Game of Thrones Podcast Episode 56 - House of the Dragon Seasons 2 Episode 5: The Regent
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- Back talking about Episode 5 of House of the Dragon Season 2, The Regent. A rather illogical start, but it gets better.
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House of the Dragon is an American fantasy drama television series created by George R. R. Martin and Ryan Condal for HBO. A prequel to Game of Thrones (2011-2019), it is the second television series in the A Song of Ice and Fire franchise. Condal and Miguel Sapochnik served as the showrunners for the first season. Based on parts of Martin's 2018 book Fire & Blood, the series begins about 100 years after the Seven Kingdoms are united by the Targaryen conquest, nearly 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones, and 172 years before the birth of Daenerys Targaryen. Featuring an ensemble cast, the show portrays the events leading up to the decline of House Targaryen, a devastating war of succession known as the "Dance of the Dragons".
House of the Dragon received a straight-to-series order in October 2019, with casting beginning in July 2020 and principal photography starting in April 2021 in the United Kingdom. The series premiered on August 21, 2022, with the first season consisting of ten episodes. The series was renewed for a second season five days after its premiere. Sapochnik departed as showrunner after the first season, leaving Condal to serve as the sole showrunner for the second season. The second season premiered on June 16, 2024, with eight episodes. The series was renewed for a third season in June 2024, ahead of the second-season premiere.
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One of the major mistakes was skipping over basically all of Rhaenyra and Daemon’s six years at Dragonstone in season 1. With a full episode about their life there before Viserys died, we could’ve gotten to see why Rhae would choose some of those annoying men for her council. We could’ve seen their loyalty or their vital positions in Dragonstone. Instead we have like zero connection to anyone in the Black Council other than annoyance
Lmfao and how would this be interesting to watch for the audience? There's already too many characters we can't spend time with every minor ones
@@romainchambard4399 I just feel like the Green Council is more interesting cause we actually got to see them interact in season 1 and we understand some of the deeper and more long-standing power dynamics between them. While the Black Council kinda feels like a bunch of random people who are sexist in the show
This is very true.
It would have been better I season 1 had been two seasons with all the ground they had to cover.
@@alanpennieIt would have been better for all the Viserys stuff to have been in the background like Robert's Rebellion.
I'm gonna pretend like Ryan Condal never mentioned anything about the smallfolk loving Meylese and that they're simply justifiably scared about the head being paraded around because of their superstition and what the death of a dragon portends.
See this is how I interpreted it. A seemingly immortal god like beast is dead. The mystique of the Targaryen power is fracturing.
Oh yeah smallfolks loved the same Meylese who killed hundreds of them in Aegon's coronation, I guess they kinda forgot about what happened in season 1 episode 9 lol.
It's Dumb and Dumber allover again but nobody's gonna talk about it.
@@sdpearshaped831ah immortal gods you say, these smallfolks must be dumb or maybe Ryan and Co's are , they have no idea about Dorne killing Meraxes or how Quicksilver killed by Balerion or Balerion himself who died few years ago 😂
@@shubhojitpal5490Is this a joke. Meraxes died in dorne 120 years before this story. Quicksilver died 90 years before this story in the riverlands.
There are two things to bring out fron this:
1. The small folk of kingslanding has never seen a dead dragon before.
2. The average person in this day and age cannot remember what happened in their country 50 years ago.
You expect pesants who cannot read and write to have any memory of the past. Even if they have any memory is mostly just distorted stuff.
Just ask your parents about an important even that happened 30 years ago and then ask another adult about the same event. The answers they will give you will be vastly different
@@shubhojitpal5490 What the other guy said, even Balerion's death would have been a generation ago. Besides, it is one thing to intellectually know that something has happened/is possible and another to see it happen/its aftermath.
Ok but it’s kind of crazy that HOTD devotes so much screen to characters who mostly complain that they have nothing to do, are paralyzed by inaction, or no longer have any power. There’s no scheming or moves being made. We are ostensibly in a civil war but Rhaenyra, Daemon, Jace, Alicent, Aegon don’t do anything
Every Blacks small council war meeting is “your grace can we do literally anything? The greens are taking capturing and building up their host” and Rhaenyra says “ehhhh ummmm errrrr uhhhh why are you defying me by trying to fight this war we are fighting. Let’s keep doing nothing and hope things get better”
Preston rationalizing incest was not on my bingo card 🤣
i still cant believe people called episode 2 boring and asked for dave and dan to come back
People are idiots though
Normies especially
Episode 2 is the 2nd highest rated episode, ep4 only higher because it had a big battle and death. I don't know who's "people".
This can't be true please tell me you're making it up
Also I feel the show is getting boring, not because there’s not enough action scenes, but because there’s not enough character conflict. Emotions are toned down to almost nothing, characters don’t have strong convictions, and any big character moments are either off screen
.....episode 2 was literally what you're talking about lol
@@OfficialRedTeamReviewI’m talking about the entire show. From episode 1 to episode 5 and probably through the rest of the season. I loved season 1. I like characters just talking and having verbal arguments sober their ideals. The characters have lost their ambition, their motives, their reasons for doing what they’re doing.
The character also feel different from episode to episode because of that. You don’t really see a natural evolution of their character. They just behave like the plot needs them to.
@@OfficialRedTeamReviewwhat the hell did we saw the same episode? It was the most emotional one the most well acting and I don't see what part of the book happened of screen? We got the Cargyll ball the afternath of blood and cheese and Otto dismissal.
Episode 2 is my favorite episode, one of the main things I love about the whole series is dialogue, when it's good and engaging. People giving the defense that we only want action are cowards, I didn't even like the battle scenes that much, I like sharp dialogue and character conflict and agency, they have very little of that this season especially on team black. The great parts of this season, Aegon, Otto and Rhaenys are gone and the show suffers for it. It's like when GoT lost Tywin. I only hope whatever Daemon's going through pays off and we have more engaging character moments.
When I first heard that line "Men have weaknesses" I thought instantly he was referring to the blackwood men wanting to SA the bracken women
omg same i was thrown back by it a little, especially daemon's smirk
The thing that makes HotD season 2 boring is how little agency the main characters have... they are supposed to scheme and plot for power but again and again and again they are presented as totally oblivious to the world they inhabit and utterly without experience with the problems facing them. Rheanyra has lived her whole life in a male dominated society. It's the whole point of the show - why does it seem to keep surprising her and why can't she just be shown to have at least some idea of how to force and guile her will through anyway? Deamon is a total idiot and drugged out of his mind this season for some reason? Why is he dangerous again? Alicent's plot is better - she is actually supposed to be cut off from influence and agency, having to relearn to navigate within the power structures (hopefully), but her inagency put on top on the two other main characters' utter lack of self-determination and control... it just becomes too much.
It's just not very thrilling to watch.
So far Jace, Aemond and possibly Larys are the characters shown with the most motivation and power within the plot... all are somewhat minor characters...
On top of that the show suffers from a bit of GoT Season 5 unwards lack of internal logic and worse, just like its characters it keeps forgetting things it already established. It's a shame cause it's visually beautiful and very well acted.
Absolutely, it's no surprise that the best characters this season have been the ones making decisions - Aegon, Aemond, Jace, Cole. Then you have characters like Larys and Otto that are making decisions but don't work out, which is still interesting. Rhaenyra and Daemon get told repeatedly "don't do anything", complain about it but then do nothing. Rhaenyra says that she was taught about all the houses from Dorne to the Neck and not about war, so why does she not use some of that knowledge to help sway houses or plan strategy. If they have Rhaenyra and Daemon not doing much in the story, either time jump or focus on other characters.
what do you mean it's boring to see people sitting around a table deciding to not do anything?.
"Hey let's do something" "actually that would be a bad idea so let's not do that, anyway end the scene now"
I cant understand this podcast. Why are they speaking in French
IDK it is all Ελληνικά to me.
Best reason I can think of is English nobility like to speak French so why not 😂
what r u talking about i haven't heard anything but english
@@unclejesse215 I was high as a kite last night so I honestly can’t explain lol
There are few who can. The language is that of Mordor, which I will not utter here.
The fact that they both missed that Alys disappears behind Simon Strong in that exact scene is the funniest thing to me.
If she is a ghost we riot tho
I know right! It's so subtle that it could be an accident, but surely not, in this show...?
right? i think it's possible that Simon saw Daemon staring in that direction and Simon just questioningly looks over there to see what he's looking at. that's pretty much been his character this season, looking at Daemon like he's crazy. Surely, Simon should know that Harrenhal can mess with minds and understands.
Unless that scene is from Daemons perspective, and he's still tripping? @@jasmineolivine
I rewatched that scene 3 times before I put out my review. Alys does not disappear behind him. Simon is a big guy and the camera stays exactly on him to where she can hide behind him. If she was meant to "disappear" behind him the character, the camera would've moved in a way where the audience could see she is no longer behind him but he just stays in that one position.
It sounds like you watched another CZcamsr who said that and brought that info here. Not trying to spoil the story for you but that is not accurate.
The main reason why Aemma would have made much more sense in Daemon's fantasy is the fact that Daemon should have been salty about Viserys marrying Aemma. We forget that it's double arranged marriage and Viserys got half-Targaryen Aemma and birthed dragonriding Rhaenyra and Daemon got just another Vale lady in Rhea Royce. So it makes perfect sense even in book canon that Daemon thought about Aemma as his potential mate at one point.
These hallucinations are about the women in his life, it is disturbing to him precisely because he didnt know his mother until it was too late
We just gotta accept that in show canon, literally nobody died at the kool-aid dragon burst during the coronation.
Kool aid dragon burst lol
As far as HOTD Season 2 being boring compared to GOT, I think your comparison is unfair. I find HOTD is far more boring, but that's not because there's less action scenes (I think they probably have more actually), it's because the dialogue isn't as snappy or well written, and the main characters, Alicent and Rhaenyra (but especially Rhaenyra) aren't very interesting and are given little agency, and the plot doesn't flow as well, mostly because the source material is not structured like an actual story.
GOT catered to a male audience, I can promise you, as a woman, HOTD dialogue is far more interesting.
Basing Jeyne on Lysa would be D&D level of misunderstanding the material. Please don't.
Simon is just looking in the direction that Daemon is looking. He doesn’t actually see her.
I like the theory that it was the goat. Symond walked in on Daemon talking to a goat. And was just so confused and terrified that Daemon is straight up crazy that he just let it slide.
Haha I love it!
And then she vanishes entirely! She never emerges from the back of Simon.
That's what I'm thinking. If someone was talking and looking at nothing, a bystander will probably look in that direction and be confused
Bingo
That rant was hilarious Carmine 😂
If it was Aemma Arryn, then it would raise the question of whether or not Rhaenyra was Daemon’s daughter.
That’s what I thought the scene was hinting at. Much more layers if it was Aemma
Was my first thought too. She looked similiar to Aemma's actress.
that would actually be a great plot
Perhaps…. It’s up to us to decide…
Simon doesn't look at Alys, but at whatever Damon is looking at, or at what he FEELS passing by him. Pls note she vanishes behind him. Also the way she is captured especially in that scene with the back of her mane reminds me of a certain type of Japanese horror movies.
kinda crazy how badly they sidelined corlys this season i feel like ive barely seen him
He's the worst actor and character of the main cast. No presence, no depth, no development. Crazy that they could miscast and neglect such an important character. Everyone else is more interesting and more charismatic than he is. Even Baela acted him off the screen in this episode, as his wife did to him in every single scene they shared.
@@MarkHogan994yeah he has like two faces at best
The last episode of season 4 when Tryion and Jamie hug it out after the arrows to Tywin was the beginning of the end for the show called GOT.
All the fan service parts just kind of ring hollow when you just know that the massive fan favorite dragonseed is going to be cut
Is it bad that I like Eyrie in GOT Season 1 the best? The Byantine church style architecture is far different from the Neuschwanstein style descriptions/depictions in the books but it is neat. That massive bridge and holes in the mountain is unrealistic and somewhat stupid but at least it gives Eyrie the top of a mountain presence it has while the HOTD looks like it is nearly the same level as the gate without much verticality. Eyrie being incredibly high up is one of its most important features and GOT Season 1 expresses that by far the best.
preston: we will put up the images (refering to the moon doors)
procedes to not put up the images
Look in the description.
Who reads the description when I can just complain about something and then you tell me to read the description @PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
they were literally talking about the castle, not the moon doors.
Maybe also the back council also know Rhaenyra grow up. Perhaps they too still see her as a child, like in Daemons vision. She had been acting scared and they are losing it. But I agree, Daemon should be enough deterrent to be more respectful.
It's not impatience. Articles used to be written with an inverted pyramid so the most important information was at the top. The TLDR was the lede. Now every article needs two to three paragraphs of set-up, getting in the thought process of the person who wrote it, before the actual content is revealed.
I agree with Preston that season 4 was where the first big cracks started showing. I mean, that was when we got Karl the Fookin' Legend of Gin Alley. Come on.
12:12 I did not watch the behind the episode, but I interpreted this as foreshadowing the Shepard. That the small folk have been fed Targaryen propaganda for over a century that the dragons are gods that the Targaryens command. Matching with the Viserys line about controlling the dragons is a lie. I feel this scene was the small folk beginning to realise that dragons are not gods, they are animals like any other and they can be killed. There’s religious subtext here with the dragons as gods and the Shepard I feel, in a Georgesque sense of irony. The Shepard in this instance leading the small folk / the workers to destroy god (the dragons).
The faith and Maester conspiracy has been pushed back this season I feel?
HOTD has the same "Saturday morning cartoon" problem that later seasons of GOT experienced; a desire to have big spectacular moments but not incorporate the consequences into the story. A dragon killing hundreds of smallfolk by bursting through the floor in peacetime would be a major event in the books, in the show it's a throwaway event with no ramifications.
Also, would have been nice for Lady Jeyne to call out that Vhagar was the last force to penetrate the Eyrie, a very relevant fact for her conversation with Baela.
Jace probably came up with the dragonseeds idea because he knows that he himself is a bastard and yet he can ride a dragon. So other Targaryen bastards could do it as well!
You couldn't watch TV in tge mid-nities without seeing a Dan and Dave Olympic spot 😂
Cole can't be Jace's father in the show. She tried to have a legitimate kid with Laenor before moving on to Harwin. (Unless there was some fling with Cole again well after the wedding.)
I mean couldn’t they be referring to Luke?
I’d say Jaces haircut this season is the best evidence he’s harwins lol
I 100% was confused in the same way about Daemon's instructions to the Blackwood
I think it was his mother because he’s living off the fact that his mother thought he was the favorite. Which motivates him to want to rule. When he’s really this big f up. 36:11
He didn't know it was his mother. It's just Alys fckng with his head.
It really shouldn't happen but tbh I'm happy to drink the Amnesia water on episode 9. I would like to pretend that instead of koolaid man through the floor, Meleys left out the back entrance (which seems to be the actual take off zone) and instead land on the dome roof, casting a litteral shadow over the crowning. A loud roar of a threat. You can even keep Alicent's protective expressions thoughout the scene the exact same. And then have Meleys fly off with some minor rubble coming down from the ceiling (forsadowing [spoiler]).
Obviously I should not be doing this work, the writers should have thought of this or commited to Meleys the menace. But I want to enjoy the story and the only way I can do that is to pretend episode 9 happened differently. They're changing their mind and vision and they're heading down the road to Star Wars sequal trilogy which absolutely no one wants them to do.
The scene with damon and his mom makes sense to me specifically because whoever is sending the dreams doesn't actually know how to target him perfectly. The scenario is *generically* disturbing, because the point isn't to send information. It's to deal some psychological damage and make Damon make bad decisions.
Stags handing out stares is no way to operate a government
Carmine keeps saying they got a different writing staff but you can see Sarah Hess talk about how she was the one who came up with Melys busting through the floor and she wrote what everyone agrees is the best ep of this season
There's more than 1 writer, my dude.
@OfficialRedTeamReview just remembered that you were saying this in your ep 2 video but didn't post it at the time. Sometimes writers have off eps.
At first I thought it was Danny in the future for some reason lol
I am replying to Carmine's remark that fans are complaining that HOTD is boring. I am a 64-year-old baby boomer and a long time book reader, and I am finding HOTD a little boring. I enjoy characters talking in rooms much more than battles or action scenes. The problem with HOTD is that the writing is so inconsistent and bad, and the conversations are so unsatisfying. There are practically no conversations between the Greens at all. So many conversations that I had been looking forward to for two years, such as Aemond returning from Storm's End, never happened at all. All of my favorite moments from Fire and Blood were written badly or left out. I have no idea how Gen Z processes movies or television, and I don't want to know.
The greens are talking all the time. We have countless scenes of green council, alicent and aegon, alicent and Otto, alicent and cole
It's crazy to me Aegon hasn't spoken a single word to Rhaenyra or the other way around. Rhaenyra complained that it was unthinkable that she'd want to harm Helaena. How am I supposed to know that, they have never spoken to each other.
@@romainchambard4399 while I certainly agree we see a lot of the "main characters" (Alicent, Otto, Cole, Aegon, & Aemond), we see almost nothing of the actual motivating beliefs and opinions of the *other* Green supporters, like Jason Lannister or Ironrod... and as the original commenter pointed out, there are some very significant emotional moments that the books don't talk about which the show could have expanded on -- how does Aemond tell the other Greens about what happened at Storm's End? Does he lie, and say there was an honorable battle? Does he have an emotional breakdown and tell his mom he murdered his nephew? Stuff like that COULD be shown but isn't
@@JimRFF motivations? They think the rightful heir must be a man and not a woman. That is already enough to know about very minors characters. For aemond it would be interesting for book readers but not for the audience since it would only repeat what we already know and saw. We know how Otto alicent ( they are hungry) and aemond feels about that ( aemond confession to the prostitute) . And there is gonna be an other discussion between alicent and aemond in the next episode.
@@JimRFF This was a scene they really should have included in ep.1. I was looking forward to Otto's great line to Aemond: "I know you only have one eye, but how could you be so blind?" In killing Luke, Aemond has become a Kinslayer, his reputation is not only destroyed, but for someone as religious as Alicent, it means he will spend eternity in the lowest circle of hell. For a religious person, this is an awful fate, from which there is no coming back. It wouldn't just be the political ramifications that would bother Alicent, or her son acting badly, but Aemond would be eternally damned. Not once this season have I heard Aemond called a kinslayer.
Yes boys. Can’t wait to listen to this
I actually do think there’s some great merit to people calling house of the Dragon boring. It’s not because of a lack of action in non-action Episodes. It’s because nothing else really replaces it. Some of the best moments of Got were characters simply having conversations with each other like you said. the Varys and little finger “chaos is a ladder” scene or the Tyrion and Varys “ even a small man can cast a large shadow” scene
But, nothing like that exists in hotd. None of the characters really embody any ideas bigger than simple archetypes. Rhaenyra for example is just “ woman good, men bad” she wants piece and is overbearingly pacifistic because of it. She’s a virtue, signaling feminist, character. And currently, I can’t say anything much else about her. She gets less complex as each episode goes on. Though I do hope that changes. But five episodes in and still nothing? That’s rough.
Way to have me screaming "MAISON! MAISON DU DRAGON!" at my phone for the first minute of this podcast 😂
Sometimes Preston reminds me he did not study history. The part about the small folk seeing the Dragons head as a omen is totally on base with medieval society, they were all hella superstitious and they believed these creatures to be invincible. They have only known Balerion to die of old age, right? Just took me out of the review a little bit.
Ok if you study history so well, tell me in what source it says, how medieval smallfolk reacted to a dead dragon lmao
I found your channel during the first season of GOT and have pretty much enjoyed every episode since. Your sense of humor had me at first but your deep insight and thoughtful process has kept me back time and again. Man I hope you never change Preston. 👍
Thanks for the links to the Eyrie pics! Adds to the experience.
House Piper, huh? I missed that.
Melony Piper was a favorite of the young Princess Rhaena Targaryen. Melony was killed in the Battle Beneath the Gods Eye in 43 AC. Rhaena and her dragon, Dreamfyre, briefly stayed at Pinkmaiden with the Pipers in 51 AC.
Melisandre also remembers being called Melony when she was being sold in Asshai with lot 7.
I bet you have a video about that somewhere. ;)
Sorry I missed your livestream fellows.
32:49 wam-bam, thank you, ma'am
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I too thought it was gonna be Aemma Arryn. From a story perspective it makes so much more sense for Daemon
You guys thinking a group of medieval men being condescending to a woman being less believable than someone not basing their decisions on portents is hilarious.
Did anyone else not get how Daemon brought the Brackens to heel? If they didn't care about him incinerating him with their dragon why would they care about the blackwood's pillaging their lands and small folk wasn't that pretty standard in this kind of warfare anyway?
What I got from it is that holy places were being targeted and women and children were taken hostage. So if they wanted to keep their septs safe and their wives and children alive they had to submit.
They cared about being incinerated, they just had the cajones to call Daemon's bluff. Their lands being pillaged is on the other hand very real.
I find it a bit odd how little Dialogue Aemond has had so far this season. The best scene was when he was in the brothel with his whore laying naked in her arms; the rest has been battle planning dialogue with Cole and the small council. The Throne room scene with Haelena was a great opportunity to give us an insight into his mind and they just cut away...hopefully this next episode gives us a great scene with him and Alicent because they're missing a chance to develop his character.
It took them like a month to march to Rook's Rest. Why did it feel like it only took like 10 minutes for them to get back? With a severely injured Aegon at that.
They to the roundabout way to get more men. They didn't go straight to rooks rest
@@whitneydavis5196 still very fast. Within a day? No way that dragon is still smoking and Aegon goes untreated. They definitely made it seem like they got to KL within 24 hours after the battle. Less even.
@@BodharasThe dragon wasn't smoking. Those were incense burners as you can see the smoke rise from specific spots, none of them on the dragon head but rather the cart. Likely to keep away the smell of rot.
Did Cole forget about the Hart or does he ignore it cause he hates her for rejecting him? He is still so pressed about it after all these years, smh. This episode seemed so much slower. I wonder if the pacing is off because they're trying to push that story lines to happen later in S3?
Well that's what Preston means when he says they should lampshade it in a later episode.
Wow... nver thought carmine is a boomer gatekeeper lol. Single handedly deciding who is a real fan and who is not.
The convos between littlefinger and varys are what made me love GOT
You guys are great! (:
The show is a bit boring because the blacks aren't doing anything at the moment. My favorite character is Daemon but he is in the plot waiting room. Just a repeat of the same scene over and over. Rhaenyra is also just waiting for plot to happen to do something. Her meeting with Alicent was a waste of screentime and totally illogical. Only jace is doing work rn
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did you guys notice syrax roaring in the background everytime rhaenyra got angry?
Alys disappeared behind Simon and I can't unsee that
I rewatched that scene 3 times before I put out my review. Alys does not disappear behind him. Simon is a big guy and the camera stays exactly on him to where she can hide behind him. If she was meant to "disappear" behind him the character, the camera would've moved in a way where the audience could see she is no longer behind him but he just stays in that one position.
It sounds like you watched another CZcamsr who said that and brought that info here. Not trying to spoil the story for you but that is not accurate.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview interesting 🤨 I'll have to look for that!
I find the dialog scenes in the ealry GoT Seasons a lot more intresting, than the dialog scenes in HotD. (Exceptions are the Otto Hightower scenes)
To me it doesn't seem like Simon actually looks at Alys in that scene. It looks more like he saw Daemon looking at something & turned yo see what it was but nothing was there, so he just started saying what he had to say
The only time anyone else definitely looks at her is the first time we see her when Daemon initially takes the castle. The serving man closest to her looks up for half a second and then looks back at the ground, it could be explained away as a mistake, but idk
The weirdest thing is when she seems to disappear right behind Simon
idk it seems too intentional of a turn in her direction for Simon to just be looking at something Daemon was looking at. it felt more than just a glance that you would do if nothing was there. then the camera cuts to Daemon only a few seconds after where there was enough time for her to have walked away behind Simon after being hidden from view by him. idk, could just be a barn owl flying around
@@b1bbscraz3y idk maybe, I can see it working both ways
But the whole Daemon Alys thing makes no sense to me in general. Why put up with her shit? Why not call her out or at least question her on the visions & loss of time, especially since all that got worse after he drank the weirwood paste or whatever?
sacre bleu where is me mama?
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@@AegonNunya on this channel Daemon Targaryen is a Westerosi hero. End of discussion!!!!!
@@ashleyg2610 I gotta take action on this
La maison du dragon ( in french) i'm a francophone so if you ever need some translation don't hesitate♡
Why does everyone think Alys is invisible to everyone but Daemon? That’s a stupid idea for the show to do. She is an important character to Aemond later. She is real. Not invisible. 🤦♀️
Then again the show has made a lot of stupid decisions. So maybe yall are right and she is visible to Daemon only. 🤷🏼♀️
Exactly
The Eyrie from Season 4 is straight up Solitude from Skyrim.
About Simon Strong looking at Alys, I understood it as Simon looking to the direction where Daemon is looking and talking. I feel like his expression said “Who the hell are you talking to over there”
I like season 1 eyrie the most i think
I get you need to comment on comments(weird saying that ) but I love you guys just vibing and leave it till the end to for lack of a better phrase clear out
Lord Strong could’ve been hearing Daemon talking in the room and was looking to see who he was talking to but wasn’t actually looking at Alys
Damn I forgot about the White Hart thing!!!
It's such a weird rant by carmine about people calling the season 2 of hotd boring. Even though talking is what makes most of the moments most memorable doesn't mean every talking scene have to he interesting. There are plenty of talking scenes in late GoT seasons, which are really bad. The talking doesnt make it boring or interesting, its the premise, context and characters that make even the simple conversation memorable. Just compare the black council scenes with council scenes and GoT and you will see such a huge difference. There have already been a few errors in HoTd and we are only on season 2. So i totally understand the concern people have and find the repetitions boring. Also you cant dismiss opinion of people by calling them zoomers who can't get off their phone while ranting that they shouldn't dismiss your opinions. Very weird
the amount of dialogue isnt bad, the dialogue itself is bad.
there has never be a good asoiaf product with writers who cant copy and paste dialogue from the books
isn't elinda massey a noblewoman why is she just a servant
i thought they corrected chateau to maison, but turns out i just had a drink made by alys rivers
🤣🤣Love the Pokemon analogy!!!! 🤣🤣
Did no one notice that Baela got her own house words wrong in this episode? She said “I’m Blood and Fire.” House Targaryen words are “Fire and Blood.”
Maybe she means that she is actually the mysterious blood soaked tome that goes by the same name.
in dany ii storm of swords this line is also used when she thinks about house targaryen's words
@@petemagyar1445 So now Tyland is a horse, Criston is a bed and Baela is a book? This show keeps on surprizing me...
i am sure that Daemon is not rebuilding Harrenhal, the good weather doesn't fit. Where would Daemon get the money/resources for it. Simon has nothing and Daemon would have gone back to Dragonstone for it.
I think the plot twist with Daemon is that he is accepting that he cant even trust himself as Rhaenyra said earlier and decides to follow her.
for the algorithm
Guys... If smallfolk think that dragons are gods or sacral beast then they cannot be angry at them, they just fear them just like you are not angry at storm, you know that this is powerfull force of nature or god and you accept your misery. For me this episode actually fixed ep. 9 from first season. If smallfolk see dragons as force of god or nature then they simply cannot be mad that dragon killed some of them because they understand, believe that dragons are something more.
Season 4 Eyrie is just Etretat in France lol
Would have been funny if Daemon was trying to send the Blackwood to seduce the Bracken, but the Blackwood didn't catch his innuendo at all. And this is just a big misunderstanding X'D
Yooo I’m early I love you guys I’ve been watching for years
Preston : Red Team Review as Alt Shift X : Glidus
Prove me wrong.
I can’t be the first person to have thought this
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Carmine needs Preston more than Glidus needs ASX
@@oculargoose7361 Not really. Carmine does fairly well when he decides to not do a podcast and go solo which I wish he'd do more of
@@oculargoose7361 im pretty sure none of those people need each other. alt and glidus are successful on their own and so are presty and carm. they all really don't need each other but im glad they collab anyway
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Two - handed podcasts seem to be the rule.
It's easier when you have someone else to play off.
The white hart actually wanted Criston to be the rightful king. Tragic misunderstanding 😔
agreed
I was of the opinion that Simon looks to see who daemon is talking to then Alyse disappeared. Watch again. She never walks out the door just vanished behind Simon.I also dont think anything thats happening in the Harrenhall storyline is actually real. I think when broom arrives hes going to find no repairs being done and that daemon has been asleep the entire time. Also daemon never talks to Simon about Alyse in my copy.
I fell in love with GOT in the episode in which Tyrion gets knocked out just at the beggining of the battle for which he hired the mountain clans. We hadn't yet seen a battle and, just when we were about to see it, we just go to black and cut right to the aftermath and the consequences of said battle.
That's when I understood that GOT was a completely different fantasy fiction and, although at that point of the series there were probably budget issues involved, I was just fascinated with how that played with our expectations and how well it defined the show. It isn't about dragons and battles, it's about its causes, its consequences and the effects they have on the characters.
So, yeah... I'm really liking this season. Specially episode 2, which was brilliant. They could do a whole season of indoor drama and I'd be more than happy.
Agree re Misaria. Those convos kill me. More boring than real life therapy, the lines pack almost no punch, and it seems like it’s for exposition in how Rhaynera is feeling, which we already knew
Peston plz where's the hotd watch episode. I need to hear that wear a cloak track.
Cole said that "Sunfyre was long in the dying" - I interpret that sentence in him saying that Sunfyre died? That is a bit of change of true.
It means that Sunfyre was left grievously wounded and _possibly_ in the process dying. He may/will just recover mutilated...
Yeah but the key word is "was", as in past tense. This is what confused me.
I sure hope they don't change that part of the story by making Sunfire be dead.
@@thomnelligan247 Ah, I see - I thought that is a statement on "last I saw him", which would be past tense. But I see now that this is a bit ambiguous...
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It's certainly implied that Sunfire is dead.
Of course Ser Crispy may be lying for some reason.
The Frey Lady is Forrest Frey’s wife, Serena Frey. She’s not Sabitha Frey
In the books Lord Forrest's wife is Sabitha Frey.
@@gokbay3057 on the character call sheet she’s listed as Serena Frey
@@gokbay3057 the character is listed as Serena Frey in the script, sadly not Sabitha
this podcast is a good add for transformers 😆
Cole's (and the realm's) reaction to being in a Dragon War reminds me a bit of Western Veterans volunteering to fight in Ukraine, people who've done counterinsurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan for years seeing just how intense a peer-on-peer war is and just breaking down.
The dragon's head is a bad omen for the smallfolk, simply because one of the biggest sins is that of kinslaying. It's a sign of kin killing kin and is seen as accursed in the eyes of the gods.
Castles, castles, they've got castles.
I do remember GoT season 2 did seem a bit scattered and directionless without Ned to anchor the story.
I think newer fans found Game of Thrones less boring because they can stream all the episodes and if one was boring they'd go onto the new one where because HOTD season 2 is releasing weekly it feels like it's slower
The giggles at 48:08 😂😂😂😂
I agree with carmine that this was a book fan episode. They mention ashai, Yi Ti, crackclaw point and there's foreshadowing for the hour of the wolf. And I can't wait for the shade of the lamp to bring up the white hart from season one and criston Cole lol
I feel like Daemon-Alys mirror Rhaegar-Lyanna duo, (valyrian+first men descent and in harrenhall) with more realistic personalities.
I kinda think you two are being a bit pretentious here. People calling House of the Dragon season 2 boring probably loved season 2 of Game of Thrones. It was perfect TV. To compare them like they are the same thing is so dumb.
I haven't watched season 2 of Game of Thrones in years, but I still remember so much of it. Tyrion's rise to power in King's Landing, Arya traveling with Yoren and later getting captured, Jon and Ygritte and all their chemistry. Theon going back home and taking Winterfell, Renly and Stannis. They had very little screen time but were still memorable. "You should kneel before your brother, he is lord's chosen, born amidst salt and smoke." Renly: born amidst salt and smoke? Is he a ham?" compare that to HOTD season 2 and it's night and day.
Just to see where the other side is coming from, I think it's less about "boo, I don't like people talking. Where are my nudity and dragons?" and more about "these characters aren't as engaging, everyone is awful and paralyzed by inaction. This is a bit boring". Maybe people would put down their phones if the characters on screen had an ounce of charisma like the ones in Game of Thrones. My mini rant over. I still like the show but I do see were people are coming from.
Yeah I've noticed a lot of people defending HotD just make disengous arguments and don't argue in good faith, it's ok if you like the show in spite of the flaws but retroactively pretending like season 2 of GoT was just as boring or the dialogue is just as engaging, is just outright bad faith argumentation.
Thinking Daemon was implying something romantic to the Blackwood makes sense imo. I didn't take it in the direction Preston did lol, but I did think he was implying the Blackwood married into a Bracken family or something. It didn't seem like Daemon gave him leave to go raid the countryside, but maybe the writers meant for it to go beyond what Daemon wanted like with Blood and Cheese