Is It Worth It To Buy The 13 Secret Lairs That Did Not Sell Out? | A Magic: The Gathering Descent
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You wanted to know what the middle ground for the 30 year anniversary is: brothers war as a set and the commander decks they made for them (the one with the nostalgia bait borders and the bland game design) I know it doesn’t seem celebratory but Wotc acts like it is
How about secret lair heads I win tails you lose. I still don’t have mine. Want to talk about a one year delay and no updates since “we plan to ship October 24th”. I was excited for the product. Now I am just done with mtg
with all these SLairs you could add a SL calendar as part of your merch xD
Hey Professor, don’t forget about the secret lair: Here Be Dragons! that nobody knew about!!!!
Professor, your methodology on this seems video seems somewhat flawed. As a longtime (and sometimes bulk) buyer of secret lairs, there are a few obvious issues. First, secret lair cards almost always sell at a premium above the least expensive previous printing with one major exception: reprints of cards printed in foil in only very limited or dated print runs don't fetch a cost anywhere close to the prior foil printing. Bonus cards often account for a major component of value in a significant minority of secret lairs. For buyers purchasing bundles, there is a substantial discount which I don't think has been mentioned. Also, if you're truly looking to do a dollar for dollar comparison which implies a buyer might look to then sell these cards, there will often be a significant transaction cost whether selling to a store, eBay, TCGplayer, etc. We now have enough secret lairs out that many of these factors can be estimated. It will almost certainly mean that all of your non-foil estimates are low, and many of the foil estimates for value are way high. I would be very interested to see another video accounting for some of these factors, as they significantly impact the value.
I don't think that "New Secret Lair Alert" gag will ever get old. And that makes me happy.
same! I watch these videos mostly for that 😂
ALERT
It is my favorite
These “cold opens” are half the reason I click. Just when I think he’s outdone himself, he proves me wrong.
Never
Sometimes I just watch the intros for the Secret Lair reviews. Always fantastic.
Much appreciated!
*NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT!!!*
agreed
As a dude that wanted that 30th anniversary secret lair, and didn’t get one, I can say that I’ve never been told so pointedly that I WASN'T invited to the party. It was a 30th anniversary celebration for very very few.
Really?! Crud I take it all back! Look out credit card, it’s time to PARTYAY!!!! ;)
Just wait a bit and keep an eye on Cardkingdom or something, the singles will come up for sale eventually just search for it once and awhile :P
Same. One of the very few I wanted to buy and I missed it cuz work 🤷♂️ I mean we all know how greedy the company has become but there's a lot of money they're losing here simply because they refuse to make the amount people are willing to buy.
I was way more upset about the 30 Countdown Kit than the 1k proxies. I could just choose to ignore the awful product that sucks, but I had no choice in not getting access to the Countdown Kit.
just proxy them :) you'll get it WAY cheaper
The Ito and Shinkawa sets are what Secret Lairs was always supposed to be, a chance for other artists to show their talents to the magic community and give us some decent reprints of cards that would otherwise be hard to fit in a standard release.
Seconded. This is the best that has come out of the Secret Lairs yet.
Somewhat less of a fan of the Warhammer reskins that use misleading names.
E.g. suggesting a different creature type (Stardrake, a Dragon 11:20) or legendary status (Ghal Maraz, 11:30).
@@LinkEX ghal maraz really should have been hammer of nazahn at the very least
Agreed, although their art style isn't to my liking I have purchased previous sets just for the new art.
@@zacharybecker8228 too expensive lol
I almost bought the Ito one, but I'm not building anything with the cards he redrew. Almost built Esper Doomsday, just so I could justify buying 4 sets for the Remina ones.
I just learned that there was about 130 Secret Lairs
A hundred and thirty?
The first one wasn't even three whole years ago, this is insane!
Well they only need to contact an artist and ask them: “Hey do you want to make 5 of your own MTG cards? We’ll need them finalized in about a month. Thanks, ciao.” WoTC probably has 4 artists working on something every month.
Hasbro wants to increase profits in the next 3 years by 50% total insanity. Im scared of what is yet to come.
@@AngoDecay I think they failed at that and sunk their company in the process, so that's good
rookie numbers
That number will more than double in another 3 years. I expect an additional 2-300 in the next 3 years.
the "new secret lair alert" skits are better than any snl skit in the last 10 years
I wholeheartedly agree! He should release a compilation of all the skits
I dunno, that Avatar sketch with Ryan gosling kills. 😂
@@mrtekbunny The Ryan Gosling skits are pretty much the only funny thing SNL has made in a decade, and that's mostly because that dude has an uncanny ability to make dull writing funny
If you lean right-wing, they are for sure ;)
@@Hemlocker I get it, you REALLY hate snl. Very unique take. 👍
I think I spoke about how fascinating watching the Professor's descent into madness with the Secret Lairs is just the other day, and now there's a new video on the subject? Perfect!
Can we appreciate how the Prof keeps making new skits and types of content even after YEARS of youtube? Unrivaled passion
I still remember when the Secret Lair alert gag was so tame at first. Now they progressively get more and more insane. Now sure who edits these video but they desirve a raise, haha
Prof, you doing okay, man? If we're burned out, you gotta have it rough sometimes. Thanks for being the best advocate a community could ever hope to deserve, but take care of yourself, too. Much love.
Rudy too
@@walls_of_skulls6061 he's not a magic player, the only thing getting burnt out is his wallet lmao
@@Aigis31 he's not burnt out but he's a damn good advocate for the mtg
@@walls_of_skulls6061 more like a damn good advocate for market manipulation lmao
I loved the intro but the coin toss after it was perfect! It is very subtle and conveys a simple message about the state of that particular secret lair. Very well done!
I was so glad to see staples like Mulldrifter and Craterhoof in the last charity drop.
> pushes the secret lair
> in turn pushes the cause
What a great call unironically
The extra in the Talisman secret lairs was a nice foil etched Fellwar Stone.
if you could call that a foil, yes
No. They were nice non-Foil Fellwar Stones.
The two Japanese artist lairs are just GORGEOUS
As always, Prof screaming "NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT" makes my week.
If I get a Secret lair just for the collection, I'd definitely get the Yoji Shinkawa and Junji Ito ones since do really like their art style... But just for ONE card, I'd definitely want to get the Tezzeret one.
@@lachlank.8270 yep. Took a lot of willpower to keep myself from buying 4 and then selling organs to afford the rest of Doomsday.
Yeah, I bought a bunch of Secret Lairs earlier, but of the three I'm still happy with having purchased, two were artist lairs. One was the Bob Ross lands, the other was the Seb McKinnon one.
It’d be so cool to have magic cards with magic art and magic characters. I don’t mind having universes beyond necessarily but it should be like a once a year, once every other year thing
Personally, I like having more Universes Beyond products. Mostly because I can't get into EDH with actual MtG characters, but it's really easy to build the UB characters for some reason.
I agree. They are really cool, especially for the fans of the other franchise, but they shouldn't be so frequent and they should reskins. Imo having a Stranger Character as my commander would be weird without being able to connect it to an existing card. I'm bad with words and hope I made my point.
But that’s most cards?
Eh. What's good? Stuff like the Warhammer 40k Commander Decks/Secret Lairs. Stuff you can safely just ignore. What's not good? The Transformers in BRO. No one woke up going, "Oh man... you know what I'm bummed about? I can't open BRO Set Boosters and get Optimus Prime. I'm so sad about that." Literally no one. And if WotC would have made three Secret Lairs four times (regular, reg foil, Shattered Glass, SG foil) they would have made people who REALLY loved Transformers put down $90 at least to get all of them. As it stands, you can get all of the non-foil releases for less than $40. Oops.
magic characters?
That was the best New Secret Lair Alert sketch so far. Though I do think that the documentary aspect of it could be a great one to use independent of the counseling session.
The Junji Ito and especially the Yoji Shinkawa as a huge Metal Gear fan.... Might actually end up buying my first secret lair
Same here. My wife loves Junji Ito. She barely knows how to even play much Magic (FOR NOW!) but I picked that up just as a gift with art she'd like for an artist she loves.
... but then the Yoji Shinkawa cards were too much of a "nice thing to have" siren call for me, aesthetically. Not sure if I even have a plan to put them in a deck at any point, or just admire them.
First and maybe only time I've been drawn into the never-ending secret lair whirlwind.
I bought my first secret lair with the Shinkawa cards. Like you said, I’m a huge MGS fan and love his art
Love the art and artist but $90 bucks for both of them is too much for so few cards.
The Yoji Shinkawa art just blew me away, so I finally purchased my first secret lair.
The art of Junji Ito is stunning. Picking up the foils for sure
Honestly, even if it were like a quarterly thing, I think that would be alright. But the fact they have so many up at all times is unbelievable. I really like the blood bowl ones though, might see about getting those proxied.
I agree. It makes it impossible to reasonably keep up with things I may want or just what is available. Especially combined with their abhorrent website UI. Not that I buy them anymore. After every secret lair I've ever purchased got hit with at least one delay, I've said no more.
I hope even though prof seems fed up with secret lair he still makes these videos. They are so helpful for someone like me
I absolutely love Yoji Shinkawa's SL art wish they would of added another card or two but I still got it they're just so beautiful.
I think my favorite part of the Age of Sigmar one is that they actually spelled Archaon's name wrong. Like, how do you even do that? How many people looked at that card and were like, "yup, that's good, print it!"
I _think_ I got one of the $160 anniversary ones. So many got cancelled later, I cannot say I got it.
That intro was really worth it, your team gets the best ideas!
Between the first ever release of a SLD, Bitterblossom Dreams, on Dec 3, 1993 I mean 2019 and today, Nov 9, 2022 we got about 140 SLD including the latest ones and the "ultimate" releases as by the tally of MtG wiki/fandom. By card numbers we are well over 1100 by now which is pretty close to one card per day. For three consecutive years. Speaks more than one release per weak on average I'd say.
Holy crap.
Every time a new one of these intros comes out, it feels as though the professor is writing a new thesis in "shid posting" and somehow they are more profoundly engaging than their predecessors. Some of the best material I have seen ever, I am consistently blown away!
After reading the title, I was expecting 13 New Secret Lair Alerts. Little did I know that I would get way more than I bargained for!!
The Dan Frazier talismans came with a foil fellwar. Absolutely gorgeous
No joke, i just got 1, it is beautifull!
And of note, they seem to be going for about $30. (Not ~$500)
Man, seeing this makes me wish that they told us what the "bonus" cards are. Would probably influence buying decisions for lots of people
My game store actually buys secret lairs and sells them at barely any markup. The owner said he wanted to have them because of how difficult they are to get otherwise and even if he takes a loss, he knows people will still buy other stuff from the store so it brings business
My favorite channel , you always sound like a true lover of the game, informative and funny as a bonus. Many respect.
Never change Professor!! I come to you for sage advice and new wisdoms, and each time I am blessed with what I seek.
Thank you for your continued honesty and staying as non-biased as humanly possible
i feel like that "5 year plan to stop paper support" thing from that one dies to removal is rlly coming true rn
Random funfacts: For the month of October alone there was 32 Different Secret Lairs (you missed 2!).
2 Post Malone, 3 GamesWorkshop, If Looks Could Kill, 4 Special Guests (2 that were in English and Japanese), Space Beyond the Stars, Weirdest Pets in the Multiverse, Extra Live 2022 AND the Horoscope of the month (I'll be generous and ignore the fact that you can also buy all the other horoscopes if you wanted).
All of these were also available on Foil.
On top of that you had the the Totally Spaced Out Galaxy Foil Edition (only in foil), the disastrous 30th Anniversary Countdown kit, and the Hasbro Pulse Exclusive Lil'l'er Walkers Secret lairs (the one that you missed, and for good reason they only show up in the banner of the SL site. These guys have the most insulting narrow shipping region coverage I've ever seen) that comes both in Foil or Standard.
Even if you wanted to take just 1 version of each and don't want to cover ALL the versions, that's still 15 different Secret Lairs.
Let that sink if for a second.
So that's all positive right? I mean people want cards to be available. Wotc making a lot of SL means a lot of reprints. Maybe all the art styles aren't to your taste, but more options more better.
@@danielolsen3514 I'm at loss of word to this painfully clueless reply.
You don't see the problem with Wizzard pumping out 32 Secret Lairs a month on collectors, or simply what it's doing to the structure of the game itself by injecting a bazzilion different variants of limited run cards into its system?
You play only with proxies right? Only someone that play only with proxies would have that take.
Why would someone that play with proxy care about reprint anyway?
@@Pers0n97 oh please enlighten me on how this is ruining the game. You can't simply state things are bad in a vague notion.
From my perspective SL provide reprints, extra copies of cards, opportunity for variant arts for those interested/collectors.
Are you worried about too much for collectors to buy? Isn't that what the internet wants, so they can't corner the market on products? Are you worried about collectors?
The internet/players want more reprints. SL provides that. The Bloom tender reprint lowered regular copies prices making it even more accessible even before 2X2 reprint.
More products benefit the game. Didn't distracts. The regular sets are still there. The game that existed 5, 10, 15 years ago still exist.
So again. Enlighten me on this vague idea you have that it's ruining the game. Outside of vague doom saying predictions.
@@danielolsen3514 Nah. I'm good.
I don't think it's worth wasting my time explaining the obvious to someone so maliciously disingenuous.
"More products benefit the game."
Jesus, what an awful, clueless and downright stupid take.
Yeah, I'm really not gona bother wasting my time here.
@@Pers0n97
So you decide to spend time responding with a non answer?
You have yet to make a point beyond "there's a lot of Secret lairs and that's bad because "
This isn't helpful discussion. I hope people can read such replies and recognize the difference.
I also don't see the need to label my response as malicious. I don't agree with you but I'm not trying to insult you. I would like to hear a reason or explanation for why SL are damaging the game.
absolutely love the secret lair alert videos. The slow descent into madness is so well done. I expect to see cthulu in the next one or one where the prof sees himself as spice in a mirror
I genuinely enjoy the preamble to these videos. Great work prof
Even if I wasn't curious about the validity of these secret lair cards, which I am, I'd love this video on the magnificent performance of the intro and sponsorship ad alone. Well done, yet again. Love it when you lighten the mood for us all when we may be taken advantage of for our cardboard art addiction.
Good lord Brian - your ad skit was fracking hilarious.
I try
The only one I decided I wanted was the Junji Ito drop in Japanese because the art was chilling, the cards are all ones I will use, and I'm learning Japanese so any reading practice is nice
As someone who plays total war warhammer the Archaon lair was an instant buy he looks so sick!
I might get the Blood Bowl one just cause I play that game quite a lot
ill prob grab jsut him once they release i was sad they didnt make custom tokens for him
That intro was everything, Prof 👌
Love the New Secret Lair Alert gags, only thing that makes me look forward to new SL releases!
I love this videos so much and the work you put in! I think the valuation of the non-foil is nice because even if you're "not getting your value" the baseline price of the mix of cards in that art will always be the price of the lair if not higher due to demand and rarity of the printing.
I got out of magic two decades ago, but started following the stories last month. This is the first secret lair I have ever laid my eyes on. I don't know what I was expecting.
Secret Lair Intros are some of the funniest MTG content there is. May feel indifferent about SL but the Profs vids covering them are 10/10
I have a feeling that the Junji Ito Japanese versions of the cards will be more sought-after as collectible items if nothing else, and sadly I can't find any prices revolving around those printings if the availability exists
Well, they don’t exist yet, if you mean you’re looking for prices now, they’re gonna be made and shipped after the secret lair closes, in like a few months at least
@@SBCurley There are *some* prerelease prices up as of now, and I am looking forward to all of them being on market for sure.
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Loved your signature! That was epic that you happened to pop into the stream right when I got all your lands in the mail!
I really wanted to show you NPC’s Tolarian Academy Art! Maybe next time. ❤ Thank you for your time & for being such a thoughtful individual!
Oh man that next shuffle up and play is going to be really fun! Can't wait for that one to drop
Love your videos but especially love your openings 😂. Most excited for more FaB content btw you got me addicted to that game now.
That intro LMAO. This channel truly is the live documentary of a man driven mad by WotC xD
Thank you for the video & the signed lands! I love land art!
That intro was absolute gold, Prof. Pure gold.
The intro made me question the very fabric of reality. Well done.
Glad you liked it!
I’m planning to get the Post Malone drop (not the land one) just to support Post, and I need some of the cards. The bonus card I got with the Imaginary Friends drop was a foil Mesmeric Sliver; the bonus I got in Nils Hamm drop was a Tireless Tracker with water color-esque art similar to the art that was part of the drop (I thought it was a straight duplicate at first).
Edit: Remember the Guild Kits? Those were an A+. Why can’t there be something like that for the 30th Anniversary? 😠
Can't wait to see you at the Summit Prof!
Damn it, prof. I nearly choked laughing at the intro skit. And as always, appreciate the well-thought-out response to the treatment of the sd product line.
52 secret lairs, one for each week you'll be waiting for it to arrive...
i was one of the lucky few to get an order in, i was charged for two because of how awful the limited run was handled 🙃
My favorite thing about the 30th Anniversary Secret Lair is that now the only way I can buy it is on Ebay for $100 more than what they sold it for. Thanks WotC! A great way to celebrate 30 years with your fans!
Excellent intro Prof! I love these videos!
The introduction of secret lairs was worth it just for these intros.
I really, really want to get Junji and Yoji's secret lairs, just because of how amazing the art work is.
I love the Shinkawa art cards. I preordered a box of Kamigawa Neon Dynasty to get his Satoru Umezawa art on top of collecting the set, and this Secret Lair was a must buy for me.
The thumbnails and skits are getting insane, and I love it.
Just the Junji Ito secret lair and nothing else.
The Warhammer one is collectable
@@dajuggernaut2099 🤢🤮
Prog whatever you do don’t stop the new secret lair alert storyline. I literally watch every single one of these you out out
That intro made me chuckle! I really wish that local game stores could get and sell secret layers... Then I might actually buy one of them 😔
Here in Canada, most stores offers secret lair. Of course, their cost is almost as high as ours (However they can get several bundle, so technically they get a discount) and they sell them for a little bit more than Wizards retail value (The first copies) then gradually increase their price as their stock goes down. Interresting when you want a secret lair right now and not wait.
@@dr.jambonius7479 Interesting... I'll have to ask my local game store if they have that as an option. If so there's definitely a couple secret layers from this video I would like to get 😝
Here from Rudy @ Alpha Investments for the "New Secret Lair" alert. Outstanding, keep it up!
Be careful on whatnot. Many streams are predatory and advocate for gambling with substantial loss.
Just go to singles sales and skip shows with titles involving "pull box" "mystery" or anything with game in the title.
I miss old magic... It's like watching an old friend hanging out with people that don't care about them. And on the outside they are doing good, but you know in reality they aren't okay.
"I'm not even gonna try that, Prophet of the Waaagh!" was always my favorite character from the Warhammer 40k Ork army.
I also love the _subtle_ reference to the "Heads I win, tails you lose" secret lair issues.
FYI to anyone curious about Fellwar Stone: it did just get another printing in foil via Secret Lair, it was the bonus card for both of the recent Dan Frazier drops. Foil etched. Could be a more appealing option tbh.
Many Flesh and Blood players ask the question: Is it worth it to buy the new dynasty set??
The therapy open is gold! Hope to see it again in the future!
Very useful video. Thanks for getting this out even though it's a bit later than usual. I know you are burnt out on them, but we appreciate it.
I haven't seen a secret lair video before and thought I was going crazy when the alarm was happening but wasn't acknowledged; I was listening to the video since I'm doing dishes lol.
"Does it even matter?! DOES ANYONE EVEN CARE?!?!"
Way to sum it all up, bro.
Love these vids. The intro of this one was hilarious! Prof also earned my thumbs up with his brilliant suggestion for the Totally Spaced Out SL drop. Something I didn't know I wanted now hurts that doesn't exist!
Also, it's automaTON not automaTION 😅
There there... it'll be okay. Relax and enjoy your weekend.
The opening skit is really funny.
As a new player and someone who thought the horoscope lands were so cool, glad you've taken the stance you have. I would have definitely shelled out for a 20 land set but 5 is crazy you need to minimum buy two to play in a low basic land deck...
Its "fun" that Rudy just post a video of your Secret Layer Alert today saying you are truly disapointing of this kind of sale and just droped another alert. I like that you are trully apreciated as a part of our community by him too.
The Prof may be happy to hear my bonus card from the Talisman SLD was a foil etched fellwar stone 😅
Wow. The "that's what they want, idk." at the end. I can just identify with every syllable of that delivery.
Watching prof butcher the ork names brought lots of joy to mu heart
The Yoji Shinkawa SLD is actually my first drop I've ever purchased. I can swap that Tezzeret into my Sharuum deck and I'm using the rest of the cards - the artwork is absolutely stunning and attractive enough to make me want to treat myself.
You are such a good guy, Prof. I will always give ya Patreon money even if I don't get my signed card!
Prof, you keep impressing with these intro's. Can't wait to see your sanity fall further with more lairs to come!
I haven't been more unwelcome in the MTG environment since I joined a 3 person commander match, running against Augstusin IV stax and a deck that just replicated smokestacks. And that was atlest fun since I was hanging out with friends.
That outro sponsorship was hilarious! 😂😂😂
Gonna pick up some of these and try my luck reselling the foils I don’t want later.
The nuance and care put into the prof's videos really makes me NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT!!!!!!!!
_The thumbnail for these gets more grotesque everytime, i love it._
The opening of this video is the best mtg humor I've seen.
Alpha Investments new video had me coming back here to watch the intro again.
omg the intro on this one made me laugh uncontrollably, absoloutely amazing
This was the best whatnot advert I've ever seen.
the intro was phenomenal
The intro skit looks like it was directed by Neil Breen. And this is praise, just to be clear.
The intro was fantastic and it's how we all must feel with the constant barrage of new products
Fellwar Stone will be in foil and old border in the BRO Retro Artifacts, which makes it probably a couple bucks worth as an uncommon (which is great).