Most Overrated Directors III
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You're the only CZcamsr I've come across who caught that clear reference to Magnolia in Euphoria's season 1carnival episode. That had PTA written all over it.
Jordan Peele. There. I said it.
Yeah. Get Out held up for me, but Us and Nope were flawed as hell I thought.
nope
Bingo
Just facts.
So brave
Love this discussion. Wish more of the internet was like this!
Personally whenever ive had an issue with a director feeling overhyped, Ive always taken a step back and tried to watch their other works in isolation, without any online reviews or narrative to cloud judgement. Almost always Ive walked away with something and appreciated what they’re going for, which means I can approach their next release with a sense of enthusiasm rather than distain. I may not like some but ill adore others which is worth its weight in gold
Such a shame to think what people are missing out on just because they got wrapped up on a hate train or got told these movies “aren’t for them”
Art is meant to be divisive and thats a good thing.
Taika Waititi. Just the worst.
finally,someone who's brave enough to call him out.
He would be great as a sitcom writer. But all his movies feel like sitcoms.
I haven't seen enough of his work to be able to comment on him. But as a personality, his smugness is off-putting to me.
Taika's fine, not overrated not underrated, he's rated correctly, which is to say, he's a talented writer/director who has a quirky sensibility. The problem of saying he is overrated is to ask the question, "by who"? People who don't like his style are certainly not rating him highly; and people who love his style rightfully love him.
The problem of this whole "overrated" business is everyone is overrated by fans and underrated by haters. Also, for someone who's been working for so long, Taika Waititi's renown is not nearly as high as some of his peers. He's definitely not overrated by the general public. Most people who don't watch movies regularly don't even know who he is.
@@deepfocuslens Well you put into words why I couldnt sit through one of his screenplay lectures lol
The Wes Anderson comment was spot on! Thanks to the person who wrote it.
And you got me thinking on Guaragnino, even though that final scene in "Call me by your name" with the father really got to me.
Agree with her analysis here. Rushmore is legit one of my favorite movies. After that? Some good movies, entertaining movies but ... mostly movies from which the viewer often "feels removed from the characters and removed from the stories." Again, agreeing with her, Moonlight Kingdom is an exception. Easily my #2 Anderson movie.
Strangely his stop-action movie, Isle of Dogs, has a heart and makes a connection with the viewer greater than most of his previous movies. He's a good director, but probably overrated. I'm still glad he's doing what he's doing. He makes unique stuff. Including his series of shorts on Netflix.
Hey. I was wondering if you were going to be reviewing sound of freedom
Are there ANY well-known directors who can't be accused of being overrated? How many masterpieces does a filmography need before a director is immune?
7
They be calling Kubrick overrated because he doesn't "show" emotions or that Scorsese is too grounded or some bs. No one is safe from being overrated.
That’s exactly what makes it so fun, isn’t it?
@@maciejatkowski5524 true its just funny to note thats all
You can't call someone overrated even if you don't like them if they have 5 classics especially in different genres and longevity. Spielberg has mostly sucked for the last 20 years or so but the man gave us Jaws, Close Encounters, E.T., The first 3 Indy movies, Jurassic Park, Schindler's List and others. Marty and Kurbick are also all time greats. Francis Ford Coppola is an interesting debate because he seemed to burn himself out pretty young and nothing he made from the mid-80s and on was anything great but Godfather 1, 2, Apocalypse Now, The Conversation are in debate for maybe the best movies ever made and The Outsiders is a grade below those movies but still a borderline classic.
These discussions are absolutely important, and I think people need to be more realistic about the things that they like. In general taste is created individually through our own experiences and exposure to the world. I think all art is valid, but not everything is for everyone. In fact, everybody's particular tastes are the reason we have such diversity in the art world in the first place. Maybe I'm less sensitive because I'm a Harmony Korine fan 🤣, but I think as you said listening to people criticizing the things you like forces you to think about why you like them yourself, which is really a beneficial process for your perspective.
Is “The Room” a bad film just in my opinion, based on my subjective taste, or is “The Room” actually, objectively, a bad film, regardless of anyone’s opinion?
@@maciejatkowski5524 The Room is enjoyed and actually loved by many many people therefore it CAN be good despite it not succeeding at generalised criteria for what makes a good film in the first place. Any film CAN be good to anyone no matter what it is. It's just that what people generally mean by objectivity, is a certain criteria of film rules that applies to them. It's funny because objectivity to one person may be a different criteria for another, making it subjective again.
@@rohanbeer1654 That's a thoughtful comment. I just wanted to ask something that would challenge this view of subjectivity, that's all. I think it's an interesting subject, and not that simple to answer.
@@thomaswinkelmair9717 What are you doing at a movie review channel then? If you don't care about that, that's fine. I and him think differently.
@@thomaswinkelmair9717 then why even watch a video like this at all bud? Importance is placed by the people involved, if we find value from these discussions then that's great. If you don't you don't. But clearly people do otherwise this whole community where PEOPLE DISCUSS FILM wouldn't even exist. Nobody is saying that people shouldn't like certain things based on these discussions, nobody is.
Have you seen The Menu? I'd love to hear your take on it.
Just came across your channel. You're really cool!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Completely echo every one of these choices.
Looking at their respective movies, I feel like the confused kid looking on at a naked, parading emperor while the onlookers ohh and ahh over his beautiful new robes.
But clearly, I am not alone!
You and I have have gone from Subscriber / Content Provider to best buds.
(Yes….I am 100% guilty of confirmation bias).
Tarantino, is so overrated, and his fans are the worst, the guy is good but they think he is Kubrick or Hitchcock
Definitely not Kubrick but still solid director
Now Kubrick is overrated. Actually he's my pick, lol
Thanks for another very fun video. It was really interesting.
Having rewatched them both recently, The Master is PTA's best movie, even better than There Will Be Blood. It's ambiguous to be sure, but if you really think about it, it has a lot to offer. It's one of those movies that takes on many different topics simultaneously, which is why I think so many people struggled with it, as most of us try to boil a movie down to "what was it REALLY about". That's very difficult with The Master but I think it has insights on many topics. Plus top notch acting and beautiful cinematography. It's also absolutely hilarious if you view it as a pitch black comedy, which I think it ultimately was.
I totally agree, it’s his best film
I’ve never gotten to that point with the Master, it’s his most intellectually dense film, so I know it’s great but I don’t connect with it like TWBB and Punch Drunk Love.
The Master and TWBB are tied ... equally brilliant, and WAY at the top of his oeuvre
I really wanna love it. I always felt like the last forty minutes just kinda trail off. I honestly think Licorice Pizza is his best since TWBB.
@@adamgates1142 I didn’t care for that one
I'm always kind of afraid to admit I don't like PTA because I know I'm missing something and don't know why I can't connect to it. I feel like one more rewatch might actually change mind. Also Nolan should be there haha
I'll admit I watched this expecting to find a reason to ignore your opinions on movies. That's usually what happens for me in videos with similar titles. Not here though. For one, I do agree with most things you say, and two, even when I disagree your points are so genuine and well explained and well informed I see your point. I binged a few videos and so far think you are one of the best movie critics I've found on CZcams. I need someone with your knowledge and opinions to talk movies with haha.
I think most people around me are getting tuned out because all the mainstream movies are so terrible, but there are actually a ton of fantastic movies still coming out. They are just ignored in the mainstream. It's nice hearing good opinions from people who care about the medium.
Working at the admiral theater in west Seattle for a long time is part of why I loved Grand Budapest hotel. There is something to be said for falling in love with an old building. Best first job ever. Quit once, got fired once and left on good terms finally.
I'd be curious to hear your take on one of my favorite american filmmakers- actor turned director, john cassavetes, who featured his wife, the great gena rowlands...a woman under the influence, minnie and moskowitz, faces..
How do you rate a director, how do you isolate their contribution to the project?
What ever I liked or disliked in a movie how do I attribute it to the director?
Cast Away has some gorgeous shots and it works despite a large portion of the film being completely without dialogue. Really made me think twice about dismissing Zemeckis.
For me Phantom Thread and The Master are right there at the same level as There Will Be Blood, i heard people mention this alot, that TWBB is his masterpiece or his perfect movie and the others don't match up with, but i think he got even better after that and Phantom Thread for me is his "perfect" movie.
The Master is his best imo, enigmatic understated piece, the polar opposite of Magnolia (his worst, and one of the worst movies ever made by 'good' actors/director)
@@helvete_ingres4717 OMG finally someone who understands my pain 😂! Watching Magnolia in the theater, surrounded by friends & an utterly enthralled audience, beside my GF who was practically climaxing the entire runtime, I sat in my own personal hell. Every frame an agonizing torture. The single worst film going experience of my life (next to The Royal Tannenbaums & Crash). I enjoyed Boogie Nights.
Btw we broke up not long after. Irreconcilable difference of opinion.
I think French Dispatch is really well written, clever and really entertaining. I didn't take much else from it, but I don't believe that was its purpose. I don't go into a Wes Anderson film hoping to get blown away emotionally. They're mostly pure comedies, with a lot of originality.
As far as PTA, there's something about The Master that is some of the most powerful stuff he's ever done. Sure it kind of ends with a bit of a wimper, but I almost don't care. That first hour is just...wow.
The Master and Inherent Vice are not his best, so I found Phantom Thread a return to form.
Please review Bad Lieutenant 2: Port of Call New Orleans! I'm really curious about your take on it.
Martin McDonough is amazing. In Bruges is great, but Banshees is a masterclass.
3 Billboards
This talk about Suspiria reminded me that it'd be nice to see you review Piercing, an odd (even if not entirely successful) movie that's a kind of homage to giallo
I thought I was the only one who had seen that movie lmaooo😅
I absolutely commend and salute you for articulating so brilliantly what I simply haven't the cojones to say about Luca Guadagnino's work - your cutting remarks about "Call Me By Your Name" were especially sobering! I just knew my initial enjoyment of this film had to be somewhat superficial - I simply lacked the ability to articulate why. Thanks for clearing away the mist and turning on the light of RIGOR!
Boogie Nights is Paul’s best movie.
wow, i didn't realise people liked the new suspiria - kinda surprising to hear tbh, I thought it was just dull except for the handful of 'dance' sections. Given the source movie - how they were able to suck the mystery and life out of it was somewhat of an accomplishment really lol.
And apparently in im thinking of ending things Kaufman said his name was chosen randomly as a director it wasn’t intentional.
I mostly agree with your take on Luca, but give Bones and All a watch. It actually really ended up surprising me and was one of my favorite films of last year. I thought the themes presented were all a lot more coherent and not ham fisted like some of his previous works. Timothee is good in it and it’s definitely a role that’s tailor-made for him, but Taylor Russell is the one was the most profound.
yeah Suspiria was pretty mediocre IMO but Bones & All ended up working for me in a way I really didn't expect it to. Both as a really effective gross ass horror movie and a really affecting love story. I was rolling my eyes for half the movie and somehow it just penetrated my skepticism and won me over
@B1 the Arctitect
The ending of Suspiria got a little convoluted but I still enjoyed the world it brought me into and is a much better film than the original which is visually stunning with a great score.
Guadagnino was someone that I really used to love when I was getting into film but as I’ve explored other filmmakers I’ve realized how empty his films are. There is so much wasted potential in his films. I don’t think his films will age very well. In a decade, they’ll be forgotten. Maybe one day he’ll pump out a masterpiece.
Call me by your name is a ceiling he will not reach, I feel. If he be remembered , then it will be CMBYN.
He's also obsessed with teen x adult predatory relationships
@@JaiProdzBecause he made one film about it? How is that obsessed? Was Kubrick a pedophile? Or Clint Eastwood? Or Peter Jackson?
@@brandonavery133 did i say that? Why are you so quick to assume? He has that plot in multiple projects, including a tv show.
Exactly,, his films are empty, but that is true of most directors working today.
Tarantino, not only as a director but also as a writer
I agree. So much of his dialog sounds stupid now.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 always has, but the hype for him in the 90s was crazy, Jackie Brown is a great movie and Django and Kill Bill are entertaining for how wild they are but that’s it (just my opinion)
I don’t care he’s so funny. I feel like I enjoy watching them as much as he enjoys making.
@@rossleeson8626 Funny isn't the first word that comes to mind for Tarantino
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I’d say the humor is basically the link that all of his films share. He’s done a lot of different styles and genres, but almost all of his films have a very similar style of humor that usually comes from the dialogue. I’d absolutely say funnt is one of the first things I think of when I think Tarantino
Ok, what exactly I love about 2018’s Suspiria, that perhaps hasn’t being mentioned. The tone, the architecture of the dance school, aligned with the exteriors, sad and gray, including the wall, matching the old 35mm grainy 70s look, captures perfectly the atmosphere of the context, the sense of dread, isolation, solitude that contrasts directly with the youth and energy of the dancers inside. Around the dancers, the most dominant color is red, anywhere else, it’s pale teal, and grey, which matches with another topic represented by the doctor: shame. In his case, a shameful past, in the case of the school, the presence of sexual energy and youth, freedom, blood and life, that the dance room represents in the middle of a political and economical crisis, things that Markos wants to drain from Susie, while Blanc tries to protect her, Blanc is a survivor, a leader. Markos is a leach. The whole tone of the film is contrasting, it feels purposely cold and unsafe. The ritual scene is very disturbing.
The end was great 👍🏻
I prefer the remake to the original tbh
excellent comment
I’m with you on this. I’m a huge Argento fan and absolutely love the original. However, I’m very impressed with the remake and how much depth it has. To me, it’s an example on how to do a proper remake or reimagining. It’s completely it’s own thing with a very distinct style and identity using the basic premise of the original.
No way, could you replicate the original and I’m thankful he went for something different even down to the aesthetics of the cinematography. Completely different look and, like you said, I love how he replicated the grainy ‘70s style of filmmaking and used mostly muted colours. A huge contrast to the the originals look, which was a mesmerizing anomaly of that time period, and for the best IMHO.
My only complaint, the remake is too long. It didn’t need to be that length at all to tell its story. But, I can let it go, as I can see a real identity and unique eye behind the camera at work.
The original is just a colorized torture porn, typical Argento stuff; hot sexy model who can't act gets brutally murdered.
I watched Dead Meat do a break down on all the murders and besides the first murder I was LoL.
The remake was my pick for best movie of the year.
Robert Zemeckis has been a long-time favorite of mine. I was twelve when Back To The Future was released, and it was the perfect age to see that movie. Since then I've admired his work even when my feelings on the overall films were negative--like you, I think Contact is terrible but there's so much about it that's impressive. And after What Lies Beneath, very little of what he has made has impressed me. I feel that his partnership of writer Bob Gale was crucial to his success, and without Gale, the story construction is lacking. I have not seen his version of Pinocchio, but all indications are it's his worst. Movie. Ever. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
His work on Tales from the Crypt gets overlooked a lot.
@@Bigfrank88 I saw his "killer Santa" episode, but I didn't like it as much as the ones that Richard Donner and Walter Hill directed.
If this makes any sense, I like and dislike Forrest Gump equally….many of the drama moments were genuinely moving and well done, but at the same time I found a lot of it very corny
One bad movie in a career of many...ya'll are funny sometimes.
I really liked The French Dispatch even though I felt that it's not for everyone.
Some of my friends criticized it for making light of actually very serious subjects .... yet ... it is supposed to be a comedy and it is also supposed to have a sort of European vibe to it.
I had a really good time watching it.
When I think most overrated director first thing that comes to my mind is JJ Abrams, and Michael Bay right after
PTA to me is not an overrated filmmaker and I don't consider Blood his best work. It's one of those films that I can't rewatch. It's a very heavy lift for me. I've only seen it twice and probably will never revisit it. Magnolia was interesting. PDL was quirky and fun, as was Vice. But everything else leading up to Pizza was not that interesting. He's definitely a great director, but not all his work is great, if that makes any sense. Pizza was a very cool coming-of-age film that I feel was very under appreciated. Wes Anderson has been repeating himself since Rushmore which was his best work. He hasn't done anything remotely amusing since.
Lars von Trier. He does a great job at creating atmosphere, but I never connect with his characters.
Phantom Thread is sublime and easily on the level of There Will be Blood if you analyze both craftsmanship and acting (it has three insanely skilled main actors), along with more finesse in its tone.
Luca's films understand that not everything has to be respected or developed, IF there is something to compensate for it (like concept and tone). They still make me feel things (art's number one rule). The one significant misstep I've seen from him (between Suspiria, Call Me, and Bones) is casting Swinton as a man in an immersion-breaking way.
Overrated movies next, so we can talk about Shawshank?
Yeah Phantom Thread is awesome.
Phantom Thread is the best PTA for me for sure
Seconded (fourthed): Phantom Thread was masterful. (Btw, nice username; having been vegan for two decades, I'm with you.)
Vicky Krieps was also excellent in the tv series version of Das Boot. Can’t get enough of her and top of the list of actresses I hope to see a ton more in the future.
phantom thread is nowhere near there will be blood
Thank you. This was a very interesting conversation. I could talk about this all day.😊
pls do a video on problems with modern day films!!
im 32 and saw in bruges when i was at end of 31 and i LOVED it. reminded me of the pulp fiction feeling. sort of agree though with the points raised.
A shame you don't like Guadagnino, he's easily one my favourite directors working right now. Call Me By Your Name makes me cry every time I watch it (and kick started my massive crush on Chalamet!), and is in my top ten all time favourite movies. I adore Bones and All as well. I agree with the Suspiria take though, it tried to juggle to many things at once.
My thoughts exactly for your thoughts on Guadagnino
I still think early Guadagnino stuff (I Am Love, A Bigger Splash) is fantastic, but I really HATED Bones and All and was meh on Suspiria. I think he has a lot to offer stylistically.
Say what you will about Robert Zemeckis, I still think Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a technical masterpiece and one of the most influential and important films in terms of the history of animation and how it sparked the Disney Renaissance
was hoping for this vid to be about classic Hollywood directors 1920-1970. Something along the lines of Andrew Sarris" book The American Cinema Directors and Directions. Then I could have chimed in...Oh well....
Regarding Zemeckis, why doesn't anyone ever mention "I Wanna Hold Your Hand", "Used Cars"? They are great.
Used Cars was such a fun movie to see as a kid when it was new! I was maybe 11-12 and went with friends on bikes to the local dollar theater for that one. We didn’t even know what it was. It was just the movie playing that night. I remember how cinematically pleasing it was… great jokes ❤
@@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL It's a hoot! I miss the old Zemeckis that reveled in trashy pop culture zest. Forest Gump was also about pop culture but without the anarchic glee the older Zemeckis had.
@@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL wow I had actually forgotten Zemekis directed that. Might be his second best movie after BTTF.
I loved Used Cars. That was a classic. Red cars really are bad luck, by the way. I would tell you the story but I really don't like to repeat it.
Aw man, I feel like the French Dispatch is Wes's Magnum Opus in a way. Its all his things! I prefer Asteroid City but I feel like French Dispatch and Isle of Dogs have been passed over so much. They are both epic films. So beautifully made
Hahaha... Robert Zemeckis... Okay, to be fair I don’t know the word on the street is but unless people are saying Zemeckis is America’s greatest director, or calling him a Godsend or something, I don’t see how he could be overrated. I’ve seen 10 of his films and one TV show - Johnny Dago - and enjoyed them all to various degrees. They are all entertaining and they all get the asses in the seats so here we go... The Back To The Future Trilogy... one of the greatest trilogies of all time. What else do you want? Forrest Gump and Who Framed Roger Rabbit are exceptional movies but not masterpieces in my opinion. Romancing The Stone, Cast Away, and Contact are very good films I’ve even rewatched them. Death Becomes Her and I Wanna Hold Your Hand are goofy, entertaining, and enjoyably good movies. That’s all I’ve seen of his work. I think that’s enough for him to warrant a great deal of respect. But maybe people were saying his name in hushed tones or something? Confusing him with Kubrick or Fellini were they? Anybody? No? Not sure why he’s overrated.
At the risk of overrating a true master I’d like to focus my praise in huge heaps and piles onto you, Deepfocuslens. Your body of work speaks for itself and has very much enhanced my understanding, enjoyment, and appreciation of film. You’re top level at what you do. Thank you so very much for making videos eh.
Forrest Gump is not an exceptional movie. Very far from it.
I agree, he really is rated fairly, I think most people consider him a good director that has a few great movies under his belt but like you said, I never heard anyone say that he's their favorite or consider him the most talented director.
Because for the last 20 years he's more interested in special effects than telling a good story. (Except for Flight.)
Totally agree with you on Wes Anderson. Haven’t seen French Dispatch yet or even Isle of Dogs, but I wouldn’t say I don’t like him, but he is a bit freshman-film-student-first-favorite-director vibe.
Martin McDonaugh. I still love In Bruges, it’s certainly not perfect, but the comedy mixed with the darker themes still holds up imo. Colin Farrell, Brendan Gleeson, and Ralph Fiennes give some of their best performances.
Seven Psychopaths is not great, it’s not deep, but it’s McDonaugh’s most fun movie. Sam Rockwell and Christopher Walken are amazing, and Colin Farrell plays the straight man very well.
Three Billboards. Definitely his weakest, I saw it once in the theaters and mostly forgot about it except for 1) the great tracking shot scene where Rockwell throws that dude out of the window and 2) Woody Harrelson’s integral impact on the rest of that movie. I love Rockwell, but Woody was better in that movie.
Banshees of Inisherin. Objectively, probably better than In Bruges. I need to rewatch it many more times to get a better feel for it, but having seen it twice I think it’s a perfect movie. OUTSTANDING performances all around (Kerry Condon especially surprised me with how good she was), McDonaugh’s most consistent script, and his most subtle direction. Legitimately one of the best films I’ve seen in this decade so far.
If 3 Billboards didn’t get as much praise as it oddly did, I think he’d be properly rated.
Nothing oddly about it. 3 billboards is excellent.
@@efcdk92 How so?
I definitely agree with you on Moonrise Kingdom being his best film. I still haven’t watched The French Dispatch either
Try The French Dispatch out. I generally hate Anderson, but I must concede this one is truly amazing and made me chuckle heartily throughout.
@@zantigar yup I actually got more out of this than the Budapest Hotel. Loved the old school female nudity too.
@@madnero5508 Absof-ckinglutely!
What’s your opinion on Inherent Vice?
Yea. I’d love to hear her take on a film that was a slog when seeing the censored version on an airplane. After some thought on the symbolism, a larger screen it elevated substantially.
Also, would love another look at my personal favorite PTA film: The Master.
@@rhythmoriented The Master is his magnum opus imo
Very frustrating watch to put it quite lightly.
Here's a topic for you, what movies you went to see several times at the cinema and why?
I only really love the Wes Anderson films that he co-wrote with Owen Wilson. There's a REALLY specific chemistry that they seem to have together that I don't think Wes captures with other people
The Suspiria remake was alright. I had re-watched it last year for a second time and I realized I would rather go with the original.
Have you read Tarantino's Cinema Speculation?
I have great book highly recommend it
It's funny; they're doing a Zemeckis festival next month in my city.
Luca Gaudagnino's filmography has been a rollercoaster for me. I loved CMBYN, and I'm obsessed with his version of Suspiria. And to be honest my love for his movies doesn't come out of the depth of his stories or the complexity of his characters. His style is just evocative and I don't know how to put it any other way. He heavily relies on mood, tone and style and his themes are usually way too broad and vague to create almost a sense of mysticism and makes you wonder about what's not being shown on screen. It's surface level, but when the form is this vivid, it starts to evoke and makes reminisce about some memories and that's saying something in the process. However, his latest movie Bones & All is the point where I started to see the cracks in his style. Despite their flaws, I usually come out with something at the other side in his films. Bones & All just gave me nothing to chew on. It's Luca x100 amplified. For better and for worse. His style is better than ever, his characters are emptier than ever, the writing is shallower than ever, the themes are SO vague the movie ended up saying nothing. Made me start to re-evaluate my love for his films. I really hope he gets to make something in the future where his style complements better stories and characters because that will be a killer combination.
@@TackJorrance Mother Suspiriorum was a practical effect, and the worst I’ve ever seen. Ruined the film for me, and the audience I saw it with started laughing.
In my opinion Boogie Nights is a much stronger example of PTA's direction than the commentary indicates here. His direction was efficient which was all that was really needed for that cast, using his script.
I think what the last person said about Luca Gaudagnino is how I feel about a number of celebrated directors past and present. So much attention is given to the image and trying to extract emotion from imagery, but then the plot and character development goes to the wayside and makes me feel the movie is only at 50%.
No, that's not correct. Cinema is image and sound, but The Suspiria 2018 director fails at everything. He is truly an awful director.
@@sandorx4 I’d say those are the primary tools of film, but no great art is meant to only be pretty to look at, not only technical mastery. I didn’t mind Suspiria and his work in general, but definitely see times where he could have pressed in to add more depth. The visuals in Suspiria are fun, especially at the end, but totally get what people dislike about it.
completely agree
What you have been conditioned to crave isn't cinema...it's simply illustrated literature. Cinema isn't about informing, it's about conveying inexpressible feelings through the interaction of specific images and sounds. This goes beyond simply looking pretty. You mention other forms of art but let's take music for example, which cinema is closer to than theatre or literature. A song may contain some kind of story but it's completely secondary to the feelings of it. Not to mention, it's generally more powerful when the story is loosely defined so we can project our own thoughts, visions and ideas. Also, take some of the most famous paintings for example...The Death of Seneca by Jacques-Louis David possesses a story but it's not the essential part of the piece.
(I should add that Luca is far too directive and can become too concerned with the conveyance of information at times so I don't even think he's an example of someone who truly makes cinema.)
Jordan Peele without question is so overrated and I laugh at people that call him the Master of horror. I'm guessing that comes from mostly little Zoomer a@@@@@@s that never watched horror from the 70's or 80's.
Get Out is a Stepford Wives knock off and it's very average
Us was terrible
Nope is flat out boring
Agreed, not a fan of his films.
Peele is sort of average or above average, but has major pretentions: The way he injects symbolism all over the place just doesn't quite work in my view. That's cool, it's a metaphor but it just doesn't work that well on a surface level.
He's very zeitgeisty so he does quite well, and he's one of the few auteurs around. I think his main problem is that his movies just aren't half as funny as they should be. Having watched Nope in the theatre, I don't think the rest of the audience found him funny either.
yes,i agree.Also, i find his smugness and his pretentious behaviour very off putting.
I don't find him that overrated, and in his interviews you clearly see that he's insecure about his abilities. Get Out was very good, but Nope was just bad. He is just inconsistent.
Extremely overhyped for sure..... His films ain't as deep as what people make them out to be.
M Night Shyamalan Period
he's not overrated anymore, everyone knows he's bad now lol
Now? Everyone knew he was a hack after Lady in the Water. He made two decent films at the start of his career and has been downhill ever since. He even had the audacity to blame it on critics lol.
@@zxbc1 Shyamalan makes films for himself in his own logical way of understanding things.
I would agree if this was 2002, people were putting him on a pedestal too early on and his first few movies were really good but he fell off big time. I think he's a little underrated at this point. Jordan Peele is the answer.
Pls find time to see "The French Dispatch"
I find it funny. I love all PTA movies I've seen, except There Will Be Blood. I find DDL's performance amazing, but I just don't think the movie clicked for me. I got what it was trying, and I appreciate it, but I like movies like Boogie Nights, Magnolia, and Punch Drunk Love a lot more
There are two PTAs: the nostalgic fun loving poet from The Valley, and the bitter midwestern nihilist. I actually prefer the latter, which is why I prefer his films that show the bleakness and despair of humanity more than the flowery sunshiny stuff. But ultimately I think there's a bit of both in all his films, and that's why I love him.
@@zxbc1 yea i get that. i find his style works best with a bit of both. that’s why i like magnolia so much. boogie nights as well but to a lesser extent. i still have to watch the master and phantom thread but overall i enjoy his work
Bruh thank you for mentioning Suspiria 2018, the biggest horror in that was the boredom of it all
Exactly! And all these people are saying it's better than the original, a movie that's almost 50 years old!
@@timothytouhey8682 I saw them back to back and the original was definitely nicer!
Brian DePalma, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Tranintino, John Carpenter, Howard Hawkes...etc etc
You passing that joint or nah?
I feel that wes Anderson comment. I really loved his first few movies. I was a young adult and fan when those came out. His later films are such caricatures of themselves, like the comment said, that it really does start to take you out of the actual movie. The hyper stylized version of himself now makes his movies feel kind of immature and too goofy. The early stuff, while still very funny, was still grounded visually and had more of a realistic bite.
Luca Guadagnino films hit me HARD I find them really affecting so I disagree with you 100%. Film and art are very subjective though! I watch his films and I’m in tears and it’s an emotional rollercoaster. I love his Suspiria I do agree it’s trying to do too much and is unfocused but for me it HIT hard and had a tremendous impact. Still love your takes and hearing your opinions though! 😂
I disagree with what you said about grand Budapest. It hits me emotionally and balances the style. French dispatch and isle of dogs are very far removed for me. Although I love French dispatch still and you must see it!!!
I guess I’m the only person in the world that didn’t love or like, really, Bones and All; I loved Suspiria 2018 so much that I rewatched it about five times within the first two months of seeing it. Obviously not nearly as iconic as Argento’s, but I found it’s cold, icy, set up on par with an Ari Aster film- it had a slow progressing story and a moody ass atmosphere. Then there’s Bones and All.. I found a lot of the dialogue to be completely lazy, I felt as though Timothee was doing his absolute best considering he was a very flat (imho) character. A lot of the situations and environments we find the characters in, felt completely inserted in for a ‘cool shot.’ I wanted to like the story because it SHOULD be the perfect movie to me- it has everything I love, but I found the execution really awkward in a lot of parts. That’s j me tho
Zemekis also did castaway which was brilliant and PTA also did The Master. Can’t agree with either of those assessments
I always say PTA is my favourite director, so I’m not surprised he showed up here.
His 90s catalogue (Hard Eight, Boogie Nights, Magnolia) is fantastic but definitely gives the impression of a young hyperactive director, trying too hard to be the new Scorsese (not necessarily a bad thing).
But he matured into his style, and became so fluent in the language of filmmaking. He’d go on to be more restrained, and considered with his choices, and just became a brilliant story teller. Coaxing all the necessary emotion from the screen. PTA’s films aren’t just something I watch… I breathe them. Punch-Drunk Love, There Will Be Blood, The Master, and Phantom Thread are all masterpieces in my eyes.
I’ve grown to appreciate Inherent Vice for what it is, but absolutely understand why people don’t like it and have a hard time with it.
I’ve only seen Licorice Pizza once. I thought it was a beautiful film, but definitely felt unsure about the age gap in the relationship. I know it was based on a real person, but the film seemed to actively celebrate the romance, which was a strange choice.
But overall I think PTA is a genius, and I have no problem calling him my favourite director.
Nah, as far as Licorice Pizza goes, portrayal does not mean agreement or consent. Its like those movies that show people having a great time doing hard drugs, you know what I mean?
I see NOTHING about PTA’s work derivative of Scorsese. I am baffled by this. Boogie Nights feels in no way shape or form like a film influenced by Scorsese.
@@offspringfan1288 The parallels between Boogie Nights and Goodfellas have been pretty widely discussed. Look it up. The influences are definitely there. It’s still a great film so calm down 😂
I'm sorry pta is no where near over rated 😊
I feel that almost every single director, no matter how much I love them have 1 or 2 films that I don't care for.
John Boorman (with the exception of Deliverance). I admit that since I'm not British I might not have the cultural understanding to appreciate his work. Is he beloved in the UK as they say he is?
Hello! I’m British. I’d say he’s respected but considered to be quite dry and old-fashioned. A filmmaker for traditionalists and dads
Is he highly regarded? Point Blank is an all timer.
There are few directors working today that met the old auteur style of director. Most today are just craftsmen who do what the producers tell them. I still love Wes Anderson but I do think French Dispatch was all style, the characters just seem like props. I agree that the remake of Suspiria was not satisfying at all. Looked great, that one dancer being ripped apart from the inside was scary but the rest didn't move me and didn't make sense. By the final massacre I was zoned out. The film of PT Anderson I hated was The Master. Overlong and why do I care about some drunk guy who hangs with L. Ron Hubbard.
It's Tarantino.
how sway?
It's certainly not.
I’m taking a shot in the dark here but why do you not like Forest Gump?
Wes Anderson came to mind immediately. I personally love him, but he's the definition of "you either love him or hate him" to me. Without exaggeration, I don't know anyone in the middle.
Nicolas Winding Refn. I love Drive but after seeing Refn’s other films, Drive now feels more like a fluke.
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This movie "did it better" but isn't as popular as its counterpart.
Of course I can't think of an example off the top of my head. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves lol...
I'm conflicted about Wes, because of his, at this point, hacky use of his aesthetic. But it's an aesthetic that he created and developed, there's a genius to that, a true genius that's hard to dismiss, but at the same time, it's hacky. In terms of the style that's he's become known for, I think his best presentation of it was The Life Aquatic, because it had balance, it had elements of the traditional visual grammar, as well as his own. The Grand Budapest was when he went all in, and to me, it felt more like a "proof of concept" than a film, it was exhausting to me a as a viewer.
Punk Drunk Love made me laugh and cry. Watched it many times. Even years later I will randomly blurt out "Say that's that mattress man! That's That!" There Will Be Blood gave me one of the best naps I've ever had in the theatre.
Spielberg, since the 90s and that's being generous.
Catch me if you can, bridge of spies, munich were actually well made movies
hey, I think antidepressants and the like have muddled the narrative potency of movies
I'm just glad nobody said Haneke. He is honestly underrated imo.
possible the greatest filmmaker of this generation
One person did if you look through that entire comments section.
I'm not saying that he's a household name but doesn't he win at Cannes and other festivals constantly?
I adored The White Ribbon but felt Amour was massively overrated.
He’s one of the most respected living filmmakers, not even kind of underrated.
Baz Luhrmann. Romeo + Juliet was...ok, but it seems like he's just making the same Alty off-Broadway flick over and over and over again; he's Uwe Bol with some moar skills. WHY moost the shambling, mouldering remains of the moosical be resurrected and paraded before our weary eyes AGAIN, did we not learn from Paint Your Wagon and Xanadu???
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I watched Phantom Thread last night for the first time since it came out. Enjoyed it much more following a second viewing. The toast scene is one of the funniest things i've ever seen.
The Master is one of my all time favorites! You should DEFINITELY rewatch it
I hate your opinion on PTA but I hold your opinion in high regard, you make me doubt my favourite movies and be more critical of even myself, thank you!
Please watch The French Dispatch, its so beautiful.
Phantom Thread was excellent and I think it was a companion piece, thematically, to There will be Blood, almost a response to it... but I wouldn't say it was on the same level as TWBB. I haven't been through PTA's entire catalog, I"ve seen Licorice Pizza, Boogie Nights, Phantom Thread, and There will be Blood. There will be blood is a masterpiece and I don't think any of his other films really come close to it, and it's great in part because of the score by Jonny Greenwood, and Day-Lewis's performance.
PTA is a good director for these discussions, he's obviously a generational talent and a master technical filmmaker, obviously, but I think in terms of story, endings, theme and decision making, there's a lot to be debated. I noticed it right off the bat. When Boogie Nights first came out I was finishing college, and I'm a Gen Xer, so the period and subject matter of the film was very well known to me. On the positive side, we were wowed and entertained by the pace, humor and skill. It was a blast and clearly a new great film maker had arrived. But on the negative, even on that first breathless viewing, the third act felt sentimental and unsatisfying. Again, we all knew the life and story of John Holmes as Gen Xers and the film sticks close to real events at times, the drug deal gone wrong at the house. But in real life, his unlikely and crazy rise came to an end with that house, which was a real murder, a drug problem that was more than a third act hiccup, and of course AIDS. Dropping the majority of that in flavor of a quick found-family wrap up felt so weak and dishonest to me. I watch all his films, and I think Blood is the best ... but again, that's based on the book, and the historical period of Sinclair's Oil! and his story decision making takes something that was fundamentally about the system and made something about the individual.
I'm not sure how accurately the movie was really trying to portray the John Holmes thing but the main reason I disagree is because the ending to me is not sentimental but instead bittersweet with the disguise as sentimentality. It's saying that Dirk has no other choice and no other skills for life other than porn and that's where he belongs no matter if the industry changes. It's interesting to me because it makes me wonder if he'll be forced out anyway because of irrelevancy or if the cycle of ego will continue again who knows. It's like everyone else has moved on and found their own happy endings but he's happy right where he's always been I suppose.
@@rohanbeer1654 It only becomes truly apparent when you reach the drug dealer house scene, when the film is directly portraying a real life notorious event in his life, and in the history of teh end of that era of teh industry. But that's what it is.
I take it you misread the ending, the whole point of the ending is that none of these people will change or can’t grow, they all stay the same, every single character in boogie nights is static, this just feels like such hollow complaints because the third act is loosely based on a real event, which is a stupid complaint anyways and doesn’t address the film but rather a thing that doesn’t matter at all to the discussion
@@tbrown5836 Not misread, I fully understand the ending and what the film maker is going for. What I said is, that looking at the choices that were available, that PTA created a weak ending. I like the film and have watched it a few times, and I always find the third act unsatisfying, given the context and material. My original comment takes care to explain that, and you r reply comes off as salty because someone doesn't agree on a movie you like.
I felt like Grand Budapest Hotel was Wes Anderson's downfall and he hasn't made a movie I've enoyed since.
Only made two since to be fair.
That was his best movie
On Wes Anderson - Agreed, Rushmore n Bootlerock his best... but I also love his Fantastic Mr Fox. Animation seems to fit his style of storytelling better than most of his later live action films.
Tarantino. He is an amazing storyteller but his stories feel like mostly empty calories.
Absolutely with a comment below, here, Phantom Thread is right next to There Will Be Blood. Masterpiece of note.
Tarantino always tops my list. He's a good stylist (his only strength) who just stitches together elements from old B movies. For the life of me, I don't understand the appeal of his dialogue either. He's a Grind house director who's lauded as though he's been creating masterpieces. It doesn't help that he leans into the idea himself. His films never make me feel or think. I can barely remember them even shortly after watching.
Robert Zemeckis' "Used Cars" (1980) is brilliant.