The Unfair Treatment of Rachel Zegler
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2023
- Did you know that Rachel Zegler originally turned down the role of Lucy Gray Baird in the 'Hunger Games'? This movie is filled with fascinating behind-the-scenes details and lore, which we dive into on this episode of #ShareYourScreen with Nicky Reardon and Coco Mocoe!
In this episode, we discuss:
1. Coco's reaction to Hunger Games: Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes movie
2. Alma Coin + President Snow Theory
3. Rachel Zegler's previous tweets about the Hunger Games franchise
4. How they cast Tom Blyth as Coriolanus Snow + Rachel Zegler as Lucy Gray Baird
5. Why she initially turned down the role
6. Rachel's past rejections before her big break
7. Jacob Elordi vs. Rachel Zegler hate for "I need a job" comments
8. Jacob Elordi vs. Austin Butler 'Elvis' potrayals
9. Matt Rife controversial Netflix special
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Rachel is the perfect Lucy. No one would ever compare to her shes amazing
Rachel zegler got a lotta hate during the Shazam era because she confessed that she took the role because she needed a job.
Then, when Shazam got released, it under-performed in the BO and Rachel was defending the film relentlessly on Twitter. So ppl didn't like to see her acting like an entitled child for a movie that she wasn't emotionally invested in.
I hv seen her interviews and she seems very assertive. Since she's a newcomer and WOC, ppl expect her to be docile. I know nothing about PR but i have seen Jennifer Lawrence(well not defending some of her behavior) and Anne Hathaway suffer so i don't want to see Rachel be affected by negative publicity because she's incredibly talented.
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I’m so glad I’m seeing these because Rachel Zegler just had opinions and people got mad
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Talking Bad about a classics when You are the main character it's a opinion? Ohhh wooow
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@@nataliaberrios3155 yes....that is the definition of an opinion. she is allowed to think whatever she wants about the original, and what she said wasn't that bad. she was scared of the movie as a child and said the prince was weird (specifically a stalker, which isn't exactly true, but he talked to snow white maybe once and then proceeded to kiss her while she was dead. that's weird behavior that absolutely wouldn't fly in the 2020s). gal gadot, the evil queen, was literally standing there agreeing with her; go hate her too then
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Yes she went directly from London to Poland to film the arena scenes. I don't think they cast Josh without knowing what they were doing. Josh did a great job and it was a good casting, but I believe Nina Jacobson was aware that Josh was Rachel's boyfriend. Rachel was always Francis Lawrence's first choice based on her WSS performance. . Rachel submitted an audition tape where she sang "I Feel Pretty" in Spanish in response to a open call for audition tapes for WSS. They liked it, asked for more, and the rest is history.
Wow! So many layers but I am so glad it worked out in everyone's favor. The movie was so great. I was blown away at Josh's performance. He was perfect for the role, as well. Can't wait to see what everyone goes on to do with their careers after this movie. Rachel is a new favorite for me. -Coco
Yeah I never believed it was a coincidence that they cast Josh. Like c'mon, the have been in this industry for a long time, they did know he was Rachel's boyfriend. I'm ok with that though, Josh fit the character perfectly.
it's crazy how Rachel and Josh Hutcherson's casting for the Hunger Games parallel a lot, both were dreams for them, and a good chunk of the fanbase, but were also both controversial among a good chunk of the fanbase as well for differing from the likenesses described in the books. Yet have come to be loved by many after their debuts came out
I honestly feel bad for Rachel. She made a few comments with an attitude that definitely gave “I’m being funny, I’m excited about the project, and Disney has given me the go ahead”. And it didn’t come off like that but it’s not shocking - fans of Snow White are probably some of the most traditional Disney fans and they were never going to love a remake that was more modern in tone. Fans of Snow White were NOT fans of Snow White & the Huntsman, which was definitely a darker and more modern/independent woman remake. Rachel just gives young actor who was given a message and let off without a leash and now people can’t get over it. I’m not going to say it’s about her being a young WOC; I think it’s more because Kissing Booth fans know it’s junk food entertainment and it’s not beloved like Snow White is.
Also, when did loving the movies you’re in become a requirement for starring in them? Are we not going to act like actors aren’t people who also just have to take work to make money? We’ve all done work we hate and it’s not a matter of being ungrateful - it’s just a matter of necessity.
Point being, props to her for trying to work through this backlash as best as she can and props to people who are able to give valid criticism.
Also i don’t really see a attitude I mean people always call out Latinas for attitudes and she doesn’t have one she just has theater kid energy and she is a theater kid
You guys breakdown things so well! Also your analysis on Matt Rife is so on point. I think a lot of people are not ready and companies don’t even want to take the time to train them because they are looking for quick money off of internet fame.
Thank you so much for watching! Glad you enjoy our breakdowns and agree with our take about Matt Rife. -Coco
she definitely does not deserve all the hate she got like she only got that hate for being a young POC woman. like everything jacob elordi has been about the kissing booth movies was what she got hated on and it is completely unfair.
however I do understand why so many people were mad about snow white like she was very rude about the prince charming actor joking about his lines being cut given how girlboss the movie was going to be and this whole idea snow white is stronger as an independent leader who is not wanting true love does not sit right with people. Like a big part of snow white is that she went through terrible shit and still has that kindness and want for love and something better and she isn't any less of a strong woman because she still wants true love. This does not undermine some arguably creepy aspects of the original like kissing an unconscious comatose woman but I just think a lot of people was just not cool about how she was about snow white as a character at all.
Tbh, the Snow White controversy still sounds like an excuse for people to hate on Rachel Zegler. Before she made her comments, I hardly saw anyone aside from children, this passionate about Snow White.
@greentea673 I definitely don't think it deserves to be passionate burning hatred like the Internet is giving. I think it's just a very unfortunate situation that she decided to be that way about a beloved disney character and have this kind of overreaction when she's only still so young.
I definitely am worried about how the film is gonna turn out given her comments but I don't feel hate 🤣🤣🤣
@@itskimforkim-yi Lol, what do you mean she 'decided'. Disney has been trying to "update" their classics disney movies to fit modern sensibilities for a decade now with their live action movies. I have my criticisms on their lukewarm ideas interpretations of feminism, but this isn't Rachel Zegler's original take.
@greentea673 who knows really because all actors have to do what they can to support their film (although she seems to be someone who is always honest). I just think there's a very fine line to updating Disney and straight up changing who an iconic character is meant to be 🤷🏻♀️ But that's just my interpretation 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
I love Rachel she's amazing in Hunger Games! So who knows maybe the film won't be so bad but from what's said, who Snow White has been fundamentally changed.
@@itskimforkim-yi then take that up with Disney themselves who is updating their own canon. Rachel Zegler didn’t write the script for the live action movie
She literally ate up the role. She ate up every song, especially the one after she won the games??? 🤭 I hope there is another book and movie
i’m always looking for new podcasts to watch but i haven’t been able to vibe with a new one for a while but i really enjoyed this one!! i’ll definitely be watching more of your videos and catching up on the lore lol
I’m such a huge fan of you two, I can’t believe how little subscribers you have. I’ve been watching your videos probably since you started making shorts and I’m so glad that I did. And wow, everything you guys discuss is so relevant to the randomness I do 😭 like this video got posted the day after I finished reading ballad of songbirds and snakes!!
Nah Fam, Coin is definitely not Lucy Gray. They are so different and it totally misses the point of the story's subject. And I also don't think that she is related to her. It doesn't always have to be family trauma-passed-by-generations to understand that a rebellion must be formed against some regime like the capitol´s. Same goes for a relation between Katniss and Lucy. We are so trained by bad plotted/ bad written YA Novels, that we only understand connections through family anymore. In real life family means almost nothing for the own rage against society's problems.
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Yayyyyy so excited for you to all see this episode!
Thank you all so much for watching! ❤ Let us know what other topics you want us to dive into for the rest of 2023
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Millie Bobby Brown as like a 9yr old or something had the main role in a show called Intruders which was WILD. There's this cult of immortals who when they die, reside on the other side until their comrades can procure them a new compatible host body that they then possess and take over the life of. Millie is possessed by this like 400yo serial killer who's a massive misogynist with a really foul mouth and watching this tiny little girl say all those lines was crazy. Its worth watching cause its just a good show, plus hearing what comes out of her mouth really cracked me up.
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She took an edible and started calling out all the fake shit 😂😂💕
Can they just stop making live action remakes already. I’m so tired of all the drama 🙄🙄🙄 give POC our own new stories so everyone can relax. Idgaf about Snow White but Rachel zegler acted and sang her ass off in hunger games and I’m sure that will be better than whatever nonsense Snow White is going to be anyway
WE CAN HAVE BOTH 😂😂😂
Plus why do people of color have to work 10 times as harder as their white peers to come up with something original. We already have white fairy tales but black people have to create new ones? Why? That is freaking annoying.
Everyone has certain beliefs or preconceived notions and for whatever reason Disney is a MASSIVE phenomenon that many get up in arms with. I understand both sides to this. HOWEVER, I don’t think it’s something to even fight over. If she fights the part as a character or person, that should be the stand alone reason to just leave things like that alone. Also, on the other side, I think RZ did come off pretty entitled and condescending (whether that’s been manipulated by the media and public, that’s a different topic) way. IMO though, I think she was just very eager, excited, and happy for where she was in her career and possibly tried to play that Jennifer Lawrence type. Just the blunt totally honest gifted actor and it was all delivery, for me. That’s what made me feel a little cringe with RZ, the delivery. Again, I do think there’s things that are worth fighting on or for, and her being cast as Snow White, is just very low on my concerns for society as a whole. I think the live action movies are all not great, and really would love to see brand new stories that show inclusion. Like Moana. That’s what was so great about that movie, it shows people that are very much minorities and it showed a strong, vulnerable, and intelligent, but also naive young girl. It was multi faceted and it was brand new! That’s what we need. Brand new stories for everyone to see and connect with because we can’t evolve if we are just up cycling the same old tales over and over.
yeah, people are acting like a young new actress who needs a little bit of PR training is the worst person in the world. the clips that people circulate are literally from a disney event from over a year ago; if disney had a problem with what she said, they would've done something way before people decided to start yelling about it. at the same event, she was also going around praising all the creatives involved and being generally really excited about the project. she also posted all the time about things that reminded her of snow white in everyday life (before the hate mob got to her). like you said, could she have worded things better? yeah, for sure, but people have taken some very short, out of context clips and fucking RUN with it.
I will say that the introduction of the “mentor” mirrors the role of Effie in the original trilogy, someone from the Capitol who can help these kids learn how to present themselves. Just wanted to make that point, that the title changes, but the role is more like Effie’s, and Haymitch’s mentorship role wasn’t created yet.
Halle Berry was not in Little Mermaid.
When Matt Rife went on the Cancelled podcast I think Tana was acting her normal self but Matt was not Vibing with Brooke's humor lol Tana said she thinks Matt acted like that cause he was scared of saying something and getting cancelled lol
Jacob Elordi didn't even sing.
He played a glorified Halloween costume and did nothing that had anything to do with Elvis other than dress up in the costume.
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Love all your episodes ❤❤❤❤
i asked my friend to spill the tea on Saltburn lol! i love spoilers too, i def recommend Saltburn. It sounded so mind f*cky !
Jacob and Rachel are friends btw
I flip flop when it comes to spoilers. If it’s a movie or show that I really am looking forward to seeing, I will avoid spoilers at all costs. But other than that I will watch deep dives and reviews on things I don’t even plan on watching. I also tend to spoil a lot of video games for my self but that’s cuz I’m impatient and also suck at video games but love them
I love Rachel Zegler people were so mean to her and I never understood it I feel like what she said wasn’t wrong also loved her in Hunger Games and love her personality and she is so pretty ❤
I think the Hate was piled on a lot more than expected but I can see why people are upset. It’s not always about WHAT is said but HOW it’s said or comes across. People like Jacob Elordi tend to be more soft spoken and gentle in their opinions. Rachel often does come off as very entitled (just read some her tweets where she has been very harsh and rude - and there are PLENTY). There are definitely signs of narcissism in her. Watch her interview of Jimmy Fallon where she accidentally reveals and then is forced to admit that she’s always in line for the Snow White ride so she can get recognized by people. Also just watch the clip where she’s interviewed during the SAG AFTRA strike when she complains about having to stand around all day in the dress of an iconic Disney princess. Like she doesn’t even realize how narcissistic, whiny and entitled the things she says come off… it’s weird
It sounds like yall haven't watched the movie lol 😂 but i don't think president coin is lucy AT ALL it makes no sense since their personalities are so different. Makes no sense that lucy goes from beong an artist to being interested in military and war... no natter the resentment i don think that would be her way of coping
I disagree. 'Don't Worry Darling' was a movie I was anticipating but then the ending where you find out it's an experiment and she's basically been abducted .. all the woman. It was just poor writing. Very cool plot.
I hate this thing of “who cares it’s a cartoon” like people clearly care💀so the sooner we agree on that and just discuss the topic for what it is, the better.
No girl you don't get... the hunger games IS IN THE FUTURE WITH THEIR HIGHTECH TOYS... but the district working class only look like they're in the 1920 because they DO NOT get to play with he expensive hightech toys
Snow Brown will never hit.
agree with poc playing disney characters. who cares! it’s not meant for the disney adults who feel oppressed for some reason, it’s meant for the kids.
rachel zegler is not a person of color tho, being a latin descendant doesn't make you colored because latin is not a race, there is white latins (and that's what she is)
Nobody will watch snow brown. Look how Little Mermaid flopped. Give POC their own stories.
Am I the only one who didnt like Rachel's acting? 😂 I love her singing, but some of her lines sound so unnatural
its pretty privilege
If you actually do your research on where the Disney princesses are from yoy would see why changing the skin colour of them does not make sense at all
Rachel is white. Learn the difference between ethnicity and race.
@@BrokeBlackWoke lmfao are you color blind.... she is half columbian
@@BrokeBlackWoke how would a columbian get to Germany 400 yrs ago? Make it make sense
@@saskia7214 who cares its a cartoon from 90 years ago
@@80smodel63 and there are still lessons to be learnt
Brett Cooper FTW
Show White is part of German folklore, so you don’t think a story that belongs to a group of people should be treasured and respected by being portrayed by people of that phenotype instead? So it’s Ok if a blonde blue eyed guy wants to play Tiana? You are ridiculous
Rachel is literally German and Tiana race is part of her story and character
@@carterryans Rachel is biracial - Colombian and POLISH, she is not German. And you don't think fairy tales about a girl literally called SNOW WHITE is not about race or skin color? LMAO!
I'm German and I don't care. Why would you even care what happens to our culture and our treasures? We really don't need you to gatekeep our cultural inheritance, instead take care of your own. Thanks.
And Rachel Zegler is not German. She's American. Having a far far away ancestor being German/French/Italian doesn't make you German/French/Italian. Sandra Bullock, Leonardo DiCaprio, Michael Fassbender - they have really close ties to Germany. Still, not German.
Love the idea of an official “this week in pop culture” recap 🤍
we did it in the upcoming episode too! hehehe
Brett Cooper's Snow White & the Evil Queen > Rachel Zegler's Dirt Brown & the 7 Diversity Hires
disgusting racist human being.
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Brett isn't even half as talented as Zegler. You can hate her, but no one with a brain can deny her talents.
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Chad Brett Cooper > Virgin Rachel Zegler
She ain’t gonna fuck you bro. Especially from what we see 😬
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@@alexslusher16 What did anything I say have to do with social justice. I only commented anything cause you were just annoying spamming the same type of comment
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