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I know my swing very well, through years of tweaking, and literally just lots of trial n error. The thing he said about “keep accelerating, and turning through impact is a game changer. You’ll hold the face off longer(straighter flight), and take your divot in front of the ball more often(better strike). Both of those things will equal better golf. This guy is genius. Unfortunately, this guy wasn’t around when it took me 25 years to discover these things myself. lol
brendon, your exploration and study of the golf swing is second to none. i have watched most of videos over the years now and really enjoy the info they contain. thnx so much.
I keep watching this over and over again. I learn something new each time.
So I went out yesterday and the only thing I was thinking during iron swing was to hold that right trigger finger tight to the shaft and let me tell you that the compression was noticeably better and I am a low handicapped player. Huge difference, and the control of the shot shape was great as well. Trying with woods tomorrow. Great video
Here’s a fact that you might find interesting: Lee Trevino, in discussing Jack Nicklaus’ power in his prime, said Nicklaus had the fastest shoulders of anyone, and added, “The left shoulder (turning) is where the power is.” You can find him saying that in a CZcams video. I wondered about this statement, thought it was just one of Trevino’s idiosyncratic insights that no one agreed with, but here Erickson is saying the same thing.
All I know is that Brad Hughes coaches several tour players and has been involved with John Erickson and Advanced Ball Striking early on. Looking forward to the next set of videos.
It's been nice to see Bradley get out there and work these concepts with some of the tour players and see the success that has happened. Bradley knew a lot of this stuff before we worked it into ABS, we just had to remind him of a lot of the good things he was doing before he got sidetracked by various instructors that didn't really understand how great Bradley's action was.
Thanks, gents. This is super interesting. Cant wait to see your lesson, B.
I really like your channel and when you interview people I also think you have many good points to make as a response and questions to ask. Just if you timed it a bit better and let them finish their point, that would be sublime.
i like that: hooking in & cutting out. Tnx.
When you think of exerting maximum impulse (force x time) on the ball as the important objective, this makes sense.
What john says also lines up with what long drivers preach.
Ok, I have watched every John Erickson video I can find going back 12 years on CZcams and I feel like I am getting several things. This journey Brandon is taking John (and his brand) down seems to be focused soley on finding the magic move (causing a puring and thus perfect sound due to proper shaft flex)
Whereas if I listen to John talk about his current game, he himself is a swinger and no longer trying to find the power move the pros make. I have gone down this journey myself and at 44, 6'2, 220 lbs can pure the ball with a sound like I have never dreamed of, distance beyond most of the pros with 8 year-old forged irons, and I have completely lost all my accuracy. My distances are up almost 40-45 yards on all my mid irons and up 30-35 on 7-9, up almost 20 yards on pw-58. But I am not finding pins, and the OTT pull or at a minimum the left miss is becoming my nemisis. I started following Brandon because I am trying to cure the OTT pull and left miss.
When I began noticing my pull tendency in my new swing my instincts were screwing at me that my longer and upright lie angles were part of the problem. Thus I was drawn to John's theory.
But John and Brandon, please frame all of this in context, should either of you, or me at our ages , be trying to get this perfect sound, or are all of us at an age where we should maybe focusing on being swingers instead of hitters. And could it simply be that John's method will eliminate pull/OTT for all hitters swingers or hitters with flatter lie angles.
John confirms what actually separated him from Norman and other greats was the putting. The very thing that seems to be what is holding me back the most.
What I discovered on my 40 year journey trying to understanding the golf swing is that starting the downswing with a slight amount of side bend to the right just before the completion of the backswing and then progressively increasing the amount of side bend through impact drops the hands to put bend in the shaft by pulling down against the inertia of the club head mass still traveling in the opposite direction (Penick’s magic move). Progressively increasing in the side bend keeping the hands pulling the lagging club mass to maintain the bend until the hands reach the bottom of their swing arc at which point momentum and gravity whip the club head mass around the hands.
I have a long torso / short legs which allows me to side bend a lot and maintain the bend in the shaft and release it with with so much force bending the shaft back forward I have snapped club heads off the shaft when failing to coordinating lifting the back foot to release hips, shoulders and hands to keep moving into the finish extension.
Allowing the club force to pull club and trail arm straight arrests its forward progress like a plane landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier and catching the arresting wire with the tail hook. I discovered allowing the club to extend so the remaining force gets countered by body mass and transmitted down arm, body and legs is the secret to a seemingly languid, well balanced finish move like Freddie Couples or Ernie Els.
When angling the front foot 22° as Hogan suggested in Five Lessons it is very easy to counter fall with body mass opposite the direction the club force is pulling to the right of the target line in the extension. On several occasions when my head came off the shaft as it was extending, snapped off at the hosel, it flew off to the right in the direction the front foot was pointing.
I love when he suggests to shorten your backswing and go hard as you can. 100% agree! This really seems to be what I’ve been trying to do with my swing. I’m a huge believer that Hogan was right and this is very close. Thanks for putting this out!
I agree, too many of us go too hard and never find the sweet spot creating optimum flight and distance. This was my problem for years and now it is about staying within myself. If I could go back in time I would have worked at this more and my thoughts are from there a person is able to go harder with skill because they are able to Master the technique at higher speeds.
Dude when you interview someone you should listen while they speak instead of waiting for the right time to interrupt
Lol, are you new to this channel
@@hazmat8770 why would it matter if he is new or not. Wouldn’t change the way he thinks about that
My thoughts exactly
Thank you
He has great guests but yeah he’s not a good listener. He waits to tell something he thinks.
Trying to maintain rearward shaft flex is a good intent, but I’ve never seen any hard evidence that any player has ever been able to deliver it to impact in a full swing, and that includes ultra high speed video, and True Temper shaft lab data which measured lead/lag of club head at impact. Literally every trace from True Temper showed about 1-2” of head lead at impact for every PGA Tour pro they’d measured and published. I’d agree that minimizing “lead”, and maintaining acceleration later into the downswing is likely why guys like Hogan & Tiger had a unique, deeper impact sound. I agree with John about timing and reducing face rotation through & post impact and how he describes it. I used to practice a lot with a Hogan 1 Iron too. 😀
Always interesting to hear Lag speak about the golf swing. That said, I don’t agree with everything he suggests. There are simply too many illusions in the golf swing. . .you can have lag without lag pressure. Feel isn’t always real but ultimately feel is what is the key to play great golf.
@@dominicxiong4901 I am quite aware of the illusions. Feel is what we need to focus upon.....as you said, golf is a game of feel. If those correct feelings help maintain shaft flex longer, then you need to trust them more than a concept that works against that objective.
@@RCGolf Here is a fact. The mass of the clubhead makes a difference in the compression of the golf ball... yet the scientists that create the machines (trackman, flightscope) that analyze the golf swing don't have a data entry point for this to be included in their analysis. Is this good science? There are other very important data points needed to get the complete picture. As of now, they are not there yet. I hope they get it right in the years to come.
@@lagpressure Another John here.... got to agree with #1 John here. We are not unidirectional golf machines. When you look at the pros, they can go from 10 under, to 5,,6 over, while à peer can go from 5..6 over to 10 under on the same days and course conditions. Nothing has changed except their luck, and how much they OWN their swing. I would like to own, if only partially, my swing. And for that reason I,m all in !
I WAS very interested, until I saw the price of his modules! $1500!?! Wtf!
JE is as good as it gets.
I found if I maintain pressure with my right side, it is subtle. I am not trying to hold lag, but I am pushing on the back of the handle and extending through the shot. With this feel I am applying constant pressure through impact. Think of chopping wood. This pressure for my swing needs to constant but I have to be careful not to overdo it by allowing the hands to be too active. You can feel the speed just by keeping the left hand on the club and using the right hand as a lever acting as a trigger. I know some swingers will have a more of a pulling feel. I believe the method I am describing to be very accurate with irons, fairway woods. This release happens and the feel will probably be different for each individual. Using momentum to start the swing and a subtle push of the handle will get very good results, once you groove a more constant pressure through impact one should see better distance control and strike. This is my experience working on my swing. The added benefit is less effort. The challenge is honing the skill so it is natural. This works great with all clubs. The driver is the one club I tend to struggle with. Modern driver heads throw me off. My best driver was the Titleist 905S and backup was the 905R. Sound and feel were amazing. I may need to have a lighter swing weight with driver? Or consider going to a heavier head and have it at 44 or 44.5 inches. Lastly I also tend to get my body in better positions by letting my hands do what they are supposed to do. When I throw a ball my body naturally will open up and extend towards my target. If I focus on what the body should do I get mediocre results. I believe that video and coaches can help with these mechanics but the best golfers will control the club with their hands and the body will respond accordingly.
That forearm move is Ben Hogan's "Hitching ride to victory"........ love it!
The flat swing makes ball compression so much easier.
Yes it really does. Study Hogan..
I think the big thing for me is shaft flex through the ball. In the swingers pattern, I tend to lose the feel of the clubhead in PP #3 just after the release point. If I focus on driving the hands and creating or maintaining shaft flex from the release point through the ball, everything changes. More solid contact, distance and control. Hook in and cut out is what creates or helps maintain the clubshaft flex through the ball. Drive the hands, monitor the hands.
Wow! Very interesting. Cant wait to see you in action. Thanks
Personally, these feels are very close to home for me and my natural swing, but Malaska would probably have a stroke listening to this 😂
When Malaska speaks of “tipping out the shaft” he is showing you the “swingers version” of how to get the club back out in front of you. What John Erickson is showing when he describes a “hitter” is the exact same “tipping out the shaft” concept only done much more aggressively. This is key to understanding how to load the hands with a hinging motion (think: Hogans bowed left wrist). Hogan stands the club up in the exact same way Malaska describes in Joe Nickoles teachings.
If you look at your body, arms and the club are all the components of a pivot door. And the pivot in the door is your spine. If you pivot around the spine your left shoulder would then swing around to the left and the right shoulder would swing around closing the door, so to speak
Correct...
@@lagpressure I watched à video of à lady instructor à couple of days ago, women have such graceful swing, and they are cute! Ez on the eyes, To her point, Érica was her name, I believe, she was saying the body swings the arms , not the opposite. I immediately thought of à movie, Wag the dog. Without à club, I notice an increase in speed. John m
Great part 2!!
Thx Christain
What is maintaining shaft flex mean.? What is 4:30 and 7:30 refer to exactly?
John's Forum where these things are discussed.
Open Club face. Reminds me of ur conversation with AJ.
They're describing what Peter Kostis called the in-to-in swing. There is "action" and "reaction" in the golf swing (because whenever you apply forces, there is always an action and reaction) but not in the way most people think where centripetal force and centrifugal force are often confused. Mostly irrelevant to the golfer who just needs to know how to apply centripetal force - if you don't, the club goes flying off at a tangent!
If you believe Peter Kostis has any answers, along with confusing yourself with centripetal force (the reaction force to centrifugal force) then you are spinning your wheels. Without centrifugal force you have no centripetal force. If you do not understand how to generate real acceleration by having the weight of the club head controlled by the movement of the left hip-then everything else is essentially a moot point.
No, without centripetal force, you have no centrifugal force. If you want anything to move, say, in an approximate circle - the golf club, then you need to apply centripetal force. If you fail to apply this inward force, it will fly off at a tangent just like your reply or when you throw a club after a bad shot!
John I find your theory quite intriguing. I am 66 years old, have been playing golf for 54 years. The last three years I have lost so much distance. I found and instructor that works on ground forces along with shoulder tilt and hip tilt. At my age this puts so much strain on my back I cannot do what he wants. Your instruction appears to not cause issues with the lower back. Am I correct or not?
I would tend to think the opposite, but with a caveat. Doing as he says is almost only possible for young athletic, muscular guys (see Jon Rahm etc). But this will be short lived and the likes of Jon Rahm will be short hitters by the time they reach the senior tour. On the other hand, if you build a golf swing that almost only relies on large muscle groups and good ground interaction, you may keep your long drives for a long, long time. The key is to adapt the swing to suit your body, while still keeping the concept of ground forces and large muscles in play. Find positions to maximize torque in a way that is natural to your body. (sources: disabled golfer over 40, with one arm only and rather poor flexibility, using almost only my legs and hips to thrust the club, hitting 260 ish drives, PhD in engineering and biomechanics for the torque blabla)
If your having trouble with your back, you might like to look at Jim Venetos, he has improved my ball striking no end and taken the strain out of my back, I'm 65.
Hi, great content. Can you explain the path 4:30 to 7:30 or hook your way in cut your way out? Does this relate to the club head or hands or shaft - I got lost with this part of the conversation. For me I would imagine swinging the club. head from the inside and then cutting across the ball through impact - is that the concept? Thanks Jim
Don’t feel bad. I don’t get it, either, specially the “cut your way out at 7:30” concept.
@@temporarystranger95 If you let go of the club at impact, it will hit the ground and bounce off the ground and away from you. Where I am at P4 (parallel post impact) there is no way the club is going to get there unless I pull viciously against that outward force. This pull or as we call it "the orbit pull" is key to putting feel into our hands and then allows us access to the much more advanced option for shaping the shots as we need. 5 yard fades and draws at will become simple and easy to execute with reliability and under pressure.
At slower speeds, you could come into impact from inside or under plane, then post impact work the shaft left, or also under plane on the exit. We use the 4:30 and 7:30 lines as entry and exit intentions. Think of a clock. The flight line or traditional plane like would go through 9 o clock and 3 o clock. 6 o clock would be our ball position marker. Because we are looking down from a birds eye view of our swing plane, we see the clubhead moving in a circle. Now as we increase speed, the intention to hook our way in and cut our way out becomes less and less visible.... but that doesn't mean that the opposing forces creating a dynamic swing plane don't exist. This is very real stuff... and a much better way to move the golf club through the strike zone.
@@lagpressure thank you so much for taking the time to reply - I get it now. I’m really enjoying this content from you 👍👍
@@lagpressure John , I hope there is a video,s explaining this . I have been applying math to my swing, at 60 plus years, hoping to find à lot of lost yardage ! Can you analyze my swing vidéo ? John m
definitely an athletic move to come in at 430 and exit hard left but here we go...
John.... I use a linear A to B type of swing. Slight shoulder turn. Both hands near my right shoulder. Both elbows completely bent with trail wrist in full flexion. From there, I post up on the lead leg and thrust downward as fast as I can straighten my elbows to full extension, with the trail wrist maintaining pressure on the shaft until it releases at impact. This places a tremendous amount of pressure on the backside of the shaft keeping it loaded deep into the swing and releasing thru the ball. Easily repeatable and creates a lot of speed thru the golf ball.
wow where'd ya learn that?
Very interesting
Facial expression cracks me up - brendon clearly thinks: oh, thats completely different from what i heard before. Like grip pressure, forearm rotation etc.
Golfswing complicated. Its a real puzzle still, and teachers start to go back to what has been taught decades ago. I guess the only common demoninator nowadays is, gotta hit it long to compete.
Brendon still comes across the line in transition in his swing videos. But hey, like christo garcia now swears on, over the top is the new move... ? So funny, we all pick on li'l goldnuggets, sometimes referred to as grail, but they mostly hold up only for a while and then problems again. Thats part of the fun in golf, though, always arrive on the course in the morning and believe you have it now. Only to go home back in the evening being beat up - most of the times. And wife doesn't understand, supposed to be a real fun day while she was doing the dish and cared for the kids. It's a sport full of hope and compassion and humility. But once in a while we shine. Never forget, casual golf is a privileg - from any perspective.
Love what u having going on here. Just watched the hogan deconstruct part 2 and you seem to be the closest to hogan that I have seen. The only thing that looks to me to be different is I don't think u are rolling the right ankle through impact like hogan(?). Would this cause u to come up a LITTLE at impact. Not trying to be critical just looks a little different but like I said I haven't seen anybody this close to him. Thx for what your doing
Hi John, I think we played Valley Club in the 80's w/ my club pro Louie Garcia, I can attest you were striping it. Btw you mentioned Mac O', I remember him saying a key is Less forearm rotation?
At 5 mins in John said, 'The longer you hold that ball on the clubface....' experts say this is not possible, 0.4 milliseconds is ball on face duration, you cannot hold the ball on the clubface, so what's that all about?
As I said in my last post, interesting stuff, look forward to the next installment and wish I understood more of what your guest is talking about. The quest for the holy grail. We are all looking for a better method so I am a sucker for new or reframed information.
It will make more sense when you see us trying to put it into action. That’s the hope anyway I’m going up there tomorrow
@@BEBETTERGOLF ….. For whatever this may be worth so that you can possibly address John with this specific terminology. What John was discussing when he described the club face as essentially moving STRAIGHT “through” and STRAIGHT “past” impact in what would be a SQUARE POSITION as the HANDS continue to move LEFT (around the body) is called “Pinning The Shaft.” Use this terminology when discussing this with John in future videos. Lee Trevino and Johnny Miller were experts at PINNING THE SHAFT!!!! Erickson is very familiar with this terminology as it is key to understanding the ultimate ingredient-ACCELERATION!!!!
Best of luck with your future John Erickson videos, he is an absolute wealth of knowledge.
@@lookmil107 interesting observation! Is there more info, videon on pinning the shaft ?
@@jmack619 …… “Pinning the shaft” is mentioned is some of the videos done by Bradley Hughes too. Both John Erickson and Hughes are both “hold the flex” proponents, “pinning the shaft” largely describes holding the shaft flex past impact to the point where the hands continue to move left but the club head (face) is still moving along the line of flight. Swingers DO NOT pin the shaft-only hitters.
@@lookmil107 drill to pin the shaft? tuck the left elbow on follow through or just pull it left or both? tia
NOOOOOO !!! Not stairway to heaven !! Seriously, at 60 plus, I am running out of time here! I have wasted à few decades on not knowing the right game, for me. I think à good golfer could make almost all these systems work. I just need to be married to ONE. Hopefully this is it ?
The modules are super expensive. Perhaps lower the cost. Quality in quantity perhaps?
And they always have that sweater on !
Big forearms? How about Chi Chi Rodríguez?
Looking forward to see the next video. IF i try and follow the method, will i have to have my clubs altered/lie flattened? Cheers Pal
You don't have to flatten your clubs, but the flatter you can get them, the straighter you will hit the ball. Also, the flatter the clubs naturally put the clubshaft more behind your body at transition so you can turn more aggressively into the strike and not come OTT as easily. So many advantages once you realize it conceptually and put it into action. Brendon's assistant Michael tried my heavy and 6 degree flat 1 iron and was hitting beautiful shots with a piercing ball flight. characteristics. It was very impressive!
@@lagpressure Thanks, i appreciate the reply. Cant wait to see the next videos
I always thought this
I am so much looking forward to watch more of this 👍👍
Does this fly in the face of Ian’s teaching on txg about forward deflection of the shaft at impact?
Ian is a club fitter, not a swing expert
Would love to see you both in a vid. Keep it up guys
Yeah we are getting together for a couple days starting tomorrow to film a ton of content
@@BEBETTERGOLF right on looking fwd to it. He’s totally right about the he plane slot. I shot 79 from the blues and its the best feeling ever when it’s connected.
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Hope that this is much more informative and inside stuff with Bradley. Loveing the Bradley ideas. But in these early days hard to understand and follow 🙈
Keep up the great work and search. Cheers from Germany
@@teeno684 explain the plane in plain language! Just playing with words, but it sounds almost like a baseball swing. Is there more vids that you know of ? John m
@@jmack619 a video with Lee Dietrich was the one that I felt like he broke down the path for me. Hope it works for you
Interesting stuff Brendan.
I think you may find the movement patterns a bit different to that you have been doing with Dr Kwon.
There is a ton of stuff on the GolfAus Channel from years ago with Bradley Hughes. I assume that John is advocating the same approach.
Bradley Hughes is or at least was a student of John's.
There is not one shred of evidence that he maintains golf flex through impact. Use one of the following to prove the integrity of this claim:
ShaftLab (TrueTemper no longer makes nor supports it. Hard to find these days.)
GEARS (Up-and-coming motion capture system)
ENSO or other super-high-speed video systems. (Fast enough to eliminate rolling shutter artifacts like distortion of shaft bend.)
Any camera with a fast global shutter.
Even some of the strongest /fastest long drivers who exert wrist torque on the grip to release their clubs cannot get lagging shaft bend approaching impact.
Just when I was convinced of the dead hands, light grip pressure, natural dynamic passive release forces of the Trebuchet effect, here comes something completely counter to that. I believe he knows what he is talking about, but how many swing changes do we have to make to find "The Secret"? Golf is hard!
Who knew à ball and à stick could be this complicités, with super opposite opinions by experts! I just want à 250 yard drive... in the short grass. 8 out of 10 times, and it feels like I,m asking to walk on water ! !
@@jmack619 Amen
I mastered walking on water already, still cant figure out this damn swing
@@frankdebellis2879 John: 619... Jésus walks on water.... Me To !
I am not getting the 4:30, hook your way in. 7:30, cut your way out. I need more of a reference to what that means. Can anybody enlighten me?
I have heard other coaches advocate this approach as well. Segio is a good example of a player who is shallow early in transition "hooks his way in" and then steepens the shaft thru impact. Most amateurs are steep in transition and then have to early extend or right side bend late to shallow the shaft in order to hit the ball. If the end of the shaft is pointing outside the ball on the down swing, it is shallow and then the shaft must be steepened to hit the ball. To steepen the shaft late, swing hard left or "cut your way out" If the end of the shaft is pointing inside the ball on the downswing, it is steep and needs to be shallowed late.
I would like to see the golfer on the clock and illustrate the 4:30 and 7:30
@@luisjuarez1200 if you were looking at the swing from above, the ball is 12 o’clock, behind you is 6 o’clock. You want the club approaching the ball from a 430 position
Check out Bradley Hughes 4.30 swing path. These guys work together
@@mikebarnard2689 Thanks, that helped
I want to know if there are any affordable cameras with a global sitter suitable for golf swings at high speeds
Yes, let me know as well.... a good global shutter camera would clear up a lot of the contentious arguments. I could easy show that holding shaft flex is attainable and should be the goal of an ideal golf swing.
I think it would help your viewers if you let the guest finish their thoughts instead of interrupting them with another question or point. Just a suggestion.
Thank you. I was about to comment the same thing.
Completely agree. Especially on these webcam chats it's important
Never going to happen. Been watching for years and its just in Brendon's DNA. But got to appreciate his desire to understand the guest, its good intention, but he is making it harder to understand, agreed.
It seemed there was a slight delay between each other's feed but that may be me making an excuse for the interruptions ;)
I couldn’t agree more! Very annoying. BUT, it’s his show and he can pretty much do as he pleases! I am just grateful for his passion and sharing the wisdom of these different instructors.
Omg i think i found another rabbit hole!
Rabbit hole of the week.
I love swing theories. This guest is awesome
Thx Mark
Does this mean it’s not a swing for most ladies
So here we are,swingers verses hitters,the never ending discussion. So we look at Arnie (hitter) and one of the all time greats and Byron ( swinger ) one of my all time favorites.Depending on your ATTRIBUTES one style will work for you.Bottom line is a pro can help you decide which style works best for you.
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Oh man...this guy sounds like that "one guy" in every weekend group. Making shit up as he goes along.
Have you walked the same fairway as him?
@@ElvisPriscillaPresley yeah he did, but not on the same day.
Amazing content by John Erickson. The instruction he and Bradley Hughes were doing years ago was some of the best instruction ever presented. I truly do feel sorry for guys like John Erickson having to continually readdress the many idiots who simply are so stupid that they are 100% incapable of developing a single thought they can call their own. Everything must be presented to these idiots on a silver platter along with answering their completely idioc questions. Thanks John for everything.
Clubface Looks open to the target but not the path
George Knutson . Great Canadian kid! Forgive tha spelling George
seems he always had that right foot back, probably helped him get to 430 easier
how does a right hand player get to the 4:30 position
Check News at 4. I cannot help in any way! Are you talking am? Pm ?
get a stick and lay it out at 430 from the ball going back, swing down that line ...
@@gzman1 thank you Derek. Where is 12 , 6, and 7,30 ? Much appreciated
Middle of the clock is the ball, the clock is on the ground facing you. 3 is straight back . 6 is between your legs, 12 is above the ball, got it?
How come so many teachers talk about forward deflection at impact
Forward shaft deflection? Not a term I am familiar with. Do you mean the shaft bending the opposite direction...like looking at a "C" from caddy view? When I think of deflection I think of some kind of movement due to a collision of sorts.
i like his ideas, but he reminds me of someone that should be on adult swin
Interesting but not for me.
Thanks guys
Man I paid for John’s classes 6-7 years ago. Made it through mod 1 and started mod 2. My game completely fell apart and I went from a 2 handicap to not being able to break 90.
I don’t think he is wrong. I also don’t my learning style worked with the modules. I could never understand the intent of what he was trying to teach. Or maybe I am just a swinger.
I probably learned more here than I did in the actual modules/forums.
Good luck with the journey and I hope you have more success with him than I did.
I'm shocked that you would continue to play after putting yourself through this. So many of the things he's saying go against the natural way your body wants to move, fitting that he says he doesn't practice or play golf.
@@scottbullock1027 A great golf swing is not a natural move. If it was, there would be people that could just pick up a club and hit it great right away. Never seen that. Never. It's a difficult move that must be learned, hit or swing. Similar to playing a piano. Never seen anyone play great the first time they sat down on a piano bench. One of the great things in life is learning and acquiring a new skill set.
Sorry to hear this and I can understand your frustration. However, I have never had a Module 6 Graduate say their golf didn't improve significantly. There is more to the swing than the first two modules. If you took your car into the shop and asked for a rebuild, and the mechanic didn't finish the job, probably wouldn't have great results... similar to what you experienced.
@@scottbullock1027 love of the game!The journey back to good golf taught me a lot. Learned a lot more about the swing from a lot of different swing methods. Learned to play golf instead of golf swing better. Really improved my short game and putting. Defined the key parts of my swing. Got down to a +2 last summer.
Then had a baby! I still get around the course in the 70s most of the time.
@@lagpressure don’t you think that is a bit of self selective criteria? People who are improving with your training will be more inclined to stick with it. Where as people who struggle like I did stop your courses before they do more damage.
Again I don’t think that you are wrong. I just know that it is not for me. And I know because I beat a duffel bag full of carpet for 3 months and got significantly worst at golf.
You are a better golfer than me, you have a better understanding of the swing, you have taught more golfer than me, I can understand the gap between your game and mine. So please don’t take this as criticism. I am just sharing my experience.
Hook your way in and cut your way out??? 4:30 coming in and 7:30 going out??? More and better explanation is needed of this concept (that seems essential to his swing theory).
Watch Hogan... nothing more need be said really...
Target line is 3-9 o’clock. 12 o’clock is looking straight ahead, and 6 o’clock is straight behind. Halfway between 3 and 6 o’clock is 4:30. You can call it delivery, P5 in Morad, or P3 in ABS. From the golfer’s POV it looks and feels like it’s 45 degrees to the target line even though that’s a bit of an optical illusion. Club exit, therefore is on the other side at 7:30.
Hooking your way in refers to feeling the face pointing at the sky and using forearm rotation to rapidly close it to square by the time it hits the ball, and then keeping it from closing thereafter is slicing out.
How to achieve the cohesive pressures to feel and do that is the straw that stirs the drink, and that I think is what Mr. Erickson is offering in his teachings. Not just the positions to hit, but how to build the strength to reliably hit them and feel the tension and pressures to create them.
Effortful and effortless all at once.
Btw, I believe that Hal Sutton fella once referred to delivering a loaded shaft into impact as “the glory”. He knew.
@@SwingLowLeft Thank you for your lengthy response. Your explanation sheds light on the 7:30 exit (I get the 4:30:delivery). I am at a loss for the release pattern, however. It seems like he is advocating a lot of clubface rotation into impact (hook it in), but then holding it off post impact (cut it out). That is a strange feel for me. Not sure how to create that feel, too. I definitely need more demonstration. Thanks again. 👊👊
@@SwingLowLeft You described it all more eloquently than I did! Spot on...good description. We could use you on the ABS forum!
@@temporarystranger95 I’m sure you could contact Mr. Erickson for more. In short, I suspect it’s the antithesis of what has often been up to this point considered modern teaching. No willy nilly firing of the lower body at the ball and hoping the arms and club head time out correctly to keep the ball on the planet.
It would be hard to accelerate the club through the ball in intent or actuality in that manner. Impossible to bring a loaded shaft to bear that way.
Think of it as the opposite of that kind of teaching. The arms and club are dropped to delivery and the body stays relatively,compared to modern teaching, closed. No popping up on the trail foot a la Mike Austin, but loading into it instead. Now you’ve got something to turn with from delivery to the finish. The body has ample range of motion to make it happen.
You’re starting to see nuggets of this reappearing with teachers today. Monte talks about zipper away and releasing to 8 o’clock, Malaska tips the club out while keeping the body closed and others are noticing world #1 Scotty Scheffler’s sliding feet that would make Greg Norman blush. Mac O’Grady mentioned it in one video where the hips act as stabilizers until impact and Jack never tried to turn into the ball.
Get the club to delivery in this manner and now you’re able to slice your way out, and it’s up to you to figure out how to feel it. Some like the linear forces in pushing a loaded lead hip out of the way. I’m a fan. Others spin hard with the hips and and lead shoulder. I personally like the former to create the latter because I feel I can put more on the ball that way.
The release is more of the horizontal hinge combing back in to vogue.
I could ramble on, but hopefully you get the drift and can seek the advice of someone who can really teach it. They’re out there.
charley hoffman.
Good Lord, you talk all over your guest.
Too bad the guy in blue shirt keeps interupting and cutting him off, everytime he starts explaing details....❗️
The guy interviewing or asking question is too much. He's interupting constantly while he's getting the answers. Just let the guy talk.
Somebody wake up Sam Snead and tell him that he was doing it wrong with his head remaining virtually still throughout the swing. Oh, and tell Nicklaus that Jack Grout was full of it, too.
He needs to demonstrate the swing. Confusing
*LMAO*
Yes but if you were to hit a golf ball in space, it would go a very long way !!!
Definitely à par 5!
How silly of me to think I finally figurered out and understood the golf swing. I should've known better 🤦 🤣
Right.....We should of took up bowling.
So has Brendan completely abandoned the Dr Kwon methodology?
No
@@BEBETTERGOLF so what are you doing with Erickson then? Seems like you bounce from instructor to instructor so often it would be impossible to maintain anything. Not a criticism per se, but some of these instructors are completely at odds with one another
I’m confident that this approach can destroy anyone’s golf game. This course of instruction will pass by and Brendon will leave in far, far in the rear view.
Steve, John has taken my game from being off 5 or 6 for over 20 years to +1. He knows exactly what he is talking about.
@@ngascoigne I’m sure he’s helped many golfers. But I would bet that if you looked at the population of golfers looking at CZcams videos for help, maybe one in 50 would absorb and effectively use this departure from orthodoxy, with all its drills and steps. I would bet nothing in this course of instruction will be part of Brendon’s journey in six months, and that’s no offense to Ericsson. This approach is one of those specialized singular offshoots from Main Street that would take your average CZcams guy down a rabbit hole for a couple of years. And he’s so insistent that his path is THE path! Would he have told Snead to stop holding his head so still?
@@bernardsamson9565 yeah, took a few years to change a golf swing. But after being stuck for 20 years it didn't seem long at all. Check out John's forum 60 thousand posts on his teachings.
Just set up in your impact position and go back from there. Forget about all the other nonsensical Kermit the frog stuff.
This is way different from the rest if the teacher's talking about a open clubface
In his swings with the 1 iron, it does look like he squares the face to the arc real quick in transition so maybe he was only referring to the takeaway?
I think when he says open it's relative to his pivot and moment arm (left shoulder/armpit). Not necessarily the club face to ball relationship.
This guy will fuck up your swing like no tomorrow. He doesn't play golf hardly any more. That's all you need to know.
completely lost, if you can't tell me something in simple terms than I don't believe you understand it!
Dude, stop talking over him! Geez!!! Annoying!! Can't hear two people talking at once. Please!!!
I would like to agree with the comment that it would be helpful if you let your interviewees finish their thoughts. No offense, but it you go over your videos you’ll note that this is a habit of yours, probably hard to break.
This guy will screw up your swing
Wow! Cannot believe this guy is teaching all this. “Timing is the enemy of golfers.” - David Duvall. Rotating that left forearm hard translates into a lot of club face rotation, which makes timing the strike extremely difficult for consistent hits. Tom Watson, in his first book, said the secret of the golf swing was the rotation of the left forearm. In his second book, written decades later, Timeless Swing, he doesn’t even mention that action. He understood how damaging was that action. You want to play army golf … left, right … left, right … left, right…. work on trying to rotate that left forearm hard through the swing. I totally disagree that he thinks he is taking timing out of it.
Completely agree. this is going to do nothing but fug up your game.
Timing issues happen when you have a lot of clubface rotation post impact. We don't do that and don't teach that. There is technique to taking the timing out of the swing. There is zero timing element in my golf swing. Clubface works at right angles to the pivot rotation. Golfers that have a rapidly closing clubface post impact are out of sync with their rotation. We don't do that. When you understand the "orbit pull" then you would see how this works to stabilize the clubface through the strike.
@@lagpressure Thank you for your response. No club face rotation after impact. I like that, for sure. However, I do not get the “orbit pull” concept. Brandon said he is going up to see you in person soon. Maybe an explanation/demonstration of that concept will help with my understanding. Thanks again fir taking the time to explain. 👊👊
Its pretty obvious, you have never played any high level sports and don't comprehend how the formarms actually work. if you had to throw a punch and break a guy's nose would you be rotating your arm or just bring it back and fourth. its people like you that keep incompetent instructors in the business. Using your logic they mind as well shut down AMG golf and throw away GEAR software.