The Problem With Africa's Borders

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  • čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
  • Much of Africa's modern history has been defined by conflict. How much of this is because of the arbitrary borders left over by European colonialism? Why are these borders so bad to begin with? Are there any better borders that could be adopted? Today I hope to answer these questions and more!
    *Madagascar has an entirely separate geography, history, and overall identity from mainland Africa. It's for this reason that I left it out of the discussion.
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Komentáře • 8K

  • @jamessorason2430
    @jamessorason2430 Před 4 lety +7419

    Europe: So anyway I started drawin'

  • @domino_201
    @domino_201 Před 4 lety +2406

    Holy hell he has an intro now!

    • @joseaguirre744
      @joseaguirre744 Před 4 lety +30

      what a badass

    • @reidmaxwell8874
      @reidmaxwell8874 Před 4 lety +43

      As soon as it played I scrolled down to see who was talking about it lol

    • @ZaggyGaming
      @ZaggyGaming Před 4 lety +5

      @@reidmaxwell8874 same me too haha

    • @Grapevin
      @Grapevin Před 4 lety +3

      I feel like it should be shorter tbqh

    • @subjekt5577
      @subjekt5577 Před 4 lety +2

      Feel like it should come earlier in the video

  • @alphalijahsworld9010
    @alphalijahsworld9010 Před 3 lety +1733

    I love how he emphasized on Nigeria. today in nigeria there is a distinct division of the country into three sub nations: Odudwa land (yoruba), Arewa (hausa) and Biafra (igbo). The colonizers really caused a problem because all they saw were black people rather than their different tribes and languages.

    • @daveo2431
      @daveo2431 Před 3 lety +150

      Yeah, I was looking for a comment that would talk about Nigeria, because it's like the biggest example. I'm hearing a lot of developments about this issue and the debates: each major group splitting vs. staying and restructuring Nigeria. I'm not sure about either argument, but in this crazy time, it has to be addressed.
      - However I think what you say about the colonizers is actually the opposite. Yes, we are all black, but the British who went to Nigeria knew that we have many obvious differences, especially in North, Southwest, and Southeast: Religion, culture, language, language group, etc. Lord Lugard reported on these differences among us. We were already divided, and The British knew exactly what they were doing when they amalgamated us into one Nigeria. They make profit from it, despite the tribalism and ethnic marginalization it's caused. So they and we are not ignorant of all this. I don't think we have truly been one as a nation but whether we will ultimately continue or all secede remains to be seen.

    • @alphalijahsworld9010
      @alphalijahsworld9010 Před 3 lety +20

      @@daveo2431 so what do u think is the best solution. The peaceful separation to solve problems, remarginalization or the overlooking of tribal differences.

    • @daveo2431
      @daveo2431 Před 3 lety +29

      @@alphalijahsworld9010 I'm not sure. I think if Nigeria can have a successful revolution and better management, along with an end to the terrorism and territorial takeovers then we won't really need separation. Even in hard times it wouldn't be strongly suggested. But the situation as I'm hearing is so dire and crazy, so people are pushing for separation. I think because of the situation separation is better, but I dunno how it would be maintained. So I think until there's another threat of war as one nation, then we should all split and find other ways to separately interact.

    • @nigerdeltamirrortv9311
      @nigerdeltamirrortv9311 Před 3 lety +37

      @@daveo2431 At this stage total separation is not practicable bcos Nigerians have become too intertwined with one another esp thru intertribal marriages and others.
      What we need now is a confederal system like it was practiced in our elders days after independence in 1960 where each region was nearly autonomous and only paid tax to the Federal Govt.
      Back then we had 3 regions- Western, Northern and Eastern and practised parliamentary system... Older people said that system worked but the military came and ruined it with a unitary system where Federal Govt is in charge of everything...
      today we can make it 6 to fit the geopolitical zones in existence.
      Many people including some politicians are advocating for that system and I believe in future Nigeria may likely adopt it since a lot of people are in support

    • @johan8969
      @johan8969 Před 3 lety +36

      The europeans were aware of the different tribes. For better or worse, the colonial administration, the missionary effort and anthropology studies conducted by universities were involved in the local populations. It just didnt factor into the border mapping at all since it was imperial in nature and the only consideration was how to divide resources between other european nations.

  • @rusangiza
    @rusangiza Před 3 lety +825

    As an African, I have not seen a more accurate summary of our predicament.
    I should add the peculiar case of my country, Rwanda, which is one of the most homogeneous in the world: same language, culture and centuries of harmonious cohabitation. Also we're like 90% Christian.
    Luckily the colonialists didn't cram us into our larger neighbours.
    However, because the kingdom of Rwanda was much bigger than the current country and stretched to parts of present-day Uganda and DRC, a huge Rwandan ethnic minority was formed in those countries, which inevitably led to conflicts that still rage on today.
    Not to mention the ethno-linguistic uniformity did nothing to stop us from killing each other over ethnic subdivisions, so called Hutus, Tutsis and Twa.
    Oh well.

    • @cryo4042
      @cryo4042 Před 3 lety +37

      your country is well respected compared to your neighbors, congrats

    • @lolo-hp3bt
      @lolo-hp3bt Před 3 lety +22

      rodan293 it’s neighbours are respected to , Kenya and Tanzania

    • @Shukamimana
      @Shukamimana Před 3 lety +53

      Please don’t ever forget that those same “ethnic” groups were a colonial construct. Those same groups were social classes prior to the experimentation of the Belgians...

    • @1wun1
      @1wun1 Před 3 lety +9

      @@Shukamimana they're not colonial constructs, but colonialism profited from them

    • @Shukamimana
      @Shukamimana Před 3 lety +20

      slow down That’s incorrect but people will believe what they want, but only the truth shall set us free. We Rwandans shared, and continue to do so, a common national culture, language and tradition which are the basis of an ethnic group. We are one.

  • @DesmondKarani
    @DesmondKarani Před 4 lety +2144

    I am from Kenya and, in my opinion, issues in Africa are due to a multitude of factors rather than ethnic divide within countries. Just like several other regions, tribal and ethnic conflicts are not unique to Africa. For instance, look at India, China, and even Belgium (the Flanders vs the Wallonia), these regions also suffer similar incompatibilities. Nonetheless, one thing that stands out from the rest is corruption, mainly due to poor policies.

    • @lif3andthings763
      @lif3andthings763 Před 4 lety +186

      Karani Desmond Europeans failed to create solid education and infrastructure for the colonies because how would they make profit you essentially started from near scratch 60 years ago. That is why the leaders are corrupt. Also resources, coups and the Cold War.

    • @pavelsanda3149
      @pavelsanda3149 Před 4 lety +43

      And what about East African Union? It sounds like a good way forward. What do you think about it?

    • @thealchemist6355
      @thealchemist6355 Před 4 lety +45

      Nigeria has over 300 ethnic groups. Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa are the largest. These ethnic groups have almost nothing in common. Yorubas are a 50/50 between Islam and Christianity.

    • @thealchemist6355
      @thealchemist6355 Před 4 lety +50

      @Ancient Rageedi Are we still going to blame others for our shortcomings?. We know the corruption and abuse of power from top to bottom is a huge issue.Africa has 53 countries, if we split down by ethnic groups, then you may have maybe 100-150 countries in Africa.

    • @DontreadPimpBoy
      @DontreadPimpBoy Před 4 lety +2

      @Bazagi Derp *cough cough*

  • @HCG95
    @HCG95 Před 4 lety +3895

    “Imagine cutting Spain in half”
    Catalonia: Hold my sangria

    • @xxxBradTxxx
      @xxxBradTxxx Před 4 lety +75

      TBF, they do speak a different language

    • @xxxBradTxxx
      @xxxBradTxxx Před 4 lety +70

      @Juan José Oñate Don't they speak catalan?

    • @ArturoSubutex
      @ArturoSubutex Před 4 lety +92

      @Juan José Oñate They were originally forced to speak Castillan by the same fascist power who had just mass murdered, raped and spoiled them.

    • @ArturoSubutex
      @ArturoSubutex Před 4 lety +41

      @Juan José Oñate No. Most Catalans were women, children and elderly who just got raped, spoiled and slaughtered when Catalonia fell.
      And anyway, Castillan was first imposed by a fascist dictatorship.

    • @richardaguilar7692
      @richardaguilar7692 Před 4 lety +29

      @Juan José Oñate Lol typical Castilian. If you honestly looked at what Catalonia went though as the centuries passed, especially under Franco, you wouldn't have denied that.

  • @CSGhostAnimation
    @CSGhostAnimation Před 3 lety +986

    Oh wow this is really good. Usually geography is just an analysis of what's going on in the world, but seeing someone make recommendations and weighing the pros and cons of the recommendations goes beyond what I know as conventional geography.

    • @fluffysheep2919
      @fluffysheep2919 Před 3 lety +14

      well this is really geopolitics,geography is more physical based.

    • @prw56
      @prw56 Před 3 lety +17

      I think the reason its good is because it was almost all analysis. It feels like when most people bring up the topic of african borders they complain about colonialism and conclude that the obvious solution is to let africa redraw the borders, without actually looking into what that route means.

  • @parijat1126
    @parijat1126 Před 3 lety +457

    Africans: we want of own nations.
    European: give me a ruler and a pencil.

  • @lyamainu
    @lyamainu Před 3 lety +4119

    I learned more about Africa in the last fifteen minutes than I did in all of my schooling.

    • @jimnaz5267
      @jimnaz5267 Před 3 lety +61

      the facts and figures were of great interest, but the theory of what held africa back is bs. this only deals with post colonial africa. much of sub sharan africa was in the stone age when the europeans came in and made things worse. the bigger question is why did the millions of african tribes or groups evolve modern systems like europe, asia, north africa, and middle east?

    • @KethenGoesHam
      @KethenGoesHam Před 3 lety +18

      @@jimnaz5267 elaborate

    • @YoYo-it7ti
      @YoYo-it7ti Před 3 lety +291

      @@jimnaz5267 Actually what you said is complete bullshit. Africa has had massive great powerful civillisations which had rich culture and history and great wealth and were definitely not in the 'stone age' as you say.
      Here are some examples (this is not an exhaustive list):
      • Kingdom Of Kush - The Nubians - Modern day Sudan and South Egypt. Known for mastered weapons and bows (Ta-Seti) . They also built pyramids like the Egyptians and had great culture, language and history. They faught off multiple invasions and once ruled over Egypt for a century. They maintained a complex economy based on trade and industry.
      •Ancient Egypt - Rich history and culture and wealth. everyone knows about this so no need to go into it further.
      •The Kingdom Of Aksum - Ethiopia - Rich culture, history, art, literature and trade and power. Aksum became a major player on the commercial route between the Roman Empire and Ancient India. The Aksumite rulers facilitated trade by minting their own Aksumite currency, with the state establishing its hegemony over the declining Kingdom of Kush.
      • The Mali Empire - which was ruled by Mansa Musa who is arguably the richest person who ever lived due to the mass amounts of gold he possessed and generously gave to the poor. Abubakari II, Mansa (King) of the Mali Empire in the 14th century, led Malian sailors to the Americas, specifically present-day Brazil, almost 200 years before Columbus arrived.
      All this was pre-colonial
      ✊🏾✊🏿

    • @bandrea432
      @bandrea432 Před 3 lety +32

      @@YoYo-it7ti Having a lot of tradions and gold dosent make thoose countries more developed, and also all the thing you listed were centiuries before the scramble for africa , and during the scramble european power were centiuries ahead in industrial production medicine war docrines and teconologies.

    • @9051team
      @9051team Před 3 lety +12

      @@bandrea432 ahem zulus.

  • @amazingtunisia6375
    @amazingtunisia6375 Před 4 lety +1886

    "The continent still has its brightest years ahead of it"
    I like the sound of this.

    • @ranmaboii
      @ranmaboii Před 4 lety +6

      Amazing Tunisia روائع تونس HHHHHHHHHHH capitalism baded countries will never let that happen

    • @walterwalter8607
      @walterwalter8607 Před 4 lety +108

      @@ranmaboii Nah, Nigeria will be a powerhouse, Ghana will rise and Rwanda thanks to its president is going to be like Singapore. North African countries are already developed

    • @austinmiller4828
      @austinmiller4828 Před 4 lety +38

      WALTER WALTER South Africa is developed also

    • @praxis6172
      @praxis6172 Před 3 lety +42

      China has entered chat.

    • @ezra5788
      @ezra5788 Před 3 lety +26

      @Indian Stars US GDP is also greater than that of all of Europe combined LOL. California alone has a bigger GDP than the UK so it's not just Africa.

  • @usejasiri
    @usejasiri Před 3 lety +115

    As an African I think If Africa could be redesigned with borders, possibly redesigning in terms of language groups would make sense. Despite the fact that there are numerous tribes, all tribes can be distinctly grouped into either the Bantu, Cushites, Nilotes, Semites, and Khoisan. Each of the language groups has tribes that share the same culture with slight variations and their dialects are very similar, plus each of the language groups identifies itself with a common origin e.g The Bantu say they came from the Congo Basin, the Nilotes say they came from Misri in Egypt. The language groups share a lot in common among them and would be a solid foundation to build African unity

    • @bdd2752
      @bdd2752 Před 3 lety +1

      Tbh we need to create a language that will be forced upon the African children..the way china forces Mandarin on foreign students

    • @okpaekhama9543
      @okpaekhama9543 Před 3 lety +7

      The issue is that no one is willing to give up land just like that

    • @leafeatingcow1109
      @leafeatingcow1109 Před 3 lety +1

      Theres pros and also cons with that plan

    • @bungeespeaks6081
      @bungeespeaks6081 Před 3 lety

      @@leafeatingcow1109 more cons tbh

    • @richern2717
      @richern2717 Před 3 lety +12

      I know people speaking Bantu Languages who can not understand even one word the other has spoken. Swazi for eg. can not understand people from Malawi etc. Take for instance greetings. Tswana = Dumela, Zulu = Saubona, Shangaan = Ousheni. Do you see the similarities ? All of them Bantu Languages and geographically not living far apart from each other in Southern Africa.

  • @noajpetrowski-anchick9395
    @noajpetrowski-anchick9395 Před 3 lety +40

    8:42, damn, he droppin' them beats.

  • @Bruh-jr2ep
    @Bruh-jr2ep Před 4 lety +2730

    Madagaskar during the whole video:
    "Am I joke to you?"

    • @famousplan2693
      @famousplan2693 Před 4 lety +132

      For Mikko here yes since he doesn't know the correct spelling of Madagascar.
      Edit: I wa wrong.

    • @jurgenrahf6938
      @jurgenrahf6938 Před 4 lety +100

      wherever Mikko comes from... obviously finnish name...seems you don´t have anything else to do, than to critize spelling. Poor you. Beside in their native language - malagasy - it is written with K.

    • @khalilhamza3640
      @khalilhamza3640 Před 4 lety +26

      It's the biggest island there.
      So no problem whatsoever concerning land borders...

    • @JonasKiselis
      @JonasKiselis Před 4 lety +42

      As Madagascar is ethnically homogenuous country, there were no major conflicts inside it. So, possibly if Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo peoples had their independent countries in current territory of Nigeria might have been much more peaceful and prosperous compared to situation now.

    • @chrisoghenetegamaloney5799
      @chrisoghenetegamaloney5799 Před 4 lety +7

      Khalil Hamza is Mauritius having land border issues?

  • @dnastev
    @dnastev Před 4 lety +310

    I feel like one could also point out that in a lot of African nations, European languages of their former colonizers, like English, French and Portuguese are being used as lingua francas and thus the “language problem” is kinda circumvent. Great video! Really like how many different examples you always show.

    • @Skeloperch
      @Skeloperch Před 4 lety +21

      And they'd do well to continue educating Africans in these languages. Being able to communicate adequately will lead to a more stable country and continent.

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 Před 4 lety +50

      That doesn't fully circumvents the problem. You still got a clear separation between one group and another, they're just able to understand what the other group shouts at them.
      The point with different languages is not a barrier of understanding - everyone could learn a foreign language if he or she wants to. The point is the difference in origin and history, which builds up people's identity.

    • @tamaralaird3389
      @tamaralaird3389 Před 4 lety +13

      @Xxx Xxx four???? Africans speak at least six. I myself speak 5. French, Italia, English, Creole, Portuguese

    • @jameschristophercirujano6650
      @jameschristophercirujano6650 Před 4 lety +2

      @@lonestarr1490 Or have the same enemy for the a very long time facilitating understanding and eventually desensitized to their differences if they don't have greedy leaders.

    • @jameschristophercirujano6650
      @jameschristophercirujano6650 Před 4 lety +4

      @@tamaralaird3389 What kind of creole? Your native language with a mixture of Indo-European?

  • @abdulaleem9207
    @abdulaleem9207 Před 3 lety +378

    The worst thing about social sciences in school is that they don't teach anything about Africa.

    • @laurendilaurentis6467
      @laurendilaurentis6467 Před 3 lety +52

      exactly. you don't hear anything about the natural resources, ethnic groups, history, languages, vast landscapes, etc.

    • @abdulaleem9207
      @abdulaleem9207 Před 3 lety +30

      @@laurendilaurentis6467 seriously. in my case, not even the basics.

    • @abdulaleem9207
      @abdulaleem9207 Před 3 lety +15

      @Michael Ardenté I mean that the perspective of World History is too Europe-centric.

    • @abdulaleem9207
      @abdulaleem9207 Před 3 lety +8

      @Michael Ardenté no. i live in india.
      i studied history for five years in school. three years indian history, two years world history. barely anything about africa.

    • @abdulaleem9207
      @abdulaleem9207 Před 3 lety +2

      @Michael Ardenté we learnt social studies from grade 6 to 10.

  • @sankalp4673
    @sankalp4673 Před 3 lety +208

    The thing is ethnic-states don't always bring peace, since ethnic minorities are often expelled to establish ethnic states. Another point I would like to make is that modern nation states are a relatively new phenomenon in Europe as well. Before the French Revolution, less than 10% of the population spoke "proper French". Many spoke regional Romance dialects with similarities to French, often unintelligible with each other. Same with the Italian unification. Only 2.5 % spoke Italian back then. They spoke regional Romance dialects/languages. These languages were in dialect continuum with each other. For example, a Lombard speaker shared more similarities with an Occitan speaker and even with a French speaker from across the border than with a dialect speaker in other ends of the country. Unfortunately, regional dialects have now gone out of use. Also, ethnicities in Europe are a result of continuous assimilation. Netherlands speaks Dutch, a Germanic language, but most of their ancestry doesn't come from Germanic tribes.

    • @janmelantu7490
      @janmelantu7490 Před 3 lety +25

      Poland got lots of German land after World War 2, and lost lots of Polish land to the USSR. So lots of Poles were forcibly expelled from their ancestral lands now in the USSR to the new Poland, and lots of Germans were forcibly expelled from their ancestral lands now in Poland to the new Germany

    • @user-dg5vx8li8f
      @user-dg5vx8li8f Před 3 lety +13

      By the way, the French are also a Germanic people, but they speak a Latin Romance language

    • @kingadams8411
      @kingadams8411 Před 3 lety +10

      Some countries with different ethnic groups get along just fine but most... Example is Nigeria where the north and southern part where merged by the British. Different linguistic, religion, and ancestral heritage. Catastrophe. A ticking time bomb

    • @chuckghaly
      @chuckghaly Před 2 lety +6

      @@user-dg5vx8li8f The Gauls were Celts

    • @boyobob7793
      @boyobob7793 Před 2 lety +5

      @@chuckghaly The celts were conquered by a Germanic tribe, the franks, which largely replaced or assimilated the gauls

  • @libertyadams5961
    @libertyadams5961 Před 4 lety +1601

    Bob the builder: CAN WE FIX THIS!?
    *sees Africas borders*
    Bob: 😬

  • @danielchukwu4212
    @danielchukwu4212 Před 4 lety +1072

    This’s something I have advocated for during my student activism days. African independence fighters made a very grave mistake in that while seeking independence they were only interested in getting the Europeans out and inheriting the chaotic Empires they created. It didn’t occur to these freedom fighters to address the ills of colonialism by holding a confab with all the various ethnicities to correct the artificial borders that the Europeans had imposed on the peoples without their consent. Even to this day the African elites have not acquired enough sense to realize that the continent can’t move forward politically and economically without first addressing the question of borders.

    • @LevineLawrence
      @LevineLawrence Před 4 lety +63

      Very thoughtful comment Daniel! You can still work towards building an economic union among African states

    • @greenhornet8262
      @greenhornet8262 Před 4 lety +33

      daniel chukwu I’m not saying all their problems are solved but money African nations are growing really fast. They aren’t exactly not moving foward

    • @greenhornet8262
      @greenhornet8262 Před 4 lety +39

      Gibson Ampaw Madagascar was Colonized by the French, exploiting its people and resources.

    • @sd_k777
      @sd_k777 Před 4 lety +1

      @daniel chukwu what are your opinions on the AU

    • @greenhornet8262
      @greenhornet8262 Před 4 lety +42

      Gibson Ampaw so it’s Marxist to know the history of a country now. Got it. People like you only want to know what currently going on like the past didn’t influence the state of a lot these countries.

  • @misterlime2.030
    @misterlime2.030 Před 3 lety +38

    That line you drew at the cape of southern Africa (afrikaans speakers) looks remarkably like the line drawn by the cape exit (secession movement) remarkably accurate.

    • @henrykeyter53
      @henrykeyter53 Před 3 lety +4

      Is nogal né? Maar kwit ons het darem ook groot dele van die Noorde gekoop ook..

  • @williamrasengan
    @williamrasengan Před 3 lety +425

    Make no mistake, they knew what they were doing, and that they could profit from those conflicts for many generations.

    • @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714
      @baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Před 3 lety +51

      It has very little to do with proffit and everything to do with risk of revolt. A multicultural multinational socity can not organize a rebelion. Its the same reason they are now filling Europe full of every nation, to reduce risk of revolt.

    • @anonymoust2877
      @anonymoust2877 Před 3 lety +7

      @@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 in nigeria the cultures get on very well. Africa is an insanely diverse and multicultural place

    • @anonymoust2877
      @anonymoust2877 Před 3 lety +7

      Africa is very diverse. Even in nigeria there are 250 ethnicity with only 3 being the significant ones. And they get on fine. "Filling europe with every nation"

    • @NewBaldwin
      @NewBaldwin Před 3 lety

      Give this man a shield.

    • @daveo2431
      @daveo2431 Před 3 lety +7

      @@anonymoust2877 Except for with the sponsored extremist Fulani groups that are encroaching on Southern territory. Nigeria is a huge example of a place that needs rebellion and a total start over.

  • @eliandro9483
    @eliandro9483 Před 4 lety +517

    I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! THE SUBJECTS ARE ALWAYS INTERESTING ✌🏽

  • @snickdave9030
    @snickdave9030 Před 4 lety +430

    You forgot one major point for drawing borders: Geography, Nations having enough resources, rivers, deserts, forests and mountains are also an important part of drawing borders

    • @nosamsemaj9150
      @nosamsemaj9150 Před 4 lety +39

      Snick Dave if you look at borders in Europe you’ll see they’ll all formed from Geography, mainly rivers, seas and mountains.

    • @Ari-fs6oe
      @Ari-fs6oe Před 4 lety +9

      He also already did a video on that.

    • @elbobberts
      @elbobberts Před 4 lety +2

      I feel like he is drawing borders to stop conflict, not start them for other reason

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 Před 4 lety +9

      I guess that's implied in the _resources_ part of the video. I still liked your comment, clarifications are always handy.

    • @the4seasons4ever
      @the4seasons4ever Před 4 lety +1

      One of the most important factors and they leave it out completely.

  • @JeremiahKlarman
    @JeremiahKlarman Před 3 lety +156

    “They never got Ethiopia.”

    • @ragefury1817
      @ragefury1817 Před 3 lety +18

      @@triatic9476 aaaand they retreated. Good talk

    • @yafetdaniel2965
      @yafetdaniel2965 Před 3 lety +11

      @@triatic9476 Ethiopia never got colonized.

    • @hanadahmed8389
      @hanadahmed8389 Před 3 lety +14

      The eastern half of Ethiopia(as its recognised today) the Ogaden region was given to the Ethiopian empire illegally by the British in the 40s after many years of it being colonised
      It’s ethnic Somalis lands
      This cause the 1977 wars between Somalia and Ethiopia

    • @esplayn
      @esplayn Před 3 lety +11

      Ethiopia was working with the British colonisers against their fellow Africans. For instance, they helped the English to defeat the Somali resistance.

    • @Hello-uk5xp
      @Hello-uk5xp Před 3 lety +6

      @@esplayn and now god punished them by not giving them a sea

  • @alexneumann3
    @alexneumann3 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video. Thank you for the time it took to perform all the research and put the information together in a clear and understandable way.

  • @Aaaamed
    @Aaaamed Před 4 lety +332

    The effort put into research and editing of this video is just unbelievable, keep up the good work!!

  • @InvertedGigachad
    @InvertedGigachad Před 4 lety +1328

    Africa: *exists*
    Europe: Yo guys you like geometry?

    • @SteveB-nx2uo
      @SteveB-nx2uo Před 4 lety +18

      they had resources, and they weren't using them.

    • @CedricThePlaystation
      @CedricThePlaystation Před 4 lety +19

      Joshua Gordon that’s just how the world works

    • @bluebird5173
      @bluebird5173 Před 4 lety +139

      @@SteveB-nx2uo _"They had resources, and they weren't using them"_
      Imagine a scenario where aliens invaded our planet, dug deep into the earth's core to obtain a resource we have no use for (let's call it Earthium), and raped and enslaved humans to maximize their benefits.
      Us: "Hey bro, please get off our planet."
      Aliens: "Why? Earthium is just sitting there and you guys aren't using it lol."
      Us: "Still, it's our planet. We've been here since forever. Please leave."
      Aliens: I'm sorry. Last I checked, nobody owns the Earth's core.
      Us: "Fine. Take it. But please, just stop raping, killing, and enslaving us."
      Aliens: Hey, don't judge! If we hadn't come to Earth, you guys would just continue to rape, kill, and enslave yourselves like you humans have always done. Don't complain now that WE'RE the ones raping, killing, and enslaving you. Besides, we promise that your descendants hundreds of years from now will eventually live a better life than you. But first, we have to kill and exploit the human race in order to build a better future for your great great great grandchildren whom you'll never meet!
      This is literally every conversation between a rational person and a white colonial apologist.

    • @infozone9601
      @infozone9601 Před 4 lety +11

      @@CedricThePlaystation You know what they Say, what goes around comes around

    • @infozone9601
      @infozone9601 Před 4 lety +14

      @@bluebird5173 I assure You, any life form intelligent enough to travel the vast distances of space wouldn't share the cave ape demented mindset.

  • @thespeedyeagle
    @thespeedyeagle Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome unbiased info-packed channel, I always learn something new here. Keep up the good work!

  • @TheMrRewo
    @TheMrRewo Před 3 lety +1

    I really appreciate putting the ad break exactly between the vid and the credits.

  • @dwayneearles6627
    @dwayneearles6627 Před 4 lety +376

    I have relatives in Mozambique and recommended that they watch this video. They were very impressed with your research into the complicated politics of Sub Saharan Africa. Some things you discussed were way oversimplified, but understandable because it is a 15 minute CZcams video. According to them, you basically nailed it. Good work.

    • @khmur3006
      @khmur3006 Před 4 lety +25

      This guy is a typical anti African superiority complex propagandist who wants you to think Africa is nothing but slums mudhuts, war and poverty, like typical western media he uses slum footage to represent Africa rather than a typical street in say Nairobi or any other African city because that looks like any city in a developed country since Africa's cities are at a developed standard some countries are middle income and not considered poor, he only shows south Africa because he's effectively beating his white chest saying what any typical neo nazi says, that the only civilized part is the white populated part, he wants you to think Africa is like Iraq or Syria constantly at war and that its history is nothing but tribes and not kingdoms when in reality, there have been few wars in Africa compared to Europe, and there are no real wars going on today, and Africans are culturally united by INTENT to unify and making solid moves to get it done, Africa has gotten read of the french colonial tax which allowed the French to take 500 billion dollars a year from Africa, and have replaced it with the Ecowas a single native currency for the whole of west Africa, and the new Africa free trade area has been established to get rid of the European division policies like not being allowed to trade with other African countries and needing a visa to travel from one to the other, but a guy like this will never tell the truth about Africa, I am not racist, but I am seriously convinced that virtually no white man is qualified to talk about Africa to a large audience without immense deprogramming and going against the mainstream, because they are all raised by their society to embrace a post colonial racist dehumanization propaganda narrative about Africa and they embrace it willingly because it stimulates ego tremendously like a dopamine drug.

    • @ollie3x10_8
      @ollie3x10_8 Před 4 lety +45

      @@khmur3006 did you hear the last 3 mins of the video?

    • @saffron3113
      @saffron3113 Před 4 lety +23

      @@khmur3006 Its still accurate, only a third of africa is in any way urbanized, the majority of Sub Saharan Africa is rural and those areas tend to look like shit. Maybe your the biased one.

    • @khmur3006
      @khmur3006 Před 4 lety +23

      @@saffron3113 Actually above 40% of Africa is urbanized, so almost half, "those areas tend to look like shit" And just how do you know??? Have you been there? No you haven't, typical lazy whitecentric westerner making up whatever he thinks in his head about Africa based on vague propaganda images, no actual research or traveling but claims with that moronic logic that he's the smartest in the room, you've sat on your ass and lazily regurgitated mainstream propaganda without an ounce of questioning, I've been to 4 African countries and gone to the rural areas, most of them are more and peaceful than the city, they are clean in touch with nature and great for the soul, checkout Rural villages in the hills of Rwanda the people live off grid and in touch with nature right by the lakes no bills, no stress, no poverty, everyone knows how to build a house and grow crops, just like ancient times.
      The places that look like shit are slum areas that are dependent on the grid, and not nature which is why they have little to noting and are total wage slaves dependent on money but born in completely government neglected areas because of IMF Structural adjustment policies, only a minority of Africans live in places like this, hardly any compared to the rural and city people, slums are a far bigger problem in asia and mexico than in Africa.

    • @shaydan5380
      @shaydan5380 Před 4 lety +18

      @@saffron3113 Even if that was the case (which it isn't) there is no reason to NOT show both sides of Africa, most people in Europe are poor, but we aren't representing Europe by homeless people, that is the equivalent of what the racist western media and all the people brainwashed by it do about Africa, the white media and white geopolitics youtubers intentionally want you to think all of Africa is a slum and never had a civilization, why did he only show the rich part of South Africa? Nigeria has a higher GDP and Tanzania and Rwanda are all around better more stable cleaner countries than SA, because he promotes a white egocentric narrative but uses that fake professional fake intellectual voice to give his racism clear passage right into your minds, they make me sick how badly they want to live in a fantasy land about black people, always lying to themselves and fantasizing and making claims based on their fantasies because they're ego addicts and have a sick predatory lust against black people for no reason which is why whites destroy sabotage every successful rich black community and strong leader, black wallstreet, Roswood and greenwood to name a few all bombed down by whites then after that they say blacks cannot produce a successful community, but when they do, lets bomb it down and kill everyone and make it illegal for them to learn to read and write, over 60 assassinations of good presidents in Africa, most of them done by France as they take 500 billion dollars from the continent a year through colonial tax yet with the IMF preventing African industrialization with SAPs and sanctions and credit freezes and trade cut offs, African countries still manage to produce developed standard cities and towns, yet after trying an anchor to African people its still not enough to make them look subhuman so whites have to lie and make africa seem 1000x less advanced than it actually is wile held back thousands of times from its real potential, its sick how whites are egoist vampires toward blacks, sociopathic endlessly hostile mindset.

  • @crowrb
    @crowrb Před 4 lety +545

    I mean, until about 1945 getting in big ass fights with each other was a pretty common occurrence all across the European continent too...

    • @waynewayne8419
      @waynewayne8419 Před 3 lety +60

      Still didn’t stop in Eastern Europe lol.

    • @this-is-not-just-a-pr-fail3263
      @this-is-not-just-a-pr-fail3263 Před 3 lety +20

      Eat Europe and many parts of Asia is still unresolved

    • @osedebame3522
      @osedebame3522 Před 3 lety +51

      Yeah, the goal isn't to stop all fighting but to reduce it as much as possible. Conflict is inevitable though, and just as the nation's of Europe warred for centuries after they first started forming, Africa is probably gonna see an awful lot of awful trouble spots for a while, but it is getting on its feet, and way faster than many expected.

    • @truvonne
      @truvonne Před 3 lety +2

      @@osedebame3522лол

    • @violasses
      @violasses Před 3 lety +6

      well, people will be people.

  • @leam89
    @leam89 Před 3 lety +6

    Very interesting and informative video. I'd love to visit Africa one day but it's so diverse and there is so much to see! My wife is from Nigeria.

  • @norbac
    @norbac Před 3 lety

    Wow! Excellent video! Very informative. Thank you for creating it and for posting. Congratulations!

  • @pikaJrl
    @pikaJrl Před 4 lety +433

    The better question is what isn’t the problem with Africa’s boarders.

  • @thesenate8743
    @thesenate8743 Před 4 lety +1424

    Europeans drawing the borders of Africa:
    "I'm not very good at it. But it doesn't matter."

    • @magnusaugust8489
      @magnusaugust8489 Před 4 lety +66

      Plot twist: It did matter

    • @pierresihite8854
      @pierresihite8854 Před 4 lety +12

      Not yet

    • @enyotheios2613
      @enyotheios2613 Před 4 lety +32

      Same attitude applied to the middle east...

    • @TheGetout04
      @TheGetout04 Před 4 lety +14

      Sykes-Picot have entered the chat

    • @MarcusKhaos1
      @MarcusKhaos1 Před 4 lety +45

      The problem is that imperialist powers imposed the concept of a nation-state onto peoples that had no say in the matter, with the borders hungrily fought over by people who considered land a resource to extract "value" from. African problems require African solutions carried out cooperatively by African peoples.

  • @waitselljones8068
    @waitselljones8068 Před 3 lety +115

    "South Sudan successfully separated itself" How many takes did that take?

    • @mohamedelfatih9826
      @mohamedelfatih9826 Před 3 lety +19

      I come from northern Sudan it took blood and civil war cuz the british colonization left them ignorant and racist against themselves adding to this the idea of trap that most colonised countries have revolutionised tendency make them try to solve problems out of diplomatic protocol.... The last illustration u can also see in cuba

    • @seismicvertigo345
      @seismicvertigo345 Před 3 lety +1

      @@mohamedelfatih9826 So you're saying the West made them look down on their neighbors as better than and made them think that revolution was a legitimate way to bring changes?

    • @mohamedelfatih9826
      @mohamedelfatih9826 Před 3 lety +10

      Yes but for a different reason. The oil field is found on the south. The west thought it would be great experience to have a deal the way it happened with south korea so lets have south Sudan and work on making it work. And for the North make them the way it happened with North korea dictatorship and poor. But what happened was shoking. Soon as south Sudan got its dependence the fought against each other which changed west plan and made them looked for the North Sudan trying to instill democracy. When i say west i mean USA in particular since most european countries have already instilled their experience in many african countries making USA the only caucasian country yet to have shown their democratic view on africa

    • @aminahmed2189
      @aminahmed2189 Před 3 lety +5

      @@seismicvertigo345 The conflict between the South and the North is very complex.
      In its beginning, the British conquered Sudan, and for a good 20 years established a close borders rule, wherein citizens from either side were rarely allowed to mix.
      During this time, the North was prospering more and had a better economy. And when Sudan gained independence, the Southerners were unfortunately denied the chance to be active in the governments/Parliaments, and thus decided to go to war.
      So while some people would just blame the British, I feel this one is on us as Sudanese.
      They should have either had a say in how affairs are run, or granted autonomy/independence early on to avoid this ridiculous 50 year war.
      Hopefully, our Southern neighbours can still find peace.

    • @ghaijal9085
      @ghaijal9085 Před 3 lety +2

      @@mohamedelfatih9826 stop lying my friend marginalization of South by the north yet the oil is in South which led to war and eventually seperation

  • @Blitz6804
    @Blitz6804 Před 3 lety +1

    I started yesterday watching literally every single Atlas Pro episode in order... hard to believe it took me this long until he had an intro animation.

  • @joshuasalem5022
    @joshuasalem5022 Před 4 lety +162

    What I love the most about Atlas Pro is that you explain topics in baby steps so everyone can understand. Nothing is assumed, you explain everything really well!

    • @Alice-si8uz
      @Alice-si8uz Před 4 lety +8

      And he also shows quite a bit of respect, for instance, saying that we should trust the decision to stuck with the borders since there will likely be conflict by changing it.

  • @mrerfrischend6046
    @mrerfrischend6046 Před 4 lety +323

    3:53 A large portion of germany was and still is catholic. Religion didnt play that big of a role during unification compared to Nationalism. Catholics and espacially the church were fought during the "Kulturkampf" under Bismarck but they werent excluding factors for unification

    • @maxx1014
      @maxx1014 Před 4 lety +17

      Yes it was like 50/50 before the Second World War, when people became less and less religious and left catholic and protestant church organizations

    • @nsk370
      @nsk370 Před 4 lety +7

      @@maxx1014 more like 2/1 but yeah

    • @pommeterre5198
      @pommeterre5198 Před 4 lety +2

      They had a world war because of religion (the 30 year war, 1618) so it played a big role just they didn’t manage to unify around it

    • @mrerfrischend6046
      @mrerfrischend6046 Před 4 lety +23

      @@pommeterre5198 the 30years war was 200years before the unification of germany started with the 1848 revolution and the last big religious conflict of europe. It was certainly important but the napoleonic wars which unified the germans against the french and nationalism were the main factors of german unification

    • @korakys
      @korakys Před 4 lety +2

      If the Entente powers, the winners of WW1, had split the Catholic parts of Germany off and transferred them to Austria there wouldn't have been a second world war. Misalignment of borders is literally the greatest problem facing the world today. I'm not even kidding, the effects are that huge.

  • @neami2020
    @neami2020 Před 3 lety

    Wow! What a great info. So much knowledge in a short clip. Well done 👍🏼 thanks

  • @salmaibrahim6477
    @salmaibrahim6477 Před 3 lety

    What a great video! Thank you so much for this. I've learnt so much about my continent in just 14mins! SUBSCRIBED!

  • @NateEradicate
    @NateEradicate Před 4 lety +451

    I never really understood African politics and this helped me understand it much better. Great video!

    • @rainvast8982
      @rainvast8982 Před 4 lety +26

      No one does , even politicians here don't understand what are they doing

    • @rainvast8982
      @rainvast8982 Před 4 lety +25

      @Mwaniki Mwaniki Algeria , i know we are close to Europe and we have arab heritage, but we are the same as any other African country.

    • @timjongun6674
      @timjongun6674 Před 4 lety +8

      @@rainvast8982
      Same in germany... Our politicans doesen t care about the young generation.

    • @rainvast8982
      @rainvast8982 Před 4 lety +12

      @Ancient Rageedi finally someone understands how things are in Africa, true France still control us and we have many issues, but still we are one of the fortunate one , my brothers in the south are always suffering and struggle to have the basic needs of life , like food and water , this goes so much that the African became the image of poverty and struggle, since when Africans are poor? , most richest people in history of humanity were Africans. All i hope is freedom for both my brothers Africans and Arabs , both of them don't deserve what is happening to them .

    • @sulaak
      @sulaak Před 4 lety +7

      @Ancient Rageedi Not really, African problem is mainly governance and resources. When resources are evenly distributed you normally have peace.

  • @SlapStyleAnims
    @SlapStyleAnims Před 4 lety +391

    The problem is that every 60 seconds in Africa a minute passes..

    • @azzzanadra
      @azzzanadra Před 4 lety +39

      every 60 likes this comment receives, a comment is made in Africa, together we can stop this!

    • @Adinda.1407
      @Adinda.1407 Před 4 lety +2

      U dumb

    • @brihynniewtrephynniewskumh2698
      @brihynniewtrephynniewskumh2698 Před 4 lety

      @@explt9150 Dropped Christianity? You must be dumb to reject Jesus Christ and God. Your parents must not have cared for you or they do but you rejected them as well

    • @cometrider2000
      @cometrider2000 Před 4 lety

      @@explt9150 Idi Amin. Now that's one tough African.

    • @fauq
      @fauq Před 4 lety +2

      Exp LT you are arguing inside of a joke comment, lmao

  • @stilljay4409
    @stilljay4409 Před 3 lety +28

    I am Nigerian and your analysis was bang on correct. The borders drawn by the colonizers and accepted by our forefathers/leaders is what is causing the instability in my country. I think they should have redrawn those borderlines, take the chance. I'm sure the Biafra civil war would never have happened if they did. Again great work. cheers.

    • @Wisdom.Phoenix
      @Wisdom.Phoenix Před 4 měsíci +1

      Watch the video again, you did not get the point.

    • @stevenos
      @stevenos Před měsícem

      It's not about the borders watch the video again.

  • @ina2703
    @ina2703 Před rokem +2

    this is really late, but this video and the us one were both really great! if you enjoyed making them, it would be wonderful to see more videos in this series. there are lots of poorly drawn borders in the world

  • @davidchrismasamba2491
    @davidchrismasamba2491 Před 4 lety +490

    Kongo people were divided between:
    French Congo
    Belgian Congo
    Angola (Portuguese colony)

    • @asad_tube7942
      @asad_tube7942 Před 4 lety +91

      Somalia was divided 5
      British Somalia
      Italian Somalia
      French Somalia
      Kenyans Somalia called NFD
      And Ethiopian Somalia

    • @despertar777
      @despertar777 Před 4 lety +38

      There are also Kongo people in Gabon

    • @davidchrismasamba2491
      @davidchrismasamba2491 Před 4 lety +8

      @@despertar777 Oh interesting!
      I also know that there are baTeké people in Gabon too. As well as in both Congos.

    • @marti4685
      @marti4685 Před 4 lety +9

      Not just individual tribes but unfortunately Bantus in general are divided between 20 countries.

    • @saulsavelis575
      @saulsavelis575 Před 4 lety

      only 300 000 congo people lived in central Africa, so 95% of lands you claim they never settled until Whites arrived and your population exploded and occupied Whites land in Africa

  • @haydenbrofers9970
    @haydenbrofers9970 Před 4 lety +544

    I had a friend that thought africa was just one country.

  • @brucewilson1958
    @brucewilson1958 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for the excellent research. I know that takes much time. Well done!

  • @doowop9833
    @doowop9833 Před 3 lety +3

    An outstanding documentary, thank you. A very harsh reality for our African friends yet it's nice knowing that you ended things with an optimistic perspective. I'm sure they will flourish. And we all must help. We are all Africans.

  • @edgararriaga643
    @edgararriaga643 Před 4 lety +429

    Madagascar being avoided all thru this video...

  • @joshuasalem5022
    @joshuasalem5022 Před 4 lety +164

    Welcome to the new decade Atlas Pro!

    • @elhombredeoro955
      @elhombredeoro955 Před 4 lety +3

      What? It's not a new decade. It's still the old decade.

    • @henrik1220
      @henrik1220 Před 4 lety

      "new decade"
      well, yes, but actually no

    • @henrik1220
      @henrik1220 Před 4 lety +4

      @Lucas Brinster becouse there wasnt a year 0, the calendar starts with year 1, so the first decade ended in 10 ad december 31st,
      so the next decade starts in 2021. january 1st

    • @twowaymaxey5400
      @twowaymaxey5400 Před 4 lety +1

      @@henrik1220 Thank you! I hate when people say "Its a new decade" when its really not.

    • @autism647
      @autism647 Před 4 lety +1

      @@twowaymaxey5400 lol the majority of people think the new decade already started

  • @edwinndaba126
    @edwinndaba126 Před 3 lety +2

    This was surprisingly inoffensive and accurate. Well done!

  • @MJandPkmnFan
    @MJandPkmnFan Před 3 lety +18

    I love how he represented Somalia as it should be along the border lines. The original greater Somalia lines including Ethiopia and Kenya and we move and appreciate you btw 😍😍😍🙏🏾

    • @habibi_sport312
      @habibi_sport312 Před rokem

      Funny things is that Ethiopia literally names its states on the names of the peoples it belongs to. Like Oromiya and Somalia are obviously Cushitic and the Ethiopians know it, just like Southern Nations and Gambela should not be part of ethiopia but part of say Kenya and South Sudan.
      Same thing happened with Syria, under the ottoman empire many now Turkish states were literally part of the Syria governorates yet when Turkey became a country they decided to keep them and move turks to them to make them turkish majority.
      Sad world we live in.

  • @anishsah8028
    @anishsah8028 Před 4 lety +784

    So can we redraw Africa 's borders?
    Atlas pro : well yes but actually no
    P.s. cool intro though

    • @timvanrijn8239
      @timvanrijn8239 Před 4 lety +10

      I dont think anyone should do that except the african them selfs

    • @imgonewiththewindfab
      @imgonewiththewindfab Před 4 lety +2

      France: no way bitch! Neo colonialism is our expertise in west and central Africa

    • @chrishieke1261
      @chrishieke1261 Před 4 lety +3

      Unfortunately, colonialism in Africa has ended 150 years to early. The European powers left when the education, 'civilisation building' (= overcoming of all those ethnic--religious enmities between the Africans) and modernisation (think infrastructre, administration, policing, healthcare) was far from being complete. The situation today wouldn't be that worse if Africa would have stayed in its medieval/prehistoric ways before the colonisation. But now you have societies that aren't ready for the power they can wield. It is sad for those Africans, it is sad for the world and we will hear of famines, ethnic massacres and abhorrent poverty for many decades to come. :(

    • @anawkwardsweetpotato4728
      @anawkwardsweetpotato4728 Před 4 lety

      For K-drama lovers: No... but yes- eggsactly!

    • @GreaterThanGodLike
      @GreaterThanGodLike Před 4 lety

      @@chrishieke1261 it's not all doom and gloom things are getting better.

  • @valeriomargiotta9631
    @valeriomargiotta9631 Před 4 lety +67

    This video was amazing. I am a student in African studies and I really appreciate the accuracy of your analysis, I'm learning a lot from you.

    • @ancellery6430
      @ancellery6430 Před 3 lety +3

      “African studies” lmao. If you went to college and majored in that, you’ll be living a pretty shit life with a college loan and a worthless degree. Unless you got a scholarship or parents paid for it.

    • @MajorMlgNoob
      @MajorMlgNoob Před 3 lety +13

      @@ancellery6430 nobody asked

    • @ShipsandGames
      @ShipsandGames Před rokem

      @@ancellery6430 Proof?

  • @PhysioAl1
    @PhysioAl1 Před 3 lety

    Very well done!! Thanks for posting

  • @anch95
    @anch95 Před 3 lety +10

    10:24
    I was about to comment that these "borders" do not account for resources, but that's exactly what was discussed later.

  • @Cluis.
    @Cluis. Před 4 lety +570

    The German Language in German is just "Deutsch". The people that live in Germany are called "Deutsche". And nice new Intro! 👍

  • @iregretdyeingmyeyebrows5645
    @iregretdyeingmyeyebrows5645 Před 4 lety +671

    Colonialism screwed Africa, when you draw random borders putting enemy tribes together you're going to end up with a mess

    • @utreg0306
      @utreg0306 Před 4 lety +13

      Gibson Ampaw no its late noe

    • @elfilahia6357
      @elfilahia6357 Před 4 lety +19

      @@utreg0306
      You want the truth ... all the countries that France colonized and are still interfering in its politics today and France is still plundering its wealth and provoking internal wars in it

    • @natemup
      @natemup Před 4 lety +28

      @@jessehackman3888 That's not a very logical argument....

    • @utreg0306
      @utreg0306 Před 4 lety

      Qirta King no shit sherlock

    • @renaissancem9836
      @renaissancem9836 Před 4 lety

      Qirta King He’s a dumbo dumb

  • @the-legit-noob-2977
    @the-legit-noob-2977 Před 3 lety +1

    I didn’t know I was so much into maps.. thank you for sparking my curiosity

  • @bodhi3643
    @bodhi3643 Před 3 lety

    Outstanding video, very well constructed!

  • @IffyEdem
    @IffyEdem Před 4 lety +572

    Europe: “Hey. We’d like to fix our border mistakes bro.”
    Africa: “Uh uh. Nope. You’ve done enough.”

    • @sapphireblaze7681
      @sapphireblaze7681 Před 4 lety +67

      Leonis Krigorian not sure about that bro

    • @sapphireblaze7681
      @sapphireblaze7681 Před 4 lety +57

      Leonis Krigorian I didn’t say that about the border problems(which I don’t think are Africa’s biggest problem anyways) I wasn’t sure about your comment that Africans couldn’t fix their problems themselves. I don’t think that the results of accepting Europe’s “help” on any issue would create an outcome that you or anyone would want for Africa. European and American imperialism is the root cause for many of Africa’s economic and political instability issues and since political instability in Africa is profitable to the western world(since it allows for the destabilization of liberation movements and getting cheap labor from desperate people which many industries exploit) it’s unlikely that any European and American interference in Africa will be positive for them.

    • @thelegacyofgaming2928
      @thelegacyofgaming2928 Před 4 lety +47

      @Leonis Krigorian I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but 80 - 100 years ago is pretty recent...

    • @commonsense7558
      @commonsense7558 Před 4 lety +7

      @@sapphireblaze7681 Oh right, all the African sweat shops.Some populations are OK with genocide.If that's what you consider Africa solving it's own problems then have at it... I guess?

    • @iwanttoliveinsoutheastasia2952
      @iwanttoliveinsoutheastasia2952 Před 4 lety +2

      @@sapphireblaze7681 >> So Africa is fuxked up. Nice.

  • @coronavirusiscoming3461
    @coronavirusiscoming3461 Před 4 lety +609

    Africa: *Exists*
    Europeans: *grabs pencil and draws random lines*
    Europeans: yeah that looks about good

    • @mr.pickle4847
      @mr.pickle4847 Před 3 lety +3

      The Iron Chancellor we probably would because chads are they’re own people

    • @atlasflame5815
      @atlasflame5815 Před 3 lety +16

      Europeans: draws lines on map
      Rest of the world: *tortured screams*

    • @coronavirusiscoming3461
      @coronavirusiscoming3461 Před 3 lety

      @Eli Suryana literally bro none of the african countries should have borders as weird as they are

    • @UserName-el4gi
      @UserName-el4gi Před 3 lety +5

      @Deborah Meltrozo "or else they eat each other"
      Words cannot describe how retarded that sentence was, I never knew it was possible for a person to be that stupid

    • @UserName-el4gi
      @UserName-el4gi Před 3 lety +2

      @Deborah Meltrozo oh wait, you are European so I guess it is possible

  • @ITACHIUchiha-3301
    @ITACHIUchiha-3301 Před 3 lety

    Man! That was amazing video
    Thanks for sharing

  • @girlwhowentbazzinga
    @girlwhowentbazzinga Před 3 lety +1

    This was so interesting. Thank you so much!

  • @Lazer-bp9lf
    @Lazer-bp9lf Před 4 lety +460

    Africa: Exists
    Europeans: *It's free real estate.*

    • @TheGreatMoonFrog
      @TheGreatMoonFrog Před 4 lety +17

      Shaka Zulu: Modern problems require tribal solutions.
      Shaka Zulu's sub commander: So anyway I started blasting.

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 Před 4 lety +8

      Oh man, if you only knew how costly is to arrange an expedition for exploration or conquest you would realize why they tried to hold on to their colonialism as much as they could.

    • @Miolnir3
      @Miolnir3 Před 4 lety +7

      @Brett Kavanaugh
      I don't know why you came up with that... I'm only responding to the "free" part of "free real state".

    • @NicheAtNight
      @NicheAtNight Před 4 lety +4

      @@Miolnir3 well... If not that then they seen it as FREE RESOURCES. Nobody forced them to go to Africa to steal

    • @Trucker_Josh
      @Trucker_Josh Před 4 lety +8

      Well international law of the day said if you cannot defend your territory it's free real estate.
      It was all done within international law of the time.
      China is doing the exact same thing right now in Africa

  • @albertfuster6847
    @albertfuster6847 Před 4 lety +244

    1:43
    Video: imagin someone drawing a country half of Spain...
    Catalan independentists: I like that
    LMAO

  • @tshegangchipeya1714
    @tshegangchipeya1714 Před 2 lety

    What an excellent analysis! Thank you for this!!

  • @icarusbinns3156
    @icarusbinns3156 Před rokem +5

    My sister had a classmate that moved to America from what she calls simply ‘the Congo’. Rather, this girl’s entire Congo village moved to America to feel safe and have water security. They moved at roughly the same time, and so there’s an area in or near Denver that’s this relocated Congo village. They all speak French, English, the know Xhosa, and their own unique language. They prefer French and their own thing, and are happy to teach outsiders the basics.

  • @kingslushie1018
    @kingslushie1018 Před 4 lety +812

    Video title: “The problem with Africa’s borders”
    British people: W E C A N F I X T H A T

    • @mfaizsyahmi
      @mfaizsyahmi Před 4 lety +14

      Cyril Radcliffe: "Hold my cup of tea. And my glasses. And my bar cert."

    • @overgrownswamp
      @overgrownswamp Před 4 lety +1

      Hey, want me to carve up your borders? I got a knife, it's right here!

    • @sharonseaman5672
      @sharonseaman5672 Před 4 lety +15

      @Alex Mercer Yup, Partition is standard policy for withdrawing from a former colony. Draw the new borders half-way down any given ethnic, religious, or language group to maximise conflict within them (draw the borders first, then 'grant' each region 'independence' separately as you withdraw your administrations from each one at a time, otherwise they'll just redraw the borders peacefully after you've gone), then exacerbate resource 'scarcity' by funding ard arming the lowest bidders to export all their stuff to you.

    • @muhdhadif5793
      @muhdhadif5793 Před 4 lety +2

      @Cosmic Landscape bruh its sarcasm

    • @iwanttoliveinsoutheastasia2952
      @iwanttoliveinsoutheastasia2952 Před 4 lety +3

      Unironically, Africa needs help, bro. They can't govern themselves right now

  • @go_went_gone6180
    @go_went_gone6180 Před 4 lety +118

    Disclaimer at 8:23
    “These don’t match up 100% perfectly. I know this . Perhaps you can see it best at lake Nasser and its corresponding language area shifted slightly above. That’s just what happens when you translate maps with different projections into this one. But as you can see they’re not all that far off., and get the idea across all the same. If you want to take a look at any of the fantastic original maps any of the maps in this video were derived from, check the description.”

  • @5621346
    @5621346 Před 3 lety

    rly good material! much better than my history class for sure!

  • @lilybertine5673
    @lilybertine5673 Před rokem +3

    The end was very encouraging. Hope people in Africa will keep on moving forward and build a brighter future for themselves. Thanks for helping non Africans to better understand how incredibly diverse this continent is!

  • @MrCovi2955
    @MrCovi2955 Před 4 lety +423

    "So imagine someone and drawing a country that only included half of Spain, half of France and also all those other guys."
    Not hard to imagine, The history of Europe is full of weird border cuts between cultures. It happens whenever someone invades like during the Mongol invasion back in the 1200s and when the Moors invaded in the 8th-10th centuries.
    Look at the history of the Armenian Genocide. Armenia was chopped up by invading forces and a portion was given to the Ottomans by Iran in 1566. This "problem with European borders" led to the creation of the word Genocide to describe what happened.

    • @covfefe1787
      @covfefe1787 Před 4 lety +7

      its called the EU

    • @baarth8305
      @baarth8305 Před 4 lety +2

      @@covfefe1787 whats called EU ?

    • @suomusintti
      @suomusintti Před 4 lety +45

      @@baarth8305 I think he is talking about the strategy game called Europa Universalis 4.

    • @arandompersonlookingforclo7433
      @arandompersonlookingforclo7433 Před 4 lety +3

      Ok boomer.

    • @ericisprobablyfullofshit7797
      @ericisprobablyfullofshit7797 Před 4 lety +35

      The Basque people don't have to imagine that either.
      France and Spain:
      "Your land is now split between two countries neither of which is controlled by you!"
      The Basque:
      "Wait, what?!"

  • @Zardichard
    @Zardichard Před 4 lety +104

    You forgot the Berber languages that are not Touareg :O
    They didn't come from outside like other Afro-Asiatic languages, but were always in North West Africa

    • @aespa690
      @aespa690 Před 3 lety +1

      Theres like 2 million different tribes and languages, he cant cover them all in this short video

  • @cmogly22
    @cmogly22 Před 3 lety

    Awesome information and presented very very well... thank you

  • @mindopener4125
    @mindopener4125 Před rokem

    Thanks so much for an elaborate presentation. Very detailed. 🙏🙏🙏

  • @Jamdunglyrics
    @Jamdunglyrics Před 4 lety +174

    This is the most interesting question I've seen ask on CZcams:
    Can the borders of Africa be fixed?👍
    Keep up the good work guys

    • @andrewgrandma2816
      @andrewgrandma2816 Před 4 lety +4

      Yes, it can become part of the Chinese empire. Fixed.

    • @georgearmerding
      @georgearmerding Před 4 lety +2

      They tried fixing the borders already. It's called colonization.

    • @jabloko992
      @jabloko992 Před 4 lety +12

      The answer sadly is no. There are FAAAR too many small ethnicities and as long as resources are so scarce, killing the other guys is always an option.
      Even if we split africa into lots of tiny countries, they would still invade each other and instability would persist.

    • @pobaeas7326
      @pobaeas7326 Před 4 lety +4

      It's kind of ironic how the same people who advocate for multiculturalism in Europe and America say that Africa is a failed continent because borders made African countries multicultural.

    • @kv-2thekingofderp866
      @kv-2thekingofderp866 Před 4 lety

      @@pobaeas7326 Well, SJWs are known for their double standards

  • @Happy_Zulu
    @Happy_Zulu Před 4 lety +51

    "A lot of research into this one." - quite an understatement! Brilliant vid. Thank you.
    Kind regards.

    • @mrblueberry8358
      @mrblueberry8358 Před 4 lety

      Agree bro🙌

    • @eddymkwambe574
      @eddymkwambe574 Před 4 lety

      If you like colors but if you go behind what you see, you ll find very bad DIVISION

  • @gregwochlik9233
    @gregwochlik9233 Před 3 lety

    Beautiful video. I love maps, I loved the concept. You have shown a place where I was personally: There was a shot of the Umhlanga Pier (the one with the fake whalebone decorations). I lived in Johannesburg for the last 30 years prior to moving back to my native Europe.
    Where do I get that map that you drew?

  • @Leo-ok3uj
    @Leo-ok3uj Před 2 lety +1

    If I am not wrong, this is the first video with that dope and super cool intro

  • @grownassman88
    @grownassman88 Před 4 lety +66

    Need more Africa centered videos. Yours are top notch.

  • @mfaizsyahmi
    @mfaizsyahmi Před 4 lety +242

    Everything cuts in half perfectly. It's like Thanos is doing all this.

    • @anthonyi7834
      @anthonyi7834 Před 4 lety +10

      mfaizsyahmi. It was intentional. It was thought by the Europeans that allowing multiple ethnic group instead of one majority ethnicity would cause disunity. Making them more likely to work with the Europeans than each other.

    • @admusic7907
      @admusic7907 Před 4 lety +1

      @@anthonyi7834 It was a well-planned strategy....now we facing too problem to handle. They knew no matter how long it takes for us to get to civilization, we will be too strong for them to control. This is why whenever they see that you are building a technology that can overpower them, they kill you. Some people still don't know.

    • @infozone9601
      @infozone9601 Před 4 lety +2

      @Anonymous Take ya meds

  • @vampireducks1622
    @vampireducks1622 Před 3 lety

    Thnank goodness for the last section! Without that, this video essay would've been terribly unbalanced and lacking in persepective. So well done and bravo.

  • @lanehill467
    @lanehill467 Před rokem

    Any way you’d do a video of those loose borders you drew with a mind to water tables/river basins? I love your redrawing border videos.

  • @Primeaux182
    @Primeaux182 Před 4 lety +16

    I love how you compared the redrawing of borders/ building of nations with the building of the German national state.
    Giving examples like this helps to grasp the proposals and also shows that the solution you presented has worked before!
    Thank you for this insightful video!

  • @stephenruffino1967
    @stephenruffino1967 Před 4 lety +5

    I love your videos because of how informative yet unbiased they are. They always take a more positive outlook without sacrificing talking about the issues faced.

  • @RaveyDave99
    @RaveyDave99 Před 3 lety +1

    I logged into youtube to make this comment, not something I do often. Really well explained, a true pleasure to watch.

  • @koangdaviddak
    @koangdaviddak Před 3 lety

    You are amazing, I love your channel and videos.
    love from South Sudan.

  • @FirstLast-hz8ut
    @FirstLast-hz8ut Před 4 lety +866

    *Africa Exists*
    Europe: Allow me to introduce myself
    Edit: I wanted this to be a joke, but you all turned it into a racist race topic. Please don’t.

    • @aaronaiysen7534
      @aaronaiysen7534 Před 4 lety +20

      brentonz The devils are full of tricks

    • @octowutyt8879
      @octowutyt8879 Před 4 lety +65

      Ethiopia and Libera:Allow me to introduce to never being part of European country

    • @doyoucanoe4028
      @doyoucanoe4028 Před 4 lety +16

      @Kushite God Faraji They're talking abt Europeans who are alive right now 🙄

    • @Bruh-jr2ep
      @Bruh-jr2ep Před 4 lety +21

      @Kushite God Faraji I would argue that USA has taken that title from Europe long, long time ago.

    • @crazychicksheena
      @crazychicksheena Před 4 lety +31

      @brentonz there the most racist people on Earth lol😂

  • @Nimbus3690
    @Nimbus3690 Před 4 lety +138

    This guy sounds like the more human, less text-to-speech, version of Real Life Lore

    • @sirmount2636
      @sirmount2636 Před 4 lety +15

      He’s better but he still speaks with that weird narrator inflection that some CZcamsrs have.

    • @aristotleofathens6806
      @aristotleofathens6806 Před 4 lety +2

      I was thinking CGPGrey

    • @Nimbus3690
      @Nimbus3690 Před 4 lety +2

      @@sirmount2636 I like real life lore, but his narration is a bit jarring. This guy is alright.

  • @dlitepix3752
    @dlitepix3752 Před 3 lety +1

    Kudos. This must have taken a lot of work. Is it possible to have a bibliography in your comments section or your website? That always gives additional credibility to the information provided especially contested info. like population data.

  • @ovesundberg4503
    @ovesundberg4503 Před 3 lety +2

    Perhaps the best video I will have watched on CZcams in 2021. This should be mandatory in schools.

  • @davidec.4021
    @davidec.4021 Před 4 lety +51

    Oh yessss mr Atlas is backkkkk
    Edit: damn this was one of the best yet! Love it!

  • @subhanallahwabihamdihi5966
    @subhanallahwabihamdihi5966 Před 4 lety +394

    Inarguably the most diverse race and continent on earth. I love my continent and am a very proud african

    • @adobelightroomphotography4730
      @adobelightroomphotography4730 Před 4 lety +23

      That's why it's the Motherland ❤❤❤

    • @adobelightroomphotography4730
      @adobelightroomphotography4730 Před 4 lety +49

      @Sh Sh you know there is a part called north africa where the native there are of light skin because they come from amazigh and berber tribes, and then mid africa is for all the sahrawis and the bottom half is where you'll find the more dark colour.

    • @yonastewelu294
      @yonastewelu294 Před 4 lety +32

      @@adobelightroomphotography4730 you have the full right to call it the motherland!! i am light skinned and from Ethiopia/Eritrea, so i am not African?

    • @adobelightroomphotography4730
      @adobelightroomphotography4730 Před 4 lety +28

      @@yonastewelu294 exactly, this is the racism thats been growing inside our continent, i am an amazigh berber from morroco we were always the native people of morocco before there was any arab invasion. Anyway africa is where life started so no matter what colour you are it all started here !

    • @Bluecheese1400
      @Bluecheese1400 Před 4 lety +21

      lol Asia is the most diverse, Muslim Arabs, communist Eastern Asia, brown Hindu south Asians, southeast Asians, pale Russians, Mongolians, Asia has the continent with most atheist, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism lol. Same goes with climate, cold tundra of Siberia, high mountains of Tibet, dirt rivers of India, ancient Mesopotamia, holiest sight for 3 monotheistic religion, tropical jungle of indochina, orangutan of Borneo, Asia has once largest empire mongol empire, Silk Road etc. Asia is more diverse than Africa and Africa haven’t done dog shit to world history.

  • @Drew-de7ey
    @Drew-de7ey Před 3 lety

    Fantastic content. Nice to see that over 2 million people have watched it.

  • @ucandadiallo18
    @ucandadiallo18 Před 3 lety +1

    There was certainly alot of effort put into this, thank you .

  • @simonstark2948
    @simonstark2948 Před 4 lety +63

    6:11
    "They don't have a majority there, so I'm not going to talk about them."
    That's literally how state building fails in a nutshell...

    • @miasmi4422
      @miasmi4422 Před 4 lety +7

      You are forgetting the context of the phrase.
      He decides not to include it because it's not only just isolated to one state, but is a small minority in said state

    • @kareemtheeb1478
      @kareemtheeb1478 Před 4 lety +2

      There is muslims in the south but he did not talked about them.

    • @randomguy263
      @randomguy263 Před 4 lety

      @@miasmi4422 Yeah, I think it's a joke.

    • @simonstark2948
      @simonstark2948 Před 4 lety +3

      @@miasmi4422 there are minorities in nearly all African regions.
      I guess it's more relevant which mentality the people developed towards each other and the other ethnicities.
      After all, according to the ethnic maps, Kenya should be in total anarchy while Somalia should prosper.

    • @Daddy_Skeletor
      @Daddy_Skeletor Před 4 lety

      No its not.

  • @sebber7992
    @sebber7992 Před 4 lety +7

    Amazing video. I've learn more in 14 minutes 16 seconds than in the rest of my week. Thank you , AtlasPro.

  • @magicgirl5973
    @magicgirl5973 Před 3 lety +1

    Dude, this video was awesome and so well researched ! Seriously thanks, best video I've watched on CZcams in a long time.

  • @halley3032
    @halley3032 Před 3 lety

    extremely well done and highly informative.