Nissan Leaf 62 kWh road trip to Bergen and Stavanger part 2
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
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A hundred years from now your videos will be part of the school program of all children.
You are a myth.
Thank you for your excellent work.
Hi Björn, this roadtrip was great! It felt like going on vacation without moving. Thanks!
wish we soon will see a 1000km challenge with björn driving the polestar2
I contacted Polestar and they never responed to me.
@@bjornnyland so they are scared of proper testing? Whaaat? They lend Polestar2 to really wild variety of car journalists, they really should give you one for testing too.
@@bjornnyland or give us contact for Polestar and your subscribers can bombard them like crazy to give you polestar2 for testing :D
@@bjornnyland Are they still mad about that Polestar 2 you spotted on that charging station and then they drove away?!? They cant be that stupid?
Polestar have to redesign the front, they notice that Björn liked the Audi front with fisting hole, and polestar don't have that yet.
Yes, Please revenge with NISSAN ARIYA next summer.
Trust me he will do.
The Ariya has a liquid cooled battery, I think it will be much better at getting rid of heat. I sure heated up a LEAF Plus a lot more than him but I did 4 rapid charges in a day
After nearly 10 years of rapidgating or degrading Nissans it needs to be good.
yeah the ariya looks cool
The fact that you can just keep diving until the battery reaches 10% without having to plan where to stop goes to show how much things have changed for EV drivers in Norway since you started your channel!
Found you by happy accident, your videos are great, love the Norwegian travels, hope to be back there soon. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see the MG ZS EV 2020 update, big improvement on the ICE car.
One day Bjorn will stand by a gas car and say this is the last gas car in Norway that would be so funny
Constantijn What about Hydrogen Cars?
Except he will call it the last fosss-sill car in Norway.
I think i would spend the night at a campsite & charge over night. Probably not much more expensive than 1 or 2 extra charge stops, plus adding less heat to the battery.
wow, what a surprise. In real life, 99% of the people won't even expecience rapidgate in the 62kwh Leaf even on longer trips just like Bjorn mentioned in his last vid. Plus you safe 450€ every 3 years of battery cooler fluid. 62kwh Leaf owners have many reasons to be satisfied with this car. Price including rabatte is very good, too.
Wrong, the passive cooling also lets the battery degrade faster. Not good for the environment and your wallet. The passive cooling is a fail... If you drive on the Autobahn or in very hot climate, its a disaster. Very bad EV.
@@kasmopaya2676 Not so different from driving a pre turbo diesel Rabbit
@@gRASp80 what is the degradation rate of your car?
The Leaf is a city car not a travel car. It will do travel but you have to expect stopping more often. When you do few travel in a year that ok else go for an another EV with more range (but also more $$$).
@@gRASp80 Maybe for you, but i saw a Leaf in Asia, Bjørn showed it to us, it had about 80% degradation, only 20% of the capacity was left. The owner was left alone with the costs i think. Disgusting EV, i would ban it. Destroying the battery so fast because they wanted to save 5 bucks for active cooling is a sin for the environment. Never ever will i see the leaf as a good EV. A good EV has good cooling and heating for the battery in winter. A good EV has a perfectly working, wide spread charging network. Leaf has nothing, absolutely nothing. Or in short: Very very bad EV.
Great info. I will do the same thing but with the 40 kW for my vacation. Your tips will be userful to take it slow or a day to chill.
Before changing charger you should let the car fall asleep and try same charger again. Then if the error is still there you can change.
I may have praised Nissan's new Leaf a bit too soon. I've had a 2015 Leaf for nearly four years that I absolutely love so I bought a Left over 2019 SV Plus in April of this year. The vehicle is incredible but I've been massively disappointed by the range. From the many videos and comments on the new 62 kWh Plus model I've been able to surmise that these vehicles are indeed able to go well over 200 miles per charge. Car & Driver drove one at a constant 75 mph for over 180 miles. Buyers should be aware however, that not all are having such success and I believe Nissan may be covering something up. My 2019 SV Plus has less than 6000 miles and according to Leaf Spy has a SOH of 97%. It is attaining an incredible 3.9 miles per kWh. All good news but yet my battery is completely drained after a trip of just 150 miles (under virtually ideal conditions). I've tested this several times now each time barely travelling 150 miles before reaching 0% SOC. Only once was I able to get close to 160 before hitting 0% SOC by driving at 45 mph. I now know that 0% SOC is indeed true because Leaf Spy shows a stack voltage of 347V. I'm worried because this shouldn't be correct and hopefully someone can point out what I'm doing wrong. Where I live is completely flat so I'm able to create a near ideal driving scenario. With tires exactly at 39 psi, cruise set for 55 mph, ambient above 75F, no HVAC or other accessories engaged, no passengers, no load, no traffic essentially non-stop on rt 50/301 this car will achieve 3.9 miles/kWh. However, it will completely exhaust its charge after only 150 miles. Leaf Spy indicates a severely damaged cell (#40), but even that shouldn't be enough to affect mileage that much. There is simply too much anecdotal and empirical evidence now that under such near ideal conditions a new 62kWh Leaf should return well over 200 miles. I bought this vehicle in April of this year at a Nissan dealership near Silver Spring, Md. I've had it there once last month asking them if there could be something wrong with the battery. I had originally told them that I was only able to achieve 175 miles (an estimate because I hadn't taken the car all the way to 0% yet). After finally taking the car to 0% SOC the range turned out to be much worse. The dealership held onto the car for over two weeks and told me they could find no issues and strangely found no issue with cell number 40 (can someone confirm for me if readings from Leaf Spy are legitimate). As well they would not comment on my limited range issue. I'm heading back to the dealership on Monday as the car went into "Turtle" mode after a full charge (I thought Turtle mode was supposed to occur only after the battery was near completely discharged, can someone confirm). I intend to ask the dealership the same question about severely limited range and this time I'm asking them to confirm with their analyzer the batteries SOH, Capacity, average voltage of all cells, the lowest and highest cell voltage. Something is not adding up on this vehicle. A vehicle with a 62 kWh battery that is achieving 3.9 miles/kWh will achieve well over 200 miles. There is simply no way it will be drained after only 150 miles. If the battery were truly 62 kWh but only able to achieve 150 miles then it could not possibly be getting 3.9 miles/kWh. It's weird but it sounds like I've got a Plus model with a 40 kWh battery. I'm hoping others experiencing this scenario will begin speaking up contact their states attorney's office. We need to get this word out.
The dealer should take this seriously. Also show them your math with consumption per mile but still so low range. Maybe the BMS shuts down a cluster of cells if one is bad? Yes, perhaps talk to them about going to the state attorney if that's an option where you live, if the dealer keeps claiming nothing is wrong.
You could post to the LEAF subreddit or the MyNissanLeaf.com site and get more help. I have a LEAF Plus but have not done a range test of full to empty yet, but the GOM is around 200 miles when fully charged in cold weather with heat.
Looks like it's impossible to drive Leaf here in Australia - battery would cook up in 5 minutes...
Leafs really aren't suitable for anywhere as they don't tolerate the heat or cold well. It makes me wonder where Nissan designed them to operate? 🤔
@@mvansumeren4313 UK is the ideal place, cool summers and warm winters.
If you use a third party app like WattCat you can activate Camper Mode in the Jaguar I-Pace 😉
Is a quite new thing
Just to let you know I did a significantly longer trip in one day 21 hours actually. My third fast charge I hit rapidgate 19.5 kw and it was just touching first red bar, 4th fast charge it hit 55C almost 2nd temp bar but still 19.5kw limit. So I did heat my poor SV Plus too much. I had trouble getting rid of heat as well. I got it below red in an hour over a high (cool) mountain pass about an hour in but still hot. Your advice is good. I found you based on my rapidgating my plus this week. I actually did a short 5th charge as well.
I don't see rapid gate being an issue in most situations... even you said you could have trickle charged over night instead of rapid charge. It's a problem for sure. But one most people will not necessarily face...
I'd imagine you could even be a 10 hours a day taxi with these things and not deal with rapid gate as most city driving is 60km or less.
Yeah, no problem for a taxi really. The main issue is long distance inter-city travel. These are perfect for taxis, hence why they are in widespread use.
Love your videos!
At 19:25, or buy some dry ice and fit it below the car wile it charges. 😂
I guess finally Nissan is learning from their mistakes...
04:19, if that was here in the UK everyone would be driving 10cm's away from the car in front.
You can get a fine for not keeping a three second distance here.
I wanted to go to Luxembourg in my 37kwh Leaf this weekend, about 400km one way. Glad I didn't - it was +30C and gas is just 1euro/liter there 😃
nice to show the sleepig and hvac options... cheers
Bare en headsup, ny hurtiglader på olrud handelspark, furnes, rett nord for hamar. 2 minutter unna e6😄
What pressure did you have in your e+ tires? Its way more heavy than 40kWh-version. When you sleep in Nissans turning off the center display saves 100-150Watts, so you come down from 444W. Sleeping in an Evalia costs you 25% of 24kWh battery = 5,25kWh.
Hey! There are 5 ads in this video! A bit much! Is it CZcams's fault?
Don't you think that the B mode in a highway increase battery temp? Because instead of free rolling when you want to decrease speed you instantly throw lots of amps because the car aggressively spots even when you let away a throttle pedal for a sec
no
Yes & no, regen will waste energy compared to freerolling & use that momentum to get up next hill & result in more charging & more heat build up. But not always possible in the real world. That being said after driving 80k km i my 30kw Leaf, driving i B mode do not get you as far as the combo of D mode (most of the time), B mode (down steep decents) & Neutral (down small hills to get up most of next)
You are right, D mode is better for highway efficiency since regen is not wanted when at high speeds. Better to slow down using air and rolling resistance.
Leaf is ok but price for what you get is too much 62kw should be around 25k €
What would the 2nd day have been like if the outside temp was 30-35C vs. 20C? The battery got quite toasty on a normal summer day in Norway, but there are many places where 30+ ambient is the norm this time of year. When exposed to long distance travel, this is a northern climate only car - be very patient if you intend to use it for multi-day trips? Can’t wait to see that Ariya - lots of “needs improvement” boxes checked when designing that one, perhaps putting Nissan back in the game?
Check this video czcams.com/video/3OS3RUNQxWs/video.html and fast forward it to 14 min 05 sec. This is long time journey with 40kWh Leaf in Japan in 37 degrees C. The 62kWh leaf would handle it probably a bit better but still this looks like battery torture.
Could you do the 1000km test again with e-niro MY2020?
I drove a leaf a few months ago; the dealer was in the car with me and I asked him if E-Pedal and B mode were mutually exclusive and if ECO could be used with either of them ... He gave me a look that told me he didn't had a clue, so I thought I'd ask someone who knows
e-Pedal overrides B mode, so no difference between D and B with e-pedal on. Eco mode can be used in D, B and e-pedal modes
Slow charge overnight at 7kw would that work.
Also how often would the average person want to do over 600km in one trip maybe twice a year.
Fossil owners make it sound like 1000 km range in one tank is very important.
Bjørn Nyland Most international road safety authorities advise that drivers take a break from driving after 2 hours / 200km for 20mins.
@@WTFaq you're right about that advice, it's really good advice, but Bjorn is right in the regard of those fossil haters, which claim that they regularly (like at least once a week) they do travel more than 1000km, and of course, ideally without any stops at all, because stops are for loosers, yes! :D
@@apocrypth I know guy that do every week or so trips little over 1050 km on one tank in golf 4 tdi in almost one go, minus pee pauses. 9-10 hour drive. He would go nuts if he must drive electric car. For this type of people, diesels with ok-ish tank volume is must.
the outside temperature was not that high, maybe it's fine in Norwegian climate. But in hot climate zones you just can't use the leaf. For that price that Nissan is asking its not acceptable
‘I don’t know how the passive cooling works’
It doesn’t, Bjorn, nein.
Heelo mr. Byorn.
What are your thoughts of having some 50kw DCFC in the ferries. Cars are parked there for about ,20-30 mins. That would be perfect time to get 40-50% charge while travelling. What could be problems for ferries or charging network for this opportunity charging installation?
RSD Wall , electricity on a ferry would be only from fossil fuel?
It would be too expensive. The best way is to have a battery on the ferry which charges during docking. Easiest and best way is to spend the left-over time to charge like I did.
How about places to charge the cars while you wait and the ferry operator pays for some power from the cars. Unless it's a nuclear powered ferry.
The can you sleep in it test is amazing. But how tall is Bjorn?
173 cm
@@bjornnyland thank you, sir.
So the consensus is Don’t buy a NIssan to drive when its hot.
Hi, how do you keep the car running during the night? Do you keep it in neutral mode? Normally it turns off after some minutes if you keep it on Parking mode?!
if they cool from cabin air, would not running the hvac fan at a higher setting move more air through the battery?
that could be a new test.
@martin it will not work. The batterry are seal. If we could make hole in it and put a pipe direct in it maybe. :)
Please try Model y this summer
Ma la model y sbaglio o non verrà rilasciata in europa finchè non la produrranno nella futura gigafactory a Berlino? Ammenochè non importino un numero limitato di "press cars" non penso sia fattibile...
Isn't this Nissan LEAF 62 KWH much better adjusted for use mostly in Northern Norway? The reason I think so is Norway even at very North does not get too cold like Finnland or Sweden.
@@mariuskotsbak also in Germany, no Problems so far, Trips until 750km... As Björn said, for this car in real life Rapidgate is not a common problem. 99.9% of your trips don't go that far anyway. It's a great car when it comes to price / value at least the "street prices" here in germany are pretty good.
If you don't go on long road trips it's probably fine. But for the price I think there are several alternatives with better battery technology (active cooling).
Amazing thanks Bjorn! What is the Propilot system like?
I see you haven't received a reply. It's ok. I feel it is a bit slow to recognise the road lines, but once it does it handles just fine. The weird part is i feel it sometimes handles steep curves and sometimes it just gives up and want to drive over the middle line. ACC works almost perfectly. It has phantom braked one time in the 10.000km I've driven it. Other than that it works like any other lane-assist and ACC enabled car, I would assume.
Nice. Can you do 1000 km challange in BMW i3, please?
Better E-mini, almost the same, but more relevant because its new.
Hei :)
So in general for normal use, its a good car. And for short trips 600km?
I've noticed that the lights were completely off while you were sleeping in the car. How can you turn them off while the car is idling?
just drive like those ppl in right lane :D 8:30
5.7 NOK is pretty expensive, in my country is equivalent to 2.7 NOK + 0.26 NOK/min. In Norwegian is somewhat expensive to drive EV.
This is with rapidgate. In ideal conditions, you get away with only 3.5 NOK/kWh.
Thats nothing compared to Japan ¥4,200 (364 NOK) subscription fee per month plus ¥15 (1.3 NOK) per minute max 30 minutes to the only charging network in Japan no competition here
@@testsubject Yes, you are right. I live in Japan and this is the problem here.
I wana see the underbody of this car if there is any possible way to install a fan or something for cooling. Do you wan´t to lift it up for us??
R P it wouldn’t make any difference. Whatever cooling you do has to be routed around the battery cells in the pack to have any impact.
Don't drive in B mode or pro pilot. Higher Regen Higher Heat. Humans can anticipate longer range than cruise control so you only speed up when really necessary.
Incorrect. czcams.com/video/equ1wPjeETU/video.html
I wonder how the batteries would behave at medditerian summer?
I wonder if the people who run the charger network would have been able to diagnose anything from *their* end... Analog speedo... wierd.
Hello Bjørn. I'll do 200km a day (100 in the morning and 100 at the end of the day) at highway speeds of 140 km/h. Do you think it will overheat the battery in a Leaf e+? Here in Portugal, in the summer the temperatures can go up 40°c. Congratulations for your videos.
No it won’t
Jeebus Nissan still hasn't figured out how to use a touch screen. Using a wheel to zoom....
Hej. Kan du lide bilen. ?
Sorry for asking here. Is this from his old trip, or he doesn't do live stream for this trip?
No live stream from this trip.
@@bjornnyland Ouh alright, thanks 😅
One of 31k nerds watching this. lol
did leaf use liquid cool for battery now ? I feel that since 2011, the leaf still has the problem of heat of the battery until now.
Nope, Nissan has not learned anything from their previous mistakes. Their batteries are still not thermally managed and this leads to excessive degredation and slow charging speeds. I owned a leaf for five years in northern USA and it was still too hot in this relatively cool climate for the car in the summer.
What's up with all those adds all of a sudden? Didn't watch it all..
looks like YT is stepping up their ad game... Saw it all over the youtube last few days
None here actually. Have hardly seen any ads on YT the last few days actually🤷🏼♂️
its not "beat a dead horse" or something; the saying is about "never saddle a dead horse" . Just to correct this. Excuse me please. Well, is the horse dead? It is. Why dont they do the active cooling? That makes no sense to me at all.
The expression I grew up with is 'flog a dead horse'. Slightly grim!
We all knew the result. All Leafs will eventually rapidgate.
Car made for German highways... lol
62kwt nissan sucks