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- old welding tricks from the 60's. why no one told about this welding secret
This video is how to weld metal thin square tube using stick weld, this video is made for beginner welders, how to weld for beginners
Hopefully inspiring and hopefully useful
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“Trick”: literally just spot welding. Try lowering your amperage and running a bead.
I wonder if he knows what a Row of Nichols looks like
Glad you said it ... amps would make a world of difference here
This shit gives welders a bad name.
@@blitzen850 No, it doesn't. I have massive respect for the skill of welders and so do most people.
My brother in law is a boiler maker and my dad was a welder(I inhereited his old industrial oil stick welder). I'm not one. I'm in f* IT and I've got hands as delicate as a baby's bottom, but anyone with half a brain knows a real welder won't do this, or have to do sh1t like this, because he has years of skill and experience and won't find himself in that situation in the first place.
BUT this sh1t gives US - the unskilled, the unwashed and the unitiated, a way of fixing small issues around the house. Sure, it might look like sh1t... but it's MY sh1t!
Had an old machinist work on the farm years ago , I was making an exhaust for my car and was going to braze it because I figured it was too thin to arc weld .. He said let me do that for you ,I thought "this should be fun " He arc welded it and it locked nice .. He taught me how to just drag a bead across the joint and if done properly did not blow through and looked like someone had mig welded it ...
I say this to people a lot "just because you can strike an arc does not mean you can weld".
you are right,i bought one welding machine just shy of one month ago,and the results are horrible,like 1/3 of the weld looks good hahahaha
I’m a grinder, not a welder 😅 but if I’m able to produce useful results, I’m happy 💪
That said - if you’re not able to run a bead across that, what are the odds you’ll able to perfectly time striking and arc in the exact right place like 30 times in a row?
@@FallLineJP that's what auto tint hoods are for.
@@thebraziliangardener8481 its all good practice, that's all it is practice practice practice and with that and some good tuition from professional welding channels on youtube you will very quickly become expert at it.
Here's a trick used to correct rod with the correct amp for that thin metal
Yeah, I'm not a great welder, but I know I can weld schedule 40 pipe without blowing holes in it.
Texas tig without removing the flux from the filler? I’m not a welder, but that looks like a fantastic way to get flux inclusions.
Glad to know someone else calls it Texas tig. And yes you really need to remove the flux to for it to work. Using a 3/32 rod of 7018 with the flux removed does the trick.
Everyone who wants to weld needs to start with a thin project IMO. Whether mig or flux core I think the same method applies. turn your amps up a little hot and spot your way along. Once you learn to stop blowing holes in thin stuff your thicker projects are going to have a significantly easier learning curve.
You may get the opposite effect then with lack of penetration on the thicker stuff.
I disagree with you 100% person needs to drop the amps. And feed welding thicker material, you often run multiple passes. 5 " to 1",thickness, isn't going to hold with a single pass. If you are welding 18 Guage and thicker. A good welder can do it using .045. But if you don't have a few years experience, I'd recommend. 028 for 18- and thinner. Or maybe gas weld it using a triple 0 ( 000) gas welding tip or smaller.
I started welding in 1978. Just retired last year due to wear and tear on the body. I understand weekend welders perspective. But concerning the industry standards. You are mistaken.
This hurts my welding codes,
welcome to slag inclusion and no pens traction kids
6013 is something, isn't it?
This got nothing to do with secret welding trick welders dont want to speak about , it about adjusting your weldingmachine the right way , and knowing HOW to weld ,something you apparantly have to learn . Stitching is not welding !! If you welded this with a 2.5mm rod from the top down on 75 Amps you can run a full bead .
It's absolutely true.
Chosing the correct rod and amperage settings will give you a superior weld both structurlly and asthetically. Just because you can strike an arc doesn't mean you can weld. What you're doing here, everytime you restart the arc, is pull the impurities the previous weld's flux brought to the surface back into your weld. Not a good weld by any stretch. #hownottoweld #CertifiedGapWelder
That sounds right. It means every time you strike an arc stop, clean and strike again, I tried to repair my wheel barrow as the bowl is .5mm thick. I tried stick and mig. The mig on low voltage built up and when I grinded I was not satisfied with the penetration. Then I used stick and turned up the amperage to do the stop start method stopping to brush after each strike. Well. it built up a solid weld although increasing holes once patching to the old .5mm steel. I heard you can use copper and mig weld onto that.
When I first started welding a couple of decades ago I used nails to span large openings and was very lazy in cleaning work before welding.
@@ron1martens mig (GMAW) you dont need to clean. FCAW you do. So if you're using gas you can pulse the gun with higher amperage without the constant cwire brushing. FCAW is only good, in my opinion, for welding outside where your gas shield is likely to be blown away. Dual shield is good though.
@@byron7165 Thankyou Byron. I just have gassless. I was referring to when I was using the stick welder when cleaning. I"m going to have another go very soon to see if any progress.
If you know what you're doing it can done with one continuous bead...
Chip the flux off the filler rod for better job with less impurity in weld.
Inclusions and porosity! I'm no expert and still learning myself, but your amperage was WAY too high the first go round. The second is honestly pretty garbage. You welded over your slag and you could probably break that weld very easily. On your old welding trick, that's also called Texas Tig and yes you are adding additional filler metal when you have a huge hole to fill. In the case of this video, you had to resort to it due to improper skills and poor technique which resulted in horrible fit-up. With my welder I have run a 3/32" (2mm) rod down to 60 amps with hot start on 1/8" steel. It still blows the hole at the beginning, but I can go back and fill it up as I'm running a bead and the bead is the correct temperature. I haven't had to weld anything thinner just yet with my stick welder, but you could Texas Tig thinner metal directing the heat towards the thicker filler rod which will melt both sides of the weld pool. If it's too thin, TIG or MIG weld it. There's a reason there are other welding processes.
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You're going to get laughed out of a job interview if you do this.
In 1965 I was a student in an aircraft mechanic's school, and I learned to do much better welds than you see here using an oxyacetylene torch and flux-coated rods. I would not want to go up in an airplane with a tube frame welded with the crappy joints in this video.
This is a last weld on a Friday type of weld
It turned out some crap with craters
Very Interesting
Stop and go is wrong lean how to weld before you make how to video . Lower your amps used the right rod 7014 1/8 and weld down hill
That method work fairly well when welding exhaust tubing. I built my first exhaust system with a stick welder using the "tack method". Now I get frisky with it and tig braze it or I acetylene braze it just for kicks and giggles. Seals alot better than most anything though especially half rusted out and to thin to really even mig weld the tubing. Best part with brazing, doesn't have to be super clean pipe.
IF YOU USE 7014 3/32 WITH ABOUT 70 AMP IT WOULD WORK BETTER AND NEATER
6010 0r 7010,lets you break an arc and go right back in for a 2nd puddle.7018 however burns back up in the flux so you end up tapping it to get it started...
Best learning videos I have seen. No pointless chit chat. Priceless. Thank you.
Im hoping this is what we call "sarcasm"... Because if thats your idea of welding, hopefully no ones lifes at risk of it holding !!!!
Yeah just like the person above me said, those welds are insanely bad and can actively put people's lifes at risk.
I found the best way to bridge/fill a gap on thin steel is to reverse the polarity, also find that comet j low hydrogen rods are best
i am not a pro welder... but i can see that this person has there welder settings way to high when it burns right threw the pipe. & sorry using another stick to fill a gap is a total beginner trick, if you want to call it a trick.
This situation is why I love my MIG. I never have had the skill or talent to arc weld thin material.
@Thomas Franklin thank you Thomas. I will try that. I have always said a monkey can MiG. It takes a craftsman to weld.
MIG welding (GMAW or Gas Metal Arc Welding) is great for thin metal like sheet metal but it can be done with SMAW (Stick welding).
Use E6012 to weld a thin metal with with 2.5mm stick use betwenn 55 to 80 amp. And NEVER sold from up to town.
I guess they didn't clean the stuff before welding in the 60s,
The first person I have seen with all these red seal welders in the comments first thing everyone is taught clean clean clean. Well done 👍
It's not a trick just use the correct rod and amperage to suit the metal thickness
Welding galvanized tube is dangerous! Strip the plating first!
You have smaller sticks, use less amps and the small sticks to lay a proper bead.
Using rod to fill gaps isn't good, use a strip of the same pipe to fill the gap.
Muiriatic Acid removes zinc galvanization. Wear PPE and avoid the fumes. the fumes from the lead can cause lung and brain cancer and a number of neurological issues.
Excellent tutorial
well, this just solved my problem. thanks a lot !!!
Electrode negative and downhand works decent too
I have a feeling that will be double Dutch to this guy 😒
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You aint welding my roll cages.
"A grinder and paint
Makes me the welder I aint"
VeryGood
It's a technique, and a very valuable technique.
Sand (dry) inside the pipe tends to support the thin wall and stop it from collapsing or burning through. Likely contaminates the weld inside the pipe but appears to work well with my basic welding skills. Like to hear any theory why it appears to stop the thin pipe wall burn through.
The wall can collapse easily without the support of the sand.
The sand is simply working as a backer and a heat sink , less amps and a better rod choice will do the trick with a lot less messing about.
@@tomthompson7400 Thanks for the explanation.
The secret is that you need to turn your machine down you junk yard dummy
fixing the hole was the best part
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Good👍
This is NOT an old trick from the 60s, lol!! This is what people who don't know how to weld do.
ok I did this both the hole and fill part but what amperage did you have going? Was it 110 or 220?
Gracias por la enseñanza
90k subscribers?
More like 90k dipshits
Steve i`v been welding 45 years pipe welding 18 of those years don`t need a trick if u know how to weld.
Bonjour merci.
how to get a wider audience with this video?
please answer. thanks
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I like the first attempt better.
So I work in an aluminum assembly plant. We fire people for not knowing how to properly tune there machine for the thickness of material. BUT this is something we do for a quick patch job lol
Always better to fire people rather than help them improve themselves 👍
LOL..burning a little hot there arn't ya fella
ein sehr schönes Video, finde ich prima.
Great tip,, thanks
What a mess. Just use a smaller rod and turn the machine down. That'll do it right the first time. If you weld like you just did, you'd be fired by noon.
thanks mister
What you don't see is all the slag trapped in that weld.
Stitching is very common, as is using a filler rod with other-than-TIG. “Texas TIG” is using a second flux rod as filler while stick welding a gap. I’ve personally had great results using steel hydraulic brake line as filler for MIG and flux core. This video demonstrates nothing more than the common-sense approach of someone determined to teach themselves.
You could literally just whip weld and keep the beads integrity
some people comment that if you have the right amperage/rod/skill you could stick weld thin metal like this with a continuous bead. I've never seen it. Show me. Post a link.
I don't have a video but it is possible to weld thin metal. You "weave" the rod back and forth to keep the arc but it keeps the heat lower than just straight line pass. DC current works better for thinner metals in my opinion because it's a steady arc.
Seems to be he is right no video proof. Unicorns are real too
Looks like more work than necessary, mig or flux weld it on low amps.
Nice joint welding
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Lol.....some badass stick-tig you got going there. Just curious, do they refer to you as flapper wheel or tiger paw at work?
No meu tempo de solda 'chamava isso de bacalhau. Velhos tempos "Belos Dias. INDAIATUBA SP Brasil. EDGARD DIAS.
with Mig and Tig this sort of method went out of style.. most have mig machines and a avid welder has many welding process machines.. during the 60s the avg welder only had stick..
But it’s 2022. Get a mig welder
I don't think they had tiktok welding tutorials in the 60s...this weld is full of slag inclusions and is not as strong as it could be.
A proper welder would use a smaller diameter elecrode, lower amperage and switch to straight polarity on thin material.
Also, I'd like to see this method used with 7018, it's not possible which is why he's most likely using 6011 or 6010.
Don't believe everything you see on the internet kids.
This is a great idea that no one told.
You better not try X-ray ing that Mexican tig
Grinder and paint makes a welder I ain’t
I came here to learn a "trick".
Shame I got tricked instead.
in the first minutes you had more current!
No se emplean los electrodos rutilos para tubos de alta presión. Ese tipo de electrodos, (que son más fáciles para soldar por interrupción), solo se emplean para puertas, escaleras y cosas así. En industria solo utilizamos electrodos básicos.
Y ese tipo de soldadura no es de los años 60. Ahora también lo sueldan así OBLIGATORIAMENTE porque en caso contrario, el baño gotearía.
Lower your amp and run your electrode travel uphill
Texas tig
In my previous life ; I was a house marten In my next life, I'll be a Rattle snake 😂
Great tricks thanks!
Would that be the early or latter half of the 60s?
High chance of slag inclusion - 1st year apprentice. Well done
Good old slug welding. Gotta love it.
All of that wont hold. We call that spot welding your better off without a flux produced weld. Because your trapping slag aka flux causing uncertainty in the penetration of the weld if you turn your amperage down you should be able to penetrate without eating the metal
LOLOL no. You stitch from different places so the heat doesn't blow it out. Slowly stitch it from the ends and middle until its welded, then put a cap weld over all of it.
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As soon as I saw the finger wiggle I knew this video would be useless
Holy man this helped me so much I was trying to figure out why mine kept making holes
Incorrect rod and too much amperage. You can butt-weld 16 ga steel with the correct rod and amperage.
Dude you’re embarrassing yourself. First- when welding a notched pipe, start in middle, go down one way, then another bead from middle down the other side. And wouldn’t recommend doing with stick, I’d use mig. Plus, no shop ever would approve that garbage. The green check marked weld you did, terrible. You could stitch weld or the whip method if that’s what you’re going for, or use a 6010 rod
omg i dont think my boss would be happy whit that.
Meh, a little grinding and paint and it'll pass! /sarcasm
Thats my face melting
Not a trick. You just can't weld.
What exactly was the old trick here? The 60s? Welding was invented and widespread well before the 60's. It's never been a secret on how to weld thin metal or close up holes.
Its funny that ship builders used that idea way back when they needed to fill in the gaps in hull plates..cheers...thks for sharing
this is how to be a Butcher! the only thing missing is the butchers white and blue aprin and the Knives hanging off his belt!!!
💕🇨🇦🙏 thank you. This is a clever technique to cover holes.
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Thanks for the information very cool idea give you a thumbs up on that brother
this start-stop method wont work on 7018 or 6018..because it burns up into the flux and then to restart you have to tapm it way too many times to get it tpo restart...THE REAL SECRET IS 6010 ROD..YOU can restart immediately..time after time.actually ,if its important or xrayed it wont fly as youll have flux in the weld...its ok for a jake leg just trying to get by!..but i bet in an xray ,YOU WOULD BE FLUXED!
They gave you the dummy leg lol
Spot welding. Problem with that is you don’t get the penetration that you need
Not spot welding. Completely different than spot welding. Spot welding is resistance welding, not arc welding.
@@andrewalexander9492 still don’t get penetration like you should. That’s the point.
thanks for sharing;
please, what are the settings : Amp ? diameter of the welding rod?, thickness of metal tub?
did you watch the video? at 23 seconds he shows it. 2.6mm E6013 70 amp
@@MuzzleVelocity thanks, i didn't see it at first time ;)
Que amperes usa y que tipo de varilla 6013?
depende del lo grosor del material que vas a soldar
Is this guy mute? I didn't know I needed to know sign language to understand this video.
That looks good 😒