Ultimate Spider-Man Is Hard to Defend
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I used to love this show, didn’t know it was so hated 😅
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Believe it or not, originally most of it came from Spectacular Spider-man fanboys.
Yeah since spectacular was canceled for ultimate
Spectacular was to good
"20 years later, and Morbius still can't drink blood in these shows."
It'll never be Morbin' time with Disney.
Wasn't with Sony so far either. Maybe Morbius will never get blood on his hands in media.
-1/100 no morbin time
Worst show ever
parkerboy795 But the old show was 1000x better.
@juancarlosalonso5664 But at least with this show, he didn't have "octopus hands."
@@geardog24 Was kind of silly, but also a little disturbing.
I remember loving this show as a kid. This was my introduction to a lot of Marvel characters, including Luke Cage and Iron Fist.
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To be fair, Ultimate Spiderman and Marvel's Avengers were always going to be fighting uphill battles because the shows that preceded them , Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spiderman, were both very beloved and adapted so many storylines so incredibly well.
And even then, all these shows just can't escape the shadows of X-Men and Spider-Man: The Animated Series.
And then there's their rivals from the DC Animated Universe, Teen Titans, The Batman 2004, Disney's Gargoyles, Spawn, and so on.
@@michaelandreipalon35990s spiderman is not better than spectacular spiderman
@@BLACKSTA361 Admittedly true, but the latter suffers for having an unfinished story. Even his appearance in Across the Spider-Verse begs more questions than catharsis.
And believe me, I'd rather enjoy an imperfect yet finished story than an almost perfect yet unresolved one more... unless it's Half-Life, which admittedly feels somehow *right* when it sorta ended on HL2: Episode Two (plus Epistle 3).
@@BLACKSTA361 sure but its not worse either.... 1994 spidey was phenomenal series
Am rewatching Avengers Assemble again and man, the first season was okay, but they just plop in new characters like they have been the show since the beginning, like give me original material, not the same crap that's in Live Action, but in fucking animation. Disney fucking ruined Marvel Animation and it pisses me off so much because we could have had such good animated movies and shows like the DCAU
The funniest thing about Ultimate Spider-man is that it was the project that started the Marvel-Disney animated universe, but the last few seasons of the other shows take place in the Marvel's Spider-man animated universe. It's like a stab in the back for Ultimate.
What a great comment, I hope nobody steals it!
I see you everywhere
@@raditzhoneyham glad that people noticed and whoever copied it deleted it
If so, then I'm doing my job right.
Well i just see it as poetic justice. Ultimate did the same for Spectacular during the Avengers crossover.
Maybe all Spiderman cartoons are fated to inevitably consume their predecessors at the start.
I kinda like the idea of electro's motive being "to become pure energy" because it's not something easy to relate to. I feel if they make electro an addict to his own powers, they can craft really interesting stories. At first, he uses his powers for his own gain, then slowly his own powers become his only drive... like a crackhead.
something like Tarn from IDW transformers.
@@jonathanathor117 Tarn's obsession with the decepticon ideals?
@@returnedtomonkey8886 no his addiction to transforming into his alt mode. Just him transforming in general is his addiction. A strange addiction.
@@jonathanathor117 Tbh that wasn't very well shown in the comics. More memorable is his obsession with Megatron's philosophy.
@@oni3153 kinds why I like Toga from my hero academia
The way that the whole team bullies Spider-Man, the leader. It gives me vibes of the relationship between robin and his team in Teen Titans Go. They both constantly make fun of their leader and bully them. And They always make the leader an outcast.
Yeah, at least someone saw that
@@iAmSevere He's talking about the reboot not the original
@@shijio4701 yeah I didn’t realize, my bad
At least in TTG Robin is a loser, like the whole joke is everyone in that is terrible but here? They’re NOT supposed to be dick heads
I need more "he's right behind me isn't he" jokes, but the punchline is they turn around and there's nobody there, then the camera pans a little and the guy in question was slightly off camera in front of them
I’ll say this tom Kenny is a great doc ock voice he’s makes the character downright creepy at times
Yep, hope to see Kenny do more quality stuff rather than staying stuck as the annoying sponge.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 yeah I mean I like SpongeBob but it should’ve stopped after the 20th anniversary episode
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 yeah I’m sure he’s wiping his tears with all that moneys he’s been making since 1999
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 I mean, he's very prolific outside of Spongebob!
Damn shame he is cursed by the gods to be forced to play every character in a Pinocchio movie
The reason why Disney pushed Nova everywhere (including Marvel Vs Capcom 3) was that: guardians of the Galaxy.
The fact he just ends being demoted to extra in the movie said how much we cared for Disney Nova
You mean "NOVA Corp" were in the background! Though yeah the fact it took till the CURRENT phase for them to finally decide to getting around to a Nova (and took out to Corp off screen so we didn't SEE how Thanos took the Power Stone from them which was lame) is kind of dumb (they don't even appear in Vol2 of GOTG)
@@paulman34340 They do appear a little bit in Vol. 2 where we see Ego beginning to expand and we see a Nova Corp ship flying in the air above Xandar.
@@HenryLouis21 Oh yeah my mistake on that (I forgot about when they showed what damage Ego's "Seeds" were doing when he activated them!)
Thanks for that🥰
Only reason I was exited to see Nova was because of this show but then after giving this show an actual thought, I realized how shitty it was and how boring it was
I didn’t really remember Nova being an irredeemable asshole but that’s because I forgot he was in it, he’s THAT uninteresting
@@higaiwokeru
The entire team in the show was incredibly uninteresting and basically get written out of the show when they introduce the spider characters.
The same goes for the second-team.
The fact that J. Jonah Jamison wasn't mentioned once in this video really shows just how forgettable that version of him was
He was voiced by J K Simmons I the show
The whole team being jerks to Spidey is the sort of thing most shows would do in like the first 5 episodes, and then they learn actual teamwork and establish friendly dynamics between each other. Instead the show just kept them like that forever until they stopped being relevant?
I remember being a fan of this show when it came out (I was in middle school) and I wasn’t aware it was considered to be the “bad” one until two years ago. I still need to get around to watching Spectacular Spider-Man properly since I didn’t watch it much as a kid due to not liking the art style.
warning it's cancellation was very sudden so when watching it you just kinda hit the last episode without even realizing it because it's not even a proper cliff hanger it's like a cut off sentence
Same I really liked this show but when I tried rewatching it I couldnt get through all of it and just skipped around to my favorite episodes
Spectacular Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man show ever made 😭
I agree with the comment about the art style of spectacular, it's fine when he's got the mask on, but there's something about the eyes of people that's almost uncanny valley
One of the best adaptations of Spider-Man so good you definitely need to watch it. But the abrupt ending leaves a bad taste because it’s just so good
I have so much nostalgia for this show and despite its flaws I can't help but love it
Yeahh Facts Tbh!!!🔥🔥🔥♥️♥️♥️💯💯💯
I do, but the show itself has many flaws that doesn't understand the characters lore
Ong bro
Same, I actually wanna rewatch it now.
Same, i basically spend most of my childhood hood watching this
The deadpool episode is actually one of the few episodes I actually enjoyed. Not only that, but I found that everything that didn't work with spidey (not just the 4th wall breaking, but the cutaway gags and even the chibi) worked with deadpool.
that's because that stuff had been deadpool's shtick for YEARS at that point and honestly it feels like they originally wanted a deadpool show but then went with spidey for some reason
@@sarafontanini7051 DEADPOOL is too dark for a whole series
@@GiannisDaGoat4Real true
I think the thing i'm most grateful for out of this show was that they not only gave a story about Sandman turning things around, but that he became a sporadically occuring supporting cast member.
Yes! This show and the new games really show the helpful "neighborly" side of Spidey.
At the end of almost every episode of the show, he's trying to come up with the best possible outcome for all involved (especially the Hulk episodes), it kinda reminds me of Howards and his pigeons from the games.
My favorite tidbit about this show is they had Drake Bell Spider-Man appear during the original Spiderverse event, seemingly just so they could have the 67 show’s version make fun of him. Yes, you heard that right.
Yeah. Really enjoyed how Miles and 67 Spidey thought he was insane due to all the 4th Wall breaks.
And the Amazing Friends Spider-Man gets brutally murdered. Fun times, fun times.
@@Gemnist98 Plus Spider-Man Unlimited and everybody on Counter-Earth, since they’re all kinda totems.
@@benwasserman8223 the writer said it was a different spider-man unlimited then the one from the show
which issue was this?!
You know your side characters are underdeveloped, when you can just look past Squirrel Girl being a recurring character. It takes genuine talent to make her existence seem completely unremarkable.
Like, she’s the type of character you’d assume would be either indescribably annoying or an unexpected saving grace in a show like this. For better or for worse, she’s a weird character that invites a visceral reaction.
I have to admit I rather liked Squirrel Girl in this series.
@@Wright805 Is it worth checking her episodes out of curiosity? I’m speaking as a fan of the character, who had idea was even in this show.
You could hear the heartbreak when he was like "the Deadpool episode was meh."
Not just that. This shows features JK Simmons coming back as J Jonah Jameson and they do nothing with Jonah.
Kinda sad she isn’t used more. I mean seriously has Disney even read her bio? She is a reject mutate with the power to control squirrels and has defeated incredibly powerful villains like Thanos and Doom. AND DOOM HAS A FEAR OF SQUIRRELS CUZ OF HER :D HOW BADASS CAN YA GET IF U MAKE DOOM OF ALL PEOPLE SCARED OF A LITTLE CUTE SQUIRREL. Lol sorry bout that but hey it’s still pretty impressive
I absolutely loved this show as a kid. Though I haven’t watched in a while, from what I remember, your criticisms appear perfectly valid. I didn’t mind that the original team was dumped by season three, as I became very attached to characters like Agent Venom and Iron Spider in a way that I never was with the former.
Scarlet Spider was also a top contender for best character, and the scene where he lets Aunt May remove his mask and name him was just one of my favorite moments in the show.
I definitely feel like the _biggest_ plus this series gets is actually have the balls to not only use Carnage, but actually follow through with using him. Even if he has to be tuned specifically for the audience of the show.
TAS did it better.
@@GodzillaMendozaMeatriding
@@GodzillaMendozathe glaze 💀
@@FalangeRevolutionary986
Nah, he's right. TAS actually had Cletus show up.
@@FalangeRevolutionary986He’s not wrong though.
I think they should keep the whole thing that Electro likes Spidey's jokes. It's pretty unique and i think it would give some interesting insights on him.
The fact he tried the lightbulb thing for instance makes him either easily humored or super bored.
They actually had it in Insomniac’s Spider-Man. He even tries to outquip Spider-Man too.
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 How did he fare? 😆
@@GamerSlyRatchet1 well, Josh Keaton always had a knack for having a well and good trash talk delivery
True, it should ne electros thing. an humanize him.
TBH I like the idea of Spidey and Electro having a sort of battle of outquipping each other while fighting if the context allows for it to be mostly intentionally humor-focused,
Or just Electro laughing to Spidey's jokes.
That feeling when you remember this show takes place in the same universe as Jessie, Suite Life on Deck, That's So Raven, Hannah Montana, AND Wizards of Waverly Place.
The first two i get but how is it related to thats so raven, wizards of Waverly place, and Hannah Montana
@@teejae5307 there were these 2 big sitcom crossovers on the Disney channel which included those shows
I just thought that meant Cory in the House was canon to the MCU
@@SonplaysMinEcraft no Cory in the house takes place in Marvels anime universe.
@@bearerofbadnews1375Wait WHAT??
The worst thing this show ever did was Disney replacing Josh Keaton in Earth’s Mightest Heroes with Josh Bell to promote Ultimate Spider-Man. It hurts every time I think about it.
To be fair I don’t blame Drake Bell for that and he’s not that bad in that episode. Probably because he’s not playing the Ultimate version
Str8 up if josh Keaton was spideys voice here I would’ve liked it more
My favorite aprt about this show, was 1000% Tom Kennys rendition of Doctor Octopus, who always sounded as though he was struggling with complete and utter madness.
29:39 okay, I’ll give this show points for not doing what they usually do with Body swap episodes and just have the characters being dubbed over by whoever they’re swapped with. It’s a whole lot more realistic and funny to hear voice actors trying to emulate their afflictions.
Right?
My biggest two pet-peeves are the "shrink to microscopic size and go inside x character" episodes
and "body/brain swap episodes that change the characters voice actors to fit the brain and not the vocal chords"
Justice League Unlimited did it better and before this show. Hearing Flash and Lex Luther play each other was awesome
@@rosestar1324 oh yeah that was good considering Flash played Luthor in Smallville
@@curtisleblanc5897 what about Gravity Falls? they did it the same way
@@JimboPro
Sure I like that show, but I just hate when they swap the voices for no reason.
it's so obvious that that shouldn't happen if the bodys vocal chords stay the same.
The web warriors arc was honestly one of my favorite parts of the show. It was so cool seeing all those different Spider-Men forming a team.
In my opinion this is the worst Spider-Man show of all time
Ok who asked?
@@scribblefun9576 no one did
Well I mean at least they’re honest ig
I agree but overall boo-boo show. Deadpool also steal the show
Kid arachnid never sat right with me either
Could’ve just called him arachnid
Or just spider-man
25:13 Doesn't giving Mysterio actual magic powers kind of defeat the purpose of his character
Yes, yes it does.
The thing I find the weirdest is that Fury said he wanted him to teach the group, but aside from a few very short training montages, Peter never seems to take the role of a mentor. Yes, he helps the team in their individual episodes, but it seems more like a friend than a mentor. Not to mention, it's clear they are all in the age gap, so it's harder to see them as a teacher-student. It would have been better if this was an adult Spiderman, but it would have been weird if Spidey was the oldest of the entire group.
It also doesn't explain how he is the most experienced of the group. Yeah, he has actual experience in combat, but Nova was tried by the Guardians of the Galaxy, Danny was tried to be the Iron Fist, Tigress comes from a lineage of heroes so I believe she had some training. The only one Peter could actually teach is Luke, but their fighting styles are so different, Luke would learn better from heavy hitters like Hulk or the Thing, not someone as acrobatic as Spider Man.
I don’t think he was supposed to be a “mentor” but more of a leader of the team.
@@mynameisntmarc He wasn't much of a leader either
True. Luke would probably be the only one. Although spider man could argue that you need to be flexible as well as strong kinda like a football player learn ballet or yoga (cut to visual gag).
100% this. It's implied Spider-Man has been a vigilante for some time at the start of the show, yet his seniority never really seems to show from what I remember. There are a couple of moments, but they're few and far between where he'll act like a seasoned crime fighter then switch right back to being a complete novice making dumb mistakes like a newbie.
@@that1nerd756 peter was spider man for a year before the show began.
I enjoyed Ultimate Spider-Man for what it was; a fun Spider-Man cartoon that didn't take itself too seriously; sometimes....Like you said, it lasted 4 seasons with 104 episodes and was the only Spider-Man cartoon that didn't get cancelled with a cliffhanger, so they did SOMETHING right to keep it going as long as it did. I would rather watch all of Ultimate over Spider-Man 2017...Now THAT cartoon SUCKS....
You and I are not so different 🤝
No they didn't do anything right Ultimate SM is a forgettable mess that's why it got so many seasons it was just meh a lot of Meh shows have hundreds of seasons it's not something out of ordinary
@@seyio1717 Well, as said in the video, the animation and character designs were fine, even good at times, but yeah, aside from that, everything else in the show was either meh or outright bad.
enjoyable buy forgettable for me
The animation itself is booty juice
The amount of " I know you're still in there remember who you are fights" is insane
Its honestly sad how Disney keeps misunderstanding what a show is about and just does whatever they want
The one moment from the show that actually made me laugh is the season finale, when Peter referred to the other heroes as "his family", even though they never had a single bonding moment before then. Best joke in the series.
Also, according to the producers, the show was supposed to end in season 3, but it was doing very well on Netflix, so they rewarded it with an additional season. They were probably itching to move on after that, especially with Bell's legal problems .
"legal problems" is an understatement today.
What did Drake Bell do?
@@kidprime6863 google is your friend
@@kidprime6863 he was grooming an underage fan.
@@VitaminCBable Grooming how?
I actually loved the show as a kid.
The team and family dynamic the group held was wholesome and fun.
The art style, action, and writing I liked as well.
Nah you better be joking☠️
Nothing about this "family" dynamic is wholesome. There all Toxic as shit and just plain bullly spidey.
@@indoorplant2392you better be joking ultimate spiderman is amazing plus people have opinions idiot
@@fame12342 lmao if that’s your type of humor, you need help my friend
I agree, I love the TV show when watching it as a kid who never read the comics.(it's not sold at the nearby shops)
One thing this show has, one of the best doc ock, tom kenny kills it
And i love the oily, pale skin, chubby design, a real basement dweller beliving he is better than everyone
If there's one thing I hate most about this show, it's how they just take away what makes Spiderman, Spiderman. His struggles.
He doesn't have to worry about his secret identity, he doesn't have to worry about his family being harmed, he doesn't have to worry about anything because they immediately placed him in Shield.
Of course, there's other times where Spidey or even other Spidermen has been put in a big team, but those still kept his struggles, in fact they added more at times.
Ex, Avengers. They did perfect with the struggles part, and then added another struggle with the whole team considering him too young and inexperienced to do anything useful, which is a bit of bullying but also reasonable, unlike the team of people he leads in this show, which just bully him for no absolute reason.
If there's one villain change I did like, it would have to be Scorpion. Not only for the probably obvious Mortal Kombat reference with the Scorpion name and the chain with kunai, but because it would actually probably be a very interesting villain if made new. A Spidey Villain that's on par with Spidey's speed and fighting style would make an interesting fight if they ever decide to actually write him well.
@@yourweirdplantthis is just clear nonsense and yapping bro
Bro this just isn’t true, most of season 3-the end is him struggling with high school and stuff like that. If we had every bad thing that happened to Spider-Man it wouldn’t be a kids show.
he literally got his secret identity leaked to the world in the later seasons and has to protect aunt may from getting killed. What are you on my guy
What's odd about Drake Bell's casting is that, if you watch his EMH Spider-Man cameos, Bell is doing a pretty good job. So I blame Ulimate's tone less than on him than the writing throwing a very loud joke at your face every ten seconds, thereby disrupting any tension per scene.
true.
of course now things are different considering he's a child endangerer.
Well according to Steve Blum, Drake Bell was just looking at his phone during and after recording of the Wolverine episode in Ultimate Spider-Man so I just don’t think he gave a shit
@@LiaManila Yeah that might add some fault on his part. But you feel like there are moments on the show where he was doing good enough but something felt…off.
He was "better" in EMH, but hardly great.
It's still weird to me that they just had him dub over Josh Keaton's lines in emh
Honestly even if this show isn't that good when you look at it objectively, I absolutely adored it as a child. It was one my first introductions to the Marvel universe as a whole, and is a large reason why I know as many characters as I do. It's where I learned about the different spider-men and Carnage (even though in this show he's created completely differently from how he's made in the comics, which threw me off for a couple years)
Sounds like it f*cked up a whole generation of kids with misinformation
Same. And ngl when the final episode aired I was omw from school and missed it. So I was depressed for 3 entire days until I watched the final episode at late night 🤣
Thank you for bringing up how insufferable the team was. It never made sense to me how Peter was the supposed to be the leader of the team yet everyone on it seemed to hate and not respect him.
Im in the Band is the best show sitcom in Disney history LMAOOOOO
I think the reason Elecro is good is because he's different in every version and it's interesting to see how the various electros differ and even more interesting the parts that are similarities between them all like electric eels and becoming pure electricity
Here’s how i see electro.
He’s a boring ass guy who suddenly got the powers to do whatever he wanted, and the powers to back himself up.
He doesn’t have a goal or anything he wants to achieve because that’s not what he does.
He’s a dude who just got a good roll of luck, got high on power, and immediately used his powers for selfish gain.
His goals change because he wants to achieve something now that he powers, since he got bored quick of doing whatever.
Hell he might even want the whole “pure energy” thing because he genuinely thinks that’s what he’s supposed to do.
Not every villain needs a deep motivation and backstory, its just a dude who finally got to do something fun
his powers are also incredible
@@crackerjack0349 you can't really name a Spider-Man villian stronger than electro
@@FazeRustyNuts all he needs is to be smarter and control his emotions
@@FazeRustyNuts 🤡
Kraven the hunter, The lizard, Venom,Carnage, Mister negative, Doppelganger, many MANY more
The show was more concerned with making Spidey have crossovers with other heroes than it was with developing Spidey himself, which ultimately ended up being to its detriment. On one hand, as you mentioned, those crossovers were great and felt like they were ripped straight from the comics. On the other hand, all those episodes meant there was very little room for Spidey and friends to have any sort of connected story, making it feel more like a Power Rangers show than one with an overarching plot.
They're okay with Batman: The Brave and The Bold doing something like this, but not this show?
@@kidprime6863the Brave and the Bold was always sold as a comedy series, it was never about developing characters or storylines.
@@insertclevernamehere92 It was also a love letter to the Silver Age of comic books. But it had its fair share of serious moments.
@@kidprime6863 that's a great point
Dude spiderman and power rangers is fine by me
I like that in the 2018 game the writers also had Electro follow along with Spidey's jokes
I loved this show as a kid, though looking back I wish it had some changes. I would have loved more of a focus on the Ultimate team and time to develop the dynamic between individual characters, maybe even episodes where Spiderman takes a backseat for a while. Like Danny and Luke doing a mission together that inspires them to want to make Heroes for Hire later on, or Sam and Ava learning how to work together since they act so differently.
I remember having some fond memories with this show?? Mostly because the animation didn’t feel overly blocky and cartoony (super big eyes or simplistic art style used mostly for children’s Tv) and the jokes weren’t too bad!
Good for you I hated it with a passion.
@@robertkenny1201 as a kid? or were you older?
@@signalhd9793 Older.
@@robertkenny1201 oh makes sense. I was watching this at 10. Loved it
@@robertkenny1201you werent the target audience
My main problem with Ultimate is that whenever spider-man is fighting one of his main villains, (Doc ock, Rhino, sandman, etc.) it either has relation to his team, or his team is the reason they succeed. I think his whole team shouldn't have been in the show, because for a show named Ultimate Spider-man, he doesn't seem very ultimate if he isn't able to defeat classic villains on his own.
Yeah! This version of Spider-Man is too reliant on others.
Not true though Spider-Man actually did defeat a lot of his classic villains on his own without his team. I mean take the season 2 finale Ultimate, spider-man single-handedly, defeated goblin, save the city and rescue his team all by himself. Also in the season four finale, he defeated Doc Oak and his partners by himself, while the other heroes were trapped. So you really can’t say he didn’t. Defeat is classic villains on his own when he actually did. Also, I forgot to mention in the season one finale when goblin took over the Hella carrier, and it exploded. Spider-Man single-handedly, rescued everyone inside and took on the goblin in symbiote while he was at it.
@@Blue_Lightning33 Actually, Spider-Man didn't technically defeat them. He cured most of them. He stole Doctor Octopus' cure gun to cure the Vulture, Crossbones and the Rhino of their mutations. He tricked Scorpion into knocking himself out with his own tail and Alex and Adrian were the ones who defeated Kraven the Hunter, not Spider-Man.
@@Blue_Lightning33 I prefer the Spectacular Spider-Man over the so-called Ultimate Spider-Man. The Ultimate Spider-Man is more like the Ultimate Disappointment.
@@deveshdox6524 Well, that's stupid.
Honestly, I love this show. I've been rewatching it recently and I still love it. Some of the humor is good, and I think the voice acting adds on well with the humor.
The team really sucks though
14:40 wait a minute I just realized
Is that dog A JOJO REFERENCE
Fr I forget this dog was a jojo reference 😭
The fact that Electro is the one villain that laughs at Spider-Man’s puns is charming actually.
You bring up a lot of great points. The Spider-Verse arc and the Web Warriors are like the rare redeeming qualities of the series. It’s just neat to see them appear on the silver screen - aside from appearances in the video games and before the Spider-Verse movie.
He had a similar moment in the Insonmiac game
Spider-Man The Animated series also did a Spider-Verse.
@@elijahbrown3551 Indeed they did, long before the Spider-Verse became popular.
@@elijahbrown3551 Think that show invented it, and also Man-Spider
can relate i literally forget there was a show before the web warriors
The show made agent venom look like one of the coolest characters I’ve ever seen. He’s cool in the comics, but he’s top tier here
There’s a good chance that Sam was made for the show but debuted in the comics before the show aired, like Kaldur from Young Justice. I say this because Sam’s first appearance was in late 2011 and the show debuted early 2012, plus Sam used Richard Rider’s design in the show until he was given the black helmet from the comics later. Meaning the comic writers saw this characterization and actively rejected it when they added him to the comics. Good on them.
Honestly, I'm so happy of watching dubs when this came up. The VA really drags it down. Also, this really feels like a Marvel Analog series with Spiderman as the protagonist than a proper Spiderman series.
Like a Marvel testing grounds.
Honestly, this show would've worked so much better had it taken the BATMAN: THE BRAVE & THE BOLD route, Spidey crossing over with different heroes and go off on crazy adventures every episode would have been enough.
That's kinda what they did in that Marvel Superhero web series.
We could get Big wheel as a villain for at least 1 episode in that situation
@@kidprime6863 An _ACTUAL_ TV series, not short, cheaply animated web shows.
Dude it’s a kid show
@@CZcamsr-wv3ec And?
I liked the fourth wall breaks. When I was watching this show for the first time I knew nothing about most of these characters, I didn't even knew who Spider-Man was before this show. The fourth wall breaks served as an explanation to me as well as a way to see what Spider-Man was thinking about or how he felt about certain things. I also thought the running joke of other people thinking that he's just talking to himself was really funny.
Ngl that's what killed this show for me when a kid. In my opinion I just believe it happens way too much, like how Mendoza stated it just occurred far too much and pretty much stated the obvious all the time. Though as a kid I stopped watching the show pretty early on so for the exact reasons I stated so I'm not too informed what happened in the later seasons. Although im glad to know many people like yourself like it.
I didn’t mind the fourth wall break stew I thought was actually kind of funny like that other guy said I love the show and I still watch it today is one of my favorite Spider-Man cartoons
i also enjoyed the fourth wall breaks, they had some kind of charm to them, it was one of the things that made me like the series
but i must agree that sometimes they exaggerated on it(lenght wise)
I tried so hard to watch this show last month because I have not seen it before but holy fuck, the show literally stopping time just to say a shitty joke happens so frequently in season 1 that I just stopped completely because it's gotten to the point of being annoying more than just a simple nitpick. This is one of the old cartoons that really didn't age well
@@dex3625 maybe now that im an adult i wont enjoy it as i did in my early teens, but it was surely a good time that i had with this show
this show introduced me to marvel not only to spider-man, that's why i love it so much, cause it's not only the same spider-man against the same villains everytime. the 4th wall breaks are just the humor of it's time and the show would be not the same without them, i like that the cartoon focused on spider-man and not on the same peter parker story and problems like every movie and spectacular before, ultimate is just refreshing and perfect to introduce someone to the whole bunch of marvel heroes and villains.
btw the german voiceacting is waay better
The major problem this show created for itself was the huge team
i really liked the idea of Spidey leading a team called the Web Warriors but there were way too many memebers too have a proper team on
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The Spider Slayers end being completely pointless and get killed off by Otto. Spider Woman/MJ is pretty boring. Iron spider Amadeus Cho is obnoxious and annoying.
I have a weird sense of nostalgia for this show because I watched it alot when I was younger but in hindsight making spiderman with deadpools humor along with the other issues you've brought up doesn't make it age well, but I'll give the show credit for introducing me to so many elements of Marvel that I've seen in one show right besides earth's mightiest heroes
i heard someone say that this would be a good introduction to the vast marvel universe for kids, but not the best introduction of spidey
@@taco_boi1167 that's a great description, but also not just spidey but the other characters as well
This show introduced me to so many characters. After i got older and watched "more serious" marvel stuff, i recognised many characters i met on this show
Previous animated Spider-Man shows before Ultimate were so good because even though they were targeted towards children, the showrunners never treated their audience like they were _actual_ children
Exactly
Or perhaps it's more that they understood that even a child audience is capable of enjoying mature content, like I feel like the stereotypical thing of saying "they knew not to treat their audience like they were children" kinda underestimates children. I enjoyed the incredibles when I was 8 even though that film is overtly adult in many ways, I mean the main plot is about a man having a mid-life crisis and a woman who thinks her husband is cheating on her
What a sad commentary, that we equate treating people like "actual children" with condescension and inanity.
Or more like they treated like children, but remembered they are humans and not absolute idiots
@@Spvrinnaelibro ur goofy he didn’t even mean it like that if you can’t understand what people are saying don’t comment u bum
I love this show because it put Peter in a position of leadership which he’s not always in, and how he acts with his friends (not how his friends act to him) and the spider squad seasons were good and you can’t deny it
Also unlike it’s connected show avengers assemble the animation was always good
The funniest part is the fact its called ultimate Spider-Man and then later he goes to a universe where miles exists, WHICH DOESN'T, make any sense since miles technically only exists in the ultimate Spider-Man universe 🥲🥲🥲
What you said about Peter's "Friendship" with the others is my biggest issue with this show. I hate Nova with a burning passion, he tries to be the jokey character of the show, but A. With a character like Spiderman thats kind of a struggle and B. Their attempt to make Sam "likable" is just by saying he has a lot of responsibility without doing anything interesting with him being the owner of the Nova helmet.
Iron Fist and Luke's relationship is also non-existent, non of them have that unless Peter is there. For a "team" to work they have to work with everybody, not just one person. Now yes Spidey is the main character and one of if not arguably the most popular superheroes. But in a show that doesn't just focuses on him, you need more than that to grip the audience. And this is nowhere near as good as Spiderman could or should be.
Here's how I'd fix just the core 5, have Peter use the lesson of responsibility Ben taught him to be a better leader. Have Danny and Luke actually be best friends, with Luke being the first person to gain a liking to Peter, and Danny being the calm strategist who helps keep everyone focused.
Make White Tiger the lone wolf of the team, then make her realise that she has to be more open and maybe have Nova be the one who helps her through that, additionally this would help develop Sam, by making him take the situations they're in more seriously rather than constantly being a jokey asshole who likes to screw Peter over. These wouldn't be game changing, but it actually lead to them feeling like a team and a family, rather than some rando being forced to work with 4 of his bullies.
In addition to everything you mentioned, I would also like to add that there was an interesting conflict for Sam that could have made his abrasiveness a bit more understandable: the idea that he felt that Peter stole the leadership position from him and that he is just trying to get back what he feels that he is owed by proving that he is better than him, even if it is in a juventile way. This is something established in his very introduction in Episode 2 yet goes pretty much nowhere and while it can't justify his actions, it does give him a motivation that could then have served as the backbone for future character-development.
In fact, that is something that all the characters would have really needed from the get-go in hindsight as it would have given them a real personality beyond just the tropes and a way for the audience to understand their actions early. Ava could have been the lone wolf who is driven to become strong so that she will never have to lose anyone ever again like she lost her father and Danny could have been looking for more information about his family who he lost on the journey to find K'un L'un (the lack of real motivation really hurts his character in 'Journey of the Iron Fist' by the way, it kind of accidentally makes Scorpion's claims feel really valid) with him bonding with Luke over similar experiences who wants to find his missing parents.
@@treadingwater86 it's a typical case of how you need to show not tell. This is something my film lecturer always mentions, you have to show you're characters as being good friends, you have to show why they act the way they do. If you just tell us, no ones going to care, what's worse is this was probably a fair few people's introduction to these characters, besides maybe Luke and Danny, but even then they have to make a good impression not be stereotypes of typical teenagers.
You could literally just say Luke is the strong one, Ava is the girl, Danny is the zen guy and Sam is the jokster. What's worse about Sam is that the idea probably was for him to be unlikeable initially, the issue is that we don't just dislike Sam for his actions, but we dislike how poorly he's written. He doesn’t grow or change besides appearance and even then its just an inverted colour scheme, there's no reason for him to be the way he is. And Sam doesn't need to be 100% original he just has to be a person, not the shadow of the character he's trying to be
It's actually amazing how bad they screwed up Nova. If I didn't read champions I would have hated Nova in the comics as well.
@@Killgore-ip2yq Ultimate's writers probably banked on the fact that they were the first to put Nova, or at least Sam not Richard Rider, in an animated series and felt they didn't need to put much effort into him. And Sam's fine in the comics I don't dislike him or think he's poorly written, first impressions are everything though and I just didn't like Ultimate Nova at all
My issue with the show is that everybody Peter teams up with whether it be the core or other superheroes has the tendency to be total pricks to him all the time. Meanwhile, Peter well deservedly complains about the fact that these guys are total pricks to him, then the show treats him like he's just being a whiny little bitch, and he ends up having to learn a "lesson" that somehow everyone else is justified in being total pricks to him.
The only good thing I can think about this show is that they arguably treated symbiotes better than in the Ultimate comics.
Also Tom Kenny makes a pretty creepy Doc Ock. Really enjoyed his take on the villain as this paralyzed madman with a vendetta.
@@benwasserman8223 And even then that's entirely because Tom Kenny is a super talented voice actor, not really anything to do with the writing
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yeah the main thing I don't like about this Doc Ock is he looks too ugly
but that's out of Kennys control so he did perfect.
@@benwasserman8223same, I loved the buildup as well to when he first fought Spider-Man in the show. That was one of my favorite moments honestly
What about this having the first on-screen appearance of Miles where he's voiced by Donald Glover?
I actually really liked this show when I watched it as a kid. I didn't realize people did not like the show that much. This was actually the show that made me start to like Spiderman and Deadpool as characters
I watched this show as a kid but never finished it. I like the idea of seeing the more action oriented Spider-Man show where it's more focus on Spider-Man than the human side, but it's also a matter of doing that well. It's a shame since I LOVE the visual style. The action scenes and lighting looked fantastic. Love the fusion of 2D Animation with 3D assets, looks better than the 2017 show which I never saw.
I know it's obvious, but Spectacular has the best Electro and I'd love to see someone take that setup and run with it. Really lean into the body horror of a guy getting super powers; a guy who is initially terrified of no longer being human, but eventually grows to love and embrace it. Have him reject his humanity and keep chasing the high of gaining more and more power with the end goal of him just becoming pure energy. And every time he shows up, he's less stable, needing more and more tech to even maintain a physical form.
Everybody loves the "dark reflection" thing, so have him emphasize why the most important part of Spider-Man is the MAN.
I honestly don't know if ssm has the best electro.
he's mostly just there as a toady after his debut episode.
he didn't even want to become energy in the show.
@@curtisleblanc5897 I agree with you. In my opinion best version was in MTV SM
Mtv spiderman's electro def is the best for me
Lizard is about that
I was actually impressed that they were able to make a decent marvel animated universe. We got Avengers, Agents of SMASH, Guardians of the galaxy, and spider-man. Pretty good
All of those shows were super mid to down right bad, what are you talking about?
@@senorsnout4417 Well I haven't watched them in years so
@@senorsnout4417 You can't let people have opinions? 😂
And then they kicked Ultimate out for some stupid reason.
@@senorsnout4417 there's this thing called an opinion and people have them bro.
16:45 he is right behind me isn't he☝️🤓
I think the best part of of the series in my opinion was the symbiote saga. I really liked the episode where carnage was attached to peter and attacked his team. As a child i found his laughing and chittering unearving. The there was the symbiote saga. Where carnage takes over city. I found it really cool that he completely humiliated by carnage.
Also I think wolf spider should have gotten a comic series immediately. Wold spider was just shuch a cool concept of an evil peter parker.
26:20 "multiversal constant" bro literally predicted canon events
BrO iS a cAnON eVenTS **whenever there's anything to do with the multiverse**
The premise was solid. The idea of an already experienced Spidey who has been a hero for years catching SHIELD's attention and putting Peter in a similar position to the Avengers in the MCU (before Winter Soldier) was interesting, and it gave an excuse to have him take on villains he wouldn't otherwise (Doom, Loki, etc.), while still having him fight smaller threats on a regular basis. Doc Ock's design is horrifyingly great (and perfectly fits the way his character acts here), and most of the other designs are pretty good. Plus having a bunch of different marvel characters outside of the ones Spidey usually interacts with was cool (and pulling from different parts of the Marvel universe is one of the things that made EMH so good). The only problem is that everything else ranges from just alright to plain bad. As for the actors that were in I'm in the Band, they were the least entertaining of the main cast. None of the jokes in that show were well written, but the other 3 main leads made them funny with their hammy delivery. But instead we got the 2/5ths that weren't good
Also the scene where Knightmare makes Peter experience Uncle Ben's death again was fantastic and in a shorter series (like 12 episodes) that scene alone could have outweighed all its flaws
that episode with Knightmare was one of my fav episodes
@@theamazingspooderman2697 It could have been better though, it could have done so much more regarding the other characters. Imagine if they could have set up Ava's origin-story and the pressure she is putting on herself, or actually developed Sam as a character instead of just wasting his scene on a gag. Danny's scene is pretty okay though.
I forgot most things about this show. The only things I remembered were Sandman, because he's my favourite Spiderman villain, and Knightmare.
Seeing Uncle Ben just really stuck with me.
i ain’t readin allat ain’t to say u wrote that much on a spiderman video💀💀
@@BlindMAN634 Mate, you have a Roblox picture. You're not just a child, you're a fetus 😂
Imagine if we had comic-accurate Ultimate Spider-Man that was as insulting like calling Shocker the Vibrator or telling Kingpin fat jokes
This show is entertaining. Enjoyed it as a kid and enjoy is as an adult. It doesn’t take itself seriously at all and the animation is extremely well done. This show is underrated and people that hate on it probably take themselves way to seriously and don’t know how to like shows that don’t have serious plots with people dying or blood being spilled. My rating for this show would be a solid 8.3 and I recommend
You’re absolutely right about the character drama or lack there off. What irritated me so much was the fact that certain people who knew him for years like friends or people like Flash Thompson, when they found out about Peters identity: there was no impact. For example, you think Flash would have really freaked over the fact that his superhero idol was actually the nerd/ex best friend he picks on in high school and known since childhood but nooooooo he just finds out, is surprised for a moment, and the next day they act like nothing happened. Are you kidding me?! Character drama is one of the best things that make shows worth watching, without that it makes your character seem hollow and boring, like 90% of this show.
Oh yeah Spidey’s supposed “team “we’re really annoying most of the time and seemed to get brainwashed or captured like every few episodes.
Worthless character drama is a very poor sign of the show
i feel bad for the people who sat there and read allat
@@BlindMAN634what was the point of commenting?
@@BlindMAN634 imagine having such a low attention span you can't even read 2 paragraphs.
Are you mad?
This is what I’ve been waitin for!
Me and my buddy Samuel would watch this after school on his Wii. We’d both be kinda bored 3 episodes in and switch it over, and my biggest memory is watching it on the spare upstairs couch and realizing Spidey was Drake Bell and havin a laugh over it.
You know, I was always surprised Josh Peck or Yvette Nicole Brown wasn’t brought in to voice a character. Would have made for a cool Drake and Josh reunion, especially with Josh voicing Casey Jones around that time.
Jack Daniels and Samuel Adams cracking a cold one for Spider-Man after School
So this Spider-Man is voiced by a criminal that fled the U.S.
@@reflex9238
Nah, he was caught, even had a Court proceeding. He got 2 Years probation in 2021, pleaded Guilty
@@baligong3592 last I heard of the guy is that now he's in Mexico and is trying to make a living there.
I never noticed in the episode with Loki and doctor octopus working together for two episodes that in one short part would be an idea in spider man 2017 with doctor octopus mind in spider man body for a fews episode in season 2 which I don’t know if this was a Easter egg of an idea or not
38:17
Disney Jr: WHY DON'T WE PUT A *SPIN* ON IT THEN?
never seen this show, but i have to give props that when characters body swap, the actors have to play each other instead of just keeping each character's voice unchanged
It warms my heart that someone younger than me mentioned the oft forgotten mid-90s NBC sitcom Wings.
I love the comic relief in ultimate, it’s a breathe of fresh air in peters tragic ass life
3:00 sound is from (superhero movie) (2008)
One aspect of this show that I liked is the new origin of the Lizard, especially the part where he lost his arm because of a battle that Spider-Man was involved in.
What, you don't like "man tried to regrow arm, but instead becomes an uncontrollable monster that kills his wife and son" 🤣🤣🤣
@@strisselstudios3932 what?
@@captainmega6310 -the original origin of lizard was Dr. Connors was trying to synthesize a serum to grow his arm back. His wife died of cancer ( he should probably have spent his time searching for a cure for her instead), and he becomes the lizard and accidentally murders billy his son, who he had already terrorized in a prior transformation.- disregard. Inaccurate information.
@@strisselstudios3932 oh lmao
@@strisselstudios3932 which comic is that? Because I'm reading the 60s comic and that backstory is too different
26:21 canon event confirmed
I used to like this show, then I rewatched it and jeeeez….
I loved him working with his team.
One of my biggest problems with this series is that it doesn’t know who it’s targeted towards
I thought this show was amazing why does no one like this show I don’t get it
Well from what the other comments have said, is that I've enjoyed it as a kid (which it was aimed for). But even it's tone doesn't please the youngsters as well.
Wish there was an episode where Peter fights all his teammates at once to show why they should respect him
In one episode Peter beat the crap of all his teammates
The sinister six one
Reading the comments on this video has reminded me of how old I am. I was 18 when this show came out so I grew up on the 90's cartoons. So seeing this and comparing it to the likes of 90's Spider-Man and X-Men left me very disappointed.
I still love this show, it was unique and different.
Honestly despite loving this show as a kid, imo they really should have just adapted the comics into the show. Not only would it be easier instead of creating new stories but also get the fans on board too.
That's what we all thought it was going to be when they announced it. They even marketed it as such when the show was announced.
Then they actually showed the show...which revealed it had basically nothing to do with the comics other than some of the art direction and the name. Definitely not a good way to get people interested in seeing the show, especially after people were still sore about Spectacular being cancelled for this.
Fuck, a animated adaptation of the Ultimate comics would be *so* good. Especially if it aimed for a more teen/young adult demographic like the MTV show did.
@@marvelfannumber1 hell since some stuff from ultimate has been used for Many of the Spider-Man adaptations I'm surprised it hasn't just been given a straight adpatation
@@jadenbryant9283 It had a full on game back in 2005 that adapted the comics
Ultimate Spider-Man is not the best. But I can say It’s definitely better than the 2017 cartoon.
That’s what I was expecting them to do, to loosely follow the comics and tone certain themes down for it to be for older kids and teens like the 2k3 ninja turtles show.
And I was super hype when I read they had Bendis,Paul Dini, and creator Ben 10 & Generator Rex on board. With those big names, you’d think they’d do no wrong.
It's funny that for me the voice acting was so good because I live in Brazil and brazilian voice actors totally nailed this show, and I don't know how much creative liberty they had but I am sure some of the lines weren't that goofy as shown in this video.
nossa eu assisti o desenho dublado e legendado e não sei se é a nostalgia falando pq eu assisti dublado quando criança, mas dublado é bem melhor e mais engraçado
Same goes for the hindi version
Dublado é bem melhor mesmo
Yeah, this happens regularly lol. The brazilian dub is REALLY good and there's plenty of movies and series that are terrible in english, but actually amazing in Portuguese. The ogs pick famous people to do a mediocre job, but since Brazil hires based on quality over fame, they save the show by giving them lovable voices and actual personality.
@@soakedlemons9990 Exactly! Hindi version is so much better than the original.
This show was absolutely part of my childhood. However, I didn't really notice all the flaws back when I was a kid. It's kinda funny learning about those flaws now! Very fun.
I still love the show
I love this show, I've re-watched it so many times. It kinda hurt when he said the humor could only be enjoyed by 6 year olds. I'm in my 20s. I know it's stupid and has many flaws, but with my depression and anxiety it's nice to put in something a little more silly and easy to follow.
Yea you literally just described a show for 6 yr olds
@@kotasake I didn't know that 6 years old have depression and anxiety 🤔 damn
@@adsfire1063 lol foster kid vibes 😤
Everything is funny watching it high😂😂😂
@@gangang69 nah not this one ma
I know I'm in the minority here, but I loved the humour in this show. Sure it can be a bit much at times, but I honestly love how silly this show is able to be and felt like it really put you inside Spider-Man's head. As a kid, when Spider-Man breaks the fourth wall and talks about what's happening, it kind of makes you form a weird parasocial relationship with him, you know? Like he's your buddy and he's talking with you. I sincerely love this show with all my heart
even if hearing drake bell of all people say "with great power comes great responsibility" maybe didn't age so well
I never got that sense personally. It made Spider-Man come off as a pre-school series protagonist.
Wow I had no idea Drake Bell portrayed Spider-Man in any way shape or form- never realized it was him
My problem is that the humor is great for when we were KIDS (even though i never liked it when i was mid anyways) and it's hard to laugh when you are grown up unless you have nostalgia for the show.
@@rivaul3649 I still sorta like it, and I'm 18
guess i'm just perpetually a kid forever
probably not a bad thing, per se
@@FormulaFanboy im not going to say that you have "trash" humor cause you still can laugh at Ultimate Spider-Man's humor (im one of the few people who still love Ninjago). Humor is subjective and there is no "superior " humor. If you like it's humor then that's fine for you. What I'm trying to say is that it didn't work for the MAJORITY of people then and now.
I love Ultimate, Spectacular, and the Tasm movies because they introduced me to spider man when I was little
This show was from a weird era, but it was genuinely entertaining, and the odd references and cameos made me appreciate it.
This version of Spider-verse was fun as well. The 3/4 part special had some great versions of Spider-Man.
This show honestly did introduce to me to a lot of Marvel superheroes whenever I was little. This was the show that also introduced me to the guardians of the galaxy before the movie even came out
I’m in the Band was a classic Disney XD show tho. Now I gotta rewatch
IRON WESAEAL!!!
@@l0sts0ul89 WEASEL SLAP
As someone who grew up learning and loving about Spider-Man from the 90's show, and not watching any other Spider-Man series, going into Ultimate was different in a refreshing sort of way. I learned more about Spider-Man more from the movies and video games, that they were all pretty closely connected. Ultimate changing it up with Harry being Venom, Flash becoming Agent Venom, Norman being a powerhouse Goblin, and expanding on a lot more super heroes made it entertaining to me. I took a lot of getting used to the 4th wall breaks in the show because it was something that felt so much more Deadpool to me that it was jarring, but eventually got used to it.
Definitely not a bad show, entertaining at times and fun to watch, but can't say it's a recommended Spider-Man show to pick to someone who's never watched Spider-Man before when you have the other Spider-Man cartoon series to pick from.
Ultimate Spider-Man was the show that introduced me to Spider-Man. I kinda agree with you that this show might not be the best for people who are new to Spider-Man because it can give someone the wrong impression of who Spider-Man is. I really like Ultimate Spider-Man's version of Spider-Man, but unfortunately, it's not the canon version, so I sometimes have a hard time reading the comics cause I don't like the comics' version of him as much. I just find, whining "I don't like being Spider-Man" Parker to be so annoying. That being said though, I do think the show did a good job at explaining a lot of the characters for newcomers, even if they weren't very accurate.
@@33pandagamer That´s exactly how I feel about the MCU version...
Still not a good adaption
@@spideyguy3315 to you
Its not everybody's favorite, but i love it, and that's never changing
I was actually 7 when I saw this, and it become my favourite show to watch before school because of the effects they used.