⚡EUC SUSPENSION GUIDE | BEGODE MASTER & KINGSONG S18/S22, REVIEW [4K]
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EUC Suspension guide, ultimate review of suspension electric unicycles KingSong S18, KingSong S22, Begode Master, Begode Hero, Inmotion V11
00:00 Intro
00:46 EUC Comparison
01:30 First Impressions
03:26 Speed and Acceleration
04:36 EUC Torque
05:38 Electric Unicycle Suspension
09:30 Track Test
10:29 Conclusions
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What is the best suspesnion electric unicycle in your opinion ?
Begode T4
S22 not made out of plastic like begode, good headlights unlike begode, best suspension out right now unlike begode that tried to copy it, better price point then competition
@@skiddysm how is the slider in s22?
@@24lenard a guy made roller sliders for the s22 improves it alot! Only costs 70$ or you can 3d print it yourself for free! The s22 is already better then the Master in suspension but doing this greatly improves the suspension even more on the s22 solving all the issues
@@skiddysm where is your video regarding that? Do you own any EUC?
You guys are doing something wrong if the master was the slowest up your hill and the S18 was the fastest. The S18 is severely lacking in power... If I lean into mine hard at all it starts beeping and I can easily overpower it
30* slope, 90kg rider, if you have the same parameters and could not get uphill then just train more all is about skill
@@ekolkacz Yet he couldn't do it with the Master?
S18 is a smaller wheel which increases torque. but i don’t know what the final torque would be with the different motors.
I have the S18 it's a relatively light wheel and a great climber over rough ground. I have just ordered the Master, more power and torque than the S18 for sure, but a heavy wheel with high footplates. Of course its going to be easier on the S18, like a mini is easier to drive than a ferrari, doesn't mean it's better exactly - maybe it is :-)
Yea I am 90kg , and i have s18 and ridden a master up a 30 degree slope. Both have aftermarket pads of similar design. Master definitely went up faster
"We *only* make high quality content!"
It's been a while since I've watched your videos, but this video actually blew me away with how high quality it was.
Thank you 🙏
Fully agree! Video is superb!
This is the best EUC video I've ever seen... Sheeeesh- yall are amazing
Tnx mate :)
Great content. Thanks!
Nice video as always
That yellow S22 looks dope!
Thanks!
Thx man :)
this guy got a *smooth* voice bruh
You guys put out some of the best EUC content on CZcams. Well done!!
Tnx man 😌
Thanks for all of the info!
I am happy owner of S18, and only thing that hurts me is range / massive drop of the performance under ~70% battery. I've put ~2000km on this wheel and surely can recommend it for city riding / small-medium jumps.
Btw. that is very strange you've got worst climbing result on master. Adam from wrongway did on it sic 45deg climb.
We are not saying that it is not possible to do it at 45* slope but you are not Adam neither I, we made not synthetic test but real life test as it will be somewhere in the forest
@@ekolkacz Surely im not complaining about your test, it was done very insightful!
Im just wondering about masters results due to its power/capabilities. One thing that comes to my mind is that Master may be harder to controll in such environment and and need a little bit more to get used to it.
@@nativeme2143 Try click on their website.
I upgraded battery pack to Molicel P42a - no more power dip problems… great for paths and lite off-road…so good upgrading to these other wheels is a more difficult choice!
@@ekolkacz While the torque test was insightful, it was not really measuring torque. Obviously, the master is the most torquey wheel of the 3 BY FAR. What you measured was your riding ability, and it seems a heavier wheel made it hard for you.
It's not a bad test, but you shouldn't label it as "torque".
Awesome comparisons. And genuinely unbiased !
I think Begode Master with Grizzla protection and pads is the best. When you climb în video you can't push enough to go faster with the Master, is a great well, probably not ouț of the box, need some DIY for protection and more easy control.
There is something called a "progressive coil spring" (Cars already have them) that instead of a linear hardness give you a square hardness. Thus, when going over small bumps i compresses easy but if you land hard then it gets harder and harder until it get to a very hard spring.
Yes you can buy it for bicycles also, price is around 100-150 usd for coil
4:55 - Torque doesn't determine acceleration while riding?
5:15 - S18 was the best and the Master the weakest, at a 30 degree slope?
another video or more info on the kingsong s22?
S22 in stock now 😀
I agree the stock Master shock is a bottoming out piece of crap. But some pump it up to 400+ psi and claim to be able to live with it. I replaced mine with Fox Float X. It was a painful process, but result is good. Not Perfect. Still not as good as my stock s18 on bumps. I posted 2 videos with details. Kuba looks like a better Master upgrade solution. It changes the shock geometry and that kit should bolt in easy. I would love if you posted more videos on the S22 with air shocks! S22 with air shock vs Master with Kuda kit would be the ultimate comparison.
if you change shock, tire, powerpads, fix pedal deep than it will be much better, but it has sense even if you are urban rider and need high speeds
So all the reviewers exciting about Master torque, speed and power are wrong? They say that Master has the torque of HT motor and speed of the HS motor. Master also dominates at Amped electric games, but you are fastest with S18. Really interesting :D.
Interesting take on suspension wheels. The S18 looks more nimble compared to other wheels. Probably the lighter weight difference helps. I'm surprised the S18 had more torque up the hill.
The light weight of the S18 probably allowed them to maintain higher momentum from the start and up the hill
Start was from 0km/h almost without any momentum
@@ekolkacz Ok gotcha! I currently have a V10F and am looking to upgrade. I have been thinking (for weeks now) trying to decide if Im going to go with the v12HS, KS S22, or Sherman Max. Right now the Kingsong S22 is at the top due to suspension. However, Inmotion delivers a complete product (but small wheel, wobbles, and not as fast). The sherman is heavy but powerful and can be customized to no end. Anyway your videos help me to make a more informed decision.
We are working with clients daily and there are a lot of misleading reviews in internet, watching it people are buying “the fastest”
or “the most powerfull” and suffer from it :)
Higher voltage wheels. It takes a certain power to ride at a certain speed. All things being equal this means the voltage is irrelevant. W=VI. That is for the required power if the voltage is less the current will be higher. So why higher voltage wheels? well I=V/R therefore for a given resistance (impedance if you like) a higher voltage has the potential to deliver more current. Higher voltage and more current, more power (W=VI) again. To deliver more power means potentially more speed and torque depending on how the motor is wired. The down side of these higher voltages, well it stresses the control board more, so components with have to be spec'ed for the higher voltage, and the potential to deliver more current needs consideration as well. Higher voltages can lead to higher spikes which is a Mosfet failure mode dV/dt, something else that will have to be considered in the design. For a given capacity of battery (Whr), how they are wired will impact on how much current they can deliver. Two 4.2V cells in series, would be 8.4V with a maximum discharge rate of say 10A. Two 4.2V cell in parallel would be still be 4.2V but now the maximum discharge capacity is 20A. Since W=VI the same power can be drawn from either configuration and the capacity of those batteries would be the same. The difference, the 8.4V will more readily supply a load if demanded, even though its ability to supply the current is half of the other configuration. That is to say it is easier for the controller board to demand current from the 8.4V battery than the 4.2V one.
Suspension, I have the S18 and I love it. I also ride a 16X and although these are similar machines in many ways (the 16X has more range and torque), the S18 on rough ground, bumps and drops cannot be beaten. It is also safer if you encounter unexpected pot holes, ruts in the road.
I have just ordered the Master, we shall see :-) Your review seems to centre on off road riding (part of the reason the S18 did so well - off road favours lighter machines), I intend to use the master on the street. Bottoming the suspension is less of a concern if you are not riding knarly tracks, or taking it down stairs. Further I think the Begode has rebound adjustment now, and given a suitable pump you are able to raise the shock pressure to around 300psi.
Your torque test. Climbing on the S18 is easier and the suspension on soft ground offers better traction than on the 16X, but that's a little misleading. With pads the 16X is far more capable (power and torque) and the S18 is in danger of being over powered . I have found the motor on the S18 feels, sounds, a bit like a coffee grinder near the limit.
Not pedals, foot plates. You can't pedal an EUC :-)
Good video - only a personal opinion not everyone agrees :-)
I feel like Jerry from Rick and morty is trying to teach me about suspension wheels
Great video
I have a S18 and have put a few hundred miles on my new S22, love both wheels, both are good for different reasons, but love the S18 for its plush suspension and the S22 for its hardcore heavy hitting suspension for large jumps and drops, something in the middle would be my preference and you can adjust the sliders on the S22 if you think the suspension is too stiff so there are options which a lot of people don’t know about
Only wish on the S18 is the voltage sag, and the force needed to activate good torque on the S22
i equiped mine S22 with 400 lbs spring and it felt right at the middle =)
@@ekolkacz could you please link it
@@AndreiPetunin www.ekolka.cz/pruzina-tlumice-dnm-450-lbs--cerna--pro-kingsong-s22/
Master you got to remember to add like 40 pounds for the wheel too. So 310 PSI maybe. Cheers
early thoughts on T4 suspension?
Built on Master base, will have all the same problems.
@@ekolkacz but you’re spending less money
I'm kind of confused. On one hand really thorough and interesting video, on the other hand one glaring flaw of S22 was completely omitted. The open suspension tray on s22 is an atrocious design.
My V11 is crying now - why was she not invited.
How did you make it yellow 0:35 because I want that.
Paint it by ourself :)
@@ekolkacz Those suspension arms were 3d printed? If so that doesn't seem very safe.
@@benjaminm5232 paint it by ourself, sorry
FYI "soft suspension and high pedals" are an advantage - not a disadvantage, lol.
1:48 Power pads on s18 looks so ridicilous with 1150 wh battery😂
Yep, but control and overall feeling from EUC is at another level, and it is ridden by 7 y.o. kid he had not enough weight to push so pads are necessity :)
T4 pro or s22 ?
T4 or Extreme or Patton or S16 or V14 - this is the same class Eucs
No they arent really .. extreme ..patton v14 r super heavy ..in weight class ..they r far out ..as they r 80 lbs n up..ig the s22 is 77 lb but the t4 is only at 70lbs ..
My question is if u have to pick between the t4 or s22 what would it be..
If you are on a budget get T4.if not S22
i bought a begode master , the accelaration is so slow that i can't even stay on my wheel , idk if it's suspension problem too
wut
This even received a
@@lubokanev7436 haha yeah but i'm still lost , i put all my weight at front , i still move too slow 😅
Если педали уходят вниз при повороте - у колеса скорее всего не откалиброван горизонт.
Это прошивка, калибрация тут не при чем :)
@@ekolkacz На всякий случай упомяну, что с 2014 года я езжу на EUC каждый день и ездил почти на всех выпущенных EUC. Если калибровка не полностью вертикально в сторону, то именно так и происходит!!! Мой Мастер не опускает педали ни на грамм! Последними, которые были подробно протестированы, являются Kingsong S22 и Begode Master. Gotway/Begode дает полную мощность только тому гонщику, который посмеет сильно залезть на него/наклонить его! Это создает у менее смелого водителя обманчивое впечатление, что мощности не хватает! Если сильно наклонить KS22, он просто рычит и полностью отключается! Begode Master подходит только для серьезных райдеров :) . Другие не чувствуют его полной силы, потому что им не хватает мужества, чтобы давить. Разгон с нуля до 80 км/ч за 2,5 секунды, проверенный очень смелыми пацанами на Мастере. KS S22 даже рядом не стоит :( . Извините! Не мог не упомянуть! Конечно, каждому свое лучшее EUC. Все равно всем удачи!
@@superbiglama кстати поддержу. То что мастер хуже всех въехал в горку ... это отпугнуло многих от этого видео обзора.
Да, правду иногда тяжело принять :)
@@user-ze6hg1my6d Не волнуйтесь :). Такой результат был возможен только потому, что водитель слишком мало толкнул! Ведь CZcams Arstyle czcams.com/video/BYuQgxcovyQ/video.html не мог подняться на небольшой склон перед магазином и утверждал, что у MSP нет мощности! MSP, который тогда был самым мощным EUC! Если вы управляете Gotway/Begode EUC как Kingsong, вырабатывается недостаточно мощности. Стиль толчка должен быть совершенно другим. В видео, где Мастер остановился на полпути, у Бегоды не было проблем! Водитель просто не стал нажимать и остановился! Master в настоящее время является единственным EUC, который может поднять гонщика весом 100 кг на склоне 45+ градусов! Единственным ограничением является сохранение контакта шины с поверхностью!
I cancelled my s22 because of all the motor, BMS and controller problems out of the box that riders are reporting. Probably the worst ever initial launch especially after all the hype that really hurt King Song’s reputation. A suspension, good or bad, is worthless if the EUC is sitting waiting for parts. I bought a Master instead because I’ve had very good experience with all my Begode EUCs, they just work.
There are some issues but not as critical as you are writing here :)
@@ekolkacz Strongly disagree. You need to hold all these companies to account for bad engineering and quality control issues like King Song is having with their s22 motors. They won’t improve if you give them a pass. Also, not mentioning these issues during your reviews isn’t accurately informing your viewers.
You can disagree but we have real sales and RMA statics
@@ekolkacz Your sales is a very small sample size:)
Master has the worst torque? hahaha... nonsense, dislike...
Yeah I was very confused by this. I’ve ridden both and own the Master. This simply isn’t true
This would be valent reality vs science (hermitically sealed) reality.
The valent reality is that the individual on the wheel given ability and circumstance could climb as depicted on the wheels.
I understand youtube breeds a lot of interesting antagonistic energy.
But the valent reality is what it is for that individual.
Just in case, I will mention that I have been driving EUCs every day since 2014 and have driven almost every EUC issued. If the calibration is not completely vertical to the side, this is exactly what happens!!! My Master does not lower the pedals even a gram! The latest to be thoroughly tested are Kingsong S22 and Begode Master. The Gotway/Begode only delivers full power to the rider who dares to climb/lean it hard! This gives the less daring driver the misleading impression that there is not enough power! If you tilt the KS22 too far, it just growls and shuts down completely! Begode Master is only suitable for serious riders :) . Others don't feel its full force because they don't have the courage to push. Acceleration from zero to 80 km/h in 2.5 seconds, tested by very brave guys at Master. KS S22 is not even close :( . Sorry! Couldn't leave it out! Of course to each their own best EUC. Good luck to everyone anyway! :)
Sorry but riding since 2014 means nothing :) we saw a lot of people that had ridden thousands km on EUC and could not run it well. Second Master was dipping at this slope already so the rider could not harder lean on it. Third acceleration for 2.5 seconds is for people tat does not understand how EUC is working, so they can do whatever they want :) we are speaking about safety first, anyone can lean and cut off the device you do need any skill for it, but it is just no brainer :)
I personally disagree the master has a tone of torque way more than the other wheels on the list
Just confused me more.
I thought the Master was the beast of beasts for offroading and torque.
Now you are saying the s22 is better ?? but all reviewers say the contrary. Whats going on here !
Yeah they’re wrong
Singlewatt definitely disagrees with them and he rides a lot of MTB single tracks
wattsSingleTrack won the offroad race with ease on the Master. He says it has been a game changer for him... 2000+ miles
Kingson s 18 ??? Yeah sure jajaja that trash sucks its so expensive and weak like a 5 yrar old kid gteat review boys i thing you have a lot of kingsong unselled in storage
Disliked. Biased towards Kingsong and against Begode Master 😛. If you tell me Begode sucks at many aspects (safety, etc) or that S22 has a wonderful suspension, I would agree with you on both counts, but if you say S18 and S20 climbs that hill faster, then either you are on Kingsong's payroll or your riding skill sucks.
c'est une vidéo anti begode master ! Pas objectif du tout et un gros parti pris....
Funny how they're right I've done 3 monthes of research on the Master and s22. The s22 is better. Batch 1 of the s22 is trash but now we're on batch 2 with even more fixes to the motor/mobo/charger!! So here's my verdict the s22 with no manufacturer issues is way better then a master which even costs more lol!!!!!! Begode is pumping out plastic copy and paste junk while trying to steal ideas and use them wrong! If you're a begode fan boi use the rs it's still amazing
You are sadly misinformed. The s22 has some serious motor slipping issues you should look into
...you guys need to go back to the drawing board and start over.
This video is ridiculous, calling the Master "weak" lol... have you even ridden it or did you just borrow someone's footage?
"Compatible models will cost you $600 to $800 dollars"... Holy crap there is so much incorrect information in this video.... Unsubscribed
These ebikes are supposed to be only going 40 km/h on the road... Too many are abusing the legality of the vehicle...