My Epic Ramble - The Horus Heresy Legions Imperialis
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2023
- GW have just announced a new full version of Epic due to release in August. Here are my thoughts on the matter.
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I'm gonna buy this and use classic epic rules lmao
Yeah defo a good shout
We could use these and just play standard heresy 2.0 rules as well, for those who want to save space that is.
Yeah for sure! I’m a big fan of smaller scales for saving space but still having large games
The new adeptus titanicus is 8mm. My guess is the warhounds are on the same scale. Therefore, the scale is 8mm for the game. I use my 6mm epic with titanicus, and it looks fine.
Thanks for this. So looks like 8mm it is. Yeah the old 6mm stuff works really well with the new titans 👍
They said it was 8mm ie 1/4 of space marines :)
So that is Space Marines size, 8mm, so normal humans should be the old sized Epic figures?
@@wc9109yeah I guess so
You can also use your aeronautica miniatures which are also 8mm.
If the separate boxes come in detachments, it's probably around £32-37 per each detachment, so with 7 detachments thats minimum £224, plus the £45 for two warhounds thats 270, then with a 40% discount (which seems common) it would end up around £160, possibly £150 similar to leviathan. With third party discount you could pick it up for £120 so it's not terrible, though the entire contents are really a minimum for one side in large points games if old epic is any indication.
Thanks for this. You might be about right here
Well it states 223 miniatures in the box but the picture only has 209 and what is the price of this boxset. Oh and as usual GW hoses over those of us who already have large collections of 40K Epic from nearly three decades ago. Right off the bat Eldar, Squats and Orks (I have large armies for each of these) are not playable and if this is a normal size boxset (I.E. large box) there should be far more than just 223 miniatures in the box like four times that amount.
Oh and 223 miniatures broken down into two armies so 100+ miniatures per army is not what I would call an army for Epic and more like a few detachments or a reinforced company. Back when Epci was being played we would put several hundred miniatures per player onto the table with 2-4 companies along with other detachments.
Yes the price is going to be important since if this is going to be like their other boxsets it could be in the $150 - $200 price range or maybe a bit more and if that is the case I would pass on it since not worth it. I really do not trust GW and haven't for over 25 years since they have killed off Epic, WFB and many more of their games.
Yeah I’d love to see other races although I fear this will not happen until a new edition of the game assuming this one sells well.
Yeah price is big with this one. If they make it too expensive I don’t think it will sell
Youd be surprised, nostalgia will force some sales but not in general, I can't see it being popular, but i could be wrong
@@JoJubjub-kx8lpyeah totally it could very well flop and the chances of other races will never be realised 😢
@@JonnyWatsonGaming Oh given GW track record with boxsets this one is more than likely to sell out since they never make enough to have an inventory of them. Get the money up front and then stop supporting it and claim that it is not doing well. Oh and back when it first came out the initial boxsets for the other races had over 300 miniatures in them and that was in boxes that were not that large. Here it looks like it is a standard size boxset (large box) and only getting 223 miniatures.
@@chestersleezer8821yeah good point about the old boxes
As I said on the Discord, I think they'll use a lot of Epic Armageddon for the core rules, due to that being a bit of a hybrid of 2nd and 3rd edition.
The contents look lovely, just wish they'd chosen a more visually interesting Legion. Death Guard are a bit drap looking. Emperor's Children would have looked ace, and a good contrast to the Solar Auxilia.
Most definitely going to get this if I can get a good deal.
Yeah it’s going to be interesting to see what they do with the rules. Yeah if the price is right I’m in 👍
I'm going with the purple boys when I get the box
@@juliekitchen8193 nice!
Epic armegeddon rules are totally different and better than anything else GW have done.
I dont think they can price this absurdly. They are directly competing with 3d printing on this one. I found downloads for all the space marines side of this. And im sure the auxilla stuff will be up tomarrow for free. The titans Im sure are not far behind. Im excited but I feel that it will be a hollow release if they dont actually price it well.
Yeah this is interesting! You are right about the 3d printing there are a few companies that make really good 8mm replicas. I do thing GW fans will buy GW and not go down the 3d printing route but yes there is some competition in this scale 👌
I am worried that they will overprice it, but I don't think they should. I have been 3d printing for 2 years. I have also been wanting GW to re release epic for 18 years. A few years ago I would have been prepared to spend a lot on this. These days only if the price is right as I can print proxys very easily. However they may rely on the fact that the majority of players don't yet have 3d printers and try to get away with silly prices.
@@alastairsmith2173 What would be amazing would be if they released 3D printing files. That way they will get rid of the proxy market somewhat.
@@JonnyWatsonGaming That would be amazing if they did that, and I would have no hesitation signing up to an official GW stl subscription. Sadly I have not seen any signs that this is part of their marketing strategy.
@@alastairsmith2173 yeah it’s a shame. But maybe something for the future
As someone who loves Heresy I’m super surprised but also very pleased even if it means I now need to consider whether to get into it. My only concern is splitting up the already smaller Heresy community/divide attention when Heresy still is getting its full model range out.
Interesting never thought about the splitting of the HH community. In my opinion this may be a better way to play HH but only time will tell.
@@JonnyWatsonGaming Yeah it is a concern though imho less so than it killing/splitting Geedubs attention to Heresy. Epic is getting our Assault Marines before we do :P
As far as playing Heresy era stuff, for the scale of some of those battles and on our wallets absolutely! It's one of the reasons I'm really excited about it, though painting wise there are a lot of beautiful details that'd get lost at the scale, such as some of the really wonderful legion specific sculpts.
Yeah true but I think if you want to go in on the detail you would just stick with 28mm/32mm or what every they are now 😂 I’m sure some people will go all out on the detail with these little guys but certainly won’t be if I get in on it
It kinda sucks that it's limited to Horus heresy. But if the game mechanics are good I might consider it. Will probably only buy the titans from GW, though, and stick to 3D printing the infantry and tanks.
Yeah 40k would have been soo much better. Yeah 3d printing will be a much cheaper option
I think the 30k HH era is great as it gives you a chance to play the huge battles from the novels. Personally,,I don’t much care for the tainted SMs
@@wc9109same mate
Great video mate. I’m with you on all the points you raised. It would be nice to see some xenos races. Ultimately price will be my deciding factor as well.
I feel we are seeing a bit of a shift to smaller scales recently. Warlord Epic for example. As much as the larger scales are very pretty. People (me included) just don’t have the space to play big armies. Smaller scale means for us gamers, bigger armies, smaller tables, cheaper terrain and armies plus everything is easier to store away.
Yeah I wonder if space saving is a factor these companies are taking into consideration nowadays. You are right I know myself I have limited space for all these 28mm games so smaller scales are very welcome.
Regarding the scale they said during the preview that it's the same scale as Adeptus Titanicus and that it's a quarter of their regular scale, which would put it at 8mm, they also mentioned it's more consistent than old Epic that was a bit all over the place in scale.
Ahh thank you for this! Yes the old versions were very off in scale lol 😂 Would you be buying this set?
The original games was just Titans like now. Then they released “Space Marine” that you could combine with Titan box but itself just had a single sprue in two colours, which had 40 space marines all same pose, 4 rhinos and 2 land raiders per sprue.
And then came the greatest GW game ever Space Marine 2nd ed 👌
Maybe have a great crusade era expansion. Interex, Rangdan, Megaarachnids, orks, etc
Ahhh yes! Now that could work! Please tell me you work for GW! 😜😂
Thanks for the video I am looking forward to the game. I recommend making the bg music in you videos less loud. It is sometimes a bit hard to understand you.
Ahh now worries mate. And yes I’ll look into reducing the music volume 👍
Why put the specialised warhound weapons (for one legio) in a starter box?
Nuts decision.
I do so love 2nd edition Epic. If they play this right it will be great. Will probably be same daft price tag as Titanicus. Which is a shame. Lower price point and people would double purchase a escalate the game. Which I would think would be more profitable in the long run.
Yeah agreed on the price! So far it looks like they may have a similar orders phase to second edition which is cool.
@@JonnyWatsonGaming yeh I saw that an thought oh my god this could be the real deal 👍😁
@@paulgibbons2320 here’s hoping 🤞
I agree, if they price it right it will be a success. If...
I'd definitely be buying this
Yeah it does look good!
I am wondering are the round bases a mistake.
Hahaha yeah that don’t sit good for me either! 😂
The 2nd edition epic bases were perfect. But people were not buying it. So we got an identity parade base for epic 40k which I did not like. So you had to rebuy it all. Now we have these very clustered round bases.
The first bases were perfect. Fit lovely on roof tops.
They could go with the WH40K Apocalypse Rules released not so long ago. They are tailored for squads and big models.
Yes this is a good shout! Although I think they will reuse old epic rules maybe with a few Apocalypse rules thrown in to be fair
As a fellow lover of second edition space marine and in pleased and disappointed with this. I’m glad GW are getting into epic, but I’m not bothered about the horus heresy.
I’m torn between not buying it or buying it to make it success to hope it goes full 40k with Xenos etc. As with all things GW, if this is a success they’ll eventually release more and more stuff, so logically it may one day include the other races. It’s just a question of how long that takes.
You have taken the words right out of my mouth! I totally agree with this, I’m not bothered with the heresy but thinking to buy this in the hope it goes full 40k! We can only hope!
They'll likely expand into the 40K timeline a few years down the line which is what they did first time around. Adeptus Titanicus was released in '88 with Space Marine (set in HH) following in '89. An expansion book called Codex Titanicus added in some Xenos to AT and SM. They then released Space Marine 2nd edition in around '91 to take it in to 40K.
So I can see GW spreading this over several years so they slowly build up the range and are continuously releasing stuff.
I do hope so. My only concern is a Adeptus Titanicus has been around a few years with nothing non-Heresy so far. But we shall see. I suppose the specialist games are slow burners. But GW seems to realise they are a way to entice vets back who don’t play 40k anymore.
@@cardboardfortress1855 the original Adeptus Titanicus was just HH too. They had a lot of the Xenos titans in Space Marine 2nd edition which was then added to by Titan Legions. I think the way GW see it is it's better to spread the releases over time rather than just give people everything to begin with.
With the current AT (as it's HH) I think they've realised they've reached the limit of what can be released and so now it's exhausted they'll expand into Legions Imperialis. Then once they exhausted all the options in HH Legions Imperialis they'll move it along to Xenos and 40K. But that could be several years down the line.
Seeing as how they have other race for Aeronautica Imperialis, I would hope that they will offer other races. That is why I think that the current Horus Heresy Edition is a bit stale, lack of variety. Hopefully, they can reprint older Epic kits like they did with Blood Bowl as a stop gap until the race (team) is resculpted.
I really hope so! If they do I’m all over this!
i hate the beakies i hope they release other armour mks at some point
I think for me the beakies have a nostalgic value to them with Rouge Trader. Would be interesting to see if they do expand the range. Personally I’d love it if they go full 40k and release some Ork Great Gargants 👌
I personally don't care about HH Epic, but I'm concerned about the people who do because I feel they might be in the same boat as me - a reluctant TOW observer. See, it concerns me that GW appears to be taking on too many projects all at once. 10ed just dropped, HH Epic is out in August, there'll probably be a launch of something in Q4, AoS 4ed drops in Q1 of next year, and then you have stuff like Kill Team and Warcry sprinkled in between all that.
Consumers don't just have infinitely deep pockets to support every title release. Natural this will lead to projects, likely the mainline ones, cannibalizing the sales of the secondary ones - and potentially even each other. Worse still, GW has had notoriously bad production and logistics issues for years now, so having more projects to juggle might lead to more and longer stock shortages across the board.
Yeah you bring up some good points here. GW are definitely trying to reach into our nostalgia pockets but it will only work if they can maintain these new/old games.
There are a lot of nice 3rd party 3d prints for epic out there so if too pricey and can get the rules might be a way to go...
Otherwise, ill go halves with you :😜
Haha mate yeah definitely if it’s too pricey I’ll be up for that 😂
Yeah hopefully the 3rd party stuff keeps the costs down for us… maybe 🤔
main box set im told is 440 to 500 aud
What!!! That’s crazy
@JonnyWatsonGaming no that's about standard for Australia leviathan was 420 aud
@@Kreated_by_khaos Why is it so expensive in Aus? I can only guess it the logistics of it.
@@JonnyWatsonGaming its a mark up , we have all scratched our heads over the years, its still cheaper to buy from a UK retailer and have it sent express than to buy locally we have no clue why the mark up
@@Kreated_by_khaos That is crazy!!!
So disappointing this is only heresy
Yeah me too but let’s hope it gets backed well enough for them to think about doing a 40k version
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@@kellydavis3108😂
I don't like this, I have Epic models from the 1990's, I'm annoyed that they have changed the bases from square to round.
Yeah the round base thing is a bit shit
£150...con as usual
Haha you could be right