ELECTRIC TRUCK 30,000 POUND TOW-OFF | Rivian R1T vs. Ford F-150 Lightning | Who Can Go the Distance?
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Where's the last place you would expect to see two brand-new, nearly $100,000 electric pickup trucks? Right here! This is Truck Mania, the biggest celebration of all things trucks on the West Coast. And it is properly mad, with donuts, burnouts, lifted suspensions and diesel burn-off everywhere. And we brought two EVs: a Rivian R1T and a Ford F-150 Lightning. We put our out-of-place trucks in the Truck Mania Tractor Pull to see which one could tow a 30,000-pound sled the farthest. Head to the video above to find out what happened!
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning pricing & review: edmu.in/3HETiIO
2022 Rivian R1T pricing & review: edmu.in/3JVeGKT
00:00 Intro
01:06 Overview
02:17 Touring TruckMania
03:35 What is a Tractor Sled Pull?
05:10 Dry Runs
09:24 The Main Event
09:52 Ford Pull
10:56 Rivian Pull
12:07 The Numbers
13:04 Edmunds' Take
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Well THAT was interesting. What did you learn about EV trucks?
Stock, from the factory - they would likely beat out any other truck at that competition before mods. Larger tires and added weight could definitely go a long way. As much as people like internal combustion engines, electric easily beats them in every way except range. We're watching a dying breed of motorsports, and that's okay because the future looks interesting.
I learned that they're not real trucks at all.
wdym
@@Cyber_Homestead when nerds get into motorsports
@@brandonmacon3317 Yeah, I agree.
I was the announcer for the pulls, loved the rivian personally! Thank you guys for giving me a spotlight in this
Great job! Even as a Tesla owner that Rivian is a really nice truck
Put just 10,000lbs on any of them and drive down the road and you'll need to fully recharge every 60 to 80 miles
@@mrrey8937 Electric trucks aren’t for towing heavy loads long distances
@@aidanrace814 there goes 4 to 7 million Rv'rs. :-(
@@aidanrace814 I can see myself getting a rivian for daily driving around the city, but I’d definitely take my f250 hauling long distances over the rivian unless I’m not in a hurry and don’t mind charging then maybe things will change but hopefully faster chargers etc otherwise f-250> anyday for hauling and rivian for daily 🤷♂️
Honestly, I was most stoked to see the welcoming attitude and excitement from the Truckmania folks. I was expecting some trash talk towards electric trucks, but they were welcoming and the event was definitely better than expected also. They towed way above their rating and did a decent job from both entries!
It’s a lie , in reality both average conservatives and liberals love , for example , distribúyete solar energy. They don’t like government impositions but love the independence. Now the dudes and dudes that spend too much time with conservative media are a different thing , and so are the politicians.
Most people are more open minded than others give them credit for. Well, in real life, but not so much in internet comment sections. 🙃
@@BillyBobDingledorf I’m right there I’m open minded I’m a huge muscle car guy or cars that is build to be fast but I don’t mind owning a electric truck or electric car for daily driver.
Cuz they’re curious how they would perform.
@@jaimeduncan6167 Exactly. I Never understood why conservatives would be against the freedom that solar energy and electric cars bring. I charge off my solar panels and the electricity company pays me for the extra. Unless of course its conservative media and their dark money donors that are feeding them an alternative narrative.
It's weird to see the truck take off and there's no revving, there's no smoke, just the sounds of that heavy ass sled rattling down the track 😂
And the tired screaming for their life
You all have GOT to do this with the Hummer EV!!
It would definitely be competing with the commercial classes
Be pretty cool!
If they can find one that’s not already broken down 😂
It’s a complete pile of shit
I don't think they could get the battery to last a full pull
I pulled my R1T a couple months ago. You need to fill the front trunk with bags of water softener salt to hold it down, and you can put in about 700# in there and still be under 8000# and full pull. Also... use off road mode. Full throttle from the start!!
Why specifically water softener salt? 😆 Is it heavier than sand?
@@TranceFur You can use it later on
How do you like it? In my opinion its the best EV truck, Not a fan of Ev’s overall. But if I had to choose one it would be the RT1. What a great looking truck, inside and out. Im also a ford guy and not a fan of the lightning at all😂
Where does rivian say the rt1 frunk can hold 700#?
@@TC-kf9zw right next to the part about using it in truck pulls :) he was just saying 700lbs in the frunk kept it under the 8000lb weight rating for the pulling class
some tires would def help
Tires were the weak point which is better than having the chassis being the weak point if tires were upgraded lol
We wanted to see how they perform exactly how they are. Bigger tires means less range/ fuel mileage.
@@nhuff73 Yea, but doubt the range is all that good on the other trucks at the competition.
Right?! Why wouldn’t they put better tires on them?!
@@nhuff73 When doing a test as unrealistic as this though, is there really a point in finding out range? I'd rather see a range test pulling something within their tow rating rather than something 10x it. Definitely should've given both trucks better tires.
I wonder how much the tires affected the performance. It looks like the Rivian had AT vs the all season on the Lightning.
Ya, I bet the Lightning would have done similarly to the Rivian with similar tires.
Tires definitely played a part in this, you don't get that much spin with the right tires.
Substantially, for sure. Doing this with the Lightning on the street tires was basically pointless.
Yes tires, but also the riv has 1 motor for each wheel with advanced off road software that kicks in when you're driving slowly and wheels spin it has super fine traction control.
All season tires are basically no season tires....
You guys should do it with really aggressive off-road tires
They weren't spinning the tires at the end. Lots of traction. Needs lower gearing.
Nice initiative! The crowd doesn't really know what to make of it yet, it's a brave new world..
I suspect more of them like them than they let on, especially the kids. I have a neighbor and her husband is a truck guy, her son is a truck guy, works for GM and all his kids care about are electric cars. His 9 year old daughter was excited and freaking out when one of the neighbors bought a Tesla.
@@venom5809 well the GM EV will be out soon so maybe then.
99% of people are fine with electric vehicles and don't actually care either way.
However, they're not "good for the environment".
The range is terrible.
The resources required to make these batteries are as bad as blood diamonds.
I don't care what people drive, but the facade that they're "going to save the planet" is just propaganda.
@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 well that is a new disinformation tactic.
Of course mass transit is better for the environment than personal vehicles, but personal BEVs are vastly better than personal ICEVs. There is tremendous research to back that up.
And no, range isn’t terrible. There are plenty of ICEVs with less range than some BEVs.
The resources needed to make the batteries depends on chemistry and the more common chemistry LPF is fine.
It is a fact that the planet won’t be saved for people without BEVs.
You should really question your sources of information more. They are misleading you.
@@venom5809 They like trash
Okay did not expect this, probably one of the most unique reviews of new vehicles I’ve seen. Cool to seem them perform similarly to what an ICE might.
@Off The Grid They can, it will just take a bit longer. If you can cover 800 miles a day with an ICE pickup, you'll cover 600 with an EV pickup.
@@VNCTHE1 are you kidding. You’ll have to stop every 50 miles for 3 hours too charge, if you can find a working charger. How do you plan to go 600 miles? Even being on the road for 24 hours and if a charge only took an hour, it would take 2 days to go 600 miles. I’m basing this on the Ford going less than 100 miles with a little trailer.
@@mikelliteras397 You can easily go 100 miles in 1.5hrs, and charge for 30min. This means a run rate of ~100 miles for 2hrs. 600 miles is 12hrs of driving. Very possible in a day. It does not take 3hrs to add 100 miles of range, even 100mi of trailer range will be 30-40min max. So 12-14hrs easy for 600mi. Just because your data and math is wrong does not equal facts...🙄
@@VNCTHE1 you are assuming an unaerodynamic trailer at max weight. If you have an aerodynamic trailer at half weight, you can easily exceed 200 miles between charges with the longest range versions.
@@mikelliteras397 the only EV that takes 3 hours to charge is a Chevy Bolt and it can’t tow. You really need to question your information sources more, they are intentionally misleading you.
I appreciate the test! If you had more time, it would have been interesting to try different terrain modes and not just "tow" mode which might prioritize stability over maximum movement.
And tire selections for the task 😊
Observation 1)
They failed to mention that both was towed there. Charged beforehand.
Ok... and? They are expensive trucks and they wanted to test how well they pull shit. Wouldn't have a fuckin video if something happened on the way there driving the trucks. Not only that, but these guys probably have a media company the trucks are owned under. Insurance may be a factor.
@JunkSnifr - "and what? Your playlist screams that you are a pube kid who doesn't have $80k for any truck.
That was awesome. New weekend activity with my R1T! Would love to see more of these.
If both had tires set up for sled pulling they would be off the charts
Made in America!
Love how the other pullers are whooping when the Rivian takes off.
What surprised me the most is seeing how big thr Rivian actually is. I've seen several images and videos of it, but it always looks relatively small (about the size of a newer Ranger). Even seeing one drive past me, it's hard to gauge the size.
This showed me it's almost the side of an F-150.
I was always thinking the Rivian was meant to be a mid size truck. Weird how it looks smaller than it really is.
Ditto I've seen up close and I drive a Tacoma occasionally and I thought they were about the same size. Surprised it's actually full size
Its bigger than a ranger but smaller than an f150, the R1S SUV is the same vehicle essentially but like 4 inches shorter.
I have an F150 and my friend has the rivian. Big difference in size inside the cab. The rivian is still a very nice truck and very capable
The Rivian is a true midsize. Midsize seating in the back even.
As a share holder of Rivian 😢 not only do I want the company to do good I also want one of these trucks so bad!!
They are both truly awesome.
great video guys!!!
Would like to see this again with the same tires on both vehicles
Now I wanna see which can pull a heavy load the furthest before running out of battery
One thing the announcer didn't point out but probably could have - the Lightning and Rivian were both bone stock unmodified, and competing against some extremely heavily modified vehicles.
Yeah, there are a lot of things u can modify in an electric vehicle like mud flaps and cup holders. There is also a huge mod market for them at this time especially if it’s not a tesla.
I realize now Ive never cared how far the sled got just like the reving and smoke lol
That was a fun and informative video. I love the fact that y’all did some like this. Can y’all do a rematch with mud tires or a tire.
Great video guys, thanks. Good result for both stock vehicles vs others specially prep for pulling. 🤙🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻😝
I would be interested in seeing it pull in off-road modes, and in stiff suspension to keep the back from squatting and maybe keep from tires more planted.
That’s just wild. Keep the vids coming !!!!!
That was cool.
Nice content.
Just Subscribed.
That was brave...!
@Chris Paukert I was expecting the batteries to bubble... :)
@Chris Paukert I would have been more worried about the hitch assembly!
That was a amazing video !!!
Please do it again, but with 500-700 pounds in the frunk of the RIVIAN!
And better tires
For the FORD to only be less than 20 feet back and have much less HP and torque, I think it shows how good the lightning is!
imagine now with the same tires as the Rivian 👍
Very impressive, nice job.
Glad you liked it!
Would adding weight in the frunk help traction to the front wheels?
I really doubt the frunk can hold enough weight to make a difference. The run is short enough that the Rivian doesn't have time to do any of its suspension adjustment.
400lbs in the frunk would indeed make a difference.
@@prerunnerwannabe Oh wow. Never looked up the frunk weight limit. That’s *way* higher than I thought!
Wonderful, It is the future. Thanks for doing this pull.
This was excellent!
A couple people near me have the Rivian, it's such a cool looking truck.
this was awesome, i wonder if lowering tire psi would have helped any ?
That was awesome, was excited watching it.
Tires tires tires!! Outstanding video, I would LOVE to see these with serious tires on them.
I am living for 2 years in the US, and today I learned that there is a unit of measurement called US TONS, whenever I hear tons here in the US I think of metric tons!
34 000 pounds didn't seem to be 17 tons to me, so I checked and it's just 15.42 Tons, but then I learned that it's 17 US Tons lol, Cmon Muricans, you could ve chosen a different name for this unit of measurement! Maybe "Boulders", "Elephants", "Cheeseburgers palette" or something creative like y'all do to avoid the metric system.
The sled pulling test should be a feature of all truck and SUV tests and comparisons!!!!!
This is some amazing content and advertising
13:19 a dark cloud just covering the whole strip 🤣
Not bad. Good video, thanks.
Great vid👍I'd of done he same if it wasn't being drag raced it would have a nice pair of mud terrains on it pulling sleds too. Also the rivian had near 1000lb/ft torque vs 775 in the Lighting and Rivian also for pulling, had the weight advantage l.
The Rivian also has AT while the Lightning has All Seasons.
Both trucks have crazy LED lights😵
Es un video genial amigo :)
Can't wait to see cyber truck in sled pulling! Also love to see hummer EV do it. With the weight and power, it might destroy record
With all the money Musk spent buying Twitter. His focus on that ugly grade school designed EV pick up might get placed on hold. Give me the Ford because Ford knows how to build trucks like their new Super Duty Ice diesel capable of towing 40,000 lbs..
@@DWH300 I agree, I'd rather take the Ford over Rivian or Tesla. I trust the company with over 100 years of experience building trucks more than these little startups. Hell, I'd even trust GM to build a better electric truck.
I was waiting on the Rivian to break itself in half!!! Insane Torque!😮
It doesn't have a drive shaft so no body torsion
This is a great test of overall power. I'd say fairly impressive
The Rivian is pretty badass for something that has Dyson desktop fans for headlights. So f'n bizarre looking.
If weight is an advantage, would love to see the Hummer EV pulling
I can see my trailer in the background in the intro. I was right there when they were filming this.
Very interesting!!!
Im really surprised and impressed from battery consumption
You can only put out so much power in 30s. Assuming it's maxing power (it's obviously not due to traction and low speed) it's outputting 800hp or 600kw. To drain a 130kwh battery pack at 600kw takes 13 minutes.
My guess is that it's probably only able to put 200-300 horsepower to the ground before the wheels start slipping. It could probably pull that sled for 45 minutes (but it might start overheating pretty quickly, just like a gas/diesel truck would)
The Headlamps/Rear Light LEDs appear "rave-like" that due to the cameras filming. Similar to filming a PC monitor/refresh rate.
I can sense a "tractor pull mode" software update coming for these babys! haha
That was interesting!!!
Gmc hummer would probably break only few meters🤣
These EV trucks performed a pull using just under 1% of the battery which is roughly 1.35 kWh of energy per pull. I'd like to know how much gasoline of diesel some of those ICE vehicles use per pull. Got to believe it's at least 1/4 gallon which equates to roughly 10kWh of energy. These trucks also used stock street tires.
That track is brutal
I think if you used same tires it would have given you a more accurate comparison. Very good and new challenge for EV.
Observation 2)
The true dog-n-pony is how long it takes to get to the Grand Canyon. Or Yellowstone. Or Sturgis. These are around town only.
Love that Rivian, will never reach these shores but what a great looking truck.
Guys look at the reaction of people while doing pull with ev and with nitro diesel trucks 🔥❣️
I believe the hitch needed to be setup a bit better on the Rivien so that it doesn’t squat on the rear axle which would tend to limit the power that could be put down on the front axle,
Fact:
“RIVIAN is more powerful than F 150 lightning, period.”
Have a great day to y’all!
I am impressed !
Why did they use a solid hitch hookup for the rivian and a swivel hitch hookup for the lightning? More weight on the rear end for the rivian means more traction off the line.
wonder what the hummer ev would do
Better than either of these, but it's 9500lbs, so it's outside of all the weight classes
I hope someday they can test the Lordstown Endurance truck which has 4 hub motors pumping out over 4,000ft lbs of torque. Would be cool to see.
5:47 Is that the sound of tires screeching...on _dirt?_ Every sound fx tech in Hollywood is feeling vindicated right now.
EV Sled pull vs the truck at the end which was its own greenhouse emissions factory.
I’m a Ford lightning owner and loved the video thanks
Shoulda raised the back on the Rivian. It’s just adjustable suspension height, right?
be nice to know the exact amount of battery loss from the pull
Tractor pull on Saturday, power your home if the power goes out, and take the family to church on Sunday. Can't do that with those modified tractor pull trucks.
Why not? Decent alternator, pure sine power inverter. Maybe a couple auxiliary batteries so you don't have to run the truck non stop.
No problem powering appliances during a power outage, assuming your panel is set up for a generator or something, which it would need to be in either situation. Without running extension cords to every appliance anyway.
@@caddyguy5369 I think the Ford power station that charges the BEV truck can also work in reverse to power the home with same plug? You just have to get the home power station installed and have a switch that turns off grid power when the BEV truck is supplying power to the home. No cords other than the one to the truck. If you have solar, you can power your home and truck at the same time. Then you can use/store the extra power in your truck's battery if the weather is bad or at night.
@@mrgold3591 That doesn't explain why you couldn't do that using a modified tractor pull truck.
@@caddyguy5369 You can use anything you want to power your house. Read my original post: "Tractor pull on Sat, power home if power goes out, and take the family to church on Sunday" I don't see a lot of modified tractor pull trucks running errands around town, getting groceries, pulling a trailer for vacation, work commuting, home Depot runs, or providing whole house power in an emergency?
@@mrgold3591 You left out the part of the comment I was responding to from your quote...
"Can't do that with those modified tractor pull trucks."
Sure you can. Just because you don't see something doesn't mean you can't do it.
You specifically said you can't do something that you can. That is what I was addressing. You picking up what I'm laying down?
PS: Quotes ommiting context are very bad form. Ask the media.
PPS: I don't see many / any EVs doing those things either... Doesn't mean they don't or can't. They are a poor choice for me personally though.
Traction control on with the Lighting ?
Ive been wondering for years when the first electric competition pulling tractor would appear. Of course the spectators would probably shoot the driver, they dont like people being free to choose for themselves what best suits their needs.
Says who
A couple robotic engineers i work with bought new rivian trucks. Got a ride in one. Peppy and torquey as hell. Very cool, but way way out of my price range. My bro bought a new Ford maverick ecoboost for $24k out the door. Its a great little truck. Thats more what I can afford, and sport mode in that thing hauls ass
Holy smokes I had no clue the R1 had that much power on paper. Wow I was amazed people were so welcoming and thought it was cool. Did you cut out the haters? Hahaha
awesome
The lack of wheel spin at the end makes me think that the computers are pulling power from the motors in an attempt to maintain traction. But just like with gas powered traction control systems, they interfere with user input and can prevent the power train from really doing what it should.
My thoughts exactly. Would be very interested to see back to back pulls with traction control on and traction control off. Also I'm not sure if these two trucks have locking differentials, but the Hummer does. That could help as well.
Would be interesting for the trucks to have setting to adjust amount of slip allowed in the traction control for these types of situations
l learned from SmarterEveryWeek that the height of the hitch connection relative to the axle height makes a big difference
This was in Sacramento?
I read comments all the time bashing on electric, with people saying I'd never buy electric, yet you can't buy one in my area there isn't a showroom with in a 1000 miles. Shortest wait time I've found is 6 months.
i wanted someone to do this sooo fkn bad FINALLY
Was that sparks shooting out of the side of the Rivian at 7:30 ?
Nice Video!!!!! But now I want to see the Tesla Cybertruck with its 1020 HP, 1200 pounds of torque, and 14,000 pounds of towing capacity, but we have to wait until the mid to end of 2023!!!!! But the video show the future of trucks, specially when these two trucks came plain from their respective companies with no modifications at all, and using unmatched tires, compared to other ICE trucks that were heavily modified either in engines, or tires, or both!!!!! But again, a very nice video!!!!!!!!
RT1 is a beast! Just needs more range.
Just needs to be a better truck in general.
The sag in the rivian on the first run my goodness.
I wonder what locking the Ford's differential would have had on its pulling distance
I don't think there is a differential. it's just a shaft attached to a motor
@@andrewdalvet6871 The ford only has two electric motors, one for the front and one for the back. You'd have to have a differential if you wanted to turn without sliding the tires.
@@andrewdalvet6871 It has an electronic diff than can divert power to which ever wheel has traction and stop wasting power on the ones that are spinning. Pretty neat honestly.
Been following Rivian since the beginning. Just needs more range. Seems all the big three are in competition on who can build a more expensive truck so right now I've been waiting on a new underdog.
Watch out the next few years. Solid state batteries are finally nearing viability for EVs. Better energy capacity, weight, and safety (hard to ignite). We're going to see a turning point very soon.
The Lightning starts off cheaper than the Rivian... Seems like Rivian is going the Tesla route and overcharging on the basis that people will spend anything on a startup company.
To produce huge amounts of power for short periods of time, is right in the "wheelhouse" of electric trucks. They're perfectly suited to this. Rather than comparing trucks, I think this was more of a contest between TIRES! If you could add ballast to the Ford, and make it as heavy a s the Rivian, I'll bet the results would be more similar. In both cases, the trucks stopped because of traction, NOT lack of torque. It might be interesting to try fitting the trucks with tires more similar to the successful trucks in this class.
How much battery was used in the pull?
Great for towing a trailer to your mailbox. In case you have something big to mail out.