Thanks everyone for commenting and contributing to the discussion! I’m pinning this to let everyone know I wrote this script before the custom levels were actively being added, so my points about the levels not being made for movement plus changes a lot when you introduce these new levels. I highly recommend movement plus if you play any of the custom sonic levels, they make it much more enjoyable!
My thing is movement plus isn't necessarily a bad mod, it's definitely fun to fly around at top speeds. But I think the realism of the basic movement looks and sometimes feels better. It's all a matter of what you want your gameplay to feel like.
I adore movement plus but I wont pretend that going from movement plus back to vanilla for whatever reason I may have doesn't induce at least brief growing pains trying to readjust to the slower, more laid back pace. Id recommend that (ideally) movement plus should only be installed AFTER beating the game for the 1st time (then never turning off unless you really wanna do activates online).
Yeah my general gaming "rule" is to play a good amount or beat a game completely unmodded for initial impressions sake and then fiddle and tinker with it modded afterwards. I had about 20 ish hours in BRC before I modded it so its safe to say I appreciate the devs wholewheartedly lmao
I use it with the settings turned waaaaay down and the more broken options turned off. I like having my speed accelerate through skill and combos, not instant top speed from just landing on the right pixels or surfaces
I’ve tuned my configs to only be *slightly* faster than normal, but my max speed is set at 144mph (as opposed to around 60-80mph iirc), which can be achievable when boosting for a few seconds tech that can easily bump your speed is tuned down, same as or even lower than vanilla BRC (looking at you corner boosts) so the only consistent way to reach high MPH is to either boost, OR do movement techs consistently like frameboosting and the likes basically higher than vanilla but lower than default Movement+
THIS. im ~12 hours into BRCF and the speed feels way slower than it should be. hitting tricks/combos and going rail to rail feels amazing, i just wish it sped me up faster. ill check out this mod thanks to this comment!
misrepresentation is probably the best point, I never thought of it that way. putting a disclaimer in the description that movement plus was used is a really good idea too
I don't use it, because I already enjoy the base game. But the only time I'll use MovementPlus is in a big custom map with a Sonic skin. MovementPlus is just too much for the vanilla maps.
The only problem to me when i used it at first is how ridiculous is to exploit and farm speed, doesn't feel fulfilling, granted, if feels gifted like, precisely as you say, as a speed boost and it SHOULDN'T feel that way, you should ear speed by playing with the geometry of the game, not just by spamming boost tricks and jumping, there's no much challenge on that and to me personally, it's just no fun Tldr: i want to go faster, not flying without much control whatsoever Good thing it has some customization tho, but at first glance can be a bummer
Movement plus wouldn't be nearly as necessary if some of the levels were just, less boring. Why is that plaza section in the mall so huge with almost nothing in it? Same with that really long section of Mataan. I'd much rather have a mod that just edits all the base game levels adds way more objects and routes to trick off of.
As someone who thinks that BRC could use a little bit more speed, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like the mod goes too much against the intended design of the game. It's a cool mod and I'm glad people enjoy it though.
I never thought about it that way, I think a disclaimer at the beginning would be a really good way to mitigate the accidental scenarios where new players get scammed
It's just boring to watch compared to the actual gameplay. It's less interesting. In fact it looks less deep than standard gameplay because half of you guys do nothing but fly around the map.
Solid vid overall dude, you are definetly not wrong when it comes to how the vanilla game feels after using movement plus. i decided that id try play vanilla a few days back and found that it wasnt as furfilling. This comes especially with the maps in the game when comparing vanilla to movement plus but with the new custom maps id say that movement pluss is way more versatile
Thanks for the compliment! But I agree, custom maps, especially the sonic ones, definitely benefit from movement plus. I honestly wrote the script for this around a month ago, before the custom maps were so prevalent.
Tried it out while browsing mods, instantly uninstalled it. To me, I see it more as a way to enjoy the game once you've beat it, and I don't have a problem with that. I do feel like it sort of goes again what team reptile has in mind, but to each their own I guess.
I believe it does ruin as I heavily agree with con#2 the speed kills the simplicity and the weight of how you do tricks and just trivialize the hard routes you take to get to a heaven spot I really love the wall splat tho it gives more depth to the mix of realistic bmx, skateboarding, rollerblading, and parkour with having a rocket powered backpack without abandoning the identity game has made for itself
OMG the Forest Interlude from DKC2!! I put that track on a CD mix for my friend’s car about ten years ago, inbetween some boards of canada, aphex twin and four tet, I’ve never even played DKC2 so once I’d put it on the CD I couldn’t even remember who did it or where it was from, but I listened to that CD so much One day we were at some stop lights and the car next to us asked to swap discs, I think they gave us some random D&B CD, but I hope they enjoyed my chill mix CD whoever they were Anyway, I probably haven’t heard this track since then, so thank you for inadvertently bringing back that memory haha
Honestly I think the mod does ruin the core idea of the game a bit but I don't think the speed mod is necessarily bad I think once custom maps start becoming more of a regular thing in bomb rush the mod will start to shine, I've already seen a video of someone playing a sonic inspired map using the movement plus mod and its insane
i think movement plus really doesnt work in the base game but on custom maps made with movement plus in mind it is an absolute blast. i think we just need more maps built around the mod
When I saw the Peter griffin video and other videos that used movement plus without me knowing, I was like “Yo I wanna buy the game and do that” But when I did… I was perplexed. I thought maybe the people in those videos got so good at the moment, that there was some kind of technique that I wasn’t picking up on that made them go fast. And unfortunately I dropped BRC and went on to play Pseudoregalia, Spark 3 and the Rollin Rascal demo, which all have great momentum. Now that I’ve seen this video, I understand why I was initially disappointed with the basic movement of BRC. PS I do kinda wish now that Team Reptile gets this mod into the game officially some how.
Thanks so much for sharing! I knew this had happened to someone out there. I'm sorry to hear you were disappointed in the game. Hopefully in a sequel we'll get some more advanced/quicker movement.
@@caughtnappin_675 That’s not to say I won’t return to BRC. It’s still installed on steam, so I may return to it this week. Then once I beat it normally, I’ll install movement plus to see what that’s all about.
Constructive video, I enjoyed it! I think it's all about the balance. I tweaked my settings to be a bit more subtle and turned off certain effects and I'm very happy with how the movement flows. Shame you can't use it with multiplayer but it makes sense.
Your second pro is the biggest one, for me. It lets you jump off one line and latch onto another in ways that weren’t possible before. I did my first playthrough vanilla, and really enjoyed ‘coloring inside the lines,’ but now I want to explore what’s possible by ‘coloring _outside_ the lines.’ I grew up with games like Tony Hawk (or Halo, Unreal Tournament…) that might’ve included a mode like this on the disk, whether as a cheat code, collectible, or new game+ option - which is exactly how I’m using it here. Also using soap shoes so I can play the whole game on foot and feel like a Kingdom Hearts character with a boostpack.
I just play the switch version, i got used to the 60pfs after just after playing 30fps the first day the game dropped and it's nice won't change it for anything else, this kind of classic approach to games is what i like, pc is a totally different world people make crews add characters is a whole lot of content that idk if i could handle it.
I'm a bit of a purist but I will admit, you got got me considering it. My main worry was that it would've gotten crack for me and I wouldn't want to touch the old game again. But you mentioning you still appreciate the game without movement plus, and the fact that there's tons of custom maps now that work better with movement plus, kinda sold me
This was a great analysis on the mod and the ideas you conveyed throughout the video are exactly what i think about how this mod completely changes the preception of new players on the game. I waited for brc for 3 years since they released the trailer in 2020 and when i finally got to play it, well i can definitely say the controls were not as i expected them to be in the first place but after i got the hang of them it was a pretty enjoyable experience, in fact i would say it's a step up from jsrf. I really have never seen a need to improve the core gameplay mechanics, but i can definitely understand that feeling of having run out of things to do and crave for something new, like a dlc or more movement options. What i really think is the problem here is not the newly added gameplay features but rather the speed is what's killing the way people view the game, brc was not designed to be like a sonic the hedgehog game, even though it would totally outperform it with the use of custom maps. And as for the community, i have never really seen anyone complaining about the mod at first when it first came out (speaking for my ignorance, i haven't join back in 3 or 4 months), but honestly i think this game's community is so much more chill than from other game you could find out there, i really haven't seen any drama on it and in general i think everyone here has been very respectful and cool, but everyone has to remember that everyone chooses how to play the game. You can always install and uninstall the mod, anytime, free of charge. And no one is gaining an advantage over it, it's just a different way of enjoying the game, just how Ultrakill allows you to use cheats if you really can't fathom the complex control scheme and the barrages of bullets coming right at you. I really appreciate that awareness is being brought into the matter with videos like this as i also think it's the best way to cut tensions between both sides and reunite the community again, as well as colectively look for a solution to how we should make use of this mod regarding how new players see it and how experienced players should use it as to not ruin the vanilla experience. Thank you so much for taking the time to read my comment and i apologize if i made any mistakes, i'm not very good at english lol TLDR: Game is great, mods are too. Play the game how you like the most :)
I turn it off for the regular game but I feel like particularly for custom maps like Sonic Riders Metal City they neeeeed MovementPlus or they're super slow Walljump I freaking love and feels like it should have been part of the game but it's also OP with the original design of the game so I think in general yeah these mods "ruin" the original experience and you should wait until you have played most of the game vanilla/beaten it It's a really good point though on how a lot of the videos new players will see of BRC might be really modded out and may be misleading (makes me grateful I got to experience the game from launch)
I don’t understand how something optional can ruin a whole game, and the mod is massively customizable the each person liking too. I could see how one could say it’s ruin by destroying the level design but you could also wait till you finish the game to download mods to preserve the original and intended experience. It could also be a game changing mod for people and change their entire outlook on the game in a good way
I was someone who played vanilla JSR and some of JSRF and absolutely loved those games. coming from those to BRC was soooo enjoyable, because it was a nice and clean transition from the controls that even expanded upon mechanics. This all being said, I was also one of the people who was exposed to movement plus before playing the game, unaware it was a mod. While it was a let-down to know the high speed movement i was a little starry-eyed about was from a mod, i still to this day find myself playing more with the vanilla movement. Again, as a previous JSR player, these limited controls make for some satisfying strings when pulled off. For me, theres something to appreciate with the limited-ness of it all. Movement plus is simply an add-on to me. It doesn't detract from the original game, because i'm still able to love and appreciate how vanilla movement ties the game all together. Movement+ is simply a new way to experience everything. It's not a sentiment i've really heard myself, but it does dishearten me to think that others can have their experience ruined from the existence of a mod when the original game still is wonderful in its own right.
I think - pardon the pun, this mod might.... Shape, da future. I have a feeling that if one of the game devs of BRCF played this, and if we ever got a BRCF2, they'd probably be like "this is garbage" when they first play movement plus but then when they go back to the main game - like you said, they might find the game too slow. This sort of thing happened with Street Fighter 2 when Rainbow Edition hit the market, and it's a reason why turbo exists. I'd imagine hypothetically if we were to get BRCF2, there could be a "jetpack booster" upgrade that could be toggled to give an experience closer to movement plus. Maybe. Thats wishful thinking I guess Edit: YOU'RE THE RING STYLE GUY?!
I had to massively tweak Movement Plus in order to get something even close to what I considered more "vanilla" feeling gameplay and even then it's clear how much the game world was specifically made for the OG physics Now the Style Switching mod I'm definitely keeping that on permanently. Double the tricks and slightly more variation in trick speed and manual times 😎
i definitely agree with the misrepresentation point you made. every time i saw the game players were moving so fast, then i played the game and i was going very slow. i still played and loved the game, but i didn't know about movement plus till just recently and realized all the gameplay i've ever saw used this mod. i've only started using movement plus yesterday and it's been fun to use
I like the idea of being rewarded with a speed boost for good skill but the lack of speed cap ruins it, going exponentially faster until you reach unreasonable speeds just isnt fun. But going idk. Twice as fast max? Looks fun
imo the best way to use movement plus is to use the "vanilla" config on the mod page, turn all the new mechanics on, and uncap all the maximum speeds. then you have the base game's movement but uncapped meaning you're more rewarded for skilled play, and with some added depth
For me, is an addition to the game. I haven't played it yet. I want to finish it 100% and then go to the movementPlus. Not only that, but I won't be making any content online about the game and just going to play it casually.
absolutely great video man, movement plus is good, and i enjoy just playing for the speed and vibe, but the base game is and always will be better for me, both sides are good but theres something just special about playing the game the way it was intended!
I think it’s best as an alternative way to play the game. I tend to switch back and fourth between vanilla movement to movement plus a lot. As fun as it is, I don’t think it’s superior to the vanilla gameplay, as m plus takes away the exploration aspect like looking around for outfits, cds, and graffiti spots. Although it’s a great option for whenever you’re feeling board from the base game.
I played the entirety of the base game without movement+ knowing it existed, because I knew that the second I installed it I would 100% never play without it. I was right. I love the base game, but movement+ just elevates it to the next level for me.
im gonna be honest, i remember seeing a video of dante in brc with movement plus and i thought it was the base gameplay (i mean, like, not the obvious dante character mod). i wasnt too disappointed when i got brc, as i assumed that i could actually go that fast myself
I'd been waiting for BRC since around the first trailer, and when I realized that the game was as slow as it was, on top of having no wall running, or at the very least wall _planting,_ I refunded it. After getting it on sale a few months later, I got some mods my friend recommended me, movement plus and wall plant included. I never looked back. I've heard one of the biggest complaints about movement plus being how easy it was to build speed but, for me at least, it's never been an issue. Of course it's gotten easier as I've gotten better but I've never found a truly solid way to instantly gain a burst of speed like I see some people do. The only problem I ever had with MP was the fast fall which felt a little intrusive in my parkour/slide based gameplay, so I disabled it pretty early on. Maybe that's why I can't build speed so fast? Regardless MP really has become the only way to play for me, and I'm glad I played through the entire game that way. Wall plant made the experience a lot more enjoyable too, I seriously can't fathom the reason as to why it isn't isn't a base feature. Sure it lets you skip some things or avoid intended routes, but isn't carving your own path what parkour games are all about? Honestly, I think BRC would be a much better game if some of the levels were a little more open, the speed was a good bit higher, and there was more depth to the tricks and parkour. Movement Plus is awesome but I can understand why some people don't want to use it- the game straight up just wasn't built for it. That idea of building and carrying momentum, though, is so satisfying and leads to such fantastic and emergent gameplay, that I don't really understand why BRC didn't lean into it a little more.
In a game designed with insane movement in mind such as Cloudbuilt, this would be the coolest shit ever. But in this game, I always felt that achieving a nice flow with the moveset you have was the most fun part. Managing boost, tricks and even rail corners all contributed to a very fun sense of flow that made you feel quick, but not over-powered. Movement plus just kinda makes you skip everything. And it can be fun for a while, but gets shallow very quickly as insane amounts of speed are super easy to gain.
would recommend a link to the mod and yuris youtube channel in the desc, will go find them after this, but figured thatd be a handy convienience for any future watchers
So I'm making this comment as an addendum to my previous one, I gave Movement+ a go (minus the wall plant and fast fall mod), and found out that there are settings to make the movement similar to vanilla. It did things like reduce how much speed you can accumulate and such, I'm not sure of all the intricacies. I think it functions as a good middle ground. I really like the sense of building speed and like having to worry about slopes that will either build up/decrease my speed. However, I'm not really a fan of how it feels like the combo system suffers. Not a huge fan of how difficult it is to accrue score and multiplier. Feels like leaning into rail turns is just to gain speed rather than combos. And frankly, I don't think the game's maps support the level of speed super well. Things are too condensed for you not to loop in on the map. Which is why I think the perfect use for Movement+ is custom maps. I absolutely loved how much speed I was able to get in maps like Emerald Coast and Metal City, as these maps let you both get speed and have the area that lets you move fast. To be honest, what I feel could improve Movement+ exponentially would be an option in-game to either enable or disable it when the time needs it. It'd make it so much easier to participate in Score Battles/Races as well as to have the option to really move on larger custom maps. I'm unsure if such a thing could even be possible, nor if the mod creator is willing to look into it but I really think that a way to get the best of both worlds.
My biggest issue with it is definitely how crazy fast the game gets and how the maps just don't accommodate for it. Besides, I like how BRC feels like a more refined and tigher JSRF, the massive changes just transform it into a completely different beast, which I don't like. I like to use it on big custom maps, tho.
While the vanilla gameplay focus more on maintaining the combo Movement plus rather focuses on the "keep the momentum" stuff. I really like the movement plus but i still feel that could coexhist with another mod that could focus and expand on that "keep the combo" design philosophy.
alot of the people saying that you go to fast with this mod must be forgetting the fact that you can change the speed of literally everything this mod adds lmao
Just so everyone knows, the modder who created this mod also made a "vanilla friendly" version of it. It's faster than the vanilla game but definitely not as crazy as the default mod. If it can helps. Also been using the mod for a while but I kind of like the fact that even with the "crazy" version of the mod, you have control over your speed, you can basically stay "slow" if you don't hard corner or frameboost too much. Still, I think the Vanilla friendly version of the mod is better, as you can still enjoy the level design as it was intended.
I've been playing with default settings and I generally enjoy it, except carpet sliding. That specific part is genuinely just a speed hack on default settings (and it totally ruins the carpet slide race track in Millennium Mall). Haven't tried tweaking anything yet, I'm sure my experience will be much better once I get around to that
movement+ carpet sliding speed boost starts to make alot more sense when you realise a ton of maps actually have these spots, even in the hideout id say all the base game stuff is not ideal to play with movement+ cus it was designed without it in mind, but its great when you wanna get really involved with the mechanics
I have been using the mod since release and I'm considering on disabling it. While it's a fun mod, it does disrupt the big mod that connects us Sloppy players together. I think that after a while, I got tired of being fast and I just like to chill.
I just do both movement + and vanilla i love both moving around at high speed and then on my other save finding the correct paths to complete levels i just love the game tbh
Yes it does, it ruins the game, it ruins the core concepts of the game, it ruins the level design of the game, it ruins the entire kit of abilities you have bc it's just so overly reliable, it is by all means a terrible addition to the game, doesn't mean people can't have fun with it, if they do, that's fine, but just know that it is not, by any means, a well thought out mod at all
as someone who hasnt played the game, it seems like the most ??? mod out of all of them. it *is* just a speed hack essentially, every time i see it it makes it less interesting. those high speeds arent as cool when you can just get them really easily
ill probably try movement+ again since it does look like a genuinely cool experience, but i did not like it at first LOL the speed looked and felt awkward in maps that are too cramped for it. the windmill area in pyramid hill is like, a perfect use of movement+, i think custom maps with more open areas/larger maps would make it feel/look better to me personally. but wouldnt i bash anyone who uses it .
I just started moding the game and been having alot of fun, Yeah ik the fast movements were mods for sure but i wanted to try it. It is definitely tricky with the default settings and im getting the hang of it but i can go with or without movement plus.
I think with a lower movement speed, movement plus would be welcome on my mods list. Yes, it is very manageable with the speed it currently functions at. But the game upon release really felt more about flow than just zip zoomin everywhere on the map. But combine a more flowy speed with the current trick mods and whatnot, think it'll be something gold. Add a variable slider for how fast you want the character to move. Easiest solution. Not everyone wants to go fast.
i understand this pov but i personally dont have an issue with swapping between movement plus and vanilla movement, i just have to remind myself "ok this isnt modded"
I like the down boost and wall jump. I feel like that should have been in vanilla. I will say I am one of the people who was gaslit by people using this mod "what 200hrs in bomb rush looks like." And it was a Hatsune Miku whizzing around the map at breakneck speed. I got the game and got the Miku mod and played vanilla all the way through. I prefer the chill gameplay, but movement plus is definitely really cool on some custom maps.
I think it absolutely does. Traditionally in video games, classic nes/snes/genesis era games denoted items with a + sign to show the player that it was better than the original NON + item/thing. Movement PLUS doesnt do that. Why do i think that? Mainly because it doesnt work in the sandbox that its in. Just going fast isnt enough . If movement plus was a mod that added a slew of individual features that moved the needle further in overall movement not just make it go faster. Then this would be a different conversation. However, every single video ive seen of this game that has movement plus js just a dude going so fast that they can barely control their character and as a viewer you barely see what is happening. A real movement plus would be like the differences in traversal from spiderman 1 to spiderman to. The new ps5 games that is. A good example of evolution of traversal. If they evolved the traversal like that. Id be on board
very good video! only gripe is that it seems a bit silly that even after you specifically noted you can change the speed and settings in pro #3 the literal first entry in the cons list is "it's too fast" lol now I've never used the mod personally, but my answer to the question posited in the title and video is still a no. I've noted my opinion on con #1 already, and I think the only actual valid downside on the list would be con #2 since that's is actually something caused purely by the environments not being meant for the mod's added functionality. #3 is less a con of Movement Plus and more an incompatibility issue on the other mod's part, though not for invalid reasons as M+ would give an unfair advantage against vanilla players. #4 is also not a fault of M+ because communities split on silly things all the time lmao, really it's more a problem of people's perspective than a fault of the mod. #5 is a close second for most valid concern, but imo that's still a fault of creators not labeling their mod usage and people not looking into the game any further before buying it. as I said before: overall great video. very solid in terms of editing and ideas. I do think most of the cons weren't really things that are faults of the mod and only served to unnecessarily pad out the cons column, but that didn't detract from my enjoyment much at all. keep up the great work on your videos and thanks for the entertainment!
Thanks for the comment. I could have been more concise with my points, i agree with you there. I tried to present the cons in a way that an average person who didn’t know much about the mod might think. A first time user might not know it’s customizable and just assume the mod is only fast. I also agree that it’s not necessarily the mod’s fault for creating a divide, more of a personal thing as you said. Either way it’s still a catalyst for some people to feel that way. Appreciate the compliments!
It turns the game into a different game. Which some people may like, some may not. For one, though, the vanilla locations surely aren't designed for those amounts of speed, so that's one thing you could say "ruins" the game if you are using that mod. But not the mod itself.
I think overall it does ruin it but I also think it's fine to mess around with once you're done with everything and just wanna mindlessly run everywhere and essentially skip over level design. That being said some stuff like wall jumps and floor slam etc I think are fine because they kinda just give you more stuff to work with while not removing the core of the intended gameplay but the speed and added jump height are what truly ruin the proper experience. I think modding it enough to make it like a tony hawk game would be a perfect balance of added freedom and intended gameplay
i stopped using for three reasons: online activities such as combo battles, it being unusable (well impractical i guess) on some great maps like sony hawk, and because when you do slides on the intended slide areas it goes ballistically fast which can be a bit annoying at times when you want more control. its a fantastic mod though and adds so much depth alongside wallplant and bounce that i almost feel bad when i do turn it off, but sometimes the trade off (especially the first two points) is too much for smaller maps and online combo battles. i do use it when im already familiar with a map though
Personally I dont see anything bad with it, It's just that its simply too overpowered for the base game maps. for bigger custom maps, it fits right in. For example it breaks the mall's design easily, but say the Grand Metropolis mod from Sonic Heroes, its perfect.
its the reverse for me, i cant see the appeal of jumping over the entire map back and forth that shit just looks and feels really boring but advanced movement in any game is a plus in general
Movement plus doesn't ruin the game, it just doesn't appeal to a lot of folks. A lot of the people i see using the mod like blasting off at super speed, and to me I feel like i'm missing most of the level and experience if i'm just zooming through.
As a giant momentum addict, I have to say yes. I don't only use MovementPlus; I use the no speed cap mod too. So it's double the fun. Playing the base game is like how people describe playing a 60 fps game on Switch. Although I never really complain about it,. I loved the base game on day 1, but once these mods entered the picture it became a different game for me. The number 1 thing that was ruined was definitely combat. Movementplus' combat giving me more momentum sold me on this. I doubt I'll ever enjoy base again due to it, but hell this may convince Team Reptile to focus more on momentum in a sequel. But even then, the modding community will go crazy with that as well. On a side note, I have a similar issue with Sonic 3 Air, I use the Sawnick mod way too damn much base game is like playing with a giant lag spike in comparison.
Thanks everyone for commenting and contributing to the discussion! I’m pinning this to let everyone know I wrote this script before the custom levels were actively being added, so my points about the levels not being made for movement plus changes a lot when you introduce these new levels. I highly recommend movement plus if you play any of the custom sonic levels, they make it much more enjoyable!
My thing is movement plus isn't necessarily a bad mod, it's definitely fun to fly around at top speeds. But I think the realism of the basic movement looks and sometimes feels better. It's all a matter of what you want your gameplay to feel like.
My brother in christ this is a game in which a robot's head is attached to his killer's body
Agreed
@@carlosemilio5180 all they said was that the more realistic controls felt better to them why are you so fucking mad dude
@@peo9741There is nothing realistic about the base game's movement lmao. Show me a skater that can vertically scale a fawking light pole lmao
@@NoName-sw3be MORE REALISTIC. i said theyre MORE realistic than the mod's movement, you objectively cant disagree with that
I adore movement plus but I wont pretend that going from movement plus back to vanilla for whatever reason I may have doesn't induce at least brief growing pains trying to readjust to the slower, more laid back pace.
Id recommend that (ideally) movement plus should only be installed AFTER beating the game for the 1st time (then never turning off unless you really wanna do activates online).
Yeah my general gaming "rule" is to play a good amount or beat a game completely unmodded for initial impressions sake and then fiddle and tinker with it modded afterwards. I had about 20 ish hours in BRC before I modded it so its safe to say I appreciate the devs wholewheartedly lmao
Completely agree, first playthrough should be vanilla then after that install all the mods you want
I use it with the settings turned waaaaay down and the more broken options turned off. I like having my speed accelerate through skill and combos, not instant top speed from just landing on the right pixels or surfaces
I’ve tuned my configs to only be *slightly* faster than normal, but my max speed is set at 144mph (as opposed to around 60-80mph iirc), which can be achievable when boosting for a few seconds
tech that can easily bump your speed is tuned down, same as or even lower than vanilla BRC (looking at you corner boosts) so the only consistent way to reach high MPH is to either boost, OR do movement techs consistently like frameboosting and the likes
basically higher than vanilla but lower than default Movement+
THIS. im ~12 hours into BRCF and the speed feels way slower than it should be. hitting tricks/combos and going rail to rail feels amazing, i just wish it sped me up faster. ill check out this mod thanks to this comment!
It ruins it for me, I won't ever use it. I'm glad for people who do enjoy it though.
misrepresentation is probably the best point, I never thought of it that way. putting a disclaimer in the description that movement plus was used is a really good idea too
The default settings are way too overtuned imo. Its better if you reduce it to sane levels but most wont do that because it takes a lot of tweaking
Do you have a list of ideal settings ?
@@maxenswlfr1877did y oh find one?
Do you have one?
I don't use it, because I already enjoy the base game. But the only time I'll use MovementPlus is in a big custom map with a Sonic skin. MovementPlus is just too much for the vanilla maps.
Agreed,fits more with Sonic maps
The only problem to me when i used it at first is how ridiculous is to exploit and farm speed, doesn't feel fulfilling, granted, if feels gifted like, precisely as you say, as a speed boost and it SHOULDN'T feel that way, you should ear speed by playing with the geometry of the game, not just by spamming boost tricks and jumping, there's no much challenge on that and to me personally, it's just no fun
Tldr: i want to go faster, not flying without much control whatsoever
Good thing it has some customization tho, but at first glance can be a bummer
Movement plus wouldn't be nearly as necessary if some of the levels were just, less boring. Why is that plaza section in the mall so huge with almost nothing in it? Same with that really long section of Mataan. I'd much rather have a mod that just edits all the base game levels adds way more objects and routes to trick off of.
Yes this is a perfect idea! I would download that mod in an instant
@@LimitedEyehopefully someone makes one
As someone who thinks that BRC could use a little bit more speed, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like the mod goes too much against the intended design of the game. It's a cool mod and I'm glad people enjoy it though.
I never thought about it that way, I think a disclaimer at the beginning would be a really good way to mitigate the accidental scenarios where new players get scammed
You're such a goat for considering new players and adding a disclaimer that you're using movement plus
It's just boring to watch compared to the actual gameplay. It's less interesting. In fact it looks less deep than standard gameplay because half of you guys do nothing but fly around the map.
Solid vid overall dude, you are definetly not wrong when it comes to how the vanilla game feels after using movement plus. i decided that id try play vanilla a few days back and found that it wasnt as furfilling. This comes especially with the maps in the game when comparing vanilla to movement plus but with the new custom maps id say that movement pluss is way more versatile
Thanks for the compliment! But I agree, custom maps, especially the sonic ones, definitely benefit from movement plus. I honestly wrote the script for this around a month ago, before the custom maps were so prevalent.
Tried it out while browsing mods, instantly uninstalled it. To me, I see it more as a way to enjoy the game once you've beat it, and I don't have a problem with that. I do feel like it sort of goes again what team reptile has in mind, but to each their own I guess.
Well yeah it's probably not a good idea to mod the game at all for the first ever playthrough
@@humpsterthedumpster3653 But. But. Scout TF2
I believe it does ruin as I heavily agree with con#2 the speed kills the simplicity and the weight of how you do tricks and just trivialize the hard routes you take to get to a heaven spot I really love the wall splat tho it gives more depth to the mix of realistic bmx, skateboarding, rollerblading, and parkour with having a rocket powered backpack without abandoning the identity game has made for itself
OMG the Forest Interlude from DKC2!!
I put that track on a CD mix for my friend’s car about ten years ago, inbetween some boards of canada, aphex twin and four tet, I’ve never even played DKC2 so once I’d put it on the CD I couldn’t even remember who did it or where it was from, but I listened to that CD so much
One day we were at some stop lights and the car next to us asked to swap discs, I think they gave us some random D&B CD, but I hope they enjoyed my chill mix CD whoever they were
Anyway, I probably haven’t heard this track since then, so thank you for inadvertently bringing back that memory haha
Honestly I think the mod does ruin the core idea of the game a bit but I don't think the speed mod is necessarily bad
I think once custom maps start becoming more of a regular thing in bomb rush the mod will start to shine, I've already seen a video of someone playing a sonic inspired map using the movement plus mod and its insane
i think movement plus really doesnt work in the base game but on custom maps made with movement plus in mind it is an absolute blast. i think we just need more maps built around the mod
When I saw the Peter griffin video and other videos that used movement plus without me knowing, I was like “Yo I wanna buy the game and do that”
But when I did… I was perplexed. I thought maybe the people in those videos got so good at the moment, that there was some kind of technique that I wasn’t picking up on that made them go fast. And unfortunately I dropped BRC and went on to play Pseudoregalia, Spark 3 and the Rollin Rascal demo, which all have great momentum.
Now that I’ve seen this video, I understand why I was initially disappointed with the basic movement of BRC.
PS I do kinda wish now that Team Reptile gets this mod into the game officially some how.
Thanks so much for sharing! I knew this had happened to someone out there. I'm sorry to hear you were disappointed in the game. Hopefully in a sequel we'll get some more advanced/quicker movement.
@@caughtnappin_675 That’s not to say I won’t return to BRC. It’s still installed on steam, so I may return to it this week. Then once I beat it normally, I’ll install movement plus to see what that’s all about.
Constructive video, I enjoyed it!
I think it's all about the balance. I tweaked my settings to be a bit more subtle and turned off certain effects and I'm very happy with how the movement flows.
Shame you can't use it with multiplayer but it makes sense.
Your second pro is the biggest one, for me. It lets you jump off one line and latch onto another in ways that weren’t possible before.
I did my first playthrough vanilla, and really enjoyed ‘coloring inside the lines,’ but now I want to explore what’s possible by ‘coloring _outside_ the lines.’
I grew up with games like Tony Hawk (or Halo, Unreal Tournament…) that might’ve included a mode like this on the disk, whether as a cheat code, collectible, or new game+ option - which is exactly how I’m using it here.
Also using soap shoes so I can play the whole game on foot and feel like a Kingdom Hearts character with a boostpack.
I might be one of the few who loves how broken the MovementPlus x Wall Plant x Rebound mod combo is. I love being able to fly around like that.
I just play the switch version, i got used to the 60pfs after just after playing 30fps the first day the game dropped and it's nice won't change it for anything else, this kind of classic approach to games is what i like, pc is a totally different world people make crews add characters is a whole lot of content that idk if i could handle it.
I did my first run of the game without it.
But once I finish it I installed mods. And MovementPlus was absolutely awesome. I loved it.
thumbs up even though i hate the music
I'm a bit of a purist but I will admit, you got got me considering it.
My main worry was that it would've gotten crack for me and I wouldn't want to touch the old game again. But you mentioning you still appreciate the game without movement plus, and the fact that there's tons of custom maps now that work better with movement plus, kinda sold me
This was a great analysis on the mod and the ideas you conveyed throughout the video are exactly what i think about how this mod completely changes the preception of new players on the game.
I waited for brc for 3 years since they released the trailer in 2020 and when i finally got to play it, well i can definitely say the controls were not as i expected them to be in the first place but after i got the hang of them it was a pretty enjoyable experience, in fact i would say it's a step up from jsrf.
I really have never seen a need to improve the core gameplay mechanics, but i can definitely understand that feeling of having run out of things to do and crave for something new, like a dlc or more movement options.
What i really think is the problem here is not the newly added gameplay features but rather the speed is what's killing the way people view the game, brc was not designed to be like a sonic the hedgehog game, even though it would totally outperform it with the use of custom maps.
And as for the community, i have never really seen anyone complaining about the mod at first when it first came out (speaking for my ignorance, i haven't join back in 3 or 4 months), but honestly i think this game's community is so much more chill than from other game you could find out there, i really haven't seen any drama on it and in general i think everyone here has been very respectful and cool, but everyone has to remember that everyone chooses how to play the game. You can always install and uninstall the mod, anytime, free of charge. And no one is gaining an advantage over it, it's just a different way of enjoying the game, just how Ultrakill allows you to use cheats if you really can't fathom the complex control scheme and the barrages of bullets coming right at you.
I really appreciate that awareness is being brought into the matter with videos like this as i also think it's the best way to cut tensions between both sides and reunite the community again, as well as colectively look for a solution to how we should make use of this mod regarding how new players see it and how experienced players should use it as to not ruin the vanilla experience.
Thank you so much for taking the time to read my comment and i apologize if i made any mistakes, i'm not very good at english lol
TLDR: Game is great, mods are too. Play the game how you like the most :)
movement plus is overtuned for vanilla maps.
I turn it off for the regular game but I feel like particularly for custom maps like Sonic Riders Metal City they neeeeed MovementPlus or they're super slow
Walljump I freaking love and feels like it should have been part of the game but it's also OP with the original design of the game so I think in general yeah these mods "ruin" the original experience and you should wait until you have played most of the game vanilla/beaten it
It's a really good point though on how a lot of the videos new players will see of BRC might be really modded out and may be misleading (makes me grateful I got to experience the game from launch)
I don’t understand how something optional can ruin a whole game, and the mod is massively customizable the each person liking too. I could see how one could say it’s ruin by destroying the level design but you could also wait till you finish the game to download mods to preserve the original and intended experience. It could also be a game changing mod for people and change their entire outlook on the game in a good way
The misrepresentation is is pretty true. I bought the game after seeing gogeta going fast af all over the map
I was someone who played vanilla JSR and some of JSRF and absolutely loved those games. coming from those to BRC was soooo enjoyable, because it was a nice and clean transition from the controls that even expanded upon mechanics. This all being said, I was also one of the people who was exposed to movement plus before playing the game, unaware it was a mod.
While it was a let-down to know the high speed movement i was a little starry-eyed about was from a mod, i still to this day find myself playing more with the vanilla movement. Again, as a previous JSR player, these limited controls make for some satisfying strings when pulled off. For me, theres something to appreciate with the limited-ness of it all.
Movement plus is simply an add-on to me. It doesn't detract from the original game, because i'm still able to love and appreciate how vanilla movement ties the game all together. Movement+ is simply a new way to experience everything.
It's not a sentiment i've really heard myself, but it does dishearten me to think that others can have their experience ruined from the existence of a mod when the original game still is wonderful in its own right.
I think - pardon the pun, this mod might....
Shape, da future.
I have a feeling that if one of the game devs of BRCF played this, and if we ever got a BRCF2, they'd probably be like "this is garbage" when they first play movement plus but then when they go back to the main game - like you said, they might find the game too slow.
This sort of thing happened with Street Fighter 2 when Rainbow Edition hit the market, and it's a reason why turbo exists. I'd imagine hypothetically if we were to get BRCF2, there could be a "jetpack booster" upgrade that could be toggled to give an experience closer to movement plus. Maybe. Thats wishful thinking I guess
Edit: YOU'RE THE RING STYLE GUY?!
As a little speed gremlin that is obsessed with tight movements, small adjustments and breakneck speed, I love this mod.
I just hope they implement some of the features from the mod in a possible sequel
It seems like it's a great option for longer time players who have gotten bored with the basegame and might want to look into shaking things up a bit.
I think it does to a degree, it looks sick though. Hopefully the devs of the actual game pay attention and accommodate the fanbase in the future.
Really well made video! Hopefully there becomes a slopcrew version for movement+ so people can battle at super fast speeds!
I had to massively tweak Movement Plus in order to get something even close to what I considered more "vanilla" feeling gameplay and even then it's clear how much the game world was specifically made for the OG physics
Now the Style Switching mod I'm definitely keeping that on permanently. Double the tricks and slightly more variation in trick speed and manual times 😎
Short answer: Yeah
Long answer: Nah, actually no bc you can just NOT USE it
i definitely agree with the misrepresentation point you made. every time i saw the game players were moving so fast, then i played the game and i was going very slow. i still played and loved the game, but i didn't know about movement plus till just recently and realized all the gameplay i've ever saw used this mod. i've only started using movement plus yesterday and it's been fun to use
I use the more vanilla mod config that yuri put out and I'm loving it! Movement plus is just a tad too fast, but it's still super cool!
I like the idea of being rewarded with a speed boost for good skill but the lack of speed cap ruins it, going exponentially faster until you reach unreasonable speeds just isnt fun. But going idk. Twice as fast max? Looks fun
imo the best way to use movement plus is to use the "vanilla" config on the mod page, turn all the new mechanics on, and uncap all the maximum speeds. then you have the base game's movement but uncapped meaning you're more rewarded for skilled play, and with some added depth
For me, is an addition to the game. I haven't played it yet. I want to finish it 100% and then go to the movementPlus. Not only that, but I won't be making any content online about the game and just going to play it casually.
I have never played or even knew this game existed yet this video for a mod of a game Ive never played, found its way onto my front page...
welcome to the bomb rush cyberfunk community!… lol
absolutely great video man, movement plus is good, and i enjoy just playing for the speed and vibe, but the base game is and always will be better for me, both sides are good but theres something just special about playing the game the way it was intended!
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I think it’s best as an alternative way to play the game. I tend to switch back and fourth between vanilla movement to movement plus a lot. As fun as it is, I don’t think it’s superior to the vanilla gameplay, as m plus takes away the exploration aspect like looking around for outfits, cds, and graffiti spots. Although it’s a great option for whenever you’re feeling board from the base game.
I played the entirety of the base game without movement+ knowing it existed, because I knew that the second I installed it I would 100% never play without it. I was right.
I love the base game, but movement+ just elevates it to the next level for me.
I mainly just hope that the people who play this game, finish it or get close to the end before using the mod.
WE BOUTTA BECOME A SPEED DEMON WITH THIS MOD!!!!🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
im gonna be honest, i remember seeing a video of dante in brc with movement plus and i thought it was the base gameplay (i mean, like, not the obvious dante character mod). i wasnt too disappointed when i got brc, as i assumed that i could actually go that fast myself
I'd been waiting for BRC since around the first trailer, and when I realized that the game was as slow as it was, on top of having no wall running, or at the very least wall _planting,_ I refunded it. After getting it on sale a few months later, I got some mods my friend recommended me, movement plus and wall plant included. I never looked back. I've heard one of the biggest complaints about movement plus being how easy it was to build speed but, for me at least, it's never been an issue. Of course it's gotten easier as I've gotten better but I've never found a truly solid way to instantly gain a burst of speed like I see some people do.
The only problem I ever had with MP was the fast fall which felt a little intrusive in my parkour/slide based gameplay, so I disabled it pretty early on. Maybe that's why I can't build speed so fast? Regardless MP really has become the only way to play for me, and I'm glad I played through the entire game that way. Wall plant made the experience a lot more enjoyable too, I seriously can't fathom the reason as to why it isn't isn't a base feature. Sure it lets you skip some things or avoid intended routes, but isn't carving your own path what parkour games are all about?
Honestly, I think BRC would be a much better game if some of the levels were a little more open, the speed was a good bit higher, and there was more depth to the tricks and parkour. Movement Plus is awesome but I can understand why some people don't want to use it- the game straight up just wasn't built for it. That idea of building and carrying momentum, though, is so satisfying and leads to such fantastic and emergent gameplay, that I don't really understand why BRC didn't lean into it a little more.
Having extra movement options like the wall jump is nice but the speed is waaaaay to overblown
In a game designed with insane movement in mind such as Cloudbuilt, this would be the coolest shit ever.
But in this game, I always felt that achieving a nice flow with the moveset you have was the most fun part. Managing boost, tricks and even rail corners all contributed to a very fun sense of flow that made you feel quick, but not over-powered. Movement plus just kinda makes you skip everything. And it can be fun for a while, but gets shallow very quickly as insane amounts of speed are super easy to gain.
I personally didn’t mess with mods till after my first playthrough of the game and I think movement plus made the game more engaging and fun post game
would recommend a link to the mod and yuris youtube channel in the desc, will go find them after this, but figured thatd be a handy convienience for any future watchers
good recommendation, just updated the description
So I'm making this comment as an addendum to my previous one, I gave Movement+ a go (minus the wall plant and fast fall mod), and found out that there are settings to make the movement similar to vanilla. It did things like reduce how much speed you can accumulate and such, I'm not sure of all the intricacies. I think it functions as a good middle ground. I really like the sense of building speed and like having to worry about slopes that will either build up/decrease my speed. However, I'm not really a fan of how it feels like the combo system suffers. Not a huge fan of how difficult it is to accrue score and multiplier. Feels like leaning into rail turns is just to gain speed rather than combos. And frankly, I don't think the game's maps support the level of speed super well. Things are too condensed for you not to loop in on the map. Which is why I think the perfect use for Movement+ is custom maps. I absolutely loved how much speed I was able to get in maps like Emerald Coast and Metal City, as these maps let you both get speed and have the area that lets you move fast.
To be honest, what I feel could improve Movement+ exponentially would be an option in-game to either enable or disable it when the time needs it. It'd make it so much easier to participate in Score Battles/Races as well as to have the option to really move on larger custom maps. I'm unsure if such a thing could even be possible, nor if the mod creator is willing to look into it but I really think that a way to get the best of both worlds.
My biggest issue with it is definitely how crazy fast the game gets and how the maps just don't accommodate for it.
Besides, I like how BRC feels like a more refined and tigher JSRF, the massive changes just transform it into a completely different beast, which I don't like.
I like to use it on big custom maps, tho.
While the vanilla gameplay focus more on maintaining the combo Movement plus rather focuses on the "keep the momentum" stuff.
I really like the movement plus but i still feel that could coexhist with another mod that could focus and expand on that "keep the combo" design philosophy.
Yes
The vanilla movement is dope as fuck, especially with the advanced stuff like LGBTs (that's a real thing lol)
alot of the people saying that you go to fast with this mod must be forgetting the fact that you can change the speed of literally everything this mod adds lmao
for me, is not about ruining it. is just changing it, making BRC and BRC+the mod 2 different things. I rather go vanilla tbh
Imagine a sonic game that controlled like this... If only...
Just so everyone knows, the modder who created this mod also made a "vanilla friendly" version of it. It's faster than the vanilla game but definitely not as crazy as the default mod.
If it can helps. Also been using the mod for a while but I kind of like the fact that even with the "crazy" version of the mod, you have control over your speed, you can basically stay "slow" if you don't hard corner or frameboost too much.
Still, I think the Vanilla friendly version of the mod is better, as you can still enjoy the level design as it was intended.
MovementPlus should be an unlockable reward for beating the game. It can be toggled on or off on the main menu at any time.
MovementPlus could be really great. If only I had several hours of free time to reconfigure it into something satisfactory.
I've been playing with default settings and I generally enjoy it, except carpet sliding. That specific part is genuinely just a speed hack on default settings (and it totally ruins the carpet slide race track in Millennium Mall). Haven't tried tweaking anything yet, I'm sure my experience will be much better once I get around to that
movement+ carpet sliding speed boost starts to make alot more sense when you realise a ton of maps actually have these spots, even in the hideout
id say all the base game stuff is not ideal to play with movement+ cus it was designed without it in mind, but its great when you wanna get really involved with the mechanics
I have been using the mod since release and I'm considering on disabling it.
While it's a fun mod, it does disrupt the big mod that connects us Sloppy players together.
I think that after a while, I got tired of being fast and I just like to chill.
I feel like movement plus is really nice to play with if you already mastered the game and want to mess around
I just do both movement + and vanilla i love both moving around at high speed and then on my other save finding the correct paths to complete levels i just love the game tbh
Yes it does, it ruins the game, it ruins the core concepts of the game, it ruins the level design of the game, it ruins the entire kit of abilities you have bc it's just so overly reliable, it is by all means a terrible addition to the game, doesn't mean people can't have fun with it, if they do, that's fine, but just know that it is not, by any means, a well thought out mod at all
as someone who hasnt played the game, it seems like the most ??? mod out of all of them. it *is* just a speed hack essentially, every time i see it it makes it less interesting. those high speeds arent as cool when you can just get them really easily
Yeah I agree with that
ill probably try movement+ again since it does look like a genuinely cool experience, but i did not like it at first LOL the speed looked and felt awkward in maps that are too cramped for it. the windmill area in pyramid hill is like, a perfect use of movement+, i think custom maps with more open areas/larger maps would make it feel/look better to me personally. but wouldnt i bash anyone who uses it .
gave it another try and holy shit is it a lot of fun! really glad i decided to give it a second chance
I just started moding the game and been having alot of fun, Yeah ik the fast movements were mods for sure but i wanted to try it. It is definitely tricky with the default settings and im getting the hang of it but i can go with or without movement plus.
I think with a lower movement speed, movement plus would be welcome on my mods list. Yes, it is very manageable with the speed it currently functions at. But the game upon release really felt more about flow than just zip zoomin everywhere on the map. But combine a more flowy speed with the current trick mods and whatnot, think it'll be something gold.
Add a variable slider for how fast you want the character to move. Easiest solution. Not everyone wants to go fast.
Overall I feel pretty much the same
i understand this pov but i personally dont have an issue with swapping between movement plus and vanilla movement, i just have to remind myself "ok this isnt modded"
i Want multiplayer with movement plus.
Feels like more of a preference thing. Just play how you want to play bomb rush
I mean I personally don't like it but other people can enjoy it. I would only use it for sonic levels, and even then, I would use the lower settings
I like the down boost and wall jump. I feel like that should have been in vanilla. I will say I am one of the people who was gaslit by people using this mod "what 200hrs in bomb rush looks like." And it was a Hatsune Miku whizzing around the map at breakneck speed. I got the game and got the Miku mod and played vanilla all the way through. I prefer the chill gameplay, but movement plus is definitely really cool on some custom maps.
I think it absolutely does.
Traditionally in video games, classic nes/snes/genesis era games denoted items with a + sign to show the player that it was better than the original NON + item/thing.
Movement PLUS doesnt do that. Why do i think that? Mainly because it doesnt work in the sandbox that its in. Just going fast isnt enough .
If movement plus was a mod that added a slew of individual features that moved the needle further in overall movement not just make it go faster. Then this would be a different conversation.
However, every single video ive seen of this game that has movement plus js just a dude going so fast that they can barely control their character and as a viewer you barely see what is happening.
A real movement plus would be like the differences in traversal from spiderman 1 to spiderman to. The new ps5 games that is. A good example of evolution of traversal.
If they evolved the traversal like that. Id be on board
very good video! only gripe is that it seems a bit silly that even after you specifically noted you can change the speed and settings in pro #3 the literal first entry in the cons list is "it's too fast" lol
now I've never used the mod personally, but my answer to the question posited in the title and video is still a no.
I've noted my opinion on con #1 already, and I think the only actual valid downside on the list would be con #2 since that's is actually something caused purely by the environments not being meant for the mod's added functionality. #3 is less a con of Movement Plus and more an incompatibility issue on the other mod's part, though not for invalid reasons as M+ would give an unfair advantage against vanilla players. #4 is also not a fault of M+ because communities split on silly things all the time lmao, really it's more a problem of people's perspective than a fault of the mod. #5 is a close second for most valid concern, but imo that's still a fault of creators not labeling their mod usage and people not looking into the game any further before buying it.
as I said before: overall great video. very solid in terms of editing and ideas. I do think most of the cons weren't really things that are faults of the mod and only served to unnecessarily pad out the cons column, but that didn't detract from my enjoyment much at all. keep up the great work on your videos and thanks for the entertainment!
Thanks for the comment. I could have been more concise with my points, i agree with you there. I tried to present the cons in a way that an average person who didn’t know much about the mod might think. A first time user might not know it’s customizable and just assume the mod is only fast. I also agree that it’s not necessarily the mod’s fault for creating a divide, more of a personal thing as you said. Either way it’s still a catalyst for some people to feel that way. Appreciate the compliments!
It turns the game into a different game. Which some people may like, some may not. For one, though, the vanilla locations surely aren't designed for those amounts of speed, so that's one thing you could say "ruins" the game if you are using that mod. But not the mod itself.
I think overall it does ruin it but I also think it's fine to mess around with once you're done with everything and just wanna mindlessly run everywhere and essentially skip over level design.
That being said some stuff like wall jumps and floor slam etc I think are fine because they kinda just give you more stuff to work with while not removing the core of the intended gameplay but the speed and added jump height are what truly ruin the proper experience.
I think modding it enough to make it like a tony hawk game would be a perfect balance of added freedom and intended gameplay
I don’t like bounce, its more fun to play for momentum then use rail inclines for big jumps
i stopped using for three reasons: online activities such as combo battles, it being unusable (well impractical i guess) on some great maps like sony hawk, and because when you do slides on the intended slide areas it goes ballistically fast which can be a bit annoying at times when you want more control. its a fantastic mod though and adds so much depth alongside wallplant and bounce that i almost feel bad when i do turn it off, but sometimes the trade off (especially the first two points) is too much for smaller maps and online combo battles. i do use it when im already familiar with a map though
if you can adjust all of the values yourself, just turn the speed down a lot
Ducklord approves.
Personally I dont see anything bad with it, It's just that its simply too overpowered for the base game maps. for bigger custom maps, it fits right in.
For example it breaks the mall's design easily, but say the Grand Metropolis mod from Sonic Heroes, its perfect.
Yes
its the reverse for me, i cant see the appeal of jumping over the entire map back and forth that shit just looks and feels really boring but advanced movement in any game is a plus in general
Is there anyway you can rock movement plust with the vanilla speed? I just like the new movement options on top of the vanilla speed and moveset.
you should be able to tune everything down in the config settings on your mod manager. i’m not sure what variables to use exactly but it’s possible
Some of yall some babies bruh😭
Movement plus doesn't ruin the game, it just doesn't appeal to a lot of folks. A lot of the people i see using the mod like blasting off at super speed, and to me I feel like i'm missing most of the level and experience if i'm just zooming through.
As a giant momentum addict, I have to say yes.
I don't only use MovementPlus; I use the no speed cap mod too. So it's double the fun.
Playing the base game is like how people describe playing a 60 fps game on Switch. Although I never really complain about it,.
I loved the base game on day 1, but once these mods entered the picture it became a different game for me.
The number 1 thing that was ruined was definitely combat. Movementplus' combat giving me more momentum sold me on this.
I doubt I'll ever enjoy base again due to it, but hell this may convince Team Reptile to focus more on momentum in a sequel.
But even then, the modding community will go crazy with that as well.
On a side note, I have a similar issue with Sonic 3 Air, I use the Sawnick mod way too damn much base game is like playing with a giant lag spike in comparison.