Should the FUJIFILM XH2 be a Cinema Camera?
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Should the FUJIFILM XH2 be a Cinema Camera?
Welcome back to the channel, in todays episode I am going to be discussing whether or not the Fujifilm XH2 should be a cinema camera, I talk about Sony, Panasonic and Nikon and their market strategy, I feel that Fujifilm have too many photography based cameras and should start to diversify and the XH2 is the perfect camera for them to shift in that direction!
#xh2 #fujifilmxh2 #fujirumors
What should the XH2 be?
100% should be a cinema camera. That's a sick idea and I'd buy that instantly.
@@sirajfilms9066 let’s cross our fingers and toes! It’s surely gotta be coming from Fuji... just how long we won’t know...
Oohhhhh yes!!!!
- ProRes RAW okay. But BRAW also !
- Stay on SD V90 card (for 4K 120p - 422 10bit internally)
- true viewfinder
- keep dials
- SDI output
- XLR output
- eND filter internally
- Basicly a truc APS-C or S35 or subS35 sensor with good low-light (as good as X-T3 is enough I think !)
- Working on video codec, like 60 / 100 Mbps H265 or h264 4k 422 10bits with those wonderfull fuji film simulation, ready to go to Internet / TV (where canon is good at)
- adding professionnal output : XLR and SDI
The purpose for me is to get a full featured Documentary camcorder. With high-end frame and versatility.
As they have GFX line for cinema camera ! (bigger sensor = harder to focus and more expensive / heavy lenses.)
@@CptCurk you nailed it on the head, even if the xlr wasn’t built in I wouldn’t mind the hit shoe mic adapter like Sony and Panasonic without any cables, it would be so good!
Been saying for a while now would love for Fuji to do their own style of pocket cinema camera, something dedicated for video, I would definitely look at getting one so hopefully they do that with the XH2
that's what im hoping or maybe they will bring out another camera instead, but im just hoping for less of the same cameras at the moment, too much similarity which is a bit pointless to me.
I've been saying this for over a year, Fuji could do so well if they made their own equivalent of the best selling FS5/7, Now FX6/9. Not necessarily Cinema specific camera like Arri, Varricam and RED Etc.. but an All round capable video camera that is still light and ergonomic enough to use for Documentary and factual TV work. To release such a camera soon though, they would likely be best using a flexible lens mount or one that can be switched out (Like the Kinefinity cameras) as Fuji have virtually nothing in X mount that is truly video capable due to their photography lenses having only electronic rather than mechanical focus. Luckily, Fuji are very solid lens producers.
I should also add that they could release a GFX Version with medium format sensor raising above what the others are doing with FF, but they would need to invest heavily in AF.
I think they would be banking on people buying their cine zooms which are very light and cheap compared to the market but still make for an expensive purchase, I think the next XT single or XH will be definitive of their current technological capabilities, the xt4 is still quite new so it’s gonna be interesting to see what they do... fingers crossed
Right with you on this Alps. I moved to Fuji because of the video capabilities of the XT3 which is a great value for the money. Held off on the XT4 for many of the reasons you mentioned and will buy an XH2 if it becomes Fuji’s video centric model. That camera would then become my A camera and the XT3 would become a B cam. Fuji needs to listen to you, Aditya Varna, Sean Boyd, Palle Schultz and others who have done great things with the Fuji X series. Fuji give us the XH2 that filmmakers want.
Thanks Gregory! Yes we all want that progression, I hope it isn’t just a one off from Fuji coz that would be majorly disappointing, I feel like they are rising up in the ranks and this would be perfect to give use video users an upgrade path!
You nailed it. The X-H2 has to be a videocentric camera with prores raw & full size HDMI port. If not, I'm getting a BMPCC 4k and be done.
Yeah let’s see what happens, the new gfx has prores raw so I’m guessing the next XT camera will too, I mean they have to in order to compete as it’s the only flagship line in the market without a form of raw video, canon have it, Sony, Panasonic, Nikon even Olympus I believe... I’m optimistic I’m just praying they don’t make canons mistakes from the 5d series...
You nailed it. Anything short of full sized HDMI port and support for ProresRAW I am not buying.
Nice video man I’ve never used a Fuji but looks cool - the quality of your videos are so cinematic!
thanks for watching! just simple lighting, fuji cameras are one of the best budget video cameras on the market and they take great pics too :)
@@AlpsLifee cool thanks man was gonna say if you could make any videos on Panasonic cameras
Glad I found you on the group!! Great content, I’ll be subscribing and tuning in!!
thanks for watching, Your channel looks cool, gonna check it out!
Fuji needs a mini cinema line no doubt. It has to stay relevant and competitive. It also needs to give a clear path for upgrading for its xt video users. Thus it needs to have these features:
6k upto 30fps, 4k upto 120fps, prores raw, 14+ stops of dynamic range, mini XLR, full hdmi, much improved auto focus, ibis, no heating issues.
All of these features are incredibly important and cannot be neglected. Basically we need a bmpcc6k on a fuji.
Anyway great discussion. Hopefully fuji sorts this out.
Nailed it on the head, couldn’t ask for more!
Let’s see what they say at the end of the month
YES they should. They have so many Photocentric Cameras. They produce Cinema lenses. But no Cinema Camera. It would be great to be a hybrid with 70% video and 30% photo an a 24mpx sensor for 6K@60fps and 4k@120fps with 12bit RAW and high birate options. Full HDMI and external recording on an SSD.
Let’s hope and pray!
Exactly. And it has to shoot at least 6k 60p, 4k 120, Custom Dials modes, 180 degree shutter, unlimited recording, full HDMI, better high ISO performance, flip out screen, RAW recording, a mini xlr would be clutch, plus more. No one is going to buy a crop sensor camera with the same specs and similar pricing as a Full-frame when they can just get a Full Frame camera. They need to stand out. I have a XT3 now and if they dont come out with a beast XH2 and faster weather sealed primes, I'm switching. Don't know why they dont make a 18-35 1.8 X mount. That would literally kill the sales of the Sigma 18-35.
its a good point, 6k is doable since we already have 6k sensors in the xt3 and xt4, I would prefer 4k 120 with af though, we know they have the capabilities, the question is, are they gonna take the gamble or will they plant it into their Medium Format cameras.. that's my fear
@@AlpsLifee They will lose that Battle. No one wants a video centric camera big and shaped like a GFX, lol. Then if its $5000-$6000 people would just get a Sony FX6 or C70. We'll see though. They need to come out with it in the first quarter of 2021 before everyone makes a switch. Too many great cameras out now to be waiting on Fuji
@@joshdiditt yeah man the clock is ticking, progression is everything, that’s why I don’t get the point of the xs10 it’s literally a progression of the xt30, we gotta wait til 27th January anyway to see what they announce, I expect 2 cameras but they may announce development of a 3rd
@@AlpsLifee Maybe it was a "busy" camera. Something to just throw out to buy them and keep them on people's minds time until the XH2 comes.
@@joshdiditt potentially yeah, I mean it’s great for vloggers, maybe it’s the start of something or a replacement for the xt30, who knows what they are thinking
Why can't it be both like many others are, just being one thing would limit its market appeal too much
The way I see it is this, a good photography camera can be an excellent video camera too, but it always seems to lack certain things, in this modern era hybrids are great, but a good video camera will tend to only be just that, good at video with subpar photography features (A7S3 for example, BMPCC4K etc) for a good hybrid video camera the megapixels would have to be around 8-12 for good lowlight in 4k, I don’t see many photographers wanting that, I think the trio or duo of offerings to cater more to one side than the other would benefit photographers and videographers individually, but hey if they could make something amazing that’s still a hybrid and still can target advanced filmmakers then I’m all for it :)
still think hybrid is the way to go - an R5 style or now recent release sony S1 camera and dont forget the Panasonic S1H.
though i do wonder why the XT4 isnt "pro" enough for photographers. maybe its the screen? and so they are looking towards the H2 to be their "pro" photo - sports wild life camera.
but if its a cinema camera you are hoping for, what kind of body design are you thinking of? still the same DSLR style body as the H1? - put a fan in it like the panasonic S1H? could be a nice idea.
but I think H2 will be hybird while they release a new S1 for their cinema line in the future as well.
I mean if I’m honest all I want is one body to be more video focused without ibis, digital IS I don’t mind as I can turn it off and still use lenses with is, I don’t even mind if the body is the same like with the GH5 and the S, or bit bigger with a fan like S1H, I would want way better battery life, so I’m inclined to go towards the cube style body, it seems the most flexible, doesn’t need to be huge, I’m one of the few people who actually likes the design of the C70 if that gives you a clue
@@AlpsLifee oh i do like the C70 body design for the cube style body is rather unfamiliar though if it really is a cine camera ill be a few year too soon to get and shall get other fuji cameras instead.
do want a variable ND filter like the sony FX5?FX6? - so one can have smooth adjusted exposure than the step up rings on the C70.
a body without ibis? - isnt it possible to turn it off? - in any case so it will also be like the sony FX5/6 where it has the internal gyroscope and you get what i heard pretty good digital stabilization through their program?
@@JayGrapherTh issues with ibis is that you cannot use Lens IS without ibis, both have to be on or off and I like to shoot wide angle a lot and it doesn’t work very well it warps really bad, a variable ND would be great! I believe the X100v has electronic ND I’m not sure how that works but maybe something like that could work..
@@AlpsLifee the X100V is a single ND filter.
and i think they are able to fit it in because the lens cant change.
You’re 100% on point. Cinema camera is definitely needed
I like the idea of the Black Magic competitor -- but it should not be called XH-2. I think they already established that the XH series is about more DSLR like cameras. I'd appreciate the better grip, to be honest. I have an XT-3 and the grip leaves something to be desired. I have a hard time shooting it with one hand.
For making the Fuji ecosystem great for video, I think they also need to update their lenses. When doing amateuer videos, I had tons of trouble with suddenly changing exposure in video. It gets better if I lock aperture and I read somewhere that older lenses can only adjust aperture in bigger steps which cause this exposure stepping.
On the XT-3, if I am serious about a video, I'd switch to all manual settings now. Which can be annoying.
Well initially my video was in response to what Fuji said in that they were unsure of how they could make the xh2 different and that was pretty much the only thing missing a video focused camera, January 27th is nearing so there’s a chance they may announce the development of something new let’s wait and see
@@AlpsLifee makes sense. For me, what they call the new camera is not super important.
I'd love a video centric one. And updates to the lenses for video.
They need to create their video camera ASAP a little fujifilm komodo with the dials....
Must be video centric camera , Should record in 10 bit 4:2:2, and must include C4K .
Now i use the xt3 and i like your opinion 👍 a camera for more video and i can use my X lenses 👍👍
Yes 🙌 hopefully soon 🙂what sort of content do you shoot?
@@AlpsLifee Hello, I begin to film about 2 a 3 years ago and I buy my xt3 2 years ago. Normaly I do travelshots but i want to upgrade my skills :-). You can find me on Vimeo and search Katrien & Yves under people ....
As a video shooter (with the XT4) I totally agree, we need a video-focused camera. It didn't sound silly to me, but one of my clients was surprised to see me shooting vidéos with my XT4 because he thought Fujifilm only made photo-centric cameras. FUJI we need to change that please!
Exactly, what’s funny is their cinema lenses are some of the best in class... we all know the strives they made from the xt-2 to the Xt-3/4 for video... if they can keep it under 2k to compete with black magic would be amazing
I really hope Fujifilm will build a real cinema camera with the form factor of the ZCAM or the RED Komodo. My wishlist includes electronic VND, full size HDMI with 12bit RAW output, an SDI port, XLR ports, maybe internal RAW and 6K60p (and maybe an interchangeable lens mount) :D
I hope one day my dream comes true. I'm considering to buy a ZCAM E2-S6, but if Fujifilm release a real cinema camera, I would instantly buy one.
Nice content Alps.
thanks man appreciate it
Don't know much about Fuji, but I must say the video it produces from what I've seen from your content is 😍😍😍 Also Congrats on the 2K!!!
Thanks bro! You’ll be at 2k in no time! Content is top notch! Fuji video is quite special... let’s hope they make it extra special with a video camera 😂
@@AlpsLifee Cheers mate! I appreciate it. Yeah hopefully they do, will be good to see :)
Hoping you're right! Great content here
Fingers and toes crossed
Great video alps as usual
Thank you 🙏
Are you still making films?
If you watched the video you would know 🙂
Cimema Video would make sense i think!
im hoping they do, otherwise the a7s3 is enticing me... I just struggle to let go of fuji colours, one of the best colour sciences I have used.
@@AlpsLifee True - the xt4 just does everything for me mate. If it wasnt for timelapses I sell, the Lumix S1 woulduve been gone long time ago!
@@DanielBryn yeah xt4 is good but the jump from the xt3 wasn’t good enough for me, maybe the xt5 will be better, if Panasonic had better AF for sure the S1H would have been my next step
I totally agreed about x-s10 statement Fujifilm strategy simply doesn’t make sense anymore.Sony is definitely making heads way something that Fujifilm cannot compare.
I think one of the issues is that fuji find themselves in the market as one of the best for value cameras and that pitted them against the top dogs, sort of like how canon made waves with the 5dmkii, lets hope fuji dont stagnate and continue to blow away the apsc market.
@@AlpsLifee It just looks like Fuji have come to dead end they are not doing anything that is revolutionary with x series cameras, just coming out with one sensor every two years and having all x series camera with same sensor is just ridiculous.
It must be a Cinema Video base, with space in the sensor, that we can place ND filters behind the lens (at least), and at 10bit. 4.2.2 internal! I think it would be revolutionary and competent, also a 32mp to 50mp sensor would not be bad to do my landscape images! Thanks for this video men, i hope FUJIFILM seen this video soon!👍👍
I’ll be happy with just a dedicated video camera 😂 Let’s all hope they do something and not just carry on with the same models each year because then I would have no choice but to switch systems.
@@AlpsLifee That's right, i like the SONY a7SIII, but i can't afford these price right now, that one can be my second choice period!! Thank you my friend!
@@M_freedomOfSpeech fingers crossed 🤞
4k 120fps! Its all i ask!!!! Please!!!
Absolutely! I think they can do it! more dynamic range to go with it would be nice too :)
@@AlpsLifee yeeeh 14 stops of usable!!! dynamic Range Please. And high bitrates (NOT in h.265!) for 10bit and 12 bit in All-Intra.
@@DjVuyoUmlungu well the benefit of h265 is at 400Mbps it has more detail than h264 at the same bitrate so I don’t mind transcoding to proxies coz in fcpx it’s a breeze
I heard it from a friend of mine in Japan they will bring it out to different cameras one with video and one without video the one with video gonna cost $3000 the one without video $2000.
It would be great if it is a hybrid camera
You are wrong. The main reason why many do not like the Panasonic FF S1 is due to size and weight, so less people will like the XH2 as well for pure video if is too big and heavy for holding it up with one hand. People don't like that. The XT4 with that nasty flippy screen is the perfect size and weight for vloggers. It doesn't get better than that. Of course the XT4 is the first of it's kind so it is expected to keep improving in video performance, with the next model which of course people will have to buy one hahaha :-) The XH2 should not be for pure video it will most likely be something like the Nikon D500.
Perfect for bloggers yes, but not for filmmakers, we don’t want ibis with all the warping, digital IS is fine if we need it, or even gyro data like Sony, every filmmaker I know in the Fuji system wants a dedicated video camera, Fuji has too many hybrids or photography focused cameras.
@@AlpsLifee I see what you are saying. Thank you.