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- While I support some chiropractic efforts in the lumbar spine, I don’t support “popping” joints, cervical manipulation, or Y-strap traction. In this video I explain the risks of Y-strap manipulations to hopefully educate and inform!
Thanks for the info Doc! I’ve been curious about this myself.
Of course!
After having had the Y strap done on myself (and loving the results), and having listened to the opinions of this professional spine doctor, I believe there needs to be some concrete Y strap studies done by impartial 3rd parties (not chiropractors and not spine doctors and not Y strap manufacturers). It's called science.
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I asked my chiropractor and he also said it's dangerous although some hand held manual techniques are just as close but never directly pulling your skull off your spine
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Thank you so much!! I’ve been so curious about these videos, but wondering if they cause internal decapitations. Not really, but they sure can do a lot of major damage! Thank you so much, please keep making your videos! I am a DDD sufferer at L4-5 and L5-S1 with spinal stenosis also in both joints.
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Y strap is not meant to adjust. It’s a decompression technique. Machines do the same movement just slower. So what you’re saying is traction all together is non effective. It just goes back. Also it doesn’t go around their chin, it’s the base of their skull.
A lot of what you’re saying is speculation. This technique has been around for 40 years. Why hasn’t it been banned prior? They’re not trying to dislocate the skull. It is jarring and scary but having bones nearly fusing themselves together is also scary and painful. Most having y-strap are getting it as part of a treatment program. It’s not just y-strap. If it was I’d be on your side. However, when people live with chronic pain and compression of those vital and sacred things in and around the vertebrae, this rapid traction technique will cause relief. Not just some euphoric I didn’t die fog.
You have valid points and I respect your anatomical analysis. But when you’re doing something like this you should understand the process and what it’s used for before spouting your own opinions. Watching a video short doesn’t make you understand a process. Be careful when giving information. Stick to facts so you don’t make accusations or false claims about people, techniques, or motivations.
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Why isn't Y-strap traction made an illegal practice whereby chiropractic doctors would be disciplined? If it's so dangerous then a regulatory body should legislate accordingly.
Not sure
Because there is no danger. Surgeons just want your money. These guys make like 500k a year and if someone can fix an issue for 80 bucks that's a threat to the cash cow.
There needs to be scientific studies done before you can pass legislation. Just because one spine doctor is of the opinion that it is too dangerous and should not be done is not enough for me to call for it to be outlawed. Maybe spine surgery should be outlawed. lol I would not be surprised if real studies were done that showed spine surgeries are much more dangerous than the Y strap. Impartial, 3rd party studies need to be conducted on the Y strap. I am not pro or con for the Y strap but I did have it performed on myself and it seems to have helped me by lowering the level of my constant chronic low grade pain (40 years going now).
@@ninja3687I highly doubt that
@@ninja3687 - Chiropractors are dangerous frauds.
The purpose is not to take the skull off the spine. The procedure's purpose is to pen the facet joints. It's helpful for the discs because it helps hydrate them by reducing the pressure on them. Chiropractors ask a lot of questions before doing this procedure to prevent harm. Also, many people do have relief. This person seems like he wants more people to go through surgery than have them have relief without surgery.
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@@DonnallySpineConsultbest response haha thanks for the video doc. Are there risks of pinching a nerve after separation from the y strap.”?
U keep doing those y straps bud
My MIL had a stroke few days after getting a neck adjustment she was in her late 70's. She suddenly couldn't write having problems spelling words and was confused. Eventually someone got her to the hospital by then it had resolved itself lucky for her. She no longer goes to the chiropractor anymore I know some chiropractors won't do neck manipulation on someone that old probably a good idea.
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Maybe every chiropractor operates differently? I had lost feeling of my right arm for 3 months due to years of wrestling and MMA. Went to a couple of spine doctors and right away they wanted to do surgery.
Got treated by a chiropractor and he preformed adjustments daily for 8 weeks, along with some at home exercises (including the Y strap) its now been 2 years and feel great took xrays before and after and there was some serious restoration in my spine.
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No disrespect doctor but I went for pain in my neck to people like you and was given oxytocin years ago. It honestly about destroyed my life and did NOT relieve my condition!! I was always told that chiropractors were quacks but I ran out of options. I went and got adjusted and I am here to tell you that you that at least for me I am drug free and pain free. Thank god I wasn’t some drug addicted statistic!!!
There are like tens of thousands of spine doctors, one have you a narcotic way back in the day. I’m not personally offended by the treatment back then and I’m surprised you put all
Docs in the same boat
@@DonnallySpineConsult what the fuck did you just say as a reply? ?
I AM A CHIROPRACTOR AND I WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO MY PATIENTS AND THIS TECHNIQUE WAS NEVER AND IS NOT TO THIS DAY, TAUGHT AS A PROPER CHIROPRACTIC ADJUSTMENT IN ANY CHIROPRACTIC COLLEGE!!! I can tell from this Dr.s explanation on degenerative disc and loss of lordosis that he needs to brush up on his cause and effect of degeneration, which is not a natural process but often due to external factors of prolonged postural stress and past injuries. I AGREE WITH HIM, THIS TECHNIQUE IS DANEROUS!!
Wow thanks doc!
Cervical traction is the only thing that has given me any sort of relief with my neck pain. But it only does so much. It truly feels like i need a greater stretch. Which seems to be the y strap adjustment. I've been very tempted to try it. Do have any other recommendations that I should try? I'm desperate. It's been years now since my neck pain started.
Thank you
Ever try an inversion table completely inverted? It may help.
Your reply to her comment is “thank you”. What kind of bonehead are you?
So would any type of chiropractic adjustments cause issues?
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Are they cleaning that velco strap after each use?
No clue
As a chiro I believe this guy is right
Y axis straps should be used for traction not gapping OA joint
Unsafe
This guy needs to lose the scarf though
Thanks friend
Fantastic video Doc! It always looked like some sort of medieval torture device to me. Anybody who thinks this is therapeutic is nuts!
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what is he waring on his head? chiro's always do proper assestment before aadjustment in order to avoid damage
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Wow! I was actually going to do it. But I won't do it now
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Just hearing the sound is a red flag that is a dangerous technique
Thanks for the follow
Every one of those patients looks like they're in pain when dude pulls on the neck. My most recent chiropractor uses an instrument that gently taps on me and that's all it takes to get stuff back in place. Now I have degenerative disc scoliosis which they told me there was nothing they could do to correct it, only stop it from getting worse. I'm in such horrid pain most of the time I was willing to try anything but of course it didn't help my pain. I think I've figured out the pain is from the big back muscle being constantly inflamed and swollen. I get a tiny bit of relief from the trigger point shots but they only last about 4 days. I'm truly at a loss and sick to death of living with this pain because honestly I'm not living, just hanging around waiting to die.
Try wearing a $20 CVS brand cervical collar from CVS. Changed my life. I just wear it all day and my neck has healed over months. It gently keeps it decompressed. Then I use a hard roller or tennis balls along the floor on my thoracic to decompress that part. You’d be amazed at how your body can heal itself.
They for sure have a good role in non op care! Just adding to some of the information out there about this particular intervention 🙌
@@DonnallySpineConsult Dr. I doubt you have options for someone SO MANY STATES AWAY, let alone any time to respond, but TO GET ANY feedback on SAFE surgery options near the Central MidWest Illinois/Missouri Line-for Degenerative Disc in lower lumbar. I've already got arthritis to deal with, and I know only holistic options are best- (I can't STAND BIG PHARMA, dont trust them!). Black seed oil now, every day to lower overall inflammation. Not sure if you even see these, but thank you for all the info you DO provide nonetheless.
@@DonnallySpineConsult thanks for warning people about this dangerous practice. It is difficult to criticise anyone’s practices but in this case I fully stand with you.
It is about time chiropractors and other alternative medicine practitioners are held to same standard as medical practitioners. They have to produce scientific evidence to back up their practices like we are expected to.
I’ve had atleast 30 Ystrap treatments, my head hasn’t popped off yet 🤷♂️ I feel amazing and avoided surgery I knew I’d regret in my later years. My chiro changed my life.
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@@DonnallySpineConsult What does "yes" mean?
@@robmcguckin7605what's going on in your neck that you are seeing the chiropractor?
@@supermushroom3175 My C4 and C5 discs are herniated and one of them seems to be pinching on a nerve causing numbness in my right hand pinky and ring fingers sometimes causing my hand to cramp. I believe in chiropractic but would need to be convinced of a y-strap procedure before I agreed to one.
Could cause a broken neck too say someone had Myeloma which hadn't been diagnosed and it could have compromised spinal bones.
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Can I have your consultation doctor? My doctor said i need a surgery, If it is possible to have a look at my mri for lumbar spine and just give me your impression about that
Hey there, I do about 15 new patient telemedicines every week. Here is the best path forward:
1- email your insurance card to Spine@TSCspine.com
2- if we take that insurance THEN upload your images (get the CD from image center) to my portal for our 1st visit
3- I must have X-rays and MRI, X rays are critical. Just MRI isn’t enough. Need to be from last 12 months. Nothing older is needed, or wanted.
4- You need to get your CD 💿 of your X ray and MRI (imaging centers will never send them to us)
5- On the top of my website (www.DonnallySpine.com) is the link to UPLOAD images, from YOUR HOME! 🤯🥰
6- recap: email us, get CDs, upload
Step by step:
czcams.com/video/HpKOfI_1FSs/video.html
Please before you do anything get a second opinion even a third. I had a dentist that wanted to pull all my teeth and told me there was no hope and that he needed to pull them all out and put in plants in. I found a dentist locally who was able to help me until this day I still have most of my teeth. Pad I let this quack dentist do this, I would have no teeth that would have a $40,000 bill to pay off since insurance doesn't cover implants. I'm not saying that you don't need surgery I'm just saying before you do get surgery get two or three opinions from different doctors and then go from there and make the best choice possible for yourself. Because doctors are like anybody else and they like money. Currently going to a sleep doctor right now who I haven't seen in well over ten months. I just go in every eight weeks and pay my money and leave. It's literally almost like a scam.
Rehab does put you on traction devices. But it's a slow soft pull. Is that OK?
HORSEEESHITTTTT, it's so nice to have this manipulation. Doctor you better go see your 𝘾𝙝𝙞𝙧𝙤𝙥𝙧𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙘
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Dale Earnhardt comes to mind when I watch these y-strap videos. RIP
Yikes
How come we haven't seen one dead person or handicapped person from having the ring dinger done?
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It will also cause ligament laxity and cause cervical instability which i am telling u is one of the worse things ever to treat if you ever find someone to treat you...
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I had a chiropractor do an adjustment very similar to the ystrap. It got rid of a significant amount of upper back pain that ive had for years. I don't know if I agree with the surgeon. This adjustment helped me alot.
Does that pain relief last?
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Addictive pills that 100% cause more problems and euphoria or surgery that follow more pills is a better alternative!😅
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now pls commment applied to a healthy human whit no deseases but due stress and work may having pain issues on the neck?
cuz everything u say is when the pateint have desieses o yea what briliant doctor you are, now talk about what most pep have
have pain in mussels for lack of rest, a lot of stress and to much work,
talk about that now pls
Thank you for sharing
Ring dingers are saving so many ppl from unnecessary surgery these guys are losing money! 😂
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😂😅😂😅 ya they are taking businesses from the surgeons 🤦🏽♂️. My unko bare could walk coz of back pain and his dr said he need surgery but he scared of knife so he didn’t want chiropractor either but knife scared him to chiropractor and after 2 adjustment he was out fishing again 🤦🏽♂️
They provide business
I agree, but you being in that cheesy green screen office makes think your not credible 😂
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its hard to take you serious when youre wearing that funny lookin party hat
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These Spine Surgeons are the worst. Makes Hundreds and Thousands of Dollars and the patient is worse than he started off from, see 2 friends who have had thier spine fused and disc removed regrett it to this day.
I think I’m pretty good and helpful
Take a look at a spine surgeons malpractice insurance versus a chiropractor. We pay less in one year than surgeons pay in a month. Most common incident is a broken rib, not severing arteries or decapitating people. This guy is just fear mongering. That being said, I do feel y-straps are being used very liberally.
I support chiropractic doctors. Just not this treatment. Yes- I would hope a spine surgeon has a higher malpractice insurance than any non-operative medical professional.
His surgeon doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’ve done this for over 25 years with no adverse reactions.
Well maybe you should quit while you’re ahead - before you destroy someone’s life
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After my experience, I say : Avoid spine surgeons, they mostly ruin your back, and you are going to suffer more pain and immobility than before surgery!
Good call, avoid the tens of thousands of them and live in pain. Smart idea
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It's simply astounding to witness the depth of ignorance exhibited by one such as yourself, Dr. Donnally, particularly when the topic at hand is the realm of Chiropractic and the Y-strap adjustment. Your misguided assumption that the Y-strap is a potential cause for vertebral artery injury is a testament to your limited understanding. It's actually the lateral adjustments that carry a modicum of risk of such injury, and even then, the probability of a stroke is minuscule.
The fact that life is fraught with risk is a universally accepted truth. The irony, of course, is that your comparison neglects to mention the considerably higher risks we take each day as we engage in mundane activities such as driving. And speaking of risks... aren't you a Spine Surgeon? The hazards associated with your profession dwarf those attributed to chiropractic adjustments.
Your trade involves the literal invasion of the body's integrity, slicing through skin, muscles, nerves, and tendons. The litany of complications ranges from infection, bleeding and hematoma, dural tears, and cerebrospinal fluid leakage, to nerve damage or neurological complications, hardware fracture or malfunction, nonunion of the vertebrae, deep vein thrombosis, anesthesia risks, chronic pain, and the humiliating necessity for reoperation following unsuccessful attempts to eradicate symptoms.
It is vital to emphasize as well, that after a chiropractic adjustment-when the patient feels immediate relief-it is then incumbent upon the patient to engage in the necessary corrective actions to tackle the underlying issues that brought them to the chiropractor in the first place. Each patient's path to recovery will, of course, be specific to their unique circumstances. In stark contrast, those undergoing surgery face an even more daunting challenge. They are compelled to not only embark on their own corrective regime but also manage the healing of surgical wounds, which inevitably adds layers of complexity and extends their recovery timeline.
As someone well-versed in the field of surgery, you surely understand that many patients fail to strictly adhere to post-operative protocols, which can lead to further complications. Consequently, they find themselves wrestling with long-term issues stemming from the surgery itself, on top of dealing with the initial problems that prompted them to seek medical attention in the first place.
Do understand that I'm not asserting there's no place for spinal surgery, for in certain cases it's nothing short of miraculous. However, your skewed portrayal of chiropractic as an inherently dangerous practice is grossly misleading and displays an alarming bias. You belittle the Y-strap as though the countless videos showcasing its successful application simply vanish into oblivion.
Dr. Joseph Cipriano DC has amassed a staggering 900+ videos on CZcams alone, bearing witness to the efficacy of the Y-strap adjustment, with Dr. Alex Tubio following closely with over 800+ such videos. Hundreds upon hundreds of people weep in relief, their symptoms alleviated in an instant in most cases.
In addition, it is highly inappropriate and ineffectual to assess your practice by juxtaposing it with the least proficient examples from another field, as you often do by cherry-picking the least favorable chiropractic cases. It's akin to using the most inept or dire scenarios from chiropractic practice and unfairly comparing them to an average or even a best-case surgical outcome. Your methods of comparison do not stand up to logical scrutiny, demonstrating a notable lack of balanced analysis.
The audacity with which you make unfounded claims about a field far removed from your expertise is, frankly, appalling. One would hope that you'd take the time to educate yourself before formulating an opinion on the Y-strap adjustment, lest you dissuade those who might genuinely benefit from it.
The unfounded bias you propagate may deter potential patients from ever experiencing the benefits of chiropractic care. Despite what you may believe, you do not have the authority or the credentials to disparage the effectiveness of chiropractic treatments. That's equivalent to a chiropractor giving a sermon on the nuances and risks of spinal surgery.
Given that you're a surgeon, it's disheartening that you fail to recognize your place in the therapeutic hierarchy, namely, as a last resort. It would be wise of you to respect the process that patients should exhaust all non-invasive options before resorting to the trauma of the operating table.
They no longer teach this in chiropractic school. I support chiropractors. They have a good role. This procedure does not.
@@DonnallySpineConsult In most professional settings in north America today including psychiatry if you are not gender affirming you are breaking the law and now effectively sentencing someone to die. Just because a governing body has made certain changes doesn't always represent that is for the better of the people. Mushrooms for example were and are still to this day banned Yet are by far the most effective method for treatment of patients with depression and addiction according to research facility John Hopkins and many others now. There is no question that the y strap is an amazing tool and adjustment. Just watch 1000's of people get relief from it on Alex Tubio's and Joseph's channel. What I am about to say is anecdotal however, I had 8 years of severe back pain that never went away. I couldn't stand for more than 20-40 minutes without an increasing sensitivity that would progressively scale to the point at 2-3 hours of doing it I would be feeling ill and someone get to the point of throwing up. I couldn't sit for longer than about an hour without shooting pain and a building sensitivity as well. This issue by the way was mostly acute. It happen during a stunt. And slowly got worse over time. I am a stunt professional here in Vancouver and got treatment from over 40 professionals of all different kinds over the 8 years RMT, active release theory, chiropractic, thai massage, and about 4 other types of treatments none of which changed anything. I tried myself in disparity to do things with no beneficial effect. Finally found both those guys I mentioned online could get to them as they are in the US and so studied their methods and did it to myself with a friend. I used a car axel strap a piece Pvc pipe for a handle and a towel to soften the edges of the strap. I have it on video and that one strong decompression had an extremely sharp pain on the pull that was followed by the deepest relaxation I have felt in my life. Since that moment I have been pain free. 0 pain. The adjustment was done once and never again. So since then everyone that has known me and my situation has come to me asking me about it and I don't do this adjustment for anyone but my closest family and friends that all understand in the event of stroke or complication it was 100 on them but insisted I give them the same adjustment and so I did. 50 year olds 25 year old I have with only one adjustment helped over 20 people now. And it has made massive change in their lives. So I don't ask if it's affecting between my own anecdotal experiences and the 1000s of documented cases online is very clear it's highly effective. I just had to share with you this because I I had been in so much pain for so long that I was going to end my life and not because I was sad or depressed but because I didn't see an end to the pain and I just wanted peace. for almost a decade I tried to solve the issue. If people saw your message and this video and put off trying this adjustment it could be so harmful to the path. The risks and harm of this adjustment are so low and safe when done correctly that it would be a shame for people to not try it before going under the knife. I would look to take this video down and just reconsider the effects of could have brother. Really not an empowering video.
I'm with you on this, I've been going to Chiropractors for over 22 yrs. and was only asked by one Chiropractor if I want them to use the Y strap and I said hell no! Thanks!
It's CZcams comments not CZcams books.
These videos of spine surgeons, neurosurgeons, orthopedists, and other Medical professionals claiming that Chiropractic is dangerous are laughable. They are quacks very similar to the quacks in my profession of Chiropractic who make outrageous claims. Tens of thousands of Chiropractic adjustments are performed every day without incident. If Chiropractic was at all as dangerous as they claim we would have been out of business a long time ago. Furthermore, our malpractice insurance would literally be through the roof. My malpractice insurance is about $1100 a year. I have been practicing for almost 24 years, and I have heard the Medical claims that Chiro is dangerous over and over again. The fact is that there is no evidence that it is dangerous. Are there quacks in Chiropractic? Absolutely! Are there medical doctors that make statements that are not supported by evidence? Absolutely!
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@@DonnallySpineConsult Doc, what kind of an answer is this? I'm interested in a consult. WTF? lol
Words well spoken. 🙏
So the drugs you prescribe are safe?!? You are full of it!
Yikes, pretty rude
@@DonnallySpineConsult Nah, he's just being truthful. How many people are put at risk by anesthesia? My mom used to work at a doctors office. I know how much money you guys make from those pharma sponsorships.