SLOWER THAN THE TRAIN! Domestic Flying in France!
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 11. 2019
- My Air France flight from Lyon to Paris ended up taking more than twice as long as a train would have for the same journey!
=====
CHECK OUT PRIORITY PASS FOR LOUNGE ACCESS - 10% DISCOUNT FOR MY VIEWERS: bit.ly/2BGDwOo
CURVE: Get £5 free and your free Curve card! www.curve.app/en-gb/join#NOEL5
SAFETYWING: Excellent travel medical insurance, designed for digital nomads! www.safetywing.com/?reference...
(affiliate links)
EARLY ACCESS, MERCH AND MORE - SUPPORT ME ON PATREON! / inflightvideo
PLEASE SUBSCRIBE FOR WEEKLY TRIP REPORTS!
Big thanks to my Patrons! Join them at patreon.com/inflightvideo
Aaron Adams, Alan Williamson, Alexander James Ewing, Daniel Hornett, Daniel Juschus, Gerrit, Graham brownlow, Jeffrey R. Williams, Joao Pedro Wilshusen, Kieron Smith, Max Lavallee, Michael Taylor, Mike Wooldridge, Neil Turner, Ove Aleksander Langeland-Finne, Paul Fitchen, Ryan Wylde, Sam Stevens
EQUIPMENT (affiliate links)
GoPro Hero 7 amzn.to/2SVH1er
Feiyutech G6 Gimbal amzn.to/2NsNXd7
3:46 Love how he tried to hide the tape... haha
Lol
I'd have got off the plane if I'd seen that
@Jane Grant
For certain very minor items or issues they do use ALUMINUM TAPE across all airlines and carriers, so no need to worry. It is super strong and nothing like duct tape.
@@watershed44 Youre right. This "Tape" how people call it is offen used for very minor things.
@@watershed44 Problem is, most people don't know this. That's probably why he tried to hide it.
Ps. Ever seen the cost of damn thing?
It's not duct tape, its Aluminium tape and it is extremely strong. Older planes end up being mostly made up of it lol
OTO MATIC even if they used duct tape , it wouldnt really hold well because of the weight of the door
It's called speed tape. Look it up.
@@rickythehumanoid it is not to hold anything it is to protect places where corrosian or crack start to form and it is placed temporarly until plane goes for maintenance
@@planespottingmore9130 yes and the reflective tape is also used when repainting or washing the exterior. It's used to cover delicate areas like the pitot tubes and must be reflective so it can be seen to be removed. There was a flight that crashed (killig all 70) awhile back because maintenance used regular tape to cover a pitot tube and forgot to remove it. During flight it made their altitude/attitude/airspeed and other indicators go haywire. Scary.
Edit: fixed to show the crash was fatal to all on board due to a piece of tape!
How about some flex tape?
Forty three minute flight with a 90 minute delay, very efficient :)
seen worse.... 2 hours delay for a 40 minutes flight. my friend experienced 4 hours delay for a 40 minutes flight.
@@timfly767 And I guess you consider fixing a problem with tape addressing the safety issue? don't make me laugh.
@@jcaam8094 it's not tape it's made from aluminium and is extremely strong and is accepted as a temporary fix.
Went to Cox's bazar last year On US-Bangla Air.
It was a 2 hours delay for a 20 minutes journey 😂
You are by far the easiest and most relaxing airplane reviewer on the net. I love the obscure airlines that you take. Thanks again for all that you do!!
I like flying of course but I also prefer the train when traveling around Europe.
@@2xtreem4u Håller med och våran flygskam också XD
@@2xtreem4u Not to be confused with Switzerland lol.
In vast majority of Europe flying is much quicker and generally speaking better. Hell, half of the time it's even cheaper and quicker to rent a car...
@@maciejkornatowski3026 yeah
Trains in Cuba are pretty sweet but scary
If you take OuiGo the "low cost" TGV a one way ticket between Lyon and Paris can cost as low as 5€
I think, when you are flying domestic from Paris to Martinique, then you are faster by plane.
When in Europe I will always take a train over a plane where possible as they are generally quicker and more reliable for time.
The example I use is Frankfurt to Paris which is 4 hours by train from city centre to city centre. When you factor in getting to and from each airport, delays etc the convenience of being able to sit on a train seat (more legroom), on an ICE with free WIFI and being able to go to the buffet car or get in seat service it is a better way to travel.
Depending on the route you can also see more of the surroundings than you would in the air.
Always a matter of preference though.
But trains for some reason are way more expensive.
If by "Europe" you mean "Germany, France, Benelux and maybe UK" you'd be right. Everywhere else train is miserable experience, even in famed Switzerland where trains are on time but so slow you might as well walk.
@@maciejkornatowski3026 trains are cheap in Ukraine but in france I found that plane travel is cheaper than trains.
In Italy It’s Faster Traveling On High Speed Train,Between Venice-Turin/Milan Milan-Bologna/Florence/Rome/Naples
While Traveling to Other Countries From Italy,It’s Faster By Plane
Definitely. I did Eurostar from London to Paris, TGV from Paris to Lyon and flew back to London.
Urgh, a CRJ... sad to see you lost at #EquipmentRoulette! Unbelievably, Air France is going to sell business class on domestic routes. God knows who will buy it with such a good TGV system. 🤷🏼♂️
Meh, CRJ1000 are great and robust. I think you're getting it mixed up with CRJ200's, which are indeed ageing. Ever tried a CRJ550 yet? United has them now.
Nothing inspires confidence more than being told your plane can't take off due to technical issues and looking out the window to see a man holding a roll of tape 😂
It wasn't speed tape ... it was a roll of ex Blue Peter sticky back plastic....
I loved the way the engineer tried to hide it behind his back.
No, it was FLEX TAPE
When I was in Europe I loved taking the train everywhere. Never even crossed my mind to fly.
Same
I'm an aviation guy so I'll take the plane over train any day no matter the cost or speed, but for the regular European traveler who doesnt care, the train is probably the best choice.
Nice video, always good to see something new. This is now my favourite trip report channel by far and I look forward to the new uploads as well as feasting on the back catalogue! Thanks Noel!
All the knowledge you have of aircrafts and you didn’t know that it’s Aluminum Tape used on aircrafts NOT duct tape 😂😂😂
Us aviation maintainers call it 100 mile an hour tape....some expensive tape tho haha
That's what I was about to say.
MrRozzi20 We have a few names for it, Speed Tape, Ali Tape, 100mh tape.
@@MrRozzi20 😂 it's known as speed tape in UK/Ireland
We call it 'stop making a big deal out of nothing tape'.
TGV First Class and you’ll have change too. Safe travels
Thanks Noel, I really enjoy your content, you are my favourite CZcams trip reporter on CZcams :D
Thank you I really enjoyed the video
New logo? Thought you was Bald&Bankraupt at first! 😂
Robbie D they must have the same artist haha
Don't complain, just live with it
You should come to Greenland, and fly with Air Greenland. Now that is getting winter, you wont regret the beautiful view.
Love from Greenland
Yes, I am
French accent sounds so good
Watching from Perth, you need to come back here... several Bae146's not to mention heaps F100 and F70 out of Perth, we are very retro :)
Almost 100.000 👏 awesome! And a great Report!!! Thanks
4:08 R.I.P Aigle Azur
what happened?
@@defencebangladesh4068 they were liquidated
Nice video. You are the best youtuber for travel in the air. Regards Tommy from Sweden.
Thanks for the HOP review!
Your so close to 100k. Keep up the great work!
Yesyes, with high speed train (aka TGV), you can travel at 320 km/h. And this is from the core of a town to the core of another town. So the plane is not slow, but the train is fast :)
Think you’ll find that it’s called ‘speed tape’ or aluminium tape pal
Great videos Noel - if you’re interested in a terrific and unusual domestic route you should see Etihad’s Swiss régional flights - Geneva to Lugano is incredible!
That’s why in Europe sometimes train better , wish we had a railway like that in uk
well done for speaking french noel!.
Such lovely views of the country side as you come in to land in Paris !! I get the feeling the train may have been faster with the TGV ? And another hour from Orly into the City !! Thanks Noel another great flight review !!!
Great video Noel
Fantastic Trip Report Noel! Liked
Thank you :)
Not sure why you'd take a plane for this short trip. The TGV is vey quick and very convenient, and probably cheaper. Did it a year or two ago by train, and enjoyed it a lot.
Back in 1988 I flew that route on an Air Inter Dassault Mercure one way and a Caravelle the other!
Hi *Noel*, I'm finding out about this video quite lately but it's a pleasure to see you had the chance to stop over in my home town of Lyon. Unfortunately, you haven't been really lucky with the experienced delays on this flight. So far, this never happened to me before whereas I never take the TGV since it is ALWAYS late and so expensive. Hope you still enjoyed your stay in France! 🇫🇷🥖🥐
Speed tape. Works wonders!! 😁👍🏻🛫
What you should add to mention is that airports usually are located far outside the city (for obvious reasons). So you have to add travel time to and from the airport. It's also not cheap to use trains that go to the airports and with a bus you risk getting stuck in traffic which could cause you to miss your flight (that happened to me once, I'll never use London Stansted anymore for that reason). When you go by train you can get off right in the city centre.
There's been construction in ORLY for more than 6 months now. That's why you got a slot and got delayed. Usually you dont. PLUS, the train national company SNCF is also very well know to have HUGE delays... so to be honest If you took the train, nothing would have guaranteed you to be on time... cheers from FRANCE.
I genuinely like France and the French people, but that announcement at 3:54 might be the first time I've ever _heard_ a gallic shrug... and the funny thing is that I totally get where he is coming from!
Hah, at least you didn’t randomly appear at Lyon trying to get to Reims from Perpignan!
It feels soo weird! The place where you boarded the plane, I have been there countless time already😂
Getting you to Paris "late and frustrated" is probably Air France's way of getting you acclimatized to the local Paris attitude!
I died when you talked French at 1:07😂😂😂
Lol same 🤣🤣🤣🤣
His French was actually good, though
at least he's trying unlike a lot of Brits
True
Yeah I agree supposed to some ignorant foreigners that just go one *points*
Lovely little story
Nice
Regardless of which way you travel, there's always a chance of a strike.
Callie Masters You could drive
By train yes
In Singapore going on strike at the national carrier would be deemed tantamount to treason I think (our 1st PM deported some of them I remembered for "violating national interest")
Paris-Marseilles is 3 hours in a TGV from city centre to city centre.
In a jet it’s about 1 hour, gate to gate. Plus 45 minutes to get from the city centre to the airport, each way, plus get there 1 hour in advance, and hope to get through security on time... so looking 3.5 to 4 hours in an aircraft - and if you are going to Orly, the Orlyval automatic shuttle is bloody expensive for a 7 minute ride....
Noting that Air France are always more that the standard rail fare.... So for major city to city in France, and even some international trips, the train is faster or as fast , and in the case of going Paris to Munich, 90 minutes slower than a plane, but without having to strip and be probed at an airport and without having to take multiple trains and metros ....
The TGV train system actually killed the former French domestic airline Air Inter - together with a fatal crash near Strasbourg.
I am not even sure what's the purpose of Lyon -> Orly has for catching a long haul flight you'd need to transfer to CDG which is a long trip... :-/
Crj 1000. Cool. In the US all the carriers only go up to the 900 but seems like most are going to the e jets now. I'm actually flying an e175 for my first time tomorrow
I saw exatly that route when I was traveling back to copenhage. AND I aye att the same resturant
Domestic fights in France are most likely to be used as connecting flights rather than pure dometic !!!
TGVs are generally a much better experience than flying for French domestic routes - providing you live near one of the high speed routes that is.
Its called speed tape. Pretty strong stuff
That's why the first TGV line built was between Lyon and Paris.
But no one take it cuz you always have 5h of delait
At least you got to experience Hop! When you tell us how much your flight cost at the end of your videos it would be useful if you could give an indication of how far in advance you booked the flight. Great video by the way.
A random Technician: I HAVE DUCTAPE
Everyone onboard: Oh God we're saved
Airports are the most interesting places to visit!!! THY Noel!!!
I see Arsene Wenger’s got himself a tidy new job
I enjoyed this video Noel. TBH I can understand why AF continues to fly LYS-CDG (because of the international connex) but not so much LYS-ORY. Although there is an air-rail link too from LYS to CDG. The Lyon-Paris route was the first high-speed TGV line many years ago.
Bloody hell that's expensive! When you compare how far you can get on U2 for a 3rd of that it's crazy money.
Also i've told you before 01:23 stop putting tropicana in your coffee you madman ;)
U2? I suppose you mea. The former spy plane? Times are different now! We used to be able to fly on Concorde both faster and higher than the U2, but not these days!
@@computerbob06 No I mean Easyjet whose flight prefix is U2 nowadays. If you could get twice as far for a 3rd of the price on the spy plane that would be bloody impressive! Although from all the documentaries i've watched on it( and there have been many) i'm lead to believe that the inflight service on the thing was terrible and duty free was somewhat lacking lol
Flight review on an actual U2 should be a goal for Noel!
Very good video.
Lyon isn't in the south of France
No, you are right, it is in the north. ;)
No! It has 4 guns in 4 turrets and can be called the "Quad Quad!" battleship!
...the train may have a lower starting price, but so does the flight if you book early. Especially if you calculate the one-way price as half the roundtrip price. And the train can be delayed too... technical problems are not exclusive to aircraft :)
so , now , to Paris from Lyon ...the TGV is more cheaper ...but flight is better for aviation lovers ...lol , a technical problem can arrive before take off in all company ! even in the US or England ...lol
Took an EasyJet flight from Paris to Toulouse and was arrived 1 hour and a half later while a classic TGV ride takes almost 5 hours to achieve this, I guess it's just bad luck sometimes but I much prefer to use a plane
Try Air Frances Newcastle to Paris Charlles de Gualle flight that's usually ran by a BAE 146 200
I believe that route is operated by e jets now. E190 and E170
Nice airplane
if you fly to Orly you will always have delays if not for landing, for finding airstairs, Delays due to works have been going on for the past ten years at least
To be fair, in a country with a high speed rail network, especially one as developed as France, trains are always going to be faster. The plane is only really worthwhile once the travel time for the train starts to go above four-ish hours.
That's not duct tape. That is aluminum tape used in all sorts of applications. Sometimes it's referred to as speed tape. Usually used as a temporary fix for some minor defect or very small crack. Not a big enough problem to warrant cancelling a flight but it's designed to keep it from progressing until maintenance can make a proper patch.
500mph tape, I was given some at Heathrow once when I had a loose panel on my airline coach
Classic france none of the information lines up! Not surprised at all lol. Great video
what camera do you use and where do you position it when you are walking / entering the plane?
Whatever happened to the Blimp? Seems like only yesterday I took the blimp from Paris to Hamburg. Clean, quiet and efficient
you said it take 2hours by train 40min flying front of that aircraft kindy remind me of the lear jet ty for showing this :)
Your French is very good!
Yeah the TGV is properly impressive.
Ahh the CRJ1000 the pencil in the world of planes
Dennis Bünning 757 300'flyimg pencil
@@s125ish The 753 is more of a long tube
The Flying Skidoo!
I wonder if there are any delays in trains? 🤔 could happen...
Take Ouigo costs even less can pick fares up for €20
Cargo Door Stuck?
Fix It with Flex Tape.
Normally the Paris to Newcastle flight with Air France Cityjet normally has a BA146 on it
It’s an Avro RJ that I’ve done loads before. The BAe146-200 is the one I’m missing, that this was supposed to be :(
French airports are a long way from their parent cities and have expensive transfers. The train is just easier. It drops you in the middle of the city.
Lyon Airport transfers cost €15.20 booked online in advance!!! That's a third the price of the train to Paris from the same Lyon station.
evening noel
In winter , flying in france is a huge problem in term of domestic flights , Fog , low visibility and bad weather are kinda bad for the HOP!'s CRJ aircrafts . Air France is my favorite company but this year , what a shame ...
Love you new profile pic! 😆
I am honestly not suprised it took longer, the TGV is so fast, 2 hours from dijon to paris so that would be around half an hour from lyon
2hours from dijon to Paris that is no tgv we do valence paris in just over 2 hours lyon is even less so how can dijon be 2 hours ?stops at all the stations up to Paris ?
@@dazlebluefrogify Dijon to Paris is 1h35min. I live in Dijon so I can firm this info up to you
Traveling within France to Paris is complicated. Going from city centre to city centre with minimal luggage? TGV. Connecting on to an international flight and there's a direct option to the Airport without too much waiting time? TGV. Otherwise you might as well fly because anything that has you get out and navigate Paris with your luggage or stuck waiting too long at CDG/Orly probably isn't worth the inconvenience for the comfy train.
2:44 What was the flight attendant handing out when boarding the flight?
Overall still a great flight, I'd say. Always good to see ultra-short haul domestic flights get some screen time, you know?
- Red
God that's not ultra short try Loganair westray to papa westray thatsca 45 second flight
@@Sierraomega1991 Haha yes, that's true! But that one's practically microscopic!
I think your cost per mile is a great idea.
Will you be doing a Top Ten, experiences for the year? No recommendations, just your personal opinion.
Any flight can hit snags, as can driving a car.
Merry Christmas
Trust me! I rarely have big delays with Air France, I think that Air France is quite a good airline
Two very very serious accidents within 9 years of each other hmmmm ?
I will be honest here, the only routes worth taking a plane over in france are cross country like Paris-Nice or Paris-Toulouse. Even Paris-Marseille is better off by train if we factor in airport transport and security checks
TGV is really reliable to travel everywhere in France; flying was not a clever option at all, and that TGV train started in 80's
For such a distance (450 km between Paris and Lyon) the high speed train is obvioully faster than plane, as you don't have the airport commuting time and long boarding procedure...
French Airline ? Oh dear we are in trouble... (don't shout on me i live in France)
Nice, iam happy that you say this about your flagcarrier. I love your reaction
The Captian of the plane sounds like Arsene Wenger😂
Nothings as scary as scat air 😬
Fast trains are definitely better than aircraft for short distances and few stops in Europe. Out here in the West trains make no sense at all, given the distances involved and the fact that cars travel nearly as fast as our relatively slow trains.