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  • Here is an in depth look at setting up a "The Loar" mandolin.
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Komentáře • 119

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 Před 5 lety +10

    Those ball end wrenches are a life saver when the odd scenario hits..

  • @andrewreynolds2647
    @andrewreynolds2647 Před 5 lety +4

    Jerry the playing at the end has more definition and clarity. Great job as always. Peace and love from Bonny Scotland.

  • @charlesturner7290
    @charlesturner7290 Před 5 lety +2

    I would recommend the Hot Needle test for the nut. Press the hot needle into it and smell the result. Bone should not smell much , Plastic will smell like plastic and also notice the melt-ability of the nut.

  • @shartne
    @shartne Před 5 lety +4

    I can tell the action is better by how much better you played it the finale time. And it sounds more bassy to me. Sounds nice has a good tone.

  • @afishcalledminnewawa
    @afishcalledminnewawa Před 4 lety +2

    Jerry, I keep re-watching this as I get ready to do my first string change, I really appreciate what you've shown here as I own the same model mandolin. You may very well see an order coming in for an antler saddle, and maybe an email with a few questions. You've inspired me so much I'm thinking of doing a kit build and if that goes well maybe full builds in the future.

  • @radioteacher
    @radioteacher Před 5 lety +3

    Mr. Rosa, about six months ago I was able to buy a The Loar TM-375 that is very similar to the one in this video. It had a typical factory setup. The truss rod was very loose and it took a full turn to snug it up and flatten the fretboard. After marking the Bass end of the bridge, I took it off and shortened the sharp screw heads and contoured the edges of the bridge. Finally, I adjusted the nut with some files. When complete the action was excellent. Still left to do, add felt pads for the tail stop. Thank you for your very helpful and entertaining videos.

  • @RandySchartiger
    @RandySchartiger Před 5 lety +11

    you have enough subscribers now I'm sure like me you get flack from a handful no matter how you do things lol it's the nature of the tube lol but we know what works for us no matter what others think. great work as always Jerry!

  • @keninnis1
    @keninnis1 Před 5 lety +2

    Great solution to string breakage at post holes...Nice work..

  • @jescocom1
    @jescocom1 Před 5 lety +4

    Harbor Freight carry's those allen wrenches with the ball end and they are very good for the cheap price. I use them all the time on my car and other projects and have never had one slip yet.

  • @jennhill8708
    @jennhill8708 Před 5 lety +1

    I like the woods.... & it's not a home made tool, it's a CUSTOM tool! Oooh, the sound! I'm just a sucker for a mandolin!
    My cousin played from before he was three.

  • @WryGrass100
    @WryGrass100 Před 5 lety +2

    Thanks for the commentary on the NUT. Players often spend tons on those things.

  • @ironkiko
    @ironkiko Před 5 lety +1

    I really liked this episode. I've played that model of, "The Loar", well, actually plucked and noodled one, at Sam Ash. It was really nice. The only reason why I knew about it was because of you Jerry. I learn so much from you and Randy Shartinger.

  • @dennisdorey1327
    @dennisdorey1327 Před 5 lety +2

    Very good! Lot of good tips. Do have a comment on your bone saddles that Ron makes for you. He has been making them long enough now, that he should be doing all this fine tuning. filling all the sharp edges and smooth all the saw marks. your time is to valuable.

  • @jameswieser483
    @jameswieser483 Před 5 lety +2

    Sounds better. It’s louder, has better sustain and it is a little clearer. You said you weren’t going to mess with the nut, but with all the filing you did to get it set up correctly you wound up “messing” with it quite a bit.

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 5 lety +4

      But a whole lot less than you would if you built it from scratch.

  • @billrhoades6110
    @billrhoades6110 Před 7 měsíci

    Good morning all from Warrenton Mo

  • @sgnt9337
    @sgnt9337 Před 5 lety +1

    That was a nice intro. Enjoyed listening to you play, even though the instrument needed some work. Great job explaining the procedures as you went along. Great improvement in sound, after tuneup!

  • @lesboothe7291
    @lesboothe7291 Před 5 lety +2

    definitive difference listening with headphones, punchier and brighter with more sustain.

  • @gr328
    @gr328 Před 5 lety +2

    I really enjoy watching your videos. Great job again!

  • @nautn
    @nautn Před 5 lety +3

    Very good, as always Jerry. Coincidentally, I purchased the same mandolin. I had it set up with new D'adario ej74. It sounds pretty good, even in my hands.

  • @jeffgrier8488
    @jeffgrier8488 Před 5 lety +1

    That mandolin sounds pretty darn good, great job as always!

  • @mmccoy577
    @mmccoy577 Před 5 lety +2

    Sounds really good

  • @mikepower4113
    @mikepower4113 Před 3 lety +3

    Hey Jerry. I know this is an old video, but still enjoyed it. Fyi: I set up two identica celll phones with same audio settings. Compared before and after. Big difference. It almost seemed like two totally different instruments. Another awesome job.

  • @DavidMFChapman
    @DavidMFChapman Před 5 lety +2

    It must be a pleasure to invest time in improving the sound of a fine instrument that is already in good repair.

  • @stevefiorito5379
    @stevefiorito5379 Před 2 lety

    I recently purchased the same Loar you are working on. I had to get the ball-end allen wrench for my first set up. I still had to take my dremel tool to remove some wood around the truss rod nut. You would think that the factory would take just a little more time to make those things right.

  • @Billkwando
    @Billkwando Před 2 lety

    LOL I had the same problem with the truss rod, and the same kind of allen wrench so I........used the other end of the wrench. It worked just fine.

  • @davestambaugh7282
    @davestambaugh7282 Před 5 lety +4

    I did the trig to figure out how deep the crown is if you see a .020" flat and it is in the sixth decimal place of an inch. A little sanding makes a perfect radius.

  • @stevenmiller5366
    @stevenmiller5366 Před 5 lety +2

    You are a true craftsman!

  • @jrichmang
    @jrichmang Před 5 lety +2

    Another excellent video. I'm not well versed in the mandolin servicing but you seem to make it look easy. I do acoustic and electric guitars and can relate to what your doing!

  • @lrstaf6
    @lrstaf6 Před 5 lety +1

    It definitely sounds better after the setup. Your mandolins are better sounding and better looking too.

  • @josephtaverna1287
    @josephtaverna1287 Před 5 lety +1

    Hey Jerry a true Craftsman very nice video and once again a great job take care my friend

  • @zampo5709
    @zampo5709 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks many and many, and more, Master !!! i learn many things in yours vidéos !!! GOOD !!!

  • @gregoryedwards8004
    @gregoryedwards8004 Před 5 lety +1

    I was taught a Frogs hair is as fine as a man can measure by eye LOL Great Video This one is extremely helpful Thanks for sharing it...

  • @teleman65
    @teleman65 Před 5 lety +4

    Jerry please don't let trolls get to you. I could hear some discontent in your voice. I hate that for you. I myself love your work I love your playing and have enjoyed you since you started on CZcams. Thank you sir. It would not matter how good you are Jerry. You could be Jesus himself and some idiot would complain. Thank again.

  • @Bun_Can_Do_It
    @Bun_Can_Do_It Před 5 lety +1

    Love the Red Wing cover!

  • @csnelling4
    @csnelling4 Před 5 lety +2

    Great Video Jerry 👍🙂🇬🇧

  • @paulnewsome6289
    @paulnewsome6289 Před 6 měsíci

    Over here in Ireland "a fraction of a hair" is no good to us. We have to be 'spot on!'

  • @battlehrfred
    @battlehrfred Před 5 lety +1

    EXCELLENT VIDEO AND GREAT DETAIL ON YOUR FIXIN!! 100---100 GREAT SETUP TY

  • @davidsims1329
    @davidsims1329 Před 5 lety +1

    I made my own after seeing your, works great.

  • @TheDuckcarver
    @TheDuckcarver Před 5 lety +3

    Hey, Jerry...Good to see (and learn) a few new tricks that I can apply to my "practice guitars." Hope that you've been able to whittle down your work list a tiny bit. :>

  • @designscreation2065
    @designscreation2065 Před 5 lety +1

    Great Lesson, Once Again!

  • @n8tuwstevenewland933
    @n8tuwstevenewland933 Před 5 lety +2

    I agree...it was good before. A lot more volume and greater sound.
    Thanks for the lessons.

  • @muskymike1885
    @muskymike1885 Před 5 lety +3

    sounds way better

  • @MrBlaser51
    @MrBlaser51 Před 4 lety

    I could actually hear the burrs get filed off when you were filing off the string holes. Great filming Jerry !!! Kudoes to you !!

  • @waynebrown1609
    @waynebrown1609 Před 5 lety +1

    great tips Mr Rosa, turned out great.

  • @effdpaul1815
    @effdpaul1815 Před 3 lety

    I just purchased a Loar F-Style mandolin. Loar does specify a bone nut as you suspected. For the amount of money I paid for the mando ... I would expect that much instead of plastic.

  • @jonahguitarguy
    @jonahguitarguy Před 5 lety +1

    Always much nicer to play a well set up instrument. Nice one Jerry.

  • @mschapman7
    @mschapman7 Před 5 lety +1

    Love the videos, Jerry

  • @gavinpanda
    @gavinpanda Před 2 lety

    Ha! If you fret a note the nut doesn't even come into play. So obvious yet such a revelation!

  • @billstoner5559
    @billstoner5559 Před 5 lety +3

    WOW, I was the first viewer. That doesn’t happen often. Another great video, Jerry. Thanks!

  • @tomkirk6942
    @tomkirk6942 Před 5 lety +1

    Outstanding as always Jerry! It really does sound better.

  • @philbrown6787
    @philbrown6787 Před 5 lety +2

    Not a fan of satin (dull) finishes
    But they didn’t ask me
    Anyway, great job!

  • @johnnybx3254
    @johnnybx3254 Před 5 lety +1

    Wonderful Jerry 👍😃

  • @terrybeeson8888
    @terrybeeson8888 Před rokem

    I've got a Loar that needs that setup.

  • @reijmerswael
    @reijmerswael Před 5 lety +1

    As always, I’ve enjoyed your video!

  • @1980bwc
    @1980bwc Před 4 lety +3

    The Loar's all come with a bone nut.

  • @briankavanagh7191
    @briankavanagh7191 Před 5 lety +1

    Jerry my measurement for thickness is "the size of a gnats todger" Imperial measurement obviously:-)

  • @sjp52047
    @sjp52047 Před 5 lety +2

    Next up from a "Fraction of a hair" is a "hair", then a "hair hair and a half". I thought that was adopted just after WWII. Hmmm...Regards, Solomon

  • @SteveAaron
    @SteveAaron Před 5 lety +1

    LOOOOOOOL The “hair” measurement 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @mikecurtin9831
    @mikecurtin9831 Před 5 lety +2

    Another troll bites the dust. :-) Good stuff. Thanks, Jerry.

  • @We_Seek_Truth
    @We_Seek_Truth Před rokem

    Jerry, we know what you mean by "not '45-ing' the edge of the fret", but the term is "chamfer". That's both a noun and a verb. So you are avoiding "chamfering" the edge of the frets. And "rounding" the edge is fine, but it has a name also, if one wants to be particular. It's called "fillet". So you are "filleting" the edges of the frets.
    Just a little metalworking terminology.

  • @MrJuju69
    @MrJuju69 Před 5 lety +2

    Love your work Jerry - your skills are very impressive. So, do you write all your own jokes? 🙃

  • @kenlee3783
    @kenlee3783 Před 5 lety +2

    Thanks for showing your fret file. I have wondered where you got it and what it was. Did you use epoxy to adhere it to the wood?

  • @christophergallagher531
    @christophergallagher531 Před 10 měsíci

    560 is rubbery. It is great for joining plastic. It seems to work like denture cream.
    I have had it skin over, and never cure inside.
    Here the wood would probably suck out liquid, and that would not happen.
    Not my choice for a nut.

  • @texasdeeslinglead2401
    @texasdeeslinglead2401 Před 5 lety +1

    I fear loosening strings and then retightning. I've ran into a guitar that used to do that . Gave me ptsd .

  • @eddylonergan142
    @eddylonergan142 Před 5 lety +2

    Well if you don't like the tool you've made,for filing your frets. Don't use it. Swearing does not make you bigger Mr Rosa. great clip tippy toppy top topper.

  • @merlynschutterle7242
    @merlynschutterle7242 Před 5 lety +3

    I don't make my fretboards perfectly flat. I don't work on mandolins, but it works for banjos and guitars. You need more space int the middle because that is where the strings move the most. That way you can put the strings a little lower for a little easier fingering. Please keep those snips away from the strings and don't snip them off. Twist them off so you don't have those sharp ends to cut our fingers. I have been stabbed too many times and then I don't have to worry about any kids getting wounded.

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 5 lety +4

      Mandolins are a little different than guitars you don't need much relief in a mandolin. I cut the strings off flush with the post so they don't stick up at all.

    • @ironkiko
      @ironkiko Před 5 lety

      Yes ouch. I'm gonna do the snipping flush with the post next time. I never knew about twisting off, but wouldn't mind trying that also.

  • @micheloderso
    @micheloderso Před 4 lety +1

    In Germany we say to a fraction of a hair: "Muckeseckele"..........;-)

  • @paulnewsome6289
    @paulnewsome6289 Před 6 měsíci

    Or in the ball park of an eight of a thou.!

  • @GraeMatterz
    @GraeMatterz Před 5 lety +1

    Is the bridge post a wood or metal screw? Would the other end be able to be filed instead of removing the screw slot?

  • @kthwkr
    @kthwkr Před 5 lety +1

    Drop it on a hard table. If it rings it's bone. If it just clicks then it's plastic.

  • @bigrickRC1144
    @bigrickRC1144 Před 5 lety +1

    Hi Jerry, another great instructional video. Interesting on how you wrap the strings. Do you do guitars that way as well? Or just Mandos?
    For your final fret buff/Sanding.. have you ever tried 000 steel wool?? It’s a little messier.. but it makes the frets glass smooth. I like your little brush you use to clean up the fretboard. where did you get that if you don’t mind me asking.

  • @ronfiveo
    @ronfiveo Před 4 lety +1

    I totally agree with your thoughts on the nut. It's like saying that the launch pad has a lot of influence to the flight of the rocket. Have you read my email yet? Please do . Thank you. :)

  • @ElderlyIron
    @ElderlyIron Před 5 lety +1

    Back in the swing, eh?

  • @billsutherland2128
    @billsutherland2128 Před 5 lety +1

    Great video! The finish on the mandolin is a little flat, would you suggest adding some wax and a buffing?

  • @papaw5405
    @papaw5405 Před 5 lety +2

    Can I use food grade flaxseed oil in place of linseed oil? It's the same animal, as they say, but I don't know about the boiled part.

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 5 lety +1

      Sorry I don't know anything about that.

    • @mandolinman2006
      @mandolinman2006 Před 5 lety +3

      As far as a finish, flax oil will go rancid on the wood. You need either boiled or polymerized linseed oil to prevent that. The boiled has dryers in it while the polymerized doesn't but has been boiled in an oxygen depleted environment to alter the properties. So, if you're squirrelly about the dryers in boiled linseed, Tried and True is the way to go.

    • @papaw5405
      @papaw5405 Před 5 lety

      @@mandolinman2006 I realize the flax oil will go rancid and have an odor for a while but will it harm the wood? I've use it on cutting boards and rolling pins, etc. without any problems. Should I be worried?

    • @mandolinman2006
      @mandolinman2006 Před 5 lety +1

      @@papaw5405 That I don't know. Every woodworker told me not to do it, so I didn't. I figured they knew something I didn't. I know in some situations it can cause mold/mildew and rotting when it comes to fabrics. That's one reason they use boiled for oil cloth.

    • @patrickhurley1988
      @patrickhurley1988 Před 5 lety +1

      Linseeds are the source for flax and linseed oil. The linseed oil is used in wood finishing, beacuse the chemical structure of the oil is changed. It has been polyimerized. This allows the linseed oil dry into a wood finish. The flax seed will not dry, and then may become gummy. A small amount of Japan Drier will allow it to polyimerized, but the you just have linseed oil. It would be raw though.

  • @theguitarbishop2008
    @theguitarbishop2008 Před 4 lety +1

    Mr. Rosa. Superb videos. In your opinion does the Washburn 31mm wide nut play easier than the Loar? I am looking at purchasing the Washburn 118skw or The Loar LM 600. They are both China made and claim to be solid wood. I would appreciate your thoughts if any.

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 4 lety

      I really don't know that I could give an opinion on that. I really think it would depend on the specific instrument and how it feels. Good luck to you I hope you pick a winner.

  • @bleikrsound6127
    @bleikrsound6127 Před 5 lety +1

    Would like to have your opinion of the new Epiphone MM-40L Masterbilt (their spelling) if you should come across one. - Thanks

  • @kenvorland
    @kenvorland Před 7 měsíci

    Awesome video whats tge name od the sonf you pky? Keep it up rock on

  • @battlehrfred
    @battlehrfred Před 5 lety +1

    Lovely Workmanship Jerry as usual Sir. I was wondering if this Loar you are working on here has the same size Hexagon Allen Key as a the Loar 520E-VS ?? I recently purchased a new 520E-VS, (8 months ago) It needs the thrust rod tighten just a tad.what size is the Allan key did you use on this one? Also. was it a "Ball type"Head that you have?? ty Sir, 100-100

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 5 lety

      Sorry all my Allen wrenches are just loose in a little box so I don't know what size it was. And I don't have a ball end..

    • @battlehrfred
      @battlehrfred Před 5 lety

      Ok thank you Sir!,@@RosaStringWorks

  • @colinricgmailcom
    @colinricgmailcom Před 5 lety +1

    Looks like its' a "Loar unto it's self"?

  • @johncarver6402
    @johncarver6402 Před 4 lety +1

    What was the price for that?

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 4 lety

      Don't remember. At that time I think I was charging $60 an hour. Most things are done much faster than they appear on video.

  • @demospam2
    @demospam2 Před 5 lety +1

    Did you know that the hand with the thumb pointing up is the whack-a-troll button?

  • @colinricgmailcom
    @colinricgmailcom Před 5 lety +1

    I meant 275?

  • @paularcherfiddle0351
    @paularcherfiddle0351 Před 5 lety

    Why not do away the conventional nut and go for a zero fret? It then sounds the same as if it's fretted. Any reason why not....much easier than cutting a nut.

  • @SteveAaron
    @SteveAaron Před 5 lety +2

    You’re absolutely right about the nut, but if a customer wants you to replace it notwithstanding the logic behind (which you explained)... What do you care?

    • @RosaStringWorks
      @RosaStringWorks  Před 5 lety +5

      I don't I just watch out for my customers

    • @SteveAaron
      @SteveAaron Před 5 lety

      Rosa String Works And you’re right!! But if they really want you to do it, it’s their money after all. That’s what I meant.

    • @jennhill8708
      @jennhill8708 Před 5 lety +2

      I think the customer will be thrilled. It raises Jerry in my opinion, but I already knew he was honorable.

    • @SteveAaron
      @SteveAaron Před 5 lety +1

      Jenn Hill Indeed he is.

    • @DavidKirtley
      @DavidKirtley Před 5 lety +2

      I imagine it depends on the original communication with the customer. He is making his hourly rate whether off this job or the next one in line. If he can save this customer some money, it is not costing him anything and goes a long way in maintaining his customer relations. He has more work than he can handle as it is.

  • @glen8400
    @glen8400 Před rokem

    Why do they always use a crappy tailpiece on mandolin’s

  • @danielr.schafer9504
    @danielr.schafer9504 Před 5 lety +1

    Rub it on your teeth, like real pearls and bone both have a sandy feel to them.... plastic is smooth.

  • @ChristopherHelgerson
    @ChristopherHelgerson Před 4 lety

    a guitar will not stay in tune if the nut slots are cut too tight...

  • @georgefrench1907
    @georgefrench1907 Před 5 lety +1

    AAA grade

  • @colinricgmailcom
    @colinricgmailcom Před 5 lety +1

    You really must stop this self harm fetish... this time it's your left index finger - 175 it's the right?

  • @fredericthom8113
    @fredericthom8113 Před 5 lety +1

    this little thing make you very upset , isn't it ?

  • @MrBlaser51
    @MrBlaser51 Před 4 lety

    Bye the way you index finger looks like you smashed it with something and I pray you are not in discomfort!!!!!