Which big travel 2021 ebike? - Your Questions Answered
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- 2021 Specialized Kenevo vs 2021 Focus Sam2, ebike weight limits for heavier riders and more questions answered in this video.
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The last topic about the drive train hits the nail. I think 8 to 10 gears could be a good range to work with. Also this could be used to build more durable cassettes an chains.
Also some kind of smart gear change with a perfect timing synced to the motor. That would be awesome.
Sram EX1 - 8 speed, perfect on my Mondraker crafty....
Just FYI, you can run a Kenevo Expert as a mullet. The Boxxer takes a 29er front and lets you drop the forks through the triple clamps 10mm to keep the geo. Marshall Mullen runs his as a mullet. 🙂
Yes but he runs Fox 40 a much better fork. As for Mullet because the e-bike destroys rear tyres I will stick to 27.5 so I can swap them round.
Running a 170mm ZEB Mullet Kenevo Comp and it's awesome.
I have now modifided my twin crown boxxer forks to 200mm and the bottoming has stopped being so harsh.
Got the kenevo comp 2021 it's an absolute beast of a bike, found your forum kenevo thread for ideas on upgradings.
Keep the content coming Rob 🏴✌🏻
Awesome, awesome bike! one of the best of them all!
Rob your right about the bosh purion display fitted to many ebikes, it’s too big, and usually placed in the most ridiculous place as I found out after my first crash. Smashed it! Could do with a session on replacing one please.
Thank you for this video.
I would like to buy the Focus SAM2 but apparently we have to wait till May 2021... and I want to ride it now!
Thanks Rob and liking the new studio set. In my humble opinion. The extra gears 12 speed won’t make much weight difference for an ebike. Having the extra bigger gear will allow the rider rather then the motor to do the much steeper longer climbs consuming less battery power. A big long days ride even a 700Wh battery on a Specilized Levo will run out.
In summary 2 benefits, easier leg power on very steep long climbs and battery conservation.
Nice video! 😃 however, I would definitely look into the new Scott ransom eride if you’re considering buying a super enduro bike. The new Scott has 180/180 mm travel, good spec and awesome geometri and much more. It looks really Nice too!
What a cool idea about emtb specific drivetrains.. I reckon it'll deffo become a thing as emtbs gain even more popularity 👍👍
I have the Mondraker Crafty XR with Ohlins suspension... It's incredible. Looking forward for your review 😁
Great production value. Well done.
Rob thx for highlighting the MAX system bike limitations, the manufacturers do not speak about this... It was very tough for me to select a bike. I am a heavyweight I selected a Merida E-one 60 up to 150kg. I love it. I was hesitating between Cannondale and Merida. Since I bought the bike I lost 20kg :) so spread the word on the Max system weight BS.
Brilliant vid Rob....as always . Karim was absolutely right about the gearing on EBikes . I’ve got a Levo and I’ve often thought that I didn’t need as many cogs on the cassette . However ....I did recently try out an SL.....and I definitely needed all the cogs on that cassette lol 😂 . The SL wasn’t for me ......if I’d never owned an EBike...then maybe....but once you’ve had a taste of those 90NM on the Full Fat Levo.....it’s hard to forget
HI Rob, spot on. I have owned a Cube with EX8 & now XT12 , 8 is not enough for tough trails & 12 the ratios are to close . A 10 would be perfect.
Very helpful video. Welcome views on Battery life between the Shimano and the Bosch. Thanks
Iain
great vid and something I learned the expensive way. My $5500 carbon framed low spec bike required full brake and rotor upgrade after a run down a wet mountain. Compared to the alps this is a hill. My expensive bike is a much heavier joy to ride now but still with a few things that I can live with but know many of the other brands have bettered. 50 and feeling useless, unable to keep up with younger legs it's new bike time and e-bikes are the way. Lesson learned, the Levo is to me, my $5500 carbon frame, modified and this time it's alloy with brakes, rotors etc that simply failed on a much lighter bike with a big heavy motor, not without fault, and an asking price of over $10,000 with only 29" wheels, no flip chip, 3 pawl low engagement hub, 12 speed cassette, big chain ring, smaller cranks... similar expensive problems at a higher expense to me. The great news is the amount of competition on offer shows that some are rider focussed offering reliable, end to end value befitting the high price and pedals and saddle are all I need.
Great talk! I like Specialized a lot, but I too prefer the mullet setup, especially on bikes like these where you probably want to roll over stuff and lean backwards a lot at the same time.
Maybe we will see some Mullet bikes in the future from the big S
@@RobRidesEMTB Got to test the Status (non-ebike though) this weekend and that is actually a mullet from the big S.
Great informative video Rob. Cheers
In Australia the 25KMh speed limit negates the need for so many gears. You want down low IMO but don't need the higher end gears
Thx Rob for this video! Love it! ;)
My reserved sam2 has been bumped back by Rutland cycling from December to February. I’ve asked if there’s a reason but no joy. Ive heard rumours it’s a shimano component supply issue. I’ve emailed focus to ask if there’s issues but nothing back yet. Be aware, if you want one you’ll have a long wait. New orders now are quoting July 2021!!!
I would love to see some norco range vlt review. I think it’s in the same category as the 2020 kenevo.Thanks for the reviews Rob
Have tried to get one a few times but hard in the U.K. as there are few dealers / distributors:-(
Rob Rides EMTB Sight VLT 29er please! 😎
Thats was the same question i was going to post 😅 i have the range c3, its the cheapest. For 5k € you can get carbon fiber frame 180mm front 170mm rear, 63 dregree head tube and 70 ish seat tube angle. Lot of bike and spec for less money than rest
So many bike choices for 2021. I think I’ve settled for a Commencal Meta Power SX 27 Race. Sam2 is a close second but I don’t want another 29er and don’t want to spend 6k on a bike and then more money to buy a 27.5 rear for it!
perfect video ! you helped me with buying my new ebike. Mondraker crafty RR :)
I have the 2020 specialized kenovo expert and this bike is great but if you buy a e-bike make sure it is near the bike shop as they break a lot. I am waiting for wheels as the so called DH rims ain't up to it as one rim cracking at the spokes and now the hub has failed also on my 3rd free hub. 2nd seat post,2nd motor, 6th cassette,2nd derailleur , 4 coil shock failures which I have to send to Silverfish in Newport and the fox shock keeps blowing the cast shock body as just posted this morning after lots of emails. The Boxer forks have had HSC/LSC damping internals but still have metal to metal contact when bottoming unless 125psi so low speed feel is lost even with 6 spacers. £6999 is to expensive and the bike is built down to a price. Chris at Berkshire Bikes has been helpful so that's is a plus but as in my first line buy near so when something brakes and it will it can be fixed.
Studio looks so cool rob. Congrats. Fancy coming over to my house and decorating? Keep up the good work. Kevin
😂😂 it looks OK from this angle the rest looks like a dump 🤦♂️😭😂
The bosch system may not be aswell integrated in your opinion Rob. However its way more reliable I know a guy that had a turbo levo and yes the warranty is great from specialized, but it was in the workshop so frequently he went back to Mannies!!
I agree about the ebike specific drive trains as less gears would mean wider stronger longer lasting chains and I'm sure a 10spd 10 to 42 would be ample but cassettes do not add to rotational weight, tyres, tubes and rims do of course 👍
Really well done Rob, and the studio looks sweet! Thanks for all your input.
Hey Rob Rides Emtb! Regarding the folks who want less speeds on the rear cassette they my want to switch the shifter if it is an ebike specific single shift limited unit! To prevent riders from shifting multiple gears under maximum load conditions and breaking the chain some ebikes come with shifters that only change one gear at a time instead of 3 for 4 in one lever press. Maybe that is the issue with the rider on the Norco sight vlt! I like the 11 speed cassette on my ebike and would be less satisfied with the larger ratio change that comes from fewer rear cogs! Ride ride ride!
I've been saying it ever since I demoed my first eMTB ( It was a 2018 Levo) e bikes need e bike specific drivetrains. For the reasons Kareem stated and because of all the additional torque that is put on the system. The newer freehub standards XD driver and microspline are not as long as the most recent HG they are more stubby which is a good thing for all the torque produced by the motor. I think microspline should be the freehub body of choice as the short and stubby shape and the many many small splines will last longer than the most recent HG freehub bodies then it would need a 9t-46t 10 speed cassette with a 32t chainring or an 11t-50t 10 speed cassette with a 36t chainring
This answer has never been easier.
The one you can get your hands on
Great answers rob ,
I've bought the 2021 Mondraker Crafty R and I'm absolutly stoked. So good. Came from a 2019 Canyon Spectral ON and the Mondraker is so much better.
Great bike!
I have not ride a full power e-bike, but the classic downhill 10 speed look the way to go, 10 speed road cassete from shimano (Tiagra CS-HG500-10), and Saint
derailleur for durability.
First time i like the e-bikes was when i see the more "downhill" oriented, like the Haibike XDURO Dwnhll, but the reviews stated a litle bit of lack in power, but that was like 4-5 year ago, and as motor and battery technologies improve, i think thats the way to go.
In relation to 8, 10 & 12 speed. It's all about sales volume. The price was so high they never sold many EX 8 speed which is why it got scrapped. The issue I have with 12 speed is not the number of gears or the weight as 200g savings on a 23KG bike is not really a big deal. The issue is paying £200 for a casette and chain. I get through 3 sets a year on my ebike.
I'm so glad I'm stuck with 2 x 10. I bought two 10 speed 11-42 cassettes a while back for £30 and a chain for £25.
Hopefully selling more 12 speed will bring the price down but if I was forced to go single ring on an ebike, I'd be changing to a 10 speed 11-42 from the start, switching to a 38 tooth chainring and selling my 12 speed cassette, deraileur and shifter.
Hey Rob re the 150kg tsw I’m interested to know if the YT Decoy fits that category or not (doesn’t give that on the web site that i can see), also wondering if the Commencal bikes fit that category or not?
The 2021 2.1 Rx Trail Brose motor is the exact same as 2020 & 2019 correct??
What we need is the Revonte style automatic transmission and motor system refined for dual suspension Emtbs .All the motor manufactures are currently working on them.Simply select your desired cadence and go for it or set your own virtual ratios. I've got 3 EMtbs one with 14speed Rohloff hub really good but I am not buying another Emtb until I can get a mid mounted auto combined motor and gearbox. Derailleur is efficient but hopelessly vulnerable in the rocks and gluey mud. E=MTB²
They’re probably working on that very thing just now and may even have prototypes but is the world ready for this yet. It will take a lot of time and money to develop and manufacturers will want a return on that investment. It’s not just the public that maybe put off by a emtb that seems more like a motorbike but also the law makers who may take a dim view. I think Ebikes will need to be much more common place before we see any such development released and accepted.
First bikes from Tunturi with Revonte motors are coming at early 2021. First model will be HT mtb. Hope that there will be full suspension models in near future. I hope that Tunturi would do bike with modern geometry but I kind of don't believe it as it's a bit more traditional bike company. Pole bicycles should team up with Revonte to make an exceptional eMTB.
What do you think guys about those two bikes compare to Commencal Meta Power SX 27?
Rob have you ever ridden the Cannondale Motera SE with the boxer forks Bosh Motor I think 160 travel. Would love to here what you think.
I took the 12 speed off and put 10 speed on my Ebike no problem . 10 is a sweet spot for Ebikes. What do you think of brose 4 year warranty should The others follow .
The future of e-bikes is gearbox/belt drive. Smooth, quiet, mud-proof, low maintenance, and can be built to handle the extra power.
Love the sound of it, but from what I've seen the gearbox just patented by Shimano looks bulky and heavy. Interesting times ahead though.
@@karimayoubi74 They are heavy and slightly less efficient...which is a big deal on a normal bike, but worth the tradeoff on an ebike.
True. Waiting for Tunturi to announce first model that uses Revonte motor. Read that first model will be HT mtb. Production should start at Jan 2021 as there has been difficulties to get some parts because of Covid.
Theres already the Nicolai G1 EBOXX. They use a Rohloff speedhub with belt.
or just get an e MX motorbike & dont bother with an overpriced ebike !
YES Karim is so right!
Rod the Cannondale moterra is granded to up 150kg. You should test it in the futur.
Have you ever travelled abroad with an EMTB. Say on a plane? Do planes allow eMTB in a cycle bag in the hold
10-42 or 11-42 with a 34 front.
I have the latter on mine I can climb up a wall with that. Any bigger and I would be wheeling all the time on climbs.
Hi Rob . I'm wanting to put a duel front fork on my voodoo ebop. I want at least 180mm travel. Please can you help
👍👍
Kind regards
Monty
Hey just wondering on opinions thinking of getting a focus sam2 and putting a 27.5 on the back or a commencal meta power sx and putting a 170mm 38 with a 29 on the front. Both are going to cost about the same just wondering which bike is better? Ride a lot of dh and a fair amount of xc terrain??
Worth mentioning the (well documented) reliability and waterproofing issues with the Kenevo, along with the slightly naff spec for the price (e.g. own brand wheels, low end drivetrain). Not really a viable purchase unless you're a fully paid up specialized fanboy IMO
So true. Specialized has such bad price/quality ratio
Did you ever get around to the Orbea FS Wild review?
I met a guy on a ride who has one and I took a spin. WOW!
JBone XC the delivery was not until may next year for a custom one ridiculous
I have a Kelevo - 170mm upfront with a coil at the back 😄
Lucky Bastard
As far as too many gears check out microshift advent X. A 10 speed groupset for 167.00 and super good reviews from expert riders and lighter that sram gx and shimano xt.
Hey Rob, what do you think about the Ghost Hybride ASX 6.7?
Rob - which sub £5.5k eeb would you pick between the Vitus e-Sommet VRX and the Focus Sam2 9.8?
Alot of reliability issues with sram 8 speed. My levo goes to 11, pretty close to 10. I would love to see a 6,7,8 speed. Get a shorter Derailer out of the way. I never use the smaller higher gears on cassette so get rid of them and spacen out lower larger rings more accordingly. That's how I would like it , but I usually get laughed at.
12 speeds are too much....I agree, but if .you run out of battery you can still climb easily with a 52t ....I think.
I would love to see a gearbox+motor combination. Only sensible way to go for an EMTB. Have you any insights Rob, if this might come in the future?
There will be at least Revonte at 2021, prehaps others. I believe that Revonte will be success.
Hey Rob, I'm considering buying Focus sam2 6.9, also looking at SantaC Bullit XT coil, its rly worth extra 3k eu for the Bullit? Also, I think Bosch is better motor over all. Im 110kg and 203cm, what other long travel ebikes you would recommend? EP8 rattle sound its rly much worst then Bosch? Thanks
Efficiency and strength lies on the 12speed systems, the 12 speed chain has greater flex than 8 speed ones so will be more suited to 1x drive chains if weight savings you could go down to 10-45
Can you make a Bike with hub and mid-drive and front motor?
I bought the Sam 2 it's amazing as a trail bike or downhill bike.
Best all rounder
The money I saved I bought some new riding gear a 38mm rise bars and converted it to a mullet.
For $1000
As a sidenote to the gears question. More gears will result in the need for thinner cogs and chains. That will mean a shorter lifecycle on the gears and chain since the added power of the motor already increase the wear and tear. A 10 speed casette have a thicker and more durable chain than a 12 speed one. I would think, from a durability-point of view, 9 gears would be optimal. These chains are even more tough.
Wrong wrong wrong!!
The side of the chain is not what stretches, it’s the pins deforming. 12sp pins are shorter than 9sp pins thus the width overall is thinner. Because the pins are shorter, 12sp pins are harder to deform than longer 9sp pins thus have better longevity. Don’t believe? Try bending a 4” long pencil and a 8” long pencil and tell me which bends easier. Still don’t buy it? Go look at the physical test data.
cyclingtips.com/2019/12/the-best-bicycle-chain-durability-and-efficiency-tested/
I’ve changed my 12 speed to 10 speed on my fs wild 46 tooth v 50 tooth
I owned a mondraker e crafty over 4 years ago and changed that to a 10 speed from a 11 speed
Cheaper for chains and chain rings and much better for riding experience
I just sold my 2020 Kenevo and got a 2022 SM² 6.9 . Mainly because I wanted to go back to 29er wheels.
Which MOTOR is the MOST reliable which lasts the longest?
Santa Cruz 29 er E Bike ? will it come ?
Sram ex8 for me, from start - even without ever trying it - was not usable just on the cassete price alone. More than 400€ for a cassete that normally wears and has to be replaced? XT 12sp cassete is 1/4 the price of that.
Have you done a trek rail review??
Why do you name the fork types by clamp count? And even then the number of clamps is wrong.
I normally know it as dual/double and single crown forks. But even when you name it by clamps, doesnt dual crown forks have 4 clamps and single crown mostly 0 because the stanchions are part of the crown?
i have 3 speed nexum and find that is perfect for my e bike
Why don't you run a smaller front sprocket if you are changing gears too much?
More podcasts please.
What a great vid, would you know what the TSW of the sam² is? I'm 6'3 and around 105kg and that bike is a good possibility for me next year
E-mountain bike did a review and quoted TSW at 120kg so max rider weight 95kg
@@johndixon606 that's out of the running for me then
Praise the Lord and praise the bike pilot back packer ride on brother
That focus is awesome but for 6300 euros it's way out of my price range
Jam ON !
Your suggestions for 150kg weight bike referenced Haibike but wasn't considered when you actually came to the bikes, how come?
Good point. I couldn’t find one that fit the requirements from Haibike 👍
@@RobRidesEMTB I thought the whole Haibike range were rated for 150kg
Haibike Systemweight 120 kg!
@@heman7112 guess I'm losing weight then
Why can’t they fix the motor rattle in the NEW 4th Gen Bosch?
It might rattle but it doesn't break like the Brose!
@8:37 *BACKSIDE BUZZ!*
If I may ask, what is your weight Rob? I am also puzzled with the permitted bike weights as well, especially with bikes up to 120 kg permitted weight.I am 87 kilos without clothes on.
Good job!
Sure - I'm around 85 KG and until recently never even gave a thought about ebike maximum weights (i didnt even realise it existed!)
Rob Rides EMTB Thank you very much Rob, I appreciate it!
What do you think of the CUBE STEREO HYBRID 160 HPC TM 625 27.5 in comparison? Even cheaper but still a great kit, right?
I want this answered too (sort of). I'm looking at the 2021 140 action team - wish it had the 38 like the 160 action team. @Rob - can you do a decent review of these bikes please? The Kenevo and Focus both seem too heavy. I rode a Kenevo this year and it felt super heavy. I'm 75kgs (~11.7 stone) at 175cm (5'9'').
Still got the magnet in the spokes. Kinda put me off.
@@craponlycomesoutadogsarse1731 are you sure?? Just looked a the cube.eu official pics, not seeing a magnet in the spokes.
Also, one massive oversight on the Focus is lack of motor protection.
I can see it on the 2020 on CZcams but not on the 2021.
30 secs in but I can tell you now. Kenevo hands down 😂
😂😂
Getting 40s and a 29er on the front 👌
Nice. That’ll be brutal!
Will be on the channel soon lol.
@@zed5129 they all break and when that happens you still want a specialized the warranty is 2nd to none
I wont be buying any of the euro spect bikes you represent Rob, i’m looking for more power. Like the type of bike luna offers.
Like this: czcams.com/video/r5VjcBVUDAk/video.html
Wow, yes exactly, well done Rob.
I'm taking this Luna Cycle, add a 72 volt battery a Grin Phase Runner and a 3000 Watt Cyclone v2 all this for around 2,500 dollars American! 55MPH is not uncommon! Stay Slack!
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CUBE's go to 135...and 750 battery.
Curious... why is a mullet setup called a mullet?
Business in the front, party in the rear
@@jeremys.9905 hahaha brilliant
@@simonscottdotcom it’s the truth! 29er rolls over whatever up front, and the 27.5 it playful and active in back. Easier to throw around
@@jeremys.9905 Oh really, great stuff, whoever named it the mullet setup deserves a medal.
The focus at that price should have the kiox. What a rip.
But is it any better? Rob doesn’t seem to think so. I’ve not tried it so wouldn’t know.
@@craponlycomesoutadogsarse1731 yep its better as I have it on mine. He just doesn't like the bosch system period and is always bias towards anything with a Specilized badge.. ive test ridden a lot of bikes and for me the bosch system was the best. Each to their own. The kiox has so much information on it, customisable and has sat nav now via the app that works really well. For me the bosch wins
Not true! I really like the Bosch motor.
Phantom Big Balls I take it you could upgrade to the kiosk later. Every bike has a trade off. In this case its the kiosk that got it I suppose.
@@craponlycomesoutadogsarse1731 yoincoukd yea but thats another £300
Specialized will always win!!!
at being over priced and supplying mediocre parts for the buck. Correct yes
Plus to my eyes not particularly attractive
Would love a 9/10 speed system that can take the ABUSE of an ebike. Sooooo many ebikes must run throug drivetrains in no time like i do :O
Depending how you treat it. Smart gear changes at the right time and more frequent chain changes can save things from wearing too quickly
less gears more chain strength
These e bikes are about 4 grand to much. 6 and 7 thousand is a piss take.
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