty much was never taken in to get examined for any mental conditions. 13 years ago, after coming down with strep, I started getting panic attacks and some health anxiety centered struggles. And pretty much, after it was determined my struggles were mental, I was met with "oh youre just not trusting God enough." "anxiety is a sin" Parents are big Macarthur fans. Additionally, my parents had concerns about Autism because of some tics i had since the anxious breakdown. but again, never taken in or tested. 30 now. I'm looking into what it would take to get evaluated for ADHD/ASD. lot of concerns there for another time. But its one reason i don't bring the subject up much with my parents.
PTSD isn't just in Vietnam, or any other war. Some people grow up in American homes that are a war zone. From what I understand, some PTSD symptoms are anxiety and depression. I've had both for decades due to an abusive father. After I was saved, I begged the Lord to heal me, but I guess the answer was "No." I have thru Drs found medicine that makes it bearable. Seriously, I wish God would give the ignorant people who say things like this a taste of it themselves and see how long it is before they change their tune. And yes, I did forgive my father, so there's that.
Interesting lol I'm coming out of my third bout of psychosis in a year and a half, and the PTSD is real! People with no mental illness love telling us how it is. Can't wait to watch
Appreciate your channel I’m a pastor in UK. Can’t tell you how much Mcarthur frustrates me he seems so isolated and in an echo chamber he’s a modern day Pharisee. Can’t imagine how legalistic it must be to be in his church I tremble to think of all the hidden sin.
My biggest issue with John MacArthur is that he lacks a pastoral heart. My pastor would never dare say to someone that their mental anguish isn't real.
Maybe because he is not a pastor at heart in the first place? according to his own doctrine, God does not speak directly, in the heart of people anymore through the Holy Spirit, so what is the evidence he was called to be a pastor by God, since he did not hear anything from Him ?
As a 4 time combat veteran who has been diagnosed with PTSD, I’m flat out appalled! I’m dropping a video on this Friday morning, again thanks Dean! Love ya bro ❤
This is sad coming from a well-respected and influential pastor. My problem with calvinist is denial. Anything they don't understand, they label as either demonic or rather deny it's existence altogether, just like they deny the existence of miracles.
I love Dr. John MacArthur, but he is MASSIVELY wrong with the view on mental illness. I will never take his advice on counseling, especially after the Mrs. Gray controversy.
Thomas Nelson passed on the book because of MacArthur’s failure to protect children from child sexual abuse in his own church. Read about it on the Roys Report.
I read a book called Practicing the Way by John Mark Comer. and it takes mental health issues seriously and doesn't just shrug things off. It was a breath of fresh air to read a book like that, so much grace in it and it made me a more empathetic person from reading it. if you read MacArthur you will get more hardened. I know I did. There is a healthy way forward as a church.. This isn't it.
Maybe the publishers passed on the book because GCC covered for a church leader who was abusing his own kids, and they knew Mac had lost all credibility in “protecting the children”
Thanks for this, Dean. I'm both happy for you in taking your much needed break, and happy you broke it w/this one...hope you can rest up and recharge, brother. Your voice is valued and needed!
I have PTSD from a year long hospitalization due to cancer! I’ve been a Christian since age eighteen. All I went through was like life in a Third World Country and I was in downtown Chicago! I wish I could tell my story but I think you get the ideab
Makes me wonder what terrible decisions my three year old made to be diagnosed with cancer, which lead to epilepsy, which lead to ADHD. Medicine helped him immensely. He didn't like his unfocused self. Now he's on the verge of adulthood and is an awesome kid. When I'm asked about my thoughts on mental health (I'm a pastor's wife and do get asked often), I tell people they would go get a broken bone fixed or an illness treated. Mental health is just as important; it's an issue with brain chemistry.
It's insane to ignore it or say it doesn't exist, or that it's a sin. It may well have come from sin, including someone else's. Or perhaps it is one of those issues such as the man blind from birth, Jesus said it was not because of sin but to glorify God by being healed of it. Mental pain and torment are real, PTSD is real. Narcissism sure is real! Guilt, fear and repressed anger are real. So is healing when it comes.
Heh, one of my first thoughts when I saw the clip was “What a bad time for Dean to take a break, I be he has some thoughts!” I will say I think that in fairness JMac what he said is the natural outflow and conclusion of the philosophy of “Biblical Counseling”, which is why I don’t hold to that system of thought.
Take heart! Bunyan, Luther, Cowper and Spurgeon understood the reality of these afflictions. I do too. What I love from Bunyan is that he listed the ways God used his mental affliction to strengthen his dependence on God. Cling to this: "My grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in weakness."
Ugh that’s terrible! I have PTSD and it cost me a job I really loved and enjoyed. It’s a serious condition that far too many people look over. It’s a shame JMac holds these ideas!
I think you’ve made a good point, Dean. A lot of this is probably born out of MacArthur’s isolation and ignorance. That isolation and ignorance has made him say dangerous things like this that are truly detrimental not only to individuals that are hurting and need support, but to the cause of Christ going forward. Who would want to be a part of this uncaring community? On that note, I asked this in the comments on your video about Jinger Duggar, but I’ll ask it again here: In all sincerity, what is the difference between Gothard and MacArthur? The more I learn about JMac, the less daylight I see between him and Bill Gothard. I could TOTALLY see Gothard saying this same kind of thing. It seems like Jinger just traded one ultra-legalistic dogma for another slightly different flavor of ultra/legalistic dogma.
I think Costi was given influence, and took it, too quickly, without slow and healthy discipleship (it seems, I obviously don't know the man). He does represent a kind of zeal that comes from a fresh awakening; its good that he rejected the prosperity gospel, but in a haste to be right we can so easily latch onto new error. And I think the fundie crowd were so glad to have someone with a public profile reject that false gospel, they propped him up and gave him way more responsibility than he likely should've had; and there in the acceptance of this group he accepted their law gospel. I say Costi, it really only appears that way; I could be wrong about him; but, all the same, he represents what many people go through: doctrinal whiplash that comes through a lack of relationship in orthodox theological spaces. He's the one who might've done better in this scenario, MacArthur is no surprise (albeit a terribly unhealthy take) Small rant over.
He offers no alternative to drugs here. As Dean pointed out, he is not a counselor, that's why he didn't have *any* solution to PTSD, other than to say, "well, we all have to suffer". There is SO much depression and mental illness. There are lots of answers in the Bible and in some churches.
@@lizh1988 First, it’s wrong to vilify people who take medicine for one medical condition and not another. JMac has no training or education in mental illness. He cites one book written I the 1950s as his only source. Secondly, there are plenty of people dealing with mental health conditions who have no need for medicine. I’m just sick of people pretending they have a Biblical basis for judging people whose lives they don’t understand.
@@DaveTheAmerican Just so. I particularly dislike JMac for his other cruelties. I did take an antidepressant for a while, but was refused the counseling that should have gone with it. The time that I was in relieved of the depression was short because the depressive thoughts and anger came back. This is just another example of what this particular guy has done that shows he really is just more of a talker, rather than understanding the Gospel. He is not a good counselor so, yes, he should not be giving advice if he hasn't experience of the problem or have experience of those who have it. I know someone who started a drug rehab, no drug problem of his own, but he studied and talked to people who did overcome, studied for years before setting up the brick and mortar part of it. JMac doesn't know what he's doing as you said.
Anyone who cares about John MacArthur needs to realize that he’s destroying his own legacy. This will affect all of the ministries associated with MacArthur, including Masters Seminary. If I was someone attending MS, I would transfer asap to another institution.
hey Bro you're here too! I was reading the comments and I saw yours! Well, according to JMAc, as a war veteran "you should just get over it! " No comment!
Can someone post the original video link? I'd like to watch the whole thing. I can't seem to find it. THANK YOU for posting this and bringing awareness to this vital info, Underdog.
Ironically, he as a vocal cessationist is aligning himself with the prosperity preachers by taking this stance. Man, PTSD is real. I am better but it is a battle to heal and get to the other side. I do believe that God helps us to rebuild our foundation in him to heal from that. It takes work and time to do real, solid healing. My counseling experience has been very negative, but have done a lot of reading to help me understand what I am dealing with. Scripture has been a lot of help too.
I'm in college to be a therapist. Does "Dr" MacArthur know what neurotransmitters are? Or is human biology also woke and trying to appease the culture? Lmao
Right, he is an unfeeling speaker not a pastor, more like a robot. His lifestyle reveals he is another form of prosperity preacher, secretly he is leading that kind of life. You feel frustrated sometimes listening to him.
Thank you very much for this comment! Exactly! 2 faces of the same coin, the same spirit in the 2 camps. They use different names but do the same things! Prosperity Gospel/NAR Dominion and Theonomy for example. Another one: "Touch not my anointed" is said out loud in the properity gospel camp, they do not say it in the reformed camp but they practice it more than them! Jmac must not be touched! he can never be wrong! he his the anointed of God, untouchable!
Although I disagree with his polarising take, I think it is true that labels and drugs are used to replace responsibility quite often. Not all cases obviously, but it's much easier to blame behaviour on a condition than to deal with the root causes. I think it's a case of "both- and", not "either-or".
Our family has multiple members with neurodivergence, which naturally comes with mental health components. The most harmful things said to our family about it have come from other Christians that love JMac and hold what he and others like him say on a pedestal. Many families suffer in silence or latch onto this kind of teaching and make things worse for their family in churches and church cultures where these teachings run rampant. It’s very sad to see the damage it does in real time.
How did biblical counseling damage you? Just curious because I had biblical counseling for a short period and felt like it wasn’t too effective. Curious to hear your experience! 😄
John is losing it. He sounds cultish, controlling. He needs to go out and help the homeless people in Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley. He needs to go visit the mentally ill in the hospital. He needs to retire. When he dies he cannot take the money with him.
After the Northridge Earthquake in 1994 he said we didn't see nothing yet. I had friends who went there lost their minds, taken their lives. They didn't have spiritual problems it was trama, I have been traumatized and have emotional scars.
Yes. I suffer from depression from time to time. Not always. I was told that I get depressed because I don’t have enough faith in God. I was told this by a supposed Christian. A few years ago a long time friend committed suicide. I was told by yet another so called Christian that I was grieving for too long. This is why I do t tell people in my church anything anymore. I keep it to myself. It shouldn’t be that way.
I believe this is what they all have believed for a long time but were worried if they were super open about it they would loose a lot of their “backers.” However, with the rise of the acceptance & proliferation of conspiracy theories, they learned that there was a whole community & culture that would happily jump on board with them and now they have thrown all caution to the wind & just let it all fly out & are applauded for it.
What an utterly dangerous thinto say Mcarthur has now become a very dangerous man because people blindly follow him and tragedy will come from this unless something is done but it won’t be because he is also extremely prideful and never wrong in his own mind and people around him will not confront him time to go Mcarthur before you do any more damage
man this is hard to watch, it’s frustrating.. Fruits of nouthetic counseling are ugly 👎🏼👎🏼 Dean, I agree with everything you said about his out of touchness
I get how this is controversial but…Huge respect for John Mcarthur. I use to be on medication for anxiety and panic attacks. Thought it was all mental but when I worked on bringing myself closer to God and living by the Bible I got off the medication and no more panic attacks or severe anxiety. I praise God for this change. Secular Therapy did absolutely nothing. Perhaps it was just a spiritual problem all along.
My only suggestion is to read the Word of God for yourselves in this area; then you will have a much clear understanding of this issue of life, this falling world, brain vs mind, soul and body…according to the Perfect Wisdom of God vs imperfect human like me and us with limited knowledge and understanding. May the LORD bless you all! ❤
John MacArthur is not a Medical Doctor. This example is the reason why the young people have no desire to attend church. The Christlike example is totally missing. The humility replaced is with arrogance.
Are some kids prematurely medicated? Sure. I was, but it’s not some conspiracy. I am ADHD and could probably really benefit from medication now as an adult. It’s not the Bible vs science. They go together.
I’m not sure what’s going on with JM. It seems like he’s on a mission to destroy his own legacy. This statement was bizarre and I’m not sure if it’s his age or what.
Physician here... I've been treating PTSD, OCD, ADHD, and many other mental health conditions for well over 10 years. Yes, mental illness is a real issue and needs to be taken seriously as such by trained medical professionals. I encourage integrating one's faith into one's medical care, and I often encourage patients to seek the Lord through the scriptures and prayer and community, etc,. However, what MacArthur is saying here is completely wrong. He has no idea what he is saying. I have known he was anti-science for many years, but this is a new low for this man. Nobody should take MacArthur seriously at this point.
It's wild to me that JMac is doing what so many 20 something TheoBros do while going through seminary. They read a book that either confirms what they already believe or gives them a little understanding on a subject and all the sudden everyone who disagrees is wrong.
This is the ultimate show of ignorance; the willful denial and self-deceptive non-sense he has no credibility to speak about. Worse yet, people follow this guy as if he's the authority of all knowledge.
Thank you for talking about MacArthur. Honestly, those of us in the historic, confessional Reformed world have many problems with MacA. This spans decades. His "Lordship Salvation" message started the controvery decades ago -- and he hasn't changed in this regard. MacA puts out a couple of reformed tenets out there, but he is still FULLY dispensational. He misunderstands the gospel, adding obedience as a part of our faith to stay in the faith (not biblical). Dr. R. Scott Clark and Dr. Riddlebarger have excellent resources on MacA from a proper historic, confessional Reformed view.
This maga pastor is crazy I got it bad and my daughter told me the other day she couldn't focus. I feel her pain. ADHD and mental illness is real ask the veterans.
What a joke! He doesn’t know what he is talking about! I don’t care how much he knows the Bible . That doesn’t mean anything. And shame on people for following him . There’s a whole lot more to Christianity than listening to this crap or following a pastor. Jesus said • follow me” . Thanks for the video . Also I’m a combat vet and yes I have PTSD.
He doesn't know how to follow the Bible. Somewhere in Proverbs it says when someone is depressed it's not right to tell them they should just cheer up. Dang it I can't remember the quotation. Also, has he never had to read the Psalms for comfort? This guy has no heart.
Well he'd say there's no such thing as abuse too.... Uggg. Absolutely shameful. I'm a trained counselor and this is SOOO harmful. I mean I DO think that doctors do over-medicate and counselors can be too quick to give labels, however mental illness, PTSD, etc. is absolutely real. Also, "If you parent them right they will make right choices".... ummmm no guarantee of that at all Sir! Uggg!!!!
✔️ He is functionally mentally ill in my opinion, he just manages his public image, rather than genuinely learning to care about God and people. His intellect is occupied with appearing qualified to make judgements like this.
People are misunderstanding him. He is saying it’s a spiritual issue not a mental issue. It’s not that the individual doesn’t believe the individual believes it exists.
John MacArthur is waiting to get so old he gets to say things and words society frowns upon. If he got around Right Respond Ministries, they’re be like, “Women shouldn’t vote” and The Mac will add “they shouldn’t be allowed to eat without their husband in the room or touch the thermostats either!”
OMG I have so much to say about this! I just might have to do an episode about thus with a Christian psychologist because holy crap is there a lot of dangerous ignorance being vomited out as Gospel by these belligerent narcissists!
Oh so just because my husband (veteran) practically hits the floor whenever he hears a loud noise, it’s not ptsd. Gotcha. Thanks “Dr” MacArthur.
He just needs to repent and trust Jesus more 🙄
@@thebookpotato310 But the "slight" problem with this gentleman is that he teaches thousands and thousands of people all over the world! He has a very high position with very, very great responsibility, towards many brothers and sisters..... I can't understand what is happening in all these churches but I am frightened. Be blessed !
My son was dismissed from the military because of PTSD. MacArthur is so INSULATED from real work with real people by his "velvet rope" that he could not recognize a real mental illness if he saw it. MacArthur has come to be a relic as full of false ideas as Joe Biden.
He'll probably say lactose and gluten intolerance is just a feeling and not real!
It is easier just to trust Dr. MacArthur and not bother with your mind. After all, his theological training gives him the ability to answer any question.
John MacArthur: There’s no such thing as PTSD.
Tell that to someone who served in the military during a war with bullets flying over their head! Tell that to someone who lived with abusive parents! Tell that to somebody who has been raped!
Yes!!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I have panic attacks. Mental illness is very real
Hospital Chaplain here… It only takes seeing someone dissociate to a near catatonic state one time to realize how real PTSD is and how severe it can be.
Wife of a VA Hospital Chaplain and we concur
Thank you for ministering to the sick
Thank you for the work you’re doing and for being with people in their darkest times.
Thank you..I white knuckled it until I lost everything and was tested at 52.. my diagnosis mirrors that of a Nam vet taken POW....My biological father and sister were both narcissistic Sociopaths and I couldn't get away...I never turned them in as I have Stockholm syndrome and PTSD...that's just the beginning...I had someone who knew my diagnosis send me MacArthurs abusive balony...it's like pushing someone out of a wheelchair... MacArthur never had someone strip him naked for beatings
@@scottshaw5271 he probably had weird things done to him in his mason lodge, but he is probably proud of that stupidity.
All of these Pastors who have this take on mental illness should consider themselves very fortunate to not be mentally ill.
What says that they are not Mentally ill themselves.
@@bethshaw6757 😅
@@bethshaw6757 I was just about to type the same thing!
I think narcissism is a mental illness.
Yep. And your kids hasnt got asthma. They just need to be disciplined into breathing properly.
This was infuriating to watch. My wife has MS which physically changes the brain chemistry resulting in depression and anxiety. She is also ADD, and this almost destroyed our marriage before it was diagnosed. Once we realized her brain processed stimuli and information differently we were able to make changes to how we communicated. Now we celebrate our differences and take advantage of our unique strengths. JMac's perspective would have left us in despair and exhausted, and most likely divorced. I am grateful to God for supplying the Christian psychologists that helped us navigate these challenges. My counselor showed me the heart of God more than any sermon.
Amen
So MacArthur, a non-combat vet, is going to talk to me (combat vet) about combat grief... And that it's the same for everyone, grief is grief. No... Combat grief, loss, and survival guilt is different... This is dangerous thinking.
I’ve outgrown him in the past year and a half. I just couldn’t take the idolatry from his fans anymore. It’s like he couldn’t do no wrong in the eyes of some of his fans. This is a slap in the face to everyone who has trauma, ptsd, adhd, depression etc..
I know right...
What a Hypocrite. There was no grace for Eileen Grey's children. There was no grace for Wendy Guay as a child. This is a great way to cover your tracks , write a book that those who idolise you will purchase, merchandise your fan base. Jude has some things to say about that.
PTSD non war verteran here. I was genuinely torn between laughing my behind off and going into a complete rage when I saw this clip. Thanks for covering this Dean 💛
What this man is saying is really bad! So according to him, war veterans, victims of torture, victims of abuses of any kind, people who have gone through a difficult childhood do not suffer from ptsd, it's just a way to make them take medication? it's just "grief", or are they weak? I mean the psychological impact trauma has on someone??!!!! This is typical of someone who is an abuser himself: just get over it!!
Exactly sis, this is shameful
@fatalerror-dz2qy thou shall not kill in context, was talking about murder, not defending your nation against evil or evil ones against another, if that where the case how do you explain the children of Israel having an army and many times God blessed them in battle? Secondly, by your logic, no nation would ever have an army to defend itself, so if the Nazi party or people like Hitler rise up, no nation would have an army to defend against that right? So let the enemy come in and kill everyone and take over correct? That’s silly! Because evil is in this world there will always be bad people doing bad things in this world, so we need a Military to defend against it, that’s wisdom. Also, in that line of thinking, Christians can’t go to war but only the pagans can? So as long as unsaved people die but Christian’s don’t it’s ok? How selfish and unloving! There’s many holes in your logic. Lastly, even if what you say is true, and it’s not, but for the sake of argument, let’s say it is, you basically said, to heck with your suffering of whatever your going through, you get what you get so you deserve this! Wow, so how does that minister to people who are struggling? How does that minister to where they are and help them recover? So, I’ll make sure to not send people your way, thanks, blessings and I’ll pray for more of a loving heart for you ❤️
Went to a Bible college and took a counseling class. One of the books was MacArthur's on counseling. He starts by saying "Hey you don't need any book for counseling except the Bible"...and then goes to write a book on how mental health is all a sin issue and people just need to repent.
As a veteran dealing with PTSD, I’m appalled, and he should be ashamed of himself. I wonder if he’s out here denying other diseases, or is it just mental health conditions?
Well, considering the open heart surgery he had, I'm guessing it's just mental health conditions.
Psychology is not biblical its another worldview
@@maxboucher86Yes but the Brain only God knows. And mental illness is real and there are many variables that only God knows and can help. He created us. We should be praying about this horrific affliction and not ostracize anyone!
Compassion and calvinism are opposites.
@@maxboucher86 Please tell me you’re trolling. It’s scary to think people with that opinion’s actually exist
So much of the religious right is *reacting* to the left rather than thoughtfully going to Scripture.
And the book he was citing was from the '50s! A lot of the work on PTSD was done after the '50s!
Wow!!
Exactly… and written by a nobody
MacArthur probably forces his staff to watch those black and white films from the 50s
I am so glad you decided to address this!
I might have to skip my 8 am staff meeting…they won’t notice, will they?
"PTSD isn't real" t. guy who was of age during the Vietnam war but didn't go
I am torn between two beliefs:
Psychology (like DSM type psychology) is unregenerant humanity trying to treat and explain unregenerant humanity.
But when I hear JMac, I want to (and have) scream at him, "Good Lord, every part of the universe groans under the weight of the Fall, but you believe that the brain and it's elaborate chemistry was immune from that?!?!? You arrogant, unsympathetic hireling!!!" This is my second, maybe contradictory, belief.
There are a lot of believers who make huge contributions to the mental health field. The study of the brain is not demonic or unregenerate.
Very, very good point!
As much as I want to have nothing to do with this preacher, who has zero heart in him for anyone suffering--I can't stay away from a train wreck. He has no heart and no solutions from wisdom and experience that actually lead to salvation. That's my opinion.
I had ADHD. So, therefore I am not a Christian for MacArthur
I know much of ADHD can be brought on because of bad habits, but there are some things reguarding ADHD someone can be born with. For me it's both, not sure what it is for you. I agree with you in disagreeing with John MacArthur.
How is adhd brought on by bad habits? It’s an actual neurological difference
@@Mulerider4Life ADHD is not a matter of bad habits. It’s a processing issue in the brain. We literally have scans that identify the problem. Is there over diagnosis? Sometimes. But more generally there’s under diagnosis. You could beat me three ways past Sunday and I’d still not understand what I had done wrong. I could not will myself better and trying to lead to depression and anxiety. This hot take by JMac is not only unfair but highly dangerous. How many children will be denied medical care and raise abusively because people listened to this? This stuff is dangerous.
@@Gameroomschoolhouse yes, but I also think with the increased amount of dopamine my brain has received from video games, TV, etc has probably not helped it any. Again I have been diagnosed and have ADHD, but so much of ADHD can be better helped with good habits. Pills don't teach skills.
@@kaygee2012 sure and again I'm not defending JMAC at all on this.
As a current PhD student or Psychology studying mental illness, this is very concerning and disheartening to hear. It's a reminder that we as Christians need to rely on our local church pastors for guidance, and not rely completely on the big names. Although this is an awful take from MacArthur, I can still respect all else that he has done in ministry and his excellent exposition of the scripture. Heck, I even have a MacArthur study bible. We don't need to condemn fellow believers for bad takes, rather, we should pray for them. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater and don't take sides. We are ALL brothers and sisters of Christ who are fallen. Even the "greatest" of us are still fallen sinners.
I would say that MacArthur's mental capabilities are fading . . . but fading mental capabilities is a noble lie.
"GO HOME, JOHN! GO HOME!"
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I'm so numb to this kind of thing because I essentially grew up with this.
When I was in 3rd grade, I had a teacher who brought my parents in one day and told them, "I think Monoki has ADD (ADHD inattentive as it would later be named) and he should be put on Ritalin."
I was promptly pulled out and homeschooled for a number of years after that suggestion. and pretty much was never taken in to get examined for any mental conditions.
13 years ago, after coming down with strep, I started getting panic attacks and some health anxiety centered struggles. And pretty much, after it was determined my struggles were mental, I was met with "oh youre just not trusting God enough." "anxiety is a sin"
Parents are big Macarthur fans.
Additionally, my parents had concerns about Autism because of some tics i had since the anxious breakdown. but again, never taken in or tested.
30 now. I'm looking into what it would take to get evaluated for ADHD/ASD. lot of concerns there for another time. But its one reason i don't bring the subject up much with my parents.
I'm so sorry this happened to you. I can't imagine..
PTSD isn't just in Vietnam, or any other war. Some people grow up in American homes that are a war zone. From what I understand, some PTSD symptoms are anxiety and depression. I've had both for decades due to an abusive father. After I was saved, I begged the Lord to heal me, but I guess the answer was "No." I have thru Drs found medicine that makes it bearable. Seriously, I wish God would give the ignorant people who say things like this a taste of it themselves and see how long it is before they change their tune. And yes, I did forgive my father, so there's that.
Interesting lol I'm coming out of my third bout of psychosis in a year and a half, and the PTSD is real! People with no mental illness love telling us how it is. Can't wait to watch
Whoever said that John Macarthur is NOT Mentally ill?
Appreciate your channel I’m a pastor in UK. Can’t tell you how much Mcarthur frustrates me he seems so isolated and in an echo chamber he’s a modern day Pharisee. Can’t imagine how legalistic it must be to be in his church I tremble to think of all the hidden sin.
thank you for this comment! finally someone says it: all of the hidden sin!!!!
Im in Scotland and everyone I know in the church don't know any of his personal thoughts tbh probably anything after 1990 😂
Nailed it!
Thankfully it’s coming out now thanks to people like Julie Roys and others
This guy and his church and a lot of his followers just are sick.
My biggest issue with John MacArthur is that he lacks a pastoral heart. My pastor would never dare say to someone that their mental anguish isn't real.
Yes. He just wants to be RIGHT.
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Maybe because he is not a pastor at heart in the first place? according to his own doctrine, God does not speak directly, in the heart of people anymore through the Holy Spirit, so what is the evidence he was called to be a pastor by God, since he did not hear anything from Him ?
@@MalaikaLeleExactly!!!
As a 4 time combat veteran who has been diagnosed with PTSD, I’m flat out appalled! I’m dropping a video on this Friday morning, again thanks Dean! Love ya bro ❤
Thank you for your service.
@@joyg7575 😃
Thank you for your service ❤
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Thank you for protecting us and serving our country. Sorry for all you went thru.
This is sad coming from a well-respected and influential pastor. My problem with calvinist is denial. Anything they don't understand, they label as either demonic or rather deny it's existence altogether, just like they deny the existence of miracles.
This has nothing to do with Calvinism. This is a counseling view, not a soteriological one.
I love Dr. John MacArthur, but he is MASSIVELY wrong with the view on mental illness. I will never take his advice on counseling, especially after the Mrs. Gray controversy.
✔️✔️✔️ Seems like he just doesn't want to be bothered with caring. Maybe to him it's all predetermined anyway?
is not a doctor he never did a PhD in theology.
MacArthur talks about mental health professionals profiteering when HE makes $16,000,000/year
Thomas Nelson passed on the book because of MacArthur’s failure to protect children from child sexual abuse in his own church. Read about it on the Roys Report.
This guy makes Christians sound ridiculous. The secular community is eating this up.
I read a book called Practicing the Way by John Mark Comer. and it takes mental health issues seriously and doesn't just shrug things off. It was a breath of fresh air to read a book like that, so much grace in it and it made me a more empathetic person from reading it. if you read MacArthur you will get more hardened. I know I did. There is a healthy way forward as a church.. This isn't it.
Maybe the publishers passed on the book because GCC covered for a church leader who was abusing his own kids, and they knew Mac had lost all credibility in “protecting the children”
It’s possible (100%)
Seeing this Video with Macarthur on my feed triggers PTSD.
Johnny Mac strikes again! Costi Hinn goes from one ditch to another from following Uncle Benny to following Johnny Mac. One extreme to another
Thanks for this, Dean. I'm both happy for you in taking your much needed break, and happy you broke it w/this one...hope you can rest up and recharge, brother. Your voice is valued and needed!
I have PTSD from a year long hospitalization due to cancer! I’ve been a Christian since age eighteen. All I went through was like life in a Third World Country and I was in downtown Chicago! I wish I could tell my story but I think you get the ideab
Jmac here sounding like a mix of Greg Locke and Tucker Carlson
Makes me wonder what terrible decisions my three year old made to be diagnosed with cancer, which lead to epilepsy, which lead to ADHD. Medicine helped him immensely. He didn't like his unfocused self. Now he's on the verge of adulthood and is an awesome kid.
When I'm asked about my thoughts on mental health (I'm a pastor's wife and do get asked often), I tell people they would go get a broken bone fixed or an illness treated. Mental health is just as important; it's an issue with brain chemistry.
It's insane to ignore it or say it doesn't exist, or that it's a sin. It may well have come from sin, including someone else's.
Or perhaps it is one of those issues such as the man blind from birth, Jesus said it was not because of sin but to glorify God by being healed of it.
Mental pain and torment are real, PTSD is real. Narcissism sure is real! Guilt, fear and repressed anger are real. So is healing when it comes.
Old age can bring on mental illness...
Macarthur is there.
Heh, one of my first thoughts when I saw the clip was “What a bad time for Dean to take a break, I be he has some thoughts!”
I will say I think that in fairness JMac what he said is the natural outflow and conclusion of the philosophy of “Biblical Counseling”, which is why I don’t hold to that system of thought.
Me and my friends were talking about this earlier. Can't believe MacArthur said that, smh.
Where are my fellow OCD and scrupulosity brothers who will be haunted by this 😄👍🥲
Here with ya bro!
Take heart! Bunyan, Luther, Cowper and Spurgeon understood the reality of these afflictions. I do too. What I love from Bunyan is that he listed the ways God used his mental affliction to strengthen his dependence on God. Cling to this: "My grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in weakness."
I have CPTSD and OCD. He needs help 🤦
So every single part of the human body can be sick except the brain according to Johnny Mac
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! My husband has terrible PTSD. I am getting my popcorn and ready for this one!
I believe that JMac is in serious denial over his own Mental Health.
Ugh that’s terrible! I have PTSD and it cost me a job I really loved and enjoyed. It’s a serious condition that far too many people look over. It’s a shame JMac holds these ideas!
@@bronxkies I'm so sorry. My husband has lost so many jobs because of his PTSD. It's very serious. I wish you grace on your healing journey.
@@bethshaw6757 Indeed he is. He's a sick man. A cold hearted man with no love, no compassion, no mercy.
@@maryhamric thank you! I wish grace and healing to your husband, and to you too. I know loving and living with someone with PTSD isn’t easy.
4:23 JM sites one current book and then an obscure book that’s 75 years old to prove his point.
No research.
No empirically based studies.
I think you’ve made a good point, Dean. A lot of this is probably born out of MacArthur’s isolation and ignorance. That isolation and ignorance has made him say dangerous things like this that are truly detrimental not only to individuals that are hurting and need support, but to the cause of Christ going forward. Who would want to be a part of this uncaring community?
On that note, I asked this in the comments on your video about Jinger Duggar, but I’ll ask it again here: In all sincerity, what is the difference between Gothard and MacArthur? The more I learn about JMac, the less daylight I see between him and Bill Gothard. I could TOTALLY see Gothard saying this same kind of thing. It seems like Jinger just traded one ultra-legalistic dogma for another slightly different flavor of ultra/legalistic dogma.
JMac doesn't care if women wear pants. Let me see if I can find any more differences...
I think Costi was given influence, and took it, too quickly, without slow and healthy discipleship (it seems, I obviously don't know the man). He does represent a kind of zeal that comes from a fresh awakening; its good that he rejected the prosperity gospel, but in a haste to be right we can so easily latch onto new error. And I think the fundie crowd were so glad to have someone with a public profile reject that false gospel, they propped him up and gave him way more responsibility than he likely should've had; and there in the acceptance of this group he accepted their law gospel. I say Costi, it really only appears that way; I could be wrong about him; but, all the same, he represents what many people go through: doctrinal whiplash that comes through a lack of relationship in orthodox theological spaces. He's the one who might've done better in this scenario, MacArthur is no surprise (albeit a terribly unhealthy take) Small rant over.
9:47 Wow. His caricature of PTSD is infuriating.
You’re right. He’s the nutty one!!
He offers no alternative to drugs here. As Dean pointed out, he is not a counselor, that's why he didn't have *any* solution to PTSD, other than to say, "well, we all have to suffer".
There is SO much depression and mental illness. There are lots of answers in the Bible and in some churches.
@@lizh1988 First, it’s wrong to vilify people who take medicine for one medical condition and not another. JMac has no training or education in mental illness. He cites one book written I the 1950s as his only source.
Secondly, there are plenty of people dealing with mental health conditions who have no need for medicine. I’m just sick of people pretending they have a Biblical basis for judging people whose lives they don’t understand.
@@DaveTheAmerican Just so. I particularly dislike JMac for his other cruelties.
I did take an antidepressant for a while, but was refused the counseling that should have gone with it. The time that I was in relieved of the depression was short because the depressive thoughts and anger came back.
This is just another example of what this particular guy has done that shows he really is just more of a talker, rather than understanding the Gospel. He is not a good counselor so, yes, he should not be giving advice if he hasn't experience of the problem or have experience of those who have it. I know someone who started a drug rehab, no drug problem of his own, but he studied and talked to people who did overcome, studied for years before setting up the brick and mortar part of it. JMac doesn't know what he's doing as you said.
Anyone who cares about John MacArthur needs to realize that he’s destroying his own legacy. This will affect all of the ministries associated with MacArthur, including Masters Seminary.
If I was someone attending MS, I would transfer asap to another institution.
Thanks for exposing this Dean!
hey Bro you're here too! I was reading the comments and I saw yours! Well, according to JMAc, as a war veteran "you should just get over it! " No comment!
@@MalaikaLele oh, I got lots to say, I’m dropping a video on this Friday morning!!! Bring your popcorn 🔥🔥🔥🔥😡
@@josephbachota I surely will!! Cannot miss that!
Can someone post the original video link? I'd like to watch the whole thing. I can't seem to find it. THANK YOU for posting this and bringing awareness to this vital info, Underdog.
Ironically, he as a vocal cessationist is aligning himself with the prosperity preachers by taking this stance. Man, PTSD is real. I am better but it is a battle to heal and get to the other side. I do believe that God helps us to rebuild our foundation in him to heal from that. It takes work and time to do real, solid healing. My counseling experience has been very negative, but have done a lot of reading to help me understand what I am dealing with. Scripture has been a lot of help too.
I'm in college to be a therapist. Does "Dr" MacArthur know what neurotransmitters are? Or is human biology also woke and trying to appease the culture? Lmao
Right, he is an unfeeling speaker not a pastor, more like a robot. His lifestyle reveals he is another form of prosperity preacher, secretly he is leading that kind of life. You feel frustrated sometimes listening to him.
Thank you very much for this comment! Exactly! 2 faces of the same coin, the same spirit in the 2 camps. They use different names but do the same things! Prosperity Gospel/NAR Dominion and Theonomy for example. Another one: "Touch not my anointed" is said out loud in the properity gospel camp, they do not say it in the reformed camp but they practice it more than them! Jmac must not be touched! he can never be wrong! he his the anointed of God, untouchable!
So MacArthur thinks Begg needs to repent, but he doesn't.... 🤔.
Although I disagree with his polarising take, I think it is true that labels and drugs are used to replace responsibility quite often. Not all cases obviously, but it's much easier to blame behaviour on a condition than to deal with the root causes. I think it's a case of "both- and", not "either-or".
The People in leadership in his ministry need to step in and get him accessed.
Our family has multiple members with neurodivergence, which naturally comes with mental health components. The most harmful things said to our family about it have come from other Christians that love JMac and hold what he and others like him say on a pedestal. Many families suffer in silence or latch onto this kind of teaching and make things worse for their family in churches and church cultures where these teachings run rampant. It’s very sad to see the damage it does in real time.
Go home John MacArthur.
Thank you for speaking about this! Biblical counseling damaged me a lot, I passionately dislike it and am against it!
How did biblical counseling damage you? Just curious because I had biblical counseling for a short period and felt like it wasn’t too effective. Curious to hear your experience! 😄
Ask all the Brave Soldiers coming back from Combat if PTSD is real.
John is losing it. He sounds cultish, controlling. He needs to go out and help the homeless people in Los Angeles and the San Fernando Valley. He needs to go visit the mentally ill in the hospital. He needs to retire. When he dies he cannot take the money with him.
After the Northridge Earthquake in 1994 he said we didn't see nothing yet. I had friends who went there lost their minds, taken their lives. They didn't have spiritual problems it was trama, I have been traumatized and have emotional scars.
Yes. I suffer from depression from time to time. Not always. I was told that I get depressed because I don’t have enough faith in God. I was told this by a supposed Christian. A few years ago a long time friend committed suicide. I was told by yet another so called Christian that I was grieving for too long. This is why I do t tell people in my church anything anymore. I keep it to myself. It shouldn’t be that way.
I believe this is what they all have believed for a long time but were worried if they were super open about it they would loose a lot of their “backers.” However, with the rise of the acceptance & proliferation of conspiracy theories, they learned that there was a whole community & culture that would happily jump on board with them and now they have thrown all caution to the wind & just let it all fly out & are applauded for it.
What an utterly dangerous thinto say Mcarthur has now become a very dangerous man because people blindly follow him and tragedy will come from this unless something is done but it won’t be because he is also extremely prideful and never wrong in his own mind and people around him will not confront him time to go Mcarthur before you do any more damage
man this is hard to watch, it’s frustrating.. Fruits of nouthetic counseling are ugly 👎🏼👎🏼 Dean, I agree with everything you said about his out of touchness
All I know is that Jesus can heals our minds if we allow Him to. His word is a healing balm.
Sadly, this thinking is very prevalent in the body of Christ.
Eyes off of John MacArthur, a man, and onto Jesus Christ
I get how this is controversial but…Huge respect for John Mcarthur. I use to be on medication for anxiety and panic attacks. Thought it was all mental but when I worked on bringing myself closer to God and living by the Bible I got off the medication and no more panic attacks or severe anxiety. I praise God for this change. Secular Therapy did absolutely nothing. Perhaps it was just a spiritual problem all along.
Just remember, not everyone is like you. If there can be illnesses of the body, there can be illnesses of the mind.
My only suggestion is to read the Word of God for yourselves in this area; then you will have a much clear understanding of this issue of life, this falling world, brain vs mind, soul and body…according to the Perfect Wisdom of God vs imperfect human like me and us with limited knowledge and understanding.
May the LORD bless you all! ❤
John MacArthur is not a Medical Doctor. This example is the reason why the young people have no desire to attend church. The Christlike example is totally missing. The humility replaced is with arrogance.
Are some kids prematurely medicated? Sure. I was, but it’s not some conspiracy. I am ADHD and could probably really benefit from medication now as an adult. It’s not the Bible vs science. They go together.
Bro you hit the nail on the head with this one. Jmac isn't a pastor. Period. He's a talking head.
I’m not sure what’s going on with JM. It seems like he’s on a mission to destroy his own legacy. This statement was bizarre and I’m not sure if it’s his age or what.
Physician here... I've been treating PTSD, OCD, ADHD, and many other mental health conditions for well over 10 years. Yes, mental illness is a real issue and needs to be taken seriously as such by trained medical professionals. I encourage integrating one's faith into one's medical care, and I often encourage patients to seek the Lord through the scriptures and prayer and community, etc,. However, what MacArthur is saying here is completely wrong. He has no idea what he is saying. I have known he was anti-science for many years, but this is a new low for this man. Nobody should take MacArthur seriously at this point.
I think J-Mac has to be doing this stuff for publicity. He’s the Kanye of the Christian teacher world. It just happens too often to be real, right? 🤣
What type of medicine is what makes medicine good or bad.
MacArthur is the reason why so many people are deconverting. I won't stop him!
David Murray has been a helpful resource for me in the area of depression. "Christians Get Depressed Too" is a helpful volume.
It's wild to me that JMac is doing what so many 20 something TheoBros do while going through seminary. They read a book that either confirms what they already believe or gives them a little understanding on a subject and all the sudden everyone who disagrees is wrong.
This is the ultimate show of ignorance; the willful denial and self-deceptive non-sense he has no credibility to speak about. Worse yet, people follow this guy as if he's the authority of all knowledge.
Thank you for talking about MacArthur. Honestly, those of us in the historic, confessional Reformed world have many problems with MacA. This spans decades. His "Lordship Salvation" message started the controvery decades ago -- and he hasn't changed in this regard. MacA puts out a couple of reformed tenets out there, but he is still FULLY dispensational. He misunderstands the gospel, adding obedience as a part of our faith to stay in the faith (not biblical). Dr. R. Scott Clark and Dr. Riddlebarger have excellent resources on MacA from a proper historic, confessional Reformed view.
My friends who had lost their minds went to Grace.
To strengthen a church the focus needs to be on men not children
Listening to this is triggering my already PTSD -
This maga pastor is crazy I got it bad and my daughter told me the other day she couldn't focus. I feel her pain. ADHD and mental illness is real ask the veterans.
John MacArthur and Tom Cruise and Kenneth Copeland all agree on this 😂
What’s the link to the original video?
He needs to stick to subjects he knows. He doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
What a joke! He doesn’t know what he is talking about! I don’t care how much he knows the Bible . That doesn’t mean anything. And shame on people for following him . There’s a whole lot more to Christianity than listening to this crap or following a pastor. Jesus said • follow me” . Thanks for the video . Also I’m a combat vet and yes I have PTSD.
He doesn't know how to follow the Bible. Somewhere in Proverbs it says when someone is depressed it's not right to tell them they should just cheer up. Dang it I can't remember the quotation.
Also, has he never had to read the Psalms for comfort? This guy has no heart.
I feel like predators would love this JM message.
Well he'd say there's no such thing as abuse too.... Uggg. Absolutely shameful. I'm a trained counselor and this is SOOO harmful. I mean I DO think that doctors do over-medicate and counselors can be too quick to give labels, however mental illness, PTSD, etc. is absolutely real. Also, "If you parent them right they will make right choices".... ummmm no guarantee of that at all Sir! Uggg!!!!
✔️ He is functionally mentally ill in my opinion, he just manages his public image, rather than genuinely learning to care about God and people. His intellect is occupied with appearing qualified to make judgements like this.
People are misunderstanding him. He is saying it’s a spiritual issue not a mental issue. It’s not that the individual doesn’t believe the individual believes it exists.
John MacArthur is waiting to get so old he gets to say things and words society frowns upon. If he got around Right Respond Ministries, they’re be like, “Women shouldn’t vote” and The Mac will add “they shouldn’t be allowed to eat without their husband in the room or touch the thermostats either!”
OMG I have so much to say about this! I just might have to do an episode about thus with a Christian psychologist because holy crap is there a lot of dangerous ignorance being vomited out as Gospel by these belligerent narcissists!
Does Macarthur have Dementia or did he have a Stroke.
He looks and sounds like it