Stationeers Phase Change Random observations
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- čas přidán 24. 11. 2023
- It has been a while but I hear that some people are having throuble with phase change so it is tome for some unorganised thoughts on the topic. This is a massivly complex machanic to put in a game and I have had more than one attempt to try and organise and simplify without it turing tino complete gibberish. There is too much to do in one video so here is a start.
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the man the myth the legend, he yet lives! i sure missed this in my life.
HE'S BACK CALL OFF THE SEARCH PARTY
Great to see another video! We missed you Mick
You were missed Mick. Glad to see you back at it! Hope all is well in your life. Was worried phase change broke your brain. ;)
Not broken, but it might have brained my damage a little.
YEEEES, back in action !
Look who's back!?
He lives!!!
Wooot! He is back! Yay!
You have been missed! Welcome back 🎉🎉🎉
Woohoo!! My favorite stationeers streamer!! Good to hear from you again
Thank You. I can't tell you how many hours I have spent watching YT trying to figure this out, you made it so easy.
The legendary survivor back :)
Welcome back Mick.
The honorable Mr Mick. Glad to see your back.
Dam welcome back. Guess I'll hold up on that evil cow monument I was building in your honor.
The legend returns! Please make more tutorials on phase change! This one was a great primer and gave me some things to go try but I want to see more ways to automate gas handling in my base and ain't nobody better at that kind of thing than this guy right here.
More to come.
Long time no see, i'm glad you're alive!
Welcome back!
Welcome back, Really thought we lost you.
Welcome back. This video is so timely. I just started playing again and could not figure out why all my pipes were exploding. Thanks. 😅
Glad you're back and ty for sharing your thoughts on it!
Great video! So glad you are back with stationers videos 😊🎉
Back from the grave!! He lives!! Frabjous day!!!!
So glad to see you back Mick!
we've missed you!
You've been missed!
So glad to see you back, and thank you for this discussion on the phase change update.
Missed your content - hope all is good with you, soooooo good to see a new vid! Welcome back man! You deserve all the rest you want! :D I must admit I seriously rely on your brain power to prevent my brain melting with this game ! Sincerest thank you!
Missed you, your content is like a drug for us. everyone here has been on withdrawals.
as for the gas pipe stress damage, in industrial steam plants where your dealing with moving gas's, if there is any form of condensation, it can start to impinge damage on the inside of pipes, leading to pipe failures. this is mainly because of the high velocity of the gas going from high pressure to typically a vacuum. high velocity + small dense condensate can lead to pipe damage. liquid pipes work the way they do, because its assumed that its a low velocity flow.
basically, liquid pipes are protected by the friction of the liquid interacting with the wall of the pipe, creating a sort of buffer or cushion. this is due to laminar flow. where the velocity of the liquid at the pipe wall is slower then the liquid at the center of the pipe. with gas's, the flow is more turbulent, which is why liquids, or condensate, cause pipe damage. in steam system, there is typically a set of moisture separator's between the boiler region and the steam pipe header.
Good health and tidings to you, my friend! Glad to see you out and about again!
Yay Micks back i was just back rewatching terraforming Mars but this update looks like that would have been almost impossible never mind europa and vulcan looking forward to the next playthrough
So glad you're back! I usually waited until you put out a video on a new system to give it a good go, but this hiatus made me work on it myself. Cooling/Heating is definitely challenging, but also super rewarding when you finally get a stable system (stable for a particular planet or setup anyway). I'm glad you're back, but you were 2 days too late! I *JUST* realized that method of getting breathable gas from Mars 2 days ago! I can't wait to see what you come up with on the actual heating/cooling portion.
This one has taken me quite a while to learn it and simplify it so I can explain it. I have a very simple safe room for Vulcan that I will be explained soon.
great to see you.
I haven't really been playing, waiting for the cows to come to roost.
The cows are laying again.
Finally. I was craving some quality content. 👍
Awesome seeing a video from you again Mick! Hope all is well and we're going to see even more.
More to come. I am still figuring it out.
Aaah thank god he’s back!!
I was so scared you had stopped CZcams :(
So happy to see this video. I am just starting a first playthrough on Mars and this has helped me understand the changes. Glad you are back.
Woooohooo...good to hear from you again Mick!
I "cheated" with the hole gas/pipe/storage thing... Keep it all in gas form, and be a noob on the "free cooling" (or heating) vaporization and condensation can bring.
Thank you for returning.
Its cool to see a video from you again! Was just thinking about both you and this game and was wondering if there would be more stuff.
Always lots of great observations. Had no idea about some of these numbers
Glad you're back. I greatly enjoy your ramblings and gameplay. Hope all has been well.
OUR LORD HATH RETURNED. THE PROPHECY HATH BEEN FULFILLED. LONG LIVE MICK HAIL MICK
He is back!!!! :D
Yes another video ❤❤
WELCOME BACK MICK!!!
I'm so glad you are making videos again! Hope all is well in the real world and you are looking after yourself if needed.
Thank you Mick!
For safety, you need to pre-pressurize liquid pipes with a gas before you ever think of pushing liquids into it because you need to prevent evaporation. You can store pollutants and Nos just fine as liquids. Both if those are good coolants to use when making phase change heating/cooling devices and you will want to have ample storage of them.
The storage systems that work seem overly complex, I am sure there is an elegant system, but I havent found it yet. More inventing still required.
@@cowsareevil7514 I suppose it depends on how much you want to automate to help keep excess phase changes from blowing pipes due to freezing or overpressurizing. Insulated pipes and tanks are half the battle. It isnt too hard to have a storage tank that you can cool/heat up and then filter out gases to their respective tanks with forms of temp control to keep them steady.
Welcome back mick!!!
Welcome BACK!!!!
🎉🎉🎉 he’s back
Welcome Back!!
Welcome back Kotter!!!!
Sadly, I am old enough to know that reference.
He's back!! :D
Welcome back, good to see your back!!
Woohoo!!
Have you tried loop the following safety loop: Crusher--->Gas pipe--->Valve---Liquid pipe---->Valve---> Loop back to starting gas pipe. Do this on all pipes.
I will try it out.
I'm running a Nitrous fuel mix in my furnace by first pre-heating the gasses to 25C and then mixing them into an insulated tank. At that temperature you can fit more than enough fuel mix into the tank without over-pressurizing it and turning it into a liquid and it won't explode unless it gets above 50C.
I'm currently building my next furnace though, and it's going to rely on live-mixing the fuel. I'm not a fan of keeping pre-mixed just sitting around.
P.S. When the update occurred my fuel mix was under enough pressure that as soon as I loaded in it rose to above 50C and would have exploded except... the developers put a check in for that kind of situation and *kindly* replaced all my fuel with inert nitrogen.
welcome back chief!
I store my N2O above liquify temperature. For fuel mixing I have a section with inline tanks at a low pressure e.g. 700 kPa, connected with a controlled heater and a radiator plus the same for the H2 both are interconnected via a gas/gas heat exchanger. Heaters keep both sections at e.g. 20 °C and if temperature is in spec. the mixer activates and tops up my insulated fuel tank. Easy and super save as long es you have enough energy for the heaters.
I think the only solution for compact NOS fuel storage is storing both gases separately and over engineer the thermal regulation for compression and decompression stages.🧑🚀
Never leave me again.
COOLING THE MOON: I use a closed loop pipe with radiators outside and inside. Filled only with 4 MPa of Nitrogen using a cannister filler. You can also use base atmoshhere, but will need to add a drain valve for the CO2 that will ultimately freeze in the outside pipe. Add a digital valve and some simple temperature logic and I am cooling a fairly sizeable base with only 25 Watts worth of Valve and 4x radiators on the outside and 4x radiators on the inside.
Need to add plasma and super fluid phases. Just need to use 32 cores and 128 gigs of ram
I might tap out on that one. There is a reason most games don't do liquids, so this was very ambitious from the devs.
NOS/Vol autoignites at 50C, FWIW.
I just barely learnt how to play the game and they released this phase change update lol
Christmas is one month early...
we missed you
Hello, I used Nitrous by keeping the pressure low and making it as needed. Worked fine with no explosions.
WOAHHH!!! COWS ARE EVIL!!!!!!!
since liquids can't be compressed, if the pipe got liquids in it its available volume for gaz decreases
would be intresting to see if you could build a Phase change cooling system with it, like a AC Unit.
in theory it should work. might become annoying to deal with.
you can. Phase changing cools(evaporation) or heats(Condensation) and with the two phase change devices added, you can build a fairly efficient cooling/heating system to make use of phase changes. Only drawback is it gets very material and space intensive because you need to do all the plumbing and fill the pipes with the coolant you intend to use for a given temperature range.
yea i know it should be possible, but doing it in a somewhat controlled way is the hard part. it should be quite intresting to run
kinda wanted a closed loop for controling temperature for a while using a closed loop of gasses and liquids
Condensation chamber connected to evaporation chamber with insulated gas and liquid pipes in between make a good closed loop system. The heat exchange lines on either chamber can be connected depending on whether you need heating or cooling. The other chamber is then connected to a stable temperature source and is used to dump/pull heat from. Set the pressure settings and voila, done. Nothing else to fret about unless you do something really bad to the heat exchange lines on either chamber.
This can be done and has made Vulcan a lot easier to survive.
I'm really really hoping that they are working on some advanced settings that can disable the phase change.
Who hopes so?
What's wrong with it?
Other than condensation in my Pipes I haven't had too much trouble with it, especially with the insulated pipes.
Though I have only setup basic filtration and purge loops.
@@jweebo1463 I had a greenhouse on the Moon and when I loaded it, it just wasn't there.
@@jweebo1463of course I like it, but I don't on my old save where things are built to withstand pressure calculated with old game rules and equations.
Honestly, I'm loving the phase changing. I don't get to play the game that often, but I've set a challenge for myself. I'm building an atmospherics plants that can take in, separate, and store every gas. and there will not be a single filtration or aircon in site.
@@shadowskippie that sounds interesting. And I have seen it, it's possible.
My biggest passion is math so when I get to it, I'll try to make a calculator. I can work out square roots by hand and even in my head (but it takes me about 10 minutes to get 4 significant digits) so in order to speed myself up, I'll try to write a programme. And maybe even some music machine.
Bro, you are no longer allowed to go on extended leaves of absence without permission! Seriously, glad to see you still kicking.
When you did the co2 filtering demo, how much of the output co2 was then drawn in by the active vent?
Probably a lot. On my base, I have the vents and drains on opposite sides of the base to reduce that happening.
Cooling is so easy on mars. Just use tihs ecces liquid CO2 as coolant for evaporation chambers. It has immence cooling power. And verry power eficent, you just need to turn on vents at night when its cool.
While this will be fun to explore ... the learning curve required for new players is surely far too steep.
That's what makes it fun. The game needs to stay complex. Everything is being dumbed down, to make it easier. When that happens, you end up with rather simple people.
@@jeremymoore16 I know what you mean, but the complexity previously was optional, like the 'programming' or 'electronics' to automate stuff. Those of us with hundreds or thousands of hours in-game, can add stuff like this and enjoy the challenge, but when does it become 'too much' for the beginners?
This is risk that the devs were aware of and mentioned in the update so it was a risky thing to do. Mars is still reasonbly simple for getting started as the phase change can mostly be avoided there with a few drains on the pipes.
I don't know much about thermodynamics or phase change but shouldn't liquified gasses lose temperature? The liquid seems quite a bit hotter than the gas temp when the gas liquifies
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His back?
It's his front, mate.
Ok grammar nuts you showed everyone you are better....
You know, it really doesn't take that much. And it's not about "showing that one is better" but to hopefully make other people better. Yes, that means the hope is that you'll end up better.
Behave with your exploding pipe :)
Not sure if I am being slow here, but doesn't this phase change stuff make a nonsense of the gas/liquid pipe thing ... aren't all pipes the same now?
edit to add, how do you move gas out of a liquid pipe?? (this is nonsense). Either as separate liquids and gasses with different pipes, of have phase changes with one type of pipe.
I'm pissed off with how stupid this is. ...thought it might be fun to experiment, but it is just so stupid having gas/liquid pipes, and all sorts of valves etc to move gasses and liquid phases between them .... If they were trying to add realism, they failed.
recently tried the game again ... but the pipes carp ruins it for me.
I really detest this state change nonsense.
Phase change implementation ruined the game for me.
if they adjusted the pipes to allow more pressure before bursting, i think that would be a great balance to still have this change and be more forgiving to learn and experiment on. They just burst way to easy at this time. I have a love/hate relationship with the new phase changing system. in most cases I love it because it is a new challenge for me, I can now separate gasses like we do in real life instead of using magic filters. and I can control what I want to heat or cool down with out using power.
You are moving every second...
I can´t watch your Video, sry.