Are Tudor Watches Good ? The Good, Bad, and Ugly
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- čas přidán 26. 10. 2021
- Let's talk about Tudor, their watches, the history behind them and whether or not Tudor makes good watches! We will also compare Tudor vs Rolex and my thoughts on whether or not they come close to matching the quality.
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-John P
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80-90% of the watch for 30-40% of the Rolex cost. Pretty good from a value perspective. Nice video.
The extra testing of Rolex must be comforting for the 90+% of buyers who put them in a safe😂
I think most underrated watch for Tudor is the Pelagos
Amen. I wear that more than any Rolex in my collection. I have the Pelagos LHD.
@Logan Barr
Ahhh, the LHD.
In my opinion, it's the best looking dive watch you can buy today.
...maybe even ever.🙃
I love Tudor because apart from having a great history they really make tool watches, like the Pelagos, wich is under appreciated.
I love my tudor.
I wear it 24/7 & work as a chef.
It stands up to daily use in a hot kitchen, fishing trips, gets covered in oil when I work on my cars & still performs flawlessly.
A tough tool watch for people who don't panic if they get a few scratches on their watch.
I'll be passing mine on to my son when he hits 21.
I have no doubt I'll replace it with another tudor.
I bought a Tudor while wearing my Rolex. As I waited for the activation/registration of the warranty card, the salesperson said Tudor uses the same system as Rolex. Cool insight I thought.
Me too. Bought my bb58 wearing my explorer 214270.
I got myself Tudor Pelagos. I have never been more happy. It's so cool and I just love it!
The Tudor Black Bay 58 series is definitely a good option for people with smaller wrists. More importantly it is available from authorized dealers now, while you can hardly find a new Rolex anywhere. If you cannot buy one, then no matter how good the watch is, it is just theoretical.
Love the new background. It’s definitely an upgrade.
Amazing video brother and I personally respect and love Tudor ❤️
Great content John. I really enjoyed it. I agree with below comments. The Blue BB58 and the Blue Pelagos are the best looking n my opinion.
I like the new camera work John 👍🏻
The tudor bb58 blue is probably one of the best watches you can buy for the money, it's such a good all rounder, has a lot of character and charm. I prefer it to my previous rolex op, highly recommended, it's dimensions are perfect.
same can be said of the Pelagos. As a dive watch it's features. quality and legibility are way better value for money than an SMP300, Sub or Sea Dweller
@@martinlaski8109 that's the regular black bay, not the 58
@@martinlaski8109 it’s a dive tool watch. I’m a dive instructor! It’s not built for spreadsheets and powerpoint presentations in the boardroom! It’s designed to do a job!
@@nickbrooker1411 There are alot of dive watches that are alot thinner. I take a Omega Seamaster anyday over a Black bay but this is my personal opinion
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 used to dive with a seamaster 300. Sold it, scalloped bezel useless with dive gloves (why they changed it to a coin edge in the better PO) and skeleton hands very poor legibility (again changed it for the PO) - Pelagos way way better…. And NO wart!!
This is the most fair assessment of Tudor that I have seen. Almost every other video on this topic is made by someone who is just really zealous about a particular brand. Solid job 👍
Great video. Really knowledgeable and balanced statements
I own a Rolex Datejust, which I love. I am currently shopping around for a Tudor Royal or 1926 for my birthday next year. I'm not shopping around for it because I think it can go toe to toe with the quality of my datejust, I'm shopping around for it because I love the look and style of those two models, and want to purchase one for what it is
Been jonesing for a Pelagos in blue, for 3 years. what do you think, QC, resale. l think it looks great, should i pull the trigger. I can't afford a snoopy speedmaster.
'Toodr.'
I have two BB58s. The standard black and the newer silver/taupe or as I call it the Cappuccino. Love them both. Great quality with no bad points.
Love my Tudor black bay GMT! Just ordered the panda chrono 6 month wait I think that says something. My GMT is just as accurate as my hulk and more accurate than my YM 40mm. I think value is there no it is not Rolex but for the money and value retention I’m in. Will be looking into Omega next.
Enjoyed your review and comments. It's unfortunate of some of the comments of some having QC issues with Tudor. I have the BB58 black and It's flawless. Dimensions are perfect IMO. I also have a Rolex Submariner 116610LN and Omega seamaster PO 8906 gmt. Rolex is definitely better quality than the Tudor but Omega is a damn good watch. My BB58 gets the most wrist time btw. It's just a cool wind and wear watch for everyday use. Anxiously waiting for Tudor to make a BB58 with a gmt function. I'd put my name on the list for one asap.
I have a Blue Pelagos as my first entry-luxury watch that i bought during the middle of peak of Covid year 2020. While in the rush to head out of house, i drop the pelagos
"Watch-Face" down from my chest level to my concrete hard floor. My heart nearly popped out of my chest. But luckily, No Scratches, no dings and still keeping time. Pretty tough watch brand imo.
Have many Rolexes and other much higher end watches. My daily is my Tudor Chrono Panda and I do absolutely love this watch. Never even considered a Tudor prior to release of this watch though...
The poor man's argument doesn't hold up when yousee a the 5K-up price tag for some models. Disparaging, prejudiced and negative comments will always appear but it's an internet phenomenon as a whole, so you have to disregard 99% of them. Nice video, Nice Breguet!
Thank you !
No one seems to want to talk about the sub-par QC Tudor has been exhibiting.
- Lume paint falling off
- Sunken lume pip (BB 41 and 58)
- GMT Date issue (fixed on newer models?)
- Misaligned hour markers on BB58 models, mostly blue and the 6 position
- Misaligned bezels
Might as well just buy a 62MAS.
To be fair, I wear a Tudor as my daily but Omega blows it away in quality, and GS is just on another universe.
I don’t have any of these issues. And if I did, service would replace.
agree wholeheartedly on the subpar QC
@@phantpwr and wait how long?
@japanwatchconnection I don’t understand your comment… the watch I’m wearing is perfect in its construction. Not a single flaw.
Agreed, between Omega and Tudor I go with Omega all day. Rolex vs Omega then I go with Rolex all day, lol.
I have absolutely loved my Black Bay 58
Good review!
I love Tudor very much! I bought two Tudor less then month (gmt and pelego)
I bought a Royal and love it!
Congrats!
I really enjoy my Tudor Black Bay Bronze,love the patina over time.
I have a Tudor BB GMT and love it. No problem with the date and it keeps as good, if not better time than my Rolex Date Just 41.
I’m starting out with automatic watches. I’m torn between the Tudor 1926 and the Tag Heuer Carrera. In the configuration I was looking at they are not that far apart in price. I really like the blue dial on the Carrera but a lot of people talk poorly about Tag watches. Both are using similar movements and would probably perform similarly what do you think would be a better choice for a first automatic in my collection? I don’t wanna regret my choice.
I think they have great offerings, and honestly appeal more to me than most Rolex models. I think that's because the tool-y side appeals to me more than the "luxurified" Rolex tool watches. The OP is nice looking, as is the Explorer I 39mm (I'm so mad they axed that as it was the perfect size), and the Explorer II are great. Not much appeals to me beyond that. I would take a Pelagos over a Sub, and I'm very likely to put my money where my mouth is for my birthday next year. They could stand to diversify their lineup a bit more, but that's being picky.
Tudor will always be the Shield that protects the Crown. Competitive in the market below Rolex, but never in direct competition. Every time I put on a BB58 it feels incredibly close to my 16610. Solid take on Tudor John.
@@davidr2802 well the only Tudor I own is a 79290 Chrono, everything else in my collection is Rolex, with the exception of one Breitling and Patek. So I don't believe your diagram would pertain to me.
For sure. BB58 is right in line with the 5 digit submariners (with a better bracelet). Rolex left behind the true tool watch designs when the went to the 6 digit models.
Rolex is a bs type of item and brand. Tudor isn’t. They’re loved by their consumers
My Tudor Heritage Ranger gets the most wrist time. Great EDC “tool watch”. We own 4 Omegas and wouldn’t part with any of them. But none of them top my Tudor Ranger as my personal favorite to wear. BTW, The only Rolex that I would consider is an Explorer. The rest do nothing for me. I could afford a Rolex but cannot pull the trigger on spending that kind of money for a wrist watch. The Tudor Ranger scratched my Explorer itch for a fraction of the cost.
I own a Tudor BB58 and a Rolex DJ41. The Tudor has equal quality to my Rolex in both dial and case finishing, even under a loupe. My Tudor has perfect accuracy over the last 2 months, my Rolex is 0.4 seconds per day fast. They both have superb wrist feel. The Rolex exceeds Tudor in bracelet quality. I think Tudor represents the best value in luxury watches.
The Wilsdorf trust controls Rolex and Tudor. I happen to own 2 Tudor black bay, and one Tudor glamour watch. Does that make me a poor man? You make a good point about the quality of Tudor v Rolex. The best thing for me though, is that i live in London /England, and i can wear my Tudors with my sleeve rolled up. Nice video!
Hi John, great video, Tudor needs to me more innovative but they nailed the proportions on the BB58 but outside of this all other timepiece is either too awkward or too big. To expand on what I meant by innovation is recently I saw Bell and Ross timepiece with the date and the date was aligned horizontally straight. Most dates are angled towards the bezel but this was horizontal. Bell and Ross nailed it with innovation. See model BR0392-BLC-ST.
@@davidr2802 agreed, I was just saying that even Bell and Ross can be unique and hit some home run stylistic elements for date function.
I have to say your videos are getting better but you’re getting and uppin GB your game. I’m tired of the “day in the life” bullshit videos (CRM gets a pass, sorry). You offer facts and get to the point. This is a great move John and highly respect anyone that puts their face on this space. Keep up the awesome work!
I think Tudor would be a lot more popular if people didn't know they were made by Rolex. Some people can't get past the "poor man's Rolex" mentality.
@japanwatchconnection I don't know any poor man that wears an almost £3000 watch
@japanwatchconnection As a Rolex owner I disagree. You may have a case for the Tudor Style collection. Those look very similar to a datejust.
@japanwatchconnection so you agree Tudor isn’t a poor man’s Rolex and has it’s own original designs and movements. Good
Thanks for the informations. Greetings to everybody from HLO 🇩🇪
I have a bb 58 in black and gilt. Very pleased with it, great finishing, superb value compared with the elusive overpriced sub.
Love Tudor, have owned 3. But they need a bit more variety, not just black bay variations. Love my North Flag.
Interesting review. However, at one point in your discussion you compared the dial of a submariner to a black bay. What were you thinking! The comparison should have been the pelagos dial to the submariner dial. The black bay is not in the same league as the submariner but the pelagos is.
Tudor is my favorite watch brand. I like their style of being a laid back watches. Plus their history. I honestly can’t say something bad about it apart from them not including a gold and silver bracelet to the respective releases.
The new root beer would like to have a word with you, sir!
I agree with pretty much all you said, though I'd point out that there are Tudor watches with no Rolex equivalent or even slight derivation, not even close, such as the North Flag (may it rest in peace). And the Pelagos line stands on it's own.... who hasn't coveted or admired a blue Pelagos? Like that blue so much thinking of getting an LHD and trying a Schwarzkopf 😉
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Love the new BB Chrono panda...just hope I can still get one at retail once I've saved up enough. Or, maybe I'm too late already?
I own it and i love it🥰 A chrono with in house movement and this stunning optic for this price 👌🏻👍🏻
You know what bothers me on the chronograph is the snowflake hand covers the sub dials to much. They shouldn't put snowflake hands on a chronograph it's to big and its hard to make a reading when the hands cover it just my 2 cents
Tudor is now what Rolex once was. A tool watch for everyday. Rolex are over priced now although admittedly a good investment, well as long as your not mugged wearing it.
Only a good investment if bought at retail.
Tudor are very good love them I own 2,so far 😍
I have one of Tudor's novelties, the Advisor, just one of a handful of watches built with an alarm complication. So yes, a feature that Rolex doesn't have.
You say Tudor does their own thing ,but can they .? Or do they first have to get the OK from Rolex .A tudor Black Bay with ceramic bezel and Arabic numbers would be a sub killer
Tudor will always be in the shadow of Rolex
I wish my BB had the easy fine adjustments the Rolex bracelets have. Other than that Rolex can stick their games and premiums where the sun don't shine.
I have 2 Tudors. A panda and a pepsi. Love them both.
I'm pretty sure that Rolex doesn't own Tudor. The Hans Wilddorf Foundation owns both Rolex and Tudor but they do control both in tandem
Daily a Pelagos to work and also have a BBGMT. I adore both of them and don’t really have anything negative to say about them. Fantastic watches for the money. I recently picked up a 126610lv and it’s certainly in a different league. Obviously Tudor isn’t competing with Rolex though. Overall I love Tudor and view them as a direct competitor to Omega. Omega’s goal to compete with Rolex is being disrupted by Tudor.
They need to spend a little effort in the case finishes - they are hockey pucks on the wrist. Just a little effort wouldn’t raise the price much
Love my tudor gmt 😍 ❤
when you get to see and feel the black bay 54 you will notice a lot of finishing and quality has gone up.
Just the Tudor Prince Big block chronograph and Monte Carlo heritage chronograph for me. Not really into the black bay. Maybe if they stop with the faux rivets and put a real riveted bracelet I might get into them
Great topic and good video but in my option everything could be told in 8 minutes instead of 15.
JP, aren't you forgetting something? Lots of watch brands put celebrities into their mix - such as Longines with their various 'ambassadors.'
Solid watches, but Omega is a bit better.
Agreed, and I own both brands.
Disagree, and I also own both brands 🤷🏻♂️
Omega’s movements are better and their finishing is better.
A lot better. Omega went to the moon, found its way on James bonds wrist, and timekeeps the Olympics.
While tudor is famous for just being related to rolex and spamming different versions of the blackbay.... I'm just waiting for tudor to change their name to black bay....
@@pignosis354 are you getting a watch to wear to the moon?. You can take a £10 casio to the moon, doesn't mean shit. James bond is a fictional character, people buy into the marketing nonsense. I agree that omega make a better watch and are one level above tudor when it comes to finishing and quality. The problem is that there isn't many good looking omegas apart from the aqua terra and globe master, also they need a smoother sweep, 25k is not good enough. IMO The tudor bb58 looks better than any of the omega divers and has a longer power reserve with a 28k movement and timeless looks, omega don't have that. Tudor watches seem to hold their value better and are even increasing in price where as you end up losing money on most Omega watches.
i have three tudors, two date-days and a 58. the 58 ended my watch lust; three years on and i still stare in awe on a daily basis, BUT my 58 has had to be serviced twice because it started losing time by the minutes per day and first time they refused to service under the warranty. As much of a fan as I am, I will never buy another one again....I have seiko's and similar that have lasted longer but that they didnt honour their warranty is what ended the love affair.....if you're advertising an 'explorer' type watch, make sure it can explore without falling apart!
Tudor pelagos is much better then a sub or deep-sea...have 1 and love it...quality is much finer and less costly...have rolex too ...fine watch but tudor wins
My #1 Favorite brand; BB58 top of my rotation
Nice job man! I can definitely appreciate what Tudor has done and is continuing to do, but the issue I see is in the watches themselves rather than the brand or history. When I see a BB58 or Pelagos they don't stand out enough for me. They are definitely scaled back in comparison to most Rolex models. They look almost industrial. This obviously doesn't make them bad watches, but if I were to spend this kind of money than I would definitely go with Omega over Tudor.
Agree. I personally find them dull. Omega makes a superior product.
Excellent watches, I just wish they would stop writing the whole spec sheet on the dial. The hour hand isn’t to my taste, but the watch itself is great value for money.
The best comment I’ve seen was by another channel “ there’s a lot of dueshe bags who own Rolex’s…but a true dueshe bag wouldn’t be caught dead wearing a Tudor”. So Tudor is actually a little more exclusive . Lol
Good video.
But the real answer here is assholes wear all different types of watch brand's. I don't understand why only Rolex gets the asshole label
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I think there are a lot of jerks in general, but luxury brands tend to attract people who have some kind inferiority complex or need to make themselves seem important.
But they also attract people who really appreciate well-made mechanical products. So there’s kind of a general mix going on. But Tudor being labeled a poor man’s Rolex there is no way they can get that satisfaction that they desire, even if the Tudor was better.
I own 3 Rolexes just bought two Tudor’s in December. The GMT and the black bay 925. Sold the both. I just not a Tudor guy. The sterling silver was already tarnishing in the box. I had not worn it yet. There just not for me.
I just don’t like the dial and bracelet on the seamasters so I got the BB58, love it. Though If I ever find a Rolex at retail, I’ll pick one up.
Same here. Too flashy
The faux riveted bracelet is bad 👎 they need to make a real riveted bracelet and stop with the faux crap
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 you don’t notice them. these micro lense shots we see on CZcams highlight them and make them look prominent.
@@phantpwr Just knowing there there and fake bothers me but if there are fans of the bracelet out there and I'm sure there are that's all good
John, the real ugly truth about Tudor is that they seem to adopt the strategy of their parent Rolex, and not fully supply the demand despite being the high volume arm of Rolex. After the Watches & Wonders announcements earlier this year, I want to buy a Tudor Chronograph, i.e. the Panda. However, like their parent Rolex, Tudor seems to have supply issues at the AD level, and the Panda is not available in the USA. I am so disappointed in Tudor, and blaming supply issues on Covid is not an acceptable excuse. Plus the gray market is charging over list already for the Panda model. Why is it so hard to get a Panda at my AD?
@@BrendanBoswell I ordered the same one from an online AD and waiting for them to ship it to me. I can’t wait to get it on the wrist.
I love my Tudor Pelagos but I wish they would stop making new BB58s and try more things. Between the ceramic, silver, gold and bronze it seems like every ad I see for a new Tudor is just another BB58.
You are a brave man 😳!
I used to have an Oyster perpetual a couple of years ago and now I own a Tudor BB58 (and I really love it!). Main differences, except the movements, are the materials used by Rolex, as we all know the 904 steel, gold hands and hour markers. You are absolutely right about the different feeling when touching both Tudor and Rolex. Rolex has a smoother, almost glass like steel surface due to the 904 ss . Very very premium feel! That's something that Tudor is not allowed to replicate in their watches. They are still perfectly polished/brushed, but do not have that Rolex feeling. Arguably Tudor has a better clasp! ;)
Curious why you think Tudor has the better clasp (except maybe the Pelagos) I have the chrono and find the bracelet less than great and micro adjustments terrible. That is really the only flaw though
@@ssherman855 I like the overall aesthetics of the clasp with the integrated shield and the ceramic balls that click perfectly every single time :) You are right about the micro! The Pelagos with that hole in the clasp isn't my type design wise.
Lot to love with Tudor but don't like that they're so much chunkier than Rolex. If they made their lines more slimmer like what they did with BB58, I'll be all over it. It isn't just the movements; they can do different case designs that'll make it feel slimmer.
I can see why some people see Tudor as a poor man's Rolex; outside of the 1926, the rest of their watches either look like Rolex homages or are too niche in design (P1 & Royale). Regardless, I do think they're worth the money. The affordable line of watches uses 3rd party movements so they're reliable and easy to service while their premium line utilizes in-house movements and are COSC certified.
They are very good and available to buy at reasonable prices. The Rolex bubble has most rational buyers out of the Rolex market.
Nice blazer
is this the real John p?
I would rather wear a BB58 than an Ir-King which is too thick imo.
I ❤ My Tudor BB 58 Blue Dial.
The ugly: the movement appearance. Still want one without a clear case back.
Imo, The Tudor Watches today are the Rolex watches of yesterday with regards to style and design.
Rolex started as a proper tool watch and then evolved into a “Bling” luxury watch, while Tudor Watches continued to maintain more, being “the proper TOOL Watch” of today than Rolex.
Another difference is the metal.
Rolex uses 904L, while Tudor uses 316L stainless steel metals.
Movements are refined and improved as well.
Overall, they’re both made under the same people, that built and designed these 2 great watches, under the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation.
So, it’s a no brainer that when it comes to quality and durability, both watches are au par.
Personally for me, whatever Watch Brand that’s preferred more by the Worlds Navy Forces is the real Greatest of all Time!
-not the Bling
-not the Hyped
-not the one who has the crow, but the one who holds the Shield.
Don't like the wafer thin bezel insert on the BB... and the lack of date window
It grows on you with those 60 beautiful clicks.
I totally agree with your assessment. They need to get these pop folk out of there. They now have an agreement with the French Nationale and hope they use real divers as ambassadors. Maybe we may see a Tudor Submariner. We will see.
They compared Roger Federer to Novak Djokovic in a commercial.
John P Watches....In fact, Rolex does not ''own Tudor''....Montres TUDOR SA and Rolex are both owned by the Hans Wilsdorf Foundation...The Hans Wilsdorf Foundation owns and controls Rolex and Tudor to this day, and donates much of its income to charity and social causes in Geneva, Switzerland. There is no requirement to disclose financial or charitable donations under law, and the company pays no corporate taxes as a result of being owned by the Foundation....On March 6, 1946, Wilsdorf made the following statement regarding Tudor:
"For some years now I have been considering the idea of making a watch that our agents could sell at a more modest price than our Rolex watches, and yet one that could attain the standards of dependability for which Rolex is famous, I decided to form a separate company, with the object of making and marketing this new watch. It is called the Tudor Watch Company."...
Tudor 1926 white dial blue hands 👑
rolex is now luxury jewelry, tudor is everyday watches.
Agree Rolex is jewellery, and while Tudor watches have more of an everyday aesthetic they are still extremely expensive luxury items.
Both are luxury jewelry.
Rolex has also has high profile endorsers.
I don’t think Tudor are trying to compete with Omega, they have aimed a notch below because they know there is a gap between Omega and the likes of Oris, Longines, Tag. Arguably you could include Breitling in this bracket too. It’s very clever because Rolex have their prime position, they are letting Omega take second place and Tudor are aiming for third, a bit like medals in the Olympics.
Ah if it weren't for redundant, click bait topics some channels would have no content. I like this channel but every talking head has tackled this before. Tudor makes fine watches at an attainable price. People that don't like them won't change their opinion.
Do people actually use Tudor or Rolex for diving anymore? Pretty unlikely someone is going to dive with a 5k watch on and even less likely they will dive with a 15k watch on. I've got a Rolex Submariner and the deepest it's been is about 6 foot, in a pool
I think the Tudor Black Bay feels better on the wrist than the Sub.
Easy analogy- it's a Bentley vs a Rolls.
While I don't hate it but agree on quality issues, I have 2 Tudors a Pelagos and an aeronaut ,with the Pelagos specifically I find the bracelet very rough over the outside edges , also the finish isn't consistent in terms of brushing quality, also locking and unlocking the crown could be much more smoother.
I hate when people try to say "this is a good product because it trades for a premium"... A lot of that is just marketing.
Comparing Omega to Tudor has no basis other than price.. Omega blows Tudor away in every possible way.. Quality of Tudor watches is closer to the top-tier Seiko models..
What? Top tier seiko (grand seiko) is higher quality than Rolex. By far.
@@Chazyfizzlez By top tier Seiko, I meant SLA reference Capt. Willard, Marine Master, the Shippo dial Presages, etc.... (Grand Seiko is a different brand...And comparing GS to Tudor is like comparing a Ferrari to a Hyundai..)
@@siddhesh I'd agree with you then.
sorry but this video is annoying - who in their right mind expects a "Tooder" watch to stand up to a Rolex watch in direct comparison? my black bay 58 cost me £2760 and my submariner cost more than twice as much. is the sub a better watch? of course it is but so it had better be. for the cost the black bay is a superb watch. and it is a bit rich to knock Tudor for their marketing budget compared to Rolex as Rolex has the biggest marketing budget of any watch brand out there and a very significant part of the cost of a Rolex is in marketing. however it is that marketing that has been substantially responsible for their pre eminent brand awareness status in the market place.
Agree entirely. Great watches, but the pop/sports celebrity endorsements/ambassadors, dilute the Tudor brand.
Why is "Tudor a poor man's Rolex" such a taboo? My dads vintage Big Rose Tudor shares many external parts with Rolex. How cool would it be if Tudor still used Rolex crown, caseback, crystal, but utilizing its own design and movements? If for 1/2 the money, you get something equivalent in function, ascetic, finish, and quality, its a no-brainer.
@john P Watches: Tudor never was considered as “the poor man’s Rolex”. That is a huge misconception. Tudor was however considered “a working man’s Rolex”. Big difference there.