Fallout London: Why You Should Be Worried
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- If you're a Fallout 4 fan and curious about the Fallout London mod, you should be worried! Learn about the concerns, mistakes, bugs, and glitches the dev team is facing in this huge mod project.
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Watch the official release trailer announcement here: • Fallout London - Offic...
Fallout: London is a DLC-sized mod for Bethesda’s Fallout 4. As a continuation of the base game, the mod will allow the player to visit the previously unexplored post-apocalyptic environment of London.
As a divergence from previous official titles in the series, Fallout: London is not set in America. Visiting a totally new setting allows for us to explore totally new cultures which have not homogenized with their American counterparts. It also allows us to explore pre-war European history, and the effects the Resource Wars had on the class structured society of pre-war Britain. - Hry
great video. whole lot of simping in the comment section here lol
it's like any criticism gets people riled up and fking mad like they're in a fight or flight situation
Yep! Everyone just simping and not using their brain. I always thought the Fallout community were smart, but I'm rethinking that position.
@@ThisisCitrus At the modder C3 event, ESO youtuber asked them that the update would most likely arrive after the TV show dropped, they said they had that in mind, and that they would figure it out when it comes. So they knew the update was going to come around April... So you're correct, I smell the lies, which is a bad sign. A shame it'll cast a bad light on modders who do it for passion and not clout
@@ThisisCitrus "Anyone who has a different position than me and criticizes me are just simps". That's a pathetic way to "be open to criticism" like you claim to be.
@@Scyborg832 Never said that, my dude. You can criticize me all you want, unlike the FOLON devs I won't ban people or delete criticizing comments. If you have a different position thats fine, but be ready to back it up.
@ThisisCitrus "Everyone just simping and not using their brains" literally above these comment. That is the exact same thing as what I said, mine is just rephrased to be more apparent. If you can explain how that quote is not similar to what I said, I'll give you a cookie. But keep pretending you're "open to critique" and not just plugging your ears going la la la anytime someone explains why your points are poorly reasoned.
Why should I worry about a free "game" essentially, that was made by volunteers in their off time?
Watch the video and you'll see why the "free" argument is bull shit and worthless.
@@ThisisCitrusI watched it, and the only bullsh*t i could find was created by you.
The mod itself is free, but if you want to support them financially, you can give them some money. This allows them to purchase assets, get licenses, hire VA's and increase the overall quality. Which is a good thing.
@@ThisisCitrus What? Your argument is that it being free doesn't excuse poor game design. In principal I agree with this, but in this case it is FULLY free. Like, you aren't sacraficing anything to play this mod. If you don't like it, it doesn't effect anything.
@@ThisisCitrus The dev team doesn't owe you anything. They make money from their patrons - the patrons give them money KNOWING the risks. They aren't going to get anything out of it apart from a game.
fr entitled much
Who hurt you?
Your mom last night, things got a bit rough.
@@ThisisCitrus @ThisisCitrus good to see your effort at comebacks is similar to your effort at your videos.
The bar is so low for Fallout content I'm surprised you managed to Limbo under it. It's ridiculously audacious to criticise the FO: London when you yourself can't even come up with a unique idea in a segment of CZcams with such low standards. The whole rage bait thing isn't going to work if you can't come up with any ideas outside of that.
@@Klowd_Eater I dunno, 3k views on my 3rd video is pretty good. Where's your CZcams channel bro? Or you just sitting in your mom's basement being a keyboard warrior defending a mod that ISNT EVEN OUT YET.
@ThisisCitrus we going all caps? Life is pretty sad on your end if a mod being delayed gets you full tilt, brother.
@@Klowd_Eater 4 words out of 40 is all caps for you? Life must be pretty sad on your end if some random youtube video about a mod that isn't out yet being delayed gets you full tilt, my dude.
So to summarize, regular people heard about this and backburnered it; you got obsessed and are angry that a team of amateurs took too long to develop a massive game because they've profited whole pennies per labor hour they've invested. The game they're developing for was supposed to be a stable, final release but was substantially patched a couple months before their release date. That patch broke their mod for most users of Fallout 4; the team decided they want most users of Fallout 4 to be able to access their content, which caused delays.
I hope all your content's not like this, because this is a childish whine session.
Indeed.. this dude is basically a child throwing a tantrum.
bro.
there are so many bad mods out there that got tremendous complains after release.
just because these complains here came before release doesn't make them less valid.
Sounds like you didn't watch the video, as I debunked everything you said.
@@ThisisCitrusyou say Debunked like the opinions you state are facts.
Nobody cares how long they are taking. Why are you obsessed enough to care, yet still clearly like it enough to make a video.
Toxic simp baby with half a haircut.
@@ThisisCitrus we all watched it dude, I want my time back such a bullshit excuse. Why don't you make Cinema quality videos? why are you so slow?
bait video
No bait, I talked about why people should be worried about the project.
i think they're just waiting for bethesda to finish all their updates, one of these updates from bethesda made modding impossible since it makes your game stutter if npc face gen files are changed in anyway, so people are forced to play an older version of fallout 4
Doubtful, the biggest updates to the game as part of the next gen update are here. There's probably a bunch of stuff that it broke that they can fix. Anything from here on out is likely to be easier to fix.
But, I'm not on the team, so who knows.
They are not waiting, FOLON said they have an internal fixed date they will release on. Also they said the NPC problem isn't a problem for them, the devs specifically said this. They could have released FOLON for a working version of Fallout 4, just like Enderal did, which is bigger that FOLON.
Ya i tried to contact they ban if you dont praise everything, also the leads bbc interview he acts like they are bethesda
Yeah I've been hearing more and more of people being banned in their discord if you criticize them at all. It's sad.
Yea this bothers me so much. I dont really follow the updates or whoever they are as a team, as a person. But when the guy talks as if Bethesda OWES them a heads up of any updates, he's delusional lol Bethesda is a legit company with the legit fallout rights and NDAs with contracts etc who are they? There are still limits and they should know
@@ThisisCitrus The U.K. does not have the First Amendment right, is why.
can my character be invisible at will? is there invisibility in fallout london?
Bro you are goofy. The game is gonna be good, their lack of communication (entirely valid as bug testing could take long and the desire to have internal flexibility is understandable) does not cast doubt on the entirety of the project. Genuinely such a silly take.
First and last video I watched by this goof. “Games gonna be glitchy” go make a massive MOD yourself and release it bug/glitch free then.
I hope it's going to be good! I want to play it, but if they are handling the game like they handled the release, I'm worried it'll be a a buggy mess.
@@troke7120 Not the point, moron. Why does every simp turn to "make a mod yourself." Enderal set a precedent for game sized mods, and FOLON fumbled hard so far.
@@ThisisCitrus But you couldn’t possibly know that they’ve fumbled. The presupposition that it’ll be buggy is only based on the fact that they have an internal release date scheduled that they haven’t made public, a fact that you take issue with, and the decision they made to delay the release date to make the game accessible to all players without having to back up the game. Say what you want about the decision to push back release, but nothing about that decision compromises any trust that we, the consumers, have in the dev team to produce a quality and largely bug-free experience. I could be wrong and it could be buggy, but that’s not gonna be because they decided to push the date back. So until then, I’m forced to assume that they’re gonna deliver on a quality product as they’ve said they were going to.
@@maxdeloach3712 But they did fumble. The game was ready to launch on April 25th and they blamed bethesda for delaying it, using them as a scapegoat. Two months later, mod isn't out and they had to release a statement saying it'll be out in "days/weeks", then the PR team had to come out with another statement and correct the original statement by saying "its more likely in several weeks." They fumbled the launch, I hope they don't fumble the mod itself and it launches good, that's why I am concerned.
you need to find something else to obsess over. this aint it
Nah I'm good, but appreciate the concern.
@@patricksweeney6334 Nah, I just have a brain and use it, unlike FOLON simps who blindly accept anything.
I am not worried personally and the team has been relatively open about the ongoing issues on Discord. The Fallout 4 Script Extender was fixed, yes. However, that was only the first step. There are mods built into FO:LON that depend on F4SE that have not yet been fully fixed, specifically relating to the extended dialogue system. That's not on Team Folon, but the authors of those mods.
The team has now confirmed that they WILL be releasing a last-gen stable version of FO:LON though, despite originally stating they did not want to resort to doing that. So that's some positive news at least.
Bottom line is, modding is just as hard as actual game development and just as much a thankless task. Developers across the industry from modders, to indies to AAA devs have to put up with some off the vilest shit online, and most of the time are not the ones at fault. Even worse for modders when the base game gets an update that breaks all of your hard work. I've suffered with that myself, and you're entirely at the mercy of the studio at that point. And sure the team gets donations, but compared to the revenue AAA studios get for putting in just as much work, it'll be small change.
So no, I do not worry about FO:LON. I'm looking forward to the release, but I'm keeping busy and waiting patiently, working on my own stuff and playing other games. People just need to lay off and let the team do the work they need to do. Not pile on more stress than they are no doubt under already. I've seen plenty of people criticising the mod and the team on Discord. The people getting banned probably need to learn that you can do so without being an arsehole.
The problem is that team FOLON has been constantly lying. The F4SE argument might hold up, except that we're getting FOLON for the pre-next gen patch version of Fallout 4, the one where F4SE works perfect and so do all the mods. So that argument falls apart.
The issue isn't that modding is hard and this is a big project, the issue is them lying and constantly changing the story and having to do damage control instead of just being honest and transparent.
Everyone made the same excuses for Fallout Frontier, and look what became of that mod.
@@ThisisCitrus What exactly have they lied about though? I must've missed something. From what I recall, they delayed the mod because Bethesda planned to release the next-gen update a couple of days after their planned release date. They did not want to support two different versions of the mod, so they delayed the whole thing. After the next-gen update, a lot of mods were broken and even the base game had some major issues. F4SE was broken as it is with every patch and update, but was fixed after a couple of weeks.
However, a lot of mods that were waiting on the F4SE update were also broken and needed to be patched. A significant issue was the extended dialogue interface mod, which FO:LON requires. XDI was not updated until June 6th 2024, and people are still reporting significant issues with it.
However, it now turns out that Team Folon have gone back on their word and stated that they WILL now be releasing a last-gen version of the mod. Something that, again, they did not want to do. I don't think it would be fair to say that they lied about that. The situation changed. Fallout 4 is still broken on PC with the next gen update over two months later and so Team Folon have had to bite the bullet and release a last-gen version while continuing to work on the next-gen version. So now they'll need to do patches and bug fixes on both version as players get their hands on it. I do not envy them that at all.
If the mod releases and it is unplayable due to its bugs, yes, hold the team accountable. If it contains the kind of rancid shit that appeared in Frontier, yes, hold them accountable. If they have to delay, just be patient. They are also at the mercy of GOG's processes in terms of the release date as well, so just because they have a stable version that's ready to go, there are still hoops to be jumped through.
Regardless of what happens, I guarantee people are probably going to be disappointed and say things like, "This needed another year in the oven." It's exactly what I saw with the game I worked on after people bitched and moaned about the delays, and then those same people review bombed the thing when it was finally pushed out saying it felt rushed and needed more development time. Double standards at it's finest.
Like I said originally, I'm not going to worry about FO:LON and I'm certainly not going to harass the team working on it over the release date. I'm going to get on with my life and wait for the announcement. If you don't count the days or weeks you've waited, you might be pleasantly surprised when it does eventually drop.
@@monsterurby They blamed Bethesda because of the next gen update, as you say. But then a dev posted on reddit that that statement wasn't actually true, they said the next-gen update gave them the choice of either release the mod as is or delay it and get it ready for the next-gen update. Then recently they came out and said we actually are getting both versions, the pre-next gen version and the post-next-gen version.
They said the mod will release in "days/weeks" which they then had to stay that was actually false and it'll actually release in several weeks. Which we're at 3 weeks right now, one more week and we'll be at a month. It's been a non-stop stream of them saying things and then going back on what they said having to either correct the statement or just disproving the statement all together.
They used the next-gen patch and Bethesda as a scapegoat when it was their own choice to delay, and even then we're still getting the version they said was ready to launch on April 23rd, but two months later it's not out yet.
It's a mess, to say the least.
@@ThisisCitrus OK, so it sounds to me like it's a large team and they contradict one another a lot. That's indeed not great, but I don't think it's something worth getting mad or worried about. I would just disregard anything that isn't an official announcement on Discord or CZcams.
The trouble I had the other day was finding out which developer said they were doing a last-gen release and where it was announced. Turned out to be some obscure article from an exclusive GERMAN article. Again, communication appears to be the main issue, but these are not professionals and developers will speak out of line if they've not signed an NDA. I've also heard that they want to avoid making any more official announcements until they can say, "It's out. Get it now." Save people flocking to the server, getting disappointed or frustrated and getting themselves banned.
As for the dev who stated that the release is days or weeks away, I would play Devil's advocate and say that is technically correct, the best kind of correct. If it were a professional studio making these communication blunders, I might be concerned. Since it's a modding team, I don't really care.
@@monsterurby This is a great comment, and I commend you for taking the time to articulate what essentially every sensible person following this story would say. Many of us are baffled by the utter entitlement and stupidity of people making claims about vaporware and lies.
What you said about F4SE is not exactly true. F4SE is working on next-gen but many mods that requires F4SE to work were not updated and they DON'T work on next gen F4 and next-gen F4SE. Most notably is XDI that only recently got beta that work on next-gen.
They could have release on old-gen, but if they didn't they now have to wait for all mods that they rely on to be updated.
Gotcha! Yeah I've heard there are still some issues with the new version, the devs are talking a bit more openly and have said everything is pretty much ready to go for the upcoming launch, so I'm hopeful!
I'm hoping it comes out sometime soon, the update for Fallout 4 obviously didn't help the process. Thing is, I believe they're trying to make this the most polished experience (that is judging by the time it's been taking for them to make it.)
I really hope so, I'm starved for more Fallout. I love Fallout and want it to be awesome!
You make a great point, as many of my mods from 2016 still work.If FO London were ready it should still plug and play.
For me personally, it is only fair to criticise the game when it's out. Until then, we just have to be patient, as the mod isn't out for a reason. The Devs have said that they want this out more than anyone, and I believe them.
I feel like we need to judge how they are handling the release as well, with constant delays and scapegoating. But I see your point of view as well. I hope the game comes out and is amazing and not a buggy mess.
@@ThisisCitrus True I do wish they came out with a clear “what’s going on” but is what it is. I think they’re scared to give a date and want to avoid the pressures of crunch. For releasing on the old gen, they said they wanted it to make it as accessible to the main stream audience as possible which means choosing to release on the newest version. But I do think they’re gonna make 2 versions after all which is interesting.
@@ThisisCitrus If i said to you your a bad youtuber because you delayed a video release because the story you where going to cover has had an update and you haven't had time to review the update to correct the video? or would that be you doing your due diligence to the changes to ensure you are getting the most correct version of your video out? If I then criticised you for being shady because you delayed the video even tho I don't pay you for the video stating "Well you get add money from me watching your videos so you OWE me to do better" don't you see how Entiled and insane that is. If you are doing this in your own free time and you are not getting paid for your time per hour example, a video takes you 4 hours to research, edit, record and preview before you make it live and you are potentially going to see £0.40 profit from it. is it really profit? when you could have worked for what £12.00 an hour doing something more productive to your life? It is a Free MOD that anyone can download apon release, you do not lose the value of your BASE GAME Fallout 4. This is something you are getting in addition to your BASE game, made by fans of the series nothing more. if you don't like it great, don't download it. if you want to criticise it Great, go for to your hearts content. but to say the Dev team is shady or not transparent has no merit, they have no need to tell you anything about there work and they can delay it indefinitely if they so wished for any reason, you have no expectation of a product because you have not paid for a product. This is a bunch of guys and girls making the mod in there free time when they have it and if they gain a little money from donations/add rev to make there free time more valuable to them so what, its not your place to make demands of them. You are not entitled to anything. If I drive a car a fancy car and say hey you can borrow it at the weekend and then friday comes and I have had a car crash and it needs to goto the shop does that give you the right to tell me how I'm a bad friend because you cant borrow my car at the weekend? It is a privilege NOT a right. I get your frustrated because you really want to play it, but the best things are worth the wait. take a chill pill or go rage over Ubisoft or something at least you will have some merit there.
@@s0leradier Holy text wall. Also that's a whole different situation. Here's a similar situation, if I had said "New video coming tomorrow!" And then I said "Sorry video is delayed because CZcams updated their website" except in reality the update didn't affect my ability to put out the video and I was just using the CZcams update as someone to blame because my video wasn't ready yet. That would be a similar situation.
The delay itself isn't the issue, the issue is they lied about WHY they delayed and kept on lying to cover up the lies. I'm not criticizing the mod itself, but the devs extremely poor PR and communication. Even the "We have a date" comment turned out to be a lie as did the "days/weeks" comment.
@@ThisisCitrus so you know for a fact the update didn't affect them or are you assuming it didn't,? because unless your in the inner circle you don't know the details of what has been affected and what didn't. are you a programer? you make mods? if not don't comment on it
I think they delayed with the update excuse, but they weren't ready to release anyway. And now they're bugfixing the "normal" version. Then they'll come and say "we didn't manage to set update compatible with fallout london" and just release the normal bugfixed.
The "other thing" that may be happening is the Bethesda studio helping them finish and bugfix the game, to then release it on console store as paid mod while they release in GoG for PC.
I really hope so! I'm super excited for the mod and hope it isn't a buggy mess when it releases.
@@ThisisCitrus c'mon they can't be worse than bethesda releases...
@@cristoelmago TRUE lol
It's typical corruption of making little, but significant, deals with the Devil to make more money off of people. Of course, people are going to donate more, in the overall lifetime *and retirement* of the project, if FOLON delays the release of the mod. That NDA business that they have is most likely a secret deal with Bethesda so that the mod is only released to GOG owners, anyone who doesn't have GOG will have to buy it to play the mod.
Just like how the vast majority, and biggest, Beyond Skyrim's mods require the Anniversary Edition to play, once they're released. I had to buy the Anniversary Edition after I uninstalled and deleted Bethesda's forced and gifted Anniversary Edition which made Skyrim unplayable, years ago.
What if it releases as a buggy mess? My fella, bethesda releases its games as buggy messes
Doesn't mean the mod has to be, I'm saying the mod being even worse than the base games. Enderal is pretty bug free for a mod that is bigger than FOLON.
@@patricksweeney6334 So you're excusing the mod team just because Bethesda games are buggy anyway? That's pretty dumb. Blind simping for a mod and believing everything the dev team says (when they have already lied and proven no not be trustworthy) before the mod is even releases is pretty stupid.
I'll judge the mod fairly on release, I hope it's good.
@@patricksweeney6334 And your speculation doesn't mean it won't be. We'll judge the game on release, whenever that happens.
I have a viewpoint, and I put it out there, honestly I didn't expect 3k views but hey I'll take em.
I just do YT for fun to express my opinion, unfortunately most of the complaints and negativity here are just "Nuh uh" or personal attacks without providing any objectivity or counter arguments.
@@ThisisCitrus I know! I was just makin a silly lil joke
@@InFirmAtional All good! Apologies if I jumped on you about it!
"delay the game at the slightest inconvinince"
brother they literaly posted the nexgen update that broke nearly all mods just bearly days away from a realease date, please actualy learn some game dev before posting hate like this
You're wrong, here's why.
I debunked that already:
1) they could have released FOLON for the updated version of Fallout 4 and stuck with that.
2) On May 13th F4SE was fixed for the new update, which fixed the mods, yet here we are a month after that and still no FOLON
Watch the video before posting and sounding like a moron.
WELL WELL WELL, look who was completely wrong. Fallout London devs released a statement confirming what I said. We are getting the version they supposedly had ready to go on April 23rd, the next gen update had nothing to do with their delay. It was all a big lie.
If you think Fallout London was actually going to release in April, I've got a Tower Bridge to sell you.
@@vulpesinculta3238 So true.
So, because there's delays due to significant toolkit changes and engine changes, we should be worried? Let's say, for sake of argument, they release on the old version. They now have two separate branches that they need to maintain, they have two separate engine versions to work with, all with their own unique problems, and they divide their fork workload. These are just a couple of problems coming with releasing two versions. Then, say it comes out and there's a shit ton of bugs to fix, because a small team can't find every single bug and exploit pre-release. They now have their reputation tanked, need to divest from the main branch to do emergency damage control, and the initial hype will be destroyed and many won't even give it a chance due to initial criticism. Much less the fact most players won't bother trying to look up how to revert their game to the previous version to play it. And the fact that they have to look up other mods for that version and go through the trouble of mod conflicts and it would just be a hassle to even try for the vast majority of players. All that just to put the main branch work on hold and have a lackluster, basically ruined launch for the nextgen version and a doomed to die version on the old update.
There are quite a number of reasons that someone with half a brain could just imagine being behind the decision to not release the old version and to focus efforts on the nextgen update only. You are not entitled to their commentary, nor are you even entitled to a free game you didn't pay for to be good, be released on time, nor be respectful of you bitching about the delays and paranoia that is unfounded. But then again, its pretty obvious I'm feeding into the point of this video which was to bait comments like these for engagement. If that wasn't your goal and these are your genuine positions, you've essentially put less than 5 minutes of thought into your reasoning and that's just pathetic.
You are wrong on so many points. You don't understand how any of this works. There was never going to be two versions. The FOLON devs said when they learned of the next gen patch they had two options, releasing for old fallout or for next gen patch. Because FOLON will be SELF CONTAINED. There is no "old mods won't work." As I said in the video, look at Enderal, they picked a specific version of Skyrim to release for and now ANY time skyrim gets an update, it doesn't break Enderal no matter how big the update is. There is a nexus mods page JUST for Enderal for mods that work on the Skyrim version that Enderal is using. This is how FOLON will work.
Also, downgrading Fallout 4 is simple AF. You can do it inside Steam without any external mods to be downloaded. However that doesn't actually matter, because FOLON will be its own launcher like Enderal. The launcher will do all the work for you. Your speculations are based on nothing concrete or factual. Just because FOLON is free does not excuse it from criticism, that is the stupidest argument out there. You're saying anything that is free cannot be judged nor criticized just because its free, how do you not see how stupid that sounds?
Now stop acting like such an ignorant dumbfuck child.
@@ThisisCitrus But why should they do that and not release on the current engine? Why not make it in the most optimal version with the new tools, features, and engine updates? What is the benefit of releasing it on a legacy fallout version besides not delaying it to impatient children like yourself?
Because as we've seen, the newest version of Fallout isn't stable, it has many many issues that the old patch does not have. The older patch was much more stable and had all the mods already working for that version. There are no new tools, features, or engine updates on the new version of Fallout 4, the biggest things added into the next gen patch version of Fallout 4 was creation club content, which will not be available for FOLON.
@@Scyborg832 WELL WELL WELL, look who was completely wrong. Fallout London devs released a statement confirming what I said. We are getting the version they supposedly had ready to go on April 23rd, the next gen update had nothing to do with their delay. We're getting Fallout London for unupdated Fallout 4, we're going to have to downgrade our games for Fallout London to work. The whole next gen update thing was all a big lie.
@@ThisisCitrus They could have changed course from the next Gen update. Doesn't prove a thing. Mainly because there's no reason for them to have lied about the release date delay. Not like anyone besides pretentious pricks like you would care. And even if it is delayed, no one cares. But I'm sure it'll be a horrible buggy mess like you expect. Oh no, a 2 month delay! How tragic.
The fact that they allow patreon contributions certainly muddies the water as there comes expectations to deliver a quality product. I personally have no issues with developers generating income passively like through their trailers on CZcams as it's not directly generated through their playerbase. This is the first time I've come across this mod but having just played through fallout 4 it looks like an enormous amount of time and effort went into designing this world. Unless the developers have another mechanism of generating funding through the community, you make it seem like it's being worked on at their expense, in which case they are fully within their rights to do whatever they want with it including not delivering anything at all.
Of course they are still accepting patreon donations, so that isn't the case.
I understand the grievances with the user-end experience you raise in this video, it's incredibly frustrating to deal with a business without transparency and can be highly suspicious (especially with such a rocky development track record), but if the information in this video is accurate and they are not part of any official development team being paid a wage, you can at least be a bit lenient and afford them a bit of the benefit of the doubt.
Very well said! Thank you for the comment. I said it at the end where most people didn't probably get to, but I'm only critical because I WANT this to do well and be awesome. I love Fallout and am super excited, but how they are handling launch is concerning.
@@ThisisCitrus I'm sorry, I didn't write about that and I felt a bit snide after posting my comment. That's a completely fair perspective! People are excited for this and there's nothing wrong with wanting it to be the best it can be. 😄
@@thereddye Your comment wasn't snide at all! It was one of the most constructive comments here!
I disagree with Patreon mudding the water for the sole fact I highly doubt it covers even 1/8th of the actually cost in time/effort/voice acting, etc etc etc. Its not for profit. it is simply "You want to help us out, great please donate" you have no expectations to get anything out of donations ever. They probably have a lot of volunteers all trying to work together with all different time schedules and free time. So if wires get crossed or information is not perfect its expected. We are not entitled to any information never mind correct or incorrect information. If they have made a mistake ok, fine move on we all make mistakes. if something outside there control has affected there plans, great it is there project we are just passengers on the free train ride. The only thing we can truly do is sit back and wait for it to be launched, if its a buggy mess or if its a perfect smooth experience it doesn't matter. we are not entitled to anything everything is a privladge. I have no issue with people being critical about anything even if its free but to voice accusations at the team like you are owed explanations for anything they do in there own free time. that to me is very narcissistic, To say they have Lied to there community when you have no idea about the reasons or context behind the scenes is problematic to me. You can choose not to trust them and go look elsewhere for your entertainment or better yet, go buy a game and then be as critical as you want about a product you have invested actual money too also great. my point here is, its not a business its a collection of individuals trying to make art for the sake of making art. so i think it's more than just being lenient. we have no right to any information so if we do get anything even if its wrong we shouldn't take it to heart.
2697 days is "days away". :)
Yeah, umm, no money changes hands, people made this without being paid and your main argument is that it should be polished before being released? Dude, most Fallout mods are a buggy mess due to the CORE GAME being a buggy mess and we ALL paid for that unmitigated shit show of a release and Bethesda is STILL trying to fix it and all THAT is doing is making it worse. Just enjoy that there is still a VERY active and dedicated community trying to add content for free.
The mod was ready to go on April 25, its been two more months, so yeah it should be pretty polished from the delay. I want this to be really good.
This guy seems like fun at parties
I'm a blast! Everyone needs that friend who is honest and tells things like it is, unlike the Fallout London devs ;)
@ThisisCitrus I guess, man, I still got hope.
Some people forgot how shit the frontier was
TRUE, I'll never understand people defending a mod this hard when it isn't even out yet. I'll judge it on release fairly, I hope it is good.
@@ThisisCitrus A lot of the time, these cliques rally on their community chats which already have sycophants that power-trip on their own over there, after getting favour from team members.
Other times, people go out of their way to defend people that they don't really know, at all, "because it's free and by fans like me.".
I used to be one of the biggest modders man; like... When the wii first came out; I must of hacked dozens; and I was one of the modder guys for project M. Trust me, there's always someone looking for a buck; it may start out free, but damn dude...
Yeah, I didn't even mention that they have a merch store selling Fallout London items, which probably still infringes on Bethesda's copyright.
@@ThisisCitrusPretty sure that, legally speaking, FOLON is a different franchise than Fallout. Therefore, as long as their team doesn't release any content that resembles Bethesda too much, they'll be allowed to sell their stuff without any problems.
@@Patriot-Eaglehead It's likely OK, as long as it doesn't include anything that's too close to Bethesda trademarked stuff.
@@Patriot-Eaglehead It depends, if they include the word "Fallout" anywhere, even just in the title of the item, then it is infringement.
@@ThisisCitrus The word fallout isnt infringment, the logo Fallout is, fallout is the term used for radioactive particles that are carried into the atmosphere after a nuclear explosion and gradually fall back as dust or in precipitation. so you cant Copywrite that word only the logo and font etc etc. Ill need to look at there merch store to see if falls under fair use but if the fallout logo and font is used I Highly doubt it will. but it would be up to Bethesda to either enforce the infringement or not, or maybe they have have been allowed the use of it we don't know as we do not have that information.
Team Fallout London seem to be quite problematic & for a game what’s larger than Fallout 4, I can honestly see it being a bug festival. Not only that, I can’t see Team Fallout London being able to fund patches in time, without causing fanbase damage. One mess up & everyone will hit the road/ review bomb it.
I think Team Fallout London flew far too close to the sun with let’s make a game better than Bethesda mentality.
I feel sorry for the Patreons funding everything & for their sakes…I hope Fallout London isn’t a dried up piece residue from a Covid scam.
i'm trying to be patient but it is frustrating to have waited years for this only to be disappointed again and again
although F4SE was updated quickly (twice), things like settlement blueprint importing is facing very difficult hurdles to get working with the new updates. i have no idea if Fallout London is facing similar issues but it would be nice to have more communication from the London team on their progress.
I would assume so, this is a pretty extensive mod. They may even have taken a few days off to enjoy the next gen mod like the rest of us while waiting for the script extender to get updated and for things to stabilize.
The worst part is that they have a fixed date they say they are going to release on, but are not telling people. It's like they're scared Bethesda will attempt to update F4 just to spite FOLON.
It just released. Are you ready to apologise yet?
Just because it released doesn't mean I need to apologize for anything, their handling of the release and their communication and lies still happened and were awful. I've been playing the mod and having a blast so far, I'll be putting out a new video praising the mod at some point.
i like people like this because they make me feel smart
Gotta start somewhere, brother!
I knew it was a terrible decision for them to postpone release & wait for Bethesda to get their act together. We all know every time Bethesda update any of their games, things go to shite lol. Look at Skyrim. It's still a mess, with players essentially playing 3 different versions of the game & that leads us to why not releasing FOLO when it was supposed to is a huge error - the reality is, the vast, vast majority of people who were looking forward to playing it already mod their game & there's no way in hell any of us are updating.
Not true, I actually debunk that claim in my video. Enderal, a mod bigger than FOLON, picked a specific version of Skyrim to launch for, and now when Skyrim gets updates it has ZERO effect on the Enderal mod. FOLON could have done the same and chose not to.
"If the mod releases and it's a buggy, glitchy mess, are you gonna be cool with that just because it's a free game?" Yes, yes I will.
It's unclear to me how this mod would be any different from any of the other mods. They've got patron money, so as long as the first bit is of decent quality, they'll likely have the opportunity to fix any significant bugs.
First I don't believe that, but if true thats really sad.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I'm hopeful of that, but when they fumble the launch this bad, delay it for two months when it was ready to launch on April 25th, blame bethesda when they had nothing to do with it. It's not a good look.
@@patricksweeney6334 We'll see when it comes out if they were lying or not. Taking everything they say as gospel with no skepticism is just dumb.
Gworl, why so salty? It was Bethesda that screwed the roll out by dropping their pointless and unwanted "update" .
Who is "Gworl"? Also it wasn't Bethesda, the FOLON devs recently came out and said that didn't force them to delay. So all this scapegoating Bethesda isn't true.
Seems like you're hyperventilating about nothing.
Yep, most of this is based on speculation and may or may not apply to what's actually released. I'm personally going to wait and see, hopefully FO4 goes back on sale on GOG when it does release, although that would depend on Bethesda to OK.
I don't think you know what hyperventilating is. If you have something constructive to say, I would love to debate it!
@@patricksweeney6334 I appreciate you commenting on every post here, my dude, its giving me engagement and helping promote me in the CZcams algorithm. Living rent free in your head, I am.
@@patricksweeney6334 You know that you can just click "reply" and I'll know you're replying to my comment, no need to type my quote into your reply. You sound like some grandma who just learned about facebook for the first time and doesn't understand how it works. Is this your first time on CZcams?
free mod gets delayed le bad mod
More about how they handled it, but some recent info has come it shedding light on what happened.
Gamers were a mistake. YouTubing gaming channels doubly so.
Without gamers there's no games! What a boring life that would be.
frontier 2 here we go
I hope not but it's looking that way!
@@ThisisCitrus i hope so lol
people gotta learn
I agree and see everyone flaming you. TF2 is a free game, see how many people invested actual money into the game and market, look at it now. Am I supposed to be happy for every 1 player theres 100 bots? This is a product, even if made for little to no pay, even if its art, its still a product and deserves to be judged so. I knew day one the update drama was bs. Actual passionate players would just load back to a previous patch and they (team folon)could have done that. Im excited for the mod but dont know what to expect besides its English Fallout with new weapons and armor.
Appreciate you! Exactly how I feel, I'm excited for the mod but just because its free doesn't excuse them from criticism.
The whole argument about mods being free so they shpuld be immune to criticism is stupid any and all media shpuld be criticised so people can learn
Exactly!
Just because I watched this video for free, doesn't mean it's not allowed to be criticized. The entitlement is staggering and the lack of any real substance makes this video nearly a complete waste of time (outside of the entertainment of seeing someone embarass themselves). Grow up. You're not an eight year old child anymore.
Absolutely! I welcome the criticism, I'm not removing comments and banning people like FOLON is with their discord and reddit. I'm answering EVERY comment because I want discussion and I'm not hiding, unlike team FOLON.
They. owe. you. nothing. Let them work.
Not. the. point. They've been caught lying to their community.
Nobody is stopping them working.
Complaining about a volunteer dev team's passion project not hitting your expected time table is such full on entitlement it's actually insane. Get a life, or go do something worthwhile... jesus.
It's not MY expected time table, it's theirs. That's the problem. They said it was ready for release two months ago, so they lied about it. Then they said "days/weeks" and had to correct themselves because they keep lying.
@@ThisisCitrus "Lying" or, things happen, they aren't professional devs and they don't owe you shit.
You're obnoxious. Please go touch some grass.
Much to do about nothing. They'll release it when it's done. You don't have to pay. Go outside and touch grass.
There would have been a bunch of complaining had this been released as scheduled. It would have been a couple days before the latest update and forced players to decide whether to play this or the new update. And, they'd still have to do all this work to fix whatever the update broke.
I debunked your "don't have to pay" argument already. The mod was done and ready to release two months ago, so where is it? You going to scapegoat bethesda as well?
@ThisisCitrus no you didn't. You said it yourself. If you want to support them you could give them money. It's not required. If you ever followed the Half Life 1 remake, then you know it can take 10 plus years. In the end, they did charge for it, but they also had Valve's help. Not a big deal. I don't lose sleep over it. I'm not sure why you're so butt hurt over the game still not being available. Did you pay to support them? You sound like the many that complained about the Half Life remake. Go play something else while you wait.
@@MF9000 Yes I did. They are legally not allowed to charge for the mod, since they have no option other than to make it free, we shouldn't use the "its free" as a defense, they HAVE to make it free.
@@ThisisCitrus Semantics. You were not required to pay, but chose to support them. So, for those that did not pay it is free. It IS a free mod, but if you chose to pay that's on you. I understand you aren't happy, but your argument doesn't negate the fact that it is free and that paying anything was a choice. I hope you're giving the team creating this mod your two cents. I'm sure you're not alone in your disappointment and feeling that you made a bad choice. Half Life 1 remake took ten years and the original team said they wouldn't charge. In the end the new team did charge due to having to pay others to help get the remake out and Valve had some influence with that since it was sold through Steam. I am surprised they didn't signup to become Creation Club members so they could get paid with Bethesda getting a sizable cut. At this point patience will have to be the word.
I gotta admit you make some fair points and one of the biggest things that worries me is just their lack of british attitude, like the way the developers come across is less Black Adder, and the 70's/80's british punk/ska/goth scene which would be ideal for the basis of the raiders they show off in the trailer, or try to, which was a big part of londons culture back then and more Modern Doctor Who, where they just feel soft and too nice
also some of the developers got snatched up by Bethesda, which apparently tied into the delay, and some of them, one of the excuses they used, regardless if it was legit or not, was that some of them were in the Ukraine or behind the new iron fall
like I just get the feeling its another white wash of fallout with no teeth, much like fallout 4 as a whole, one of the only videogames I honestly regret playing it or ever giving a chance thanks to oxhorn making it look fun
when it was really boring as shit, and nothing you get out of it is rewarding like it was in the past games in the series. all you do is salvage and build houses, at which point, you know in all this time I spent doing this
I could have just overhauled my own house to be nicer, like its a literal bethesda pulling the shatner get a life sketch on everyone while they rake in the cash on microtransactions for a 10 year old shitty game like this,
like I half expect the reason why theirs such hype for anything in regard to this mod, is so it will make fallout 4 magically not suck, when the game was rigged from the start to suck
as none of the gameplay choices made sense or felt like fallout in the slightest
Oh.. a Fallout Game.. The last one (76) was a deception. This one.. no idea. I just don't understand why they stick to that arse old engine and not just switch to something better.
What's the point of making another Fallout game that everybody will just hate? Most probably they will make it F2P but add some sort of shop so players instead of playing and earning the perks they can just buy them + unnecessary cosmetics ofc! At the moment I don't see anything else than a Fallout 4 Mod in London... just that won't have me interested in it ^^
That's because it's a community mod for Fallout 4. Set in London.
@@drewknab8149 Exactly, and how long was it that they ended FO76's development? I mean, they got bought up by Microsoft now so I am expecting just 'more' than a mod.. If that is the best they can do.. good night Fallout. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed FO4 and made a few mods for settlements and what not, but this is more like an expansion for FO4 tht comes WAY to late..
@@drewknab8149 Ah k, got it. Then I can't blame Bethesda xD. Or can I?
What an absolute waste of almost 8 minutes.
Thanks for watching! Super constructive comment!
@@ThisisCitrus Oh you are so welcome! This is the type of feedback you get when you make baseless accusations in bad faith :)
But please, continue doomposting and comparing this to Enderal, which is a terrible comparison as that mod is basically a one-off in terms of how Bethesda supported it's release and allowed it to have it's own dedicated steam page. This removes the need to have a specific version of the game installed because the download literally comes with the version of Skyrim compatible with the mod. Other modders can't do this because it's not legal to package the game version with the mod download as they don't own the rights to this game.
So basically you're suggesting they release on an outdated version of the game and make anyone who actually wants to play it go through hoops in order to install an older version of the game, F4SE, and XDI. This isn't exactly hard to do per se, but it immediately raises a barrier of entry for anyone wanting to play the game, rather than just downloading the mod and clicking play. Which, in turn, will likely limit the number of people who are actually willing to go through that to play the game.
Instead you take this news of a delay as a sign that the mod must be a shitshow with no proof that this is actually the case, aside from some miscommunication between a community manager and dev that can easily be chalked up to a misunderstanding.
But anyways, I'm sure you'll just ignore this entirely and post another video in two weeks making the exact same complaints like you did before, and ignore the comments that gave reasonable explanations for all of your "points".
The icing on the cake for me is that you're so sure it's going to be a buggy mess, when Bethesda released FO4 it was so buggy many console players were completely unable to even complete the main quest due to a lack of console commands to edit quest stages or spawn in NPC's that just straight up weren't spawning.
Sorry, but you're a clown.
10:30 "why are you still here"
well because i am a brony since 2011 and a furry since 2009, i cant be shocked by anything anymore i know every fetish in existing... if i wanted to see it or not... xD
Stop b$tching so mutch. It is what it is.
That's a bitchboy take, did nobody teach you to have balls and be a skeptic?
@@ThisisCitrus Bruh its a volenteer fan made free mod, have some patience.
This is a truly ridiculous take
You misspelled critical.
@@ThisisCitrusbeing critical doesn't preclude you from being ridiculous.
@@Klowd_Eater How am I being ridiculous for being skeptical when they constantly go back on their word and lie?
L vid
Wonderful constructive comment! Thank you!