The COMPLETE Genshin Impact Character Tier List (2023)
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First off, if you’re reading this, thank you for taking the time to do so. I appreciate that you’re willing to hear out my thought process and rationale instead of jumping to (negative) assumptions on my take on your main~. Anyways, it should go without saying that Tier Lists are ENTIRELY subjective and NOT meant to be used as factual information. This is purely for entertainment purposes. That being said, I tried my best to get this peer reviewed by credible names in the Genshin theorycrafting community while standing by my own choices based on opinion.
Furthermore, understand that it would be virtually impossible to account for every single nuance, edge case or “what if” scenario when rating a character. Also, I’m fully aware that I may have forgotten or overlooked a scenario that would elevate or undermine a character’s position on the tier list, so if you think I forgot something crucial (that more importantly, is practical and not an extreme edge case) feel free to let me know! That being said, here are some guidelines that I follow:
- Waifu over Meta ALWAYS AND FOREVER
- Tier list is NOT ordered.
- Tier list grading is based on a spectrum not a hard cutoff. In other words, a character’s placement on a tier isn’t uniform. For example, one character in tier 2 might be very close to tier 1, whereas another character in tier 2 might be very close to tier 3. Therefore if you go “I can’t believe you put X in the same tier as Y”, please keep that in mind.
- Constellations are evaluated on a case by case basis. I know most people say C6 for 4 stars and C0 for 5 stars, but since this doesn’t account for f2p/p2w status, I’m gonna be applying whatever constellations are relevant for the character that are also within reasonable limits. In other words, I assume that the hypothetical player can afford to get C6 on a 4 star, and at least like C1 or C2 on a 5 star.
- Tier list is NOT a guide for who to pull. Once again, this is just my opinion on how good and usable the character currently is. Please consult a guide channel on whether or not you should pull for them (Zy0x, Zajef77, Braxophone and Sevy are good channels to follow if you’re looking for credible info)
- Characters are graded based on general circumstances. Hyper specific situations are disregarded since that can undeservedly skew the practical usefulness of a character in their favor.
Finally I apologize in advance if I didn’t go as in depth on every character as you may have liked me to. I was trying to keep this video from going too long. However, if you would like me to go in depth on my reasoning for a character, feel free to send me a DM on my twitter or join my discord server and @ me in the genshin impact channel. I’d be happy to elaborate :)
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qiqi was my first five star😭 i get it though the only way i was able to make her good was clam
I can't wait for a hypothetical video where Vars starts with "These are not opinions, these are facts. You can't play whoever you want. This is a personal attack."
Evil Vars be like:
April 1st is coming around the corner you know~
@@VarsII uh oh hahaha
@@tencive5749that's a good CZcams channel
@@VarsII Yessss plz
I think it would be really interesting if you made a tier list on how cohesive each character’s kit is, like seeing how well their skills and burst work with each other or pointing out any issues in synergy or energy problems, etc.
yes this!
This is a great idea, especially for this channel.
Dehya: LMAO as if anything works in there
@@skylernguyen8600 id be impressed if something DIDNT go wrong in there
Yanfei Tier 0
Venti is that character that you’ll occasionally get reminded that the primos you spent for him is worth it. Every time the Abyss floor is Ventifiable, you always get that relief feeling lol
He's so nice for exploration too. Honestly I use him more than I should, he's so fun.
Ventifiable lol
I use him in even the non ventifiable floors cus his skill packs serious damage
I have kazooha and I still want venti anyways lol.
@@ae831 Well, there are two teams in the abyss and only one kazuha
Vars: puts Xiao and Scaramouche in Tier 3
Also Vars: puts Faruzan - their support which requires C6 to keep going - into Tier 2
Well if it comparing c6 4*s to c0 5*s I think that is fair. Supports have more use cases than hypercarrys do. That said, I don't think comparing c6 4*s to c0 5*s is fair. The cost to pull is to different. Average pulls for a rate up c0 5* is 105. Average pulls for a specific rate up 4* at c6 is around 260. So a better comparison is c3-4 4*s to c0 5*s. With the exception maybe being 4*s that appear in the shop rotation.
@@Nowaylarry Agree. Although it's hard for me to imagine Faruzan with someone other than hypercarry. I can't see the reason why would I pair Faruzan with Venti, Sucrose or Kazuha. So only Xiao or Scara it is.
@@absolutelydoesntmatter Fair enough. Though at c6 Faruzan can also just be run as a hypercarry herself. She's actually better at it than Heizou due to having better AOE. My personally opinion on her is that she is whale bait and a waste or resources without c6 though. You could get two rate up 5*s in the less pulls than it would take on average to get her c6.
@@absolutelydoesntmatter Faruzan gives any anemo character she buffs 49% extra damage on their final number. I'm just waiting for someone who can take advantage of it better besides Xiao and wanderer since these two don't help Faruzan that much since she needs a lot of ER.
@@MsDestroyer900 Heizou?
I feel like under your criteria Faruzan and Mika should go in tier 3 because they're situational and only for the situations in which you're using characters you put in tier 3 (Xiao, Wanderer, Eula).
Gorou as well. At least sara has some genericity in her atk buff
Vars trynna dig his grave here
Lmao
Well everyone here knows that GI community is very vocal and are easy to piss off by anything
It's a game, play it don't live it
What do you mean, this is a great tier list. You're probably just mad that your fav character is near the bottom
@@paulyvii The comment never implied about being mad, more so implying about how easily triggered the community can be in terms of tier lists and their opinions of power
This is a really balanced tier list pretty much agree with everything made and I completely agree with the whole "what if situations make someone higher" ideology but overall this list pretty much makes complete sense except for 1 thing, I dont understand why Wanderer, Xiao, and Eula are in Tier 3 while Itto is tier 2, they basically all are in the same boat as each other yet Itto is 1 tier above them and if anything Itto requires even more investment than the other 3 since he basically relies on the all geo comp with people like gorou, albedo, and zhongli while Eula, Wanderer, and Xiao can have flex spots on their teams. Thats my only nitpick tho if i were to change the list i would either knock Itto down a tier or move the other 3 up one.
Yea my biggest issue with this was how low Xiao and Wanderer were. I mainly agree with everything else except for Zhongli being in T2 but my God, T3 was just a mess.
dawg this is wrong asf, any theorycrafter would laugh at this, including me
@@blastzd so true, like ur amazing vars but pls recheck ur notes.
@@eulalord9617 in all of his videos he always seems to make ONE mistake that makes him look so questionable
Xiao wanderer and itto yes, but not eula. Eula is worse
I honestly really love Beidou, one of my main characters, her counter is just so good. I love using her burst with Childe’s skill for electro charge
imo she's in a similar situation to Venti. Situational and pretty meh when she doesn't work but when she does she's one of the strongest characters in the game at c6 (that situation being against 2 tanky targets simultaneously)
That fireworks teams really fallen off after international became the spotlight team
@@Ben-vg6ox fireworks was never Beidou's best team, it's taser. Even in taser though she's very strong, personally in my Mona taser team my Beidou can do 30k per tick and at c2+ she ticks 3-5 times a second against 2 targets
She isn't good tho
@@banjoowo4001 she's highly underrated honestly, my Beidou sometimes does the most damage out of anyone in my team, doing close to 1 mil per rotation in optimal rotations (500k to each enemy)
i was realy dissapointed by dehya, the whole community was waiting for her since 3.0 and then this happend like why did hoyoverse do that i mean her burst scaalings are so low, have u ever seen bennett as a support character in the trial 💀
well they're already planning to buff her on patch 3.7... those who have her, like me, will just have to wait and see
@@gemargonzaga2126 are you talking about the artifact set? the one that just got nerfed from an 8s duration to 5s?
@@gemargonzaga2126 are you sure you're not running low on copium over there?
@@gemargonzaga2126 yeah, emblem is dogshit, new set so good, triple her damage
@@gemargonzaga2126 what buff ? there's no credible info about anything in 3.7 besides new character. if you're talking about the new artifact, it's coming in 3.6, and in barely even better than emblem sometime worse
I'm surprised to see Wanderer and Xiao so low, at the same tier as 4 star Heizou and Dehya.
Calling Dehya a 4-star is disrespectful the the Furious Five of 4-stars
She's the first 3-star character
As who have xiao, i agree with tht :')
Xiao is fun to play, i like him, but i have problem for er and crit rate (mine is 60+ cr)hahaha
Compare with ayato, sure ayato more easy to play, but im not sure about xiangling
Xiangling without raiden is more terible than xiao :') (my xiangling for sure)
yeah .. higher than itto and gorou for some reason. kinda disagree on that one, fact that itto needs a set while those 2 can do just 2pcs 2pcs esp xiao. and itto cannot be used outside of mono geo.
Yeah but I don't think it's a problem with their evaluation rather than Vars not making enough tiers for some obviously better characters to distinguish themselves from the worse ones
I think Xiao and Wanderer's placement was the only thing I disagreed with for this whole video. I just feel like despite being Anemo DPS, they've got numbers that still outdamage the 4 star DPS. I don't think they necessarily require much investment from experience. I mean, Itto requires a very expensive team and he still managed to get to Tier 2. So I would've put Xiao and Wanderer in Tier 2 also
I really like your reasoning for the higher tiers and emphasis on universally strong support characters over the ones with the highest possible damage numbers.
He's Tier 0 is pretty accurate coming from someone whose double crowned all of them except for Fischl. I would say that Zhongli should be Tier 1 at the least because hes so universal and can be used as a filler on any team comp.
Kokomi being this high warms my heart. She's come so far
Kokomi mains on their way to type omg my fish is at the top omg i can't beleive she has come this far omg she was bullied on her release omg
@@sankaranarayanan4479 literally every single time
Kokomi the only instance i know who deny people rejections since release, "who needs healer when i have infinite shield", "negative crit no personal dmg", "her hydro application too slow", when the next enemy patches nerf entire shielder rosters and still going on while dendro patch skyrocket demands for hydro, yae miko come close but people can see her future buff a little more than kokomi, so those who pull kokomi feels like they are an oracle who can see the future 🤣🤣, i myself pull her on her first rerun and i have all hydro 5stars except childe, somehow i always pick her when building my team for abyss, either freeze or hyperbloom
We love kokomi for valid reasons. She both meta and waifu. She's not the best option but when you have her you'll forget what a shield means 😂
Kokomi is good for whole different reasons Mihoyo intended her to be. She should have been an on field healer, but her strong point is being a E bot, that is lucky to have a perfectly fitting support weapon and artifact set.
For Chongyun, the video says “but reverse melt isn’t as strong as forward melt.” While that’s true from a multiplier perspective, aren’t reverse reactions generally preferred over forward reactions due to elemental gauge, with the strong element being applied taking away too much of the aura, thus fewer overall reactions occurring?
Yes, he's coping. It's like Vape is strong with a Childe/Mona nuke, but that's 1 hit and it's hard to reliably do. Reverse vape and reverse melt are far superior for that very reason.
However, you CAN do things like Melt Diluc with C6 Kaeya by infusing Kazuha's Q with cryo before Bennett and Diluc do their thing. It's very good and honestly I think the best setup for Diluc.
Yeah even though pyro on cryo is a 2x multiplier, it takes up 4x more (2U) of the elemental gauge
Cryo on pyro is only 1.5x but it takes 0.5U of the gauage
19:28
"you are taking a massive DPS cut with Zhongli"
While Zhongli on the background proceeding with oneshotting the anemo cube with over 200k AOE damage.
With a bunch of buffs and stats you don't know. Those kind of "showcases" usually use crit fishing builds. You have a ton of damage stats at the expense of crit chance, then you keep trying until the attack crits.
Almost all characters in this video were dishing out 50k-190k+ attacks
@@destroreact5706 with exactly the same setup. Stats you don't know (probably 15% Crit rate, 300% Crit damage) + big buffs like Bennett and Mona, and an amplifying reaction like Melt or Vaporize when possible. Good for Damage Per Screenshot, bad for Damage Per Second.
Sometimes even on targets that take increased damage in their weakened states, like Scaramouche who has -140% Resistances to everything except Electro (-80% in that case).
Those clips are absolutely pointless. They only serve to misled people who don't know how the game works.
@@AndresLionheart I know. I dont like those kinds of builds either too inconsistent. I like seeing a LOT of numbers on my screen not one big number. Thats why my main team is an aggravate team :)
and the 20 layers of buffs in the background too
You are a brave, brave soul. It is kind of funny that the physical buffer went into a higher tier than the physical DPS. Physical mains, you have my pity, my admiration, and not a small amount of fear.
I think it's a pretty good list overall, but some things:
-Xiao and Wanderer should probably be in the same tier as Itto and Cyno. They both have gameplay aspects that make them shine as on-fielders (Xiao's AOE/Wanderer's auto-aim etc.), and they deal very similar amounts of damage to the other DPS characters in that tier
-I'd put Venti and Zhongli a tier above. Venti's kit just works really well with his Anemo element, even without things like EM or DMG% buffing. Meanwhile Zhongli decreases the difficulty of the game like no other character. On a side note, I'd put Raiden a tier below. She's broken, but she's the "balanced" type of broken. Characters like Nahida and Yelan straight up trivialize the game, so for me there's a slight distinction between Raiden and those other characters.
well, i agree with u on pretty much on every point but raiden stays in tier 0, simply cuz of the fact of just how flexible raiden actually is. her rational team is the most consistent performing team period and she even fits in pretty much any dendro-electro team, be it aggravate support or hyperbloom really well. she is the best battery in the game and her c2 makes her absurdly broken, which is attainable by f2ps as well. a c2 yelan won't be beating raiden. and nahida is quite restrictive to only dendro related teams.
Nah this take sucks raiden is broken as fuck, being super versatile and really strong in the roles she can fill
Venti is “very effective” only in ventifiable enemies. That being said he is really good at what he do, like fucking good. Zhongli, well you can really play without Zhongli so he is situational. If you need him then he is definitely very reliable, i find my self not using him too much for more dps even though mhy released that overload one shot last abyss. Even a Xingqiu or Beidou is enough to compensate for missed dodge. Raiden is tier zero for the fact that she is almost usable to any team comps and you wont lose dps. She has a great synergy to almost every character.
@@fzhs7030 bro u r just crying rn. Rational team is the best national team in the game, beating chulde national easily coz of her amazing er regen for the team. Looks like I don't have a raiden lmao. And no, just cuz a unit is in a specific element, doesn't mean they will stay in the same team as the element. Raiden here is your example. She fits really well in national team, which is not electro or dendro. She fits in eula team, again much more flexible. She fits in taser, aggravate, hyperbloom, her own hypercarry team and so much more. And how tf getting over 50% better dmg at just c2 is not a big deal to lmao. At c2, she dumps almost any f2p team there is in the game in most scenarios.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle childe national is a lot better and more versatile dawg, specially in AOE, plus not playing rational frees up raiden for a hyperbloom team
personaly id put xiao and scara t2. while they do require much investment the payback is quite worthy
Yes specially when itto who also requires very heavy investment is a tier above them
@@ZedekiahNSthe reason for that is cuz he doesnt use bennett
Yeah i agree too, they are the only main DPS he gave wrong tiers. All others were accurate
@@ZedekiahNS anemo mains
@@harryvpn1462 eh, not using bennett is less of an advantage nowadays than it was in the past just because there are many good comps now thanks to dendro as a whole that dont use bennett
For last abyss I wasn't able to clear floors in time with Eula, so I played hyperbloom Razor instead of her and had MUCH easier time.
The state of Eula and physical as a whole makes me cry.
I think Mika was supposed to be her support but then they locked him behind c6 and even then he doesn't really make her much better. I'm still saving wishes for her but I doubt she'll provide any use for my teams when she comes out.
I am waiting for baizhu to create ultimate hyperbloom razor.
@@dynamichd4048 his burst cost is too much too. Idk why theres a fixation on making supports have 70-80 costs. 2 electro, zhongli + Eula remains easier because they build so much energy. Shame
@@straawberryfieldsforever His buffs aren't even tied to his burst
The abyss with wind worm?
Having Layla that far under Diona is ridiculous. Her shield is stronger with better uptime. she’s also great at proccing tenacity.
I think overall your very accurate. Faruzan, xiao, and wanderer should all be in the same category, I’d move venti and zongli I think up one tier zongli personal damage is lacking but enables yoi, ganyu, and Hutao more damage and provides resistance shread while venti I think you meet in the middle with his tier placement with the 3 tiers and Dehya can go down one tier imo. Otherwise I think it’s fine 👍
i agree. the faruzan, xiao, wanderer placements seem really questionable especially considering the other non-reaction focused hypercarry itto a tier placed above them when he requires more investment.
Faruzan should be Tier 3, imo. Her kit design is atrocious. You either need her C6 or 300% ER for her to even be functional. That’s crazy. And the average player would most likely take several banners to get all her cons.
@@fzhs7030 Yes, but most people are not playing triple anemo in a Xiao or Wanderer team, especially Wanderer. Faruzan doesn’t just need a lot, she literally needs at least 300% with Fav Bow if she’s not C6 to be usable. Not everyone watches Genshin stuff, but multiple streamers were testing her at C0 when she first came out and it was rough. Most energy hungry characters need around 180-200. A 4-star that’s only good with maxed cons is not a good kit design.
And yeah, it’s definitely arguable. Hu Tao, Ganyu, and Ayaka are all better at C0 than Wanderer. Faruzan makes Xiao more competitive than he was, certainly, but again, only when she’s maxed. Which could take most people a couple of banners. I still don’t have a single copy of Kuki and I’m a high spender.
I agree with Zhong moving up since he’s such a great general option but also Hu Tao’s best teams generally don’t use him. Xingqui’s damage reduction and healing + Hu Tao’s burst healing is more than enough defensive utility and lets you slot in Xiangling or Fischl for either better aoe coverage or overvapes.
These are also the exact changes I would make to the list.
I know Vars said that even within each tier there's a spectrum, but putting Wanderer and Xiao a tier below Yuniin, Jean, Kaeya, Rosaria, and their dedicated support (Faruzan) is very questionable.
Also, I feel like team survivavility is often ignored/undervalued in meta tier lists. For 90+% of Genshin's playerbase, Zhongli should be at least Tier 1.
And yes, Dehya is definitely Tier 4.
11:24 For the record Electro has 11 characters (not counting MC) tied with Pyro and Cryo. But I still can see why it'd be considered saturated because (1 dendro and (2 Electro has had characters much more frequently than the other two
Cryo's last 2 characters were Layla and Shenhe, with the last real DPS being Ayaka (2.0) and Pyro's last two characters were Dehya and THOMA, with their last big DPS being Yoimiya (Again 2.0)
And since 2.0 we've gotten Cyno, Kuki, Yae and Raiden freaking Shogun! (also dori and sara) So it's little wonder why those two elements feel stagnant right now
I was thinking about this recently and I think stagnant is the perfect word. As far as five stars, Shenhe was the last Cryo back in 2.4 and Dehya is barely a character. There’s been so much dendro and dendro-related characters (Cyno/Nilou) this version, understandably as it’s the new element, but I’m honestly tired of it already lol. Crossing my fingers for a new Cryo five star in Fontaine.
Remember the days when we were getting upset because they hadn't released an Electro character for the first like 10 months of the game?
@@Pelfmiester Yup. And also when Pyro and Cryo did have the biggest roster, so seeing 1.5 was like "wow, ANOTHER Pyro and Cryo character? What gives?" Oh how young we were
My heart smiles seeing Miko on Tier 1
Same, she’s the queen.
my dead ass just read Mika and I wondering for a second what I missed
Same. GOAT of the Inazuma "arcs" imo since she just pops in, says "here's how to beat up my bff", then later saves your life. Also, she's the hilarious embodiment of "gatekeep gaslight girlboss" in a game where most characters are just generically good people
Ever since I first heard her voice and saw her design i decided I must have her.
The day her banner came out I got her and triple crowned her and lvl 90 her and the widsith.
Then I got her C1 on her rerun :D I’ve been so happy with her safe high dmg output. So helpful.
@@fzhs7030 True but Miko also has better synergies. Miko + Nahida is genuinely broken and can carry an entire Abyss side on it's own. Throw in Fischl and you might as well AFK. Also honestly, the gameplay issues aren't really that bad once you get used to her. I'll be the first to admit Miko has issues, the lack of knockback resistance on her 'E' is bad design, but after playing her for awhile her gameplay issues stopped being a bother after the first week. You eventually learn to deal with them.
I feel like you should've added an extra tier cause the fact Dehya, Candace and Dori are in the same tier as characters like Xiao, Wanderer, Eula and Diluc is.. well.. questionable at the very least..
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Exactly.
And faruzan is higher than all of them despite being garbage before c6 (which isn’t realistic for a lot of people since she’s only had 1 banner)
Other than the xiao and wanderer placement, id say its solid. Xiao and wanderers argument for needing high investment also applies to itto. And i really dont think xiao and wanderer deserve to be in the same tier as chongyun,klee,diluc etc (even tho u put a disclaimer at the start i cant really justify thier positions among any of the other units placed in t3 and i do think they are better than a considerable amount of characters u put at t2)
Also shouldve mentioned razor's thundering furry comp as it is acually really good against aoe content. Does that bump him up a tier i dont know but it at least deserves a mention imo.
Also yea dehya low key does deserve that tier 5 lol
Wanderer and xiao also don't need that much investment to be good. They can rock a 2pc VV or desert pavilion with a 18% atk 2 piece and be perfectly fine with those.
exactly what i thought. also, the only problem xiao and wandrer face is just that they don't have a good 4 star weapon for them. other than that, they r actually quite easy to built with c rate built into their accension stat. like how can somone put xiao and wanderer in the same tier as barbara, dori, klee, diluc, lyala, candace, thoms, razor , etc. both of them are significantly better than any of those who r placed with them. i can kinda understand for eula cuz she really does have many problems but vars really went quite harsh on xiao and wanderer. other than that, i think the tier list is pretty much on point.
@@Mugiduck Keep in mind that investment is not just artifacts, but their supports, own constellations, weapons, and team comp matter as well.
For that matter, Itto has the advantage of not needing a C6 Gorou, but both Wanderer and Xiao "need" a C6 Faruzan.
His tier list does say that all 4 stars are C6 in mind, but it's quite unrealistic for newer 4 stars like Faruzan and Mika.
@@lewsee5562 Neither xiao nor wanderer need c6 faruzan especially xiao. He was getting along just fine long before faruzan came. Also isnt itto even less flexible than them basically requiring mono geo to even be good along woth an artifact set while the other 2 can combine 2pcs? I have a c0 faruzan without fully upgraded artifacts and she gets the job done.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle Actually wanderer has a great 4 star weapon in the widsith at his disposal. I guess the only bad thing about the weapon is the rng where you might get increased EM instead
For anyone who didn't know Dori has literally one use and that's to allow electro to swirl when you play a quicken team because her burst applies electro on your character Kazuha or anemo characters in general can swirl electro for your DPS like Keqing But that isn't enough to make her a tier 3 character
For a battery character that batteries people through her burst, it's ironic that she needs a battery herself, like, why? Seems so counterintutive.
Dori also is REALLY good for energy.
Dori has strange niche uses. For example, that burst of hers counts as your on-field taking damage. This lets your Beidou use her c4 as an on-field aggravate character. You can use her with Bennett as well which will cause overload explosions each second. She will provide a bit of healing an energy recharge. None of these niche uses are all that useful currently.
@@AzureDrag0n1 kinda sounds like Sunfire Jean but with Dori and overload instead
Dori has another fun use, her self infusion allows Sayu to self infuse electro and roll around for aggravate or hyperbloom. Sumeru characters have a lot of unique interactions but they all critically lack in damage letting them down.
Layla has really been carrying my account, tho i may be bad at building or something. I can pretty much have her skill and burst up at all times and it also does off field cryo damage. She is a great battery, especially if you use that "burst = energy for the rest of the party" artifact set.
@@bahjin2683 I think the point was that she had a niche, but she didnt do it better than some other characters, but still effective. Personally im still using her.
Great video and I pretty much agree with everything. I do disagree with xiao as a tier 3 though. I’m not a xiao main, but I have invested quite a bit into him so I’m definitely a bit biased, but it seemed like your main point for him is that he takes a lot of investment. While that’s true, I think most hyper carries need a lot of investment to shine, as that’s how they’re designed and not meant to be as low investment as many supports are. And if you do invest in him he’ll do very well. I’d say he’s a solid tier 2
Seeing eula at tier 3 broke my heart
Yep. However I will still wait to pull her cuz i need thicc mama in my virtual life.
Same and puts Mika tier 2. 😢
I’m so happy to have her as I love her, and she’s super fun to use especially with SoBP, but man she sucks in the new Abysses. I have a very good build, 61-206 with 139 ER and 2300 Attack without SoBP passive. Using Rosaria buffs my CR. She does around 25k Normal Attacks without buffs, but that’s just so lacking nowadays unfortunately.
Honestly she doesn't deserve that tier. She should be one up. The only difficulty she has is against ruin guards, other than that she shreds all enemies to bits. I don't understand how could he put her in the same tier as dehya 💀
@@khonsenwright4986 they forgot what Eula brings to the table. She can handle MaguKenki and Wenut in 7 secs after pressing Burst. Dropping 400-600k without Bennett is no tier 3. Im running Raiden, Rosaria and Zhongli with all of them using fav lance, so no ER issues. Eula nuke bosses in seconds giving my 2nd team a comfort time. ☹️☹️
Putting Sara below Gorou, Yun Jin, Faruzan and Mika is questionable when all of them do the same thing. Sara even edge them out as she can work on every Electro, which is strong now unlike those four who are a lot more niche.
Sara Electrocrit cant be snapshot'ed and is way to shot to be viable outside Shogun, if the bonus was longer or at least can be snapshot'ed she would have more value
The point still stands. She still gives attack buff which a lot of character scales with so she's more flexible than any of those four niche buffers. C6 makes her a lot more valuable for electro teams, seen videos that that's on par with Fischl but quite hard to get but the video states that all 4 stars are c6. You can't even put those 4 niche buffers outside their team comps unlike Sara's ATTACK BUFF. So stop nitpicking things that don't even matter in what I originally said, things like you need Raiden and Keqing to be hyper invested for it to work and her buff should have been snapshotable cause I can start nitpicking on the downsides of those 4 niche buffers too ☺️
@@toolazytoholdagrudge1148 "She still gives attack buff"
Which Bennett can do and do it much much better. Her ATK buff isn't as much of a redeeming value you think it is. The only time where she slots in is Raiden hypercarry, which actually fit in the niche category.
Raiden is mostly played in Rational or Hyperbloom, where Sara has no place.
At least Gorou can buff Itto and Noelle's DEF, which no one can, yet, and Faruzan can buff two Anemo hypercarries.
@@toolazytoholdagrudge1148 her buff doesn't really justify her usage outside electro. Especially when you need electro battery just to meet her er requirements and her buff that only last for 6secs.
Her niche is just overwhelmed by other characters.
I'd argue its because Electro is oversaturated with supports, and her buffs lasts a mere 6 seconds, only made for Raiden's snappy burst crit, it's been established that electro needs consistency in application, something all her other rivals has but she doesn't (her E is 1 shot and her burst is more of a nuke)
appreciate the confidence and boldness to make this list
Honestly good tier list, the only thing where I would disagree is for Xiao Eula and Wanderer. Yeah you do need a whole team for them and a lot of investment, but isn’t that the case for every good dps you put in tier 1? I mean Hu Tao will love Homa and Zhongli Bennet Yelan and needs xingqiu, same for Childe that needs Kazuha Xiangling and a ton of investment etc etc 🤔 While watching it all I think a tier « god like in a specific situation » would have been nice for examples like Venti or Nilou
Édit : since no one read my 2nd comment. I think they should have another tier because they (Xiao and Wanderer) clearly needs less investment than a yanfei or a razor but are still less good dmg than a hutao or a childe. And yeah Eula is a special case I know
Yeah but childe and hutao with heavy investment also just do way better damage. Even at a lower baseline hutao with just xingqui is pretty good.
@@ZedekiahNS yeah for sure but do they need as much investments as Yanfei or Razor or Noelle for examples ? I have to agree with him that doing an accurate tierlist of genshin chara is a pain
@@ZedekiahNS yeah sure and they r in tier 0 and tier 1 as well, xiao and wanderer deserve tier 2 at least.
The difference is that even with the same amount of investment, the tier 1 dps are, most of the time, just better. But this is just me talking from my own experience, I have Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Childe, Wanderer and Eula, all with the same amount of investment and Hu Tao and Childe just do more damage than the others
While I do think that Xiao should be at least tier 2 and that Wanderer could have a case, Eula should just stay at tier 3, trying to clear abyss with her is just sad
@@marcoscastro3799 well in that case maybe that would be more fair to put them in tier 2. Lower than the big ones but still higher than VERY HIGH investment needs like some 4star dps 🤔
Post Faruzan Xiao is among the best dolphin and under speedrunning teams right now, with times competitive to Hyperbloom and quickbloom on musk reef. You definitely underrated him quite a bit. Alhaitham is the definitive DPS right now and should probably be either at the top of tier 1 or bottom of tier 0
When most claymores are on low tier 3…we need claymore buff
Game8's tier lists are handled in a threefold way. The default list is characters at their minimal optimal constellations, then there are C0 and C6 lists. Pretty useful for figuring how far I have left to go for the four-stars, and what value discrepancies there may be for the five-stars, as I have no limiteds with any constellations.
25:00 Many four stars have a "core" constellation. E.g. bennett c1, xiangling c4, beidou c2. One way of splitting 4 stars without going into individual constellations could just be to split them as "before best const" and "after best const". This way you can be much more clear about how xiangling is quite insufficient before c4 for 9* abyss (my personal bias being ar55 with c1 xiangling T_T)
To compensate for not having infinite number of tiers, you should give value to the order you put characters in every tier. The left one imshiuld be stronger than the right one. This way you can effectively rank every unit.
Just want to add about the same tier but others are more stronger than the other, so you dont need to create a lot of sub tiers. What they do is that they arrange the character from left to right which indicates that the closest one to the left is more effective character than the one in the right.
I've got to say Zhongli in tier 2 is the biggest issue I have with this tier list. Did you not participate in the last Abyss Vars with the vulture, scorpion, and 3 Magu Kenkis? My biggest problem with Zhongli is that there's only one Zhongli because I wanted to use him on both sides.
I cleared that abyss without zhongli with ease.. I didn't even use a healer against the vulture and scorpion lmao and I also cleared the 3 kenkis without a healer and shielder
40K Hp on Zhongli is not good enough for the vultures. The only way I survived with him was dodging the big slam attacks, but that kinda defeats the purpose of a shield? Maybe 50k hp Zhongli would do the trick. Unless you have triple hp + black tassel, I think his shield isn't the indestructible, live forever shield that people say it is. For spiral floor 12 at least. I personally like running fav so I have to build some crit.
You should check out some Thundering Furry runs! I think Razor's potential might surprise you! He can do a loooot more than aggravate
Would love to see your Tier List for every future patch, appreciate the boldness to present yours, especially as a big channel. Good placement rationale, up until now i only trust Game8 followed by Usagi Sensei's list, so yours will be a third one if you make it consistent.
Game8 and usagi is pretty shit though, this one is better than those
everyone says that kaeya is underrated but at the same time everyone talk about him, but lisa is really good, can go with phys dps or in a taser team or as hyperbloom trigger or quicken dps, if you have good er she can even go on mono anemo o geo for def
Electro character that generates no particles, you need an electro battery to battery her only for meh damage, if she still generated on tap e yeah maybe T2 but as she is now she just doesnt work too well
It feels like tier 2 is mainly a sub DPS/support tier - but especially putting yoi and debating putting yanfei in tier 2 I'd put Xiao and Wanderer into tier 2 as well. I know you said it's not linear, but them three being main dps I just can't see them in the same tier as diluc. Yeah, national and freeze outclass them but them being 2 - 3 tiers below those teams is kinda too much, again, especially since you out Yoimiya in tier 2.
Maybe I'm biased cause my Xiao is hyper-invested (for my account standards) but he genuinely is a good character for aoe. Ig he's just way more situational tho, which is quite fair. In Triple kenki or against the two lawachurls in abyss rn though he just absolutely destroys for me.
dude, u r totally right. both xiao and wanderer are much better than any of those in that tier list. also, hu tao, raiden, xangling, etc also require quite a lot of investment so idk why he didn't take that into consideration. the only prob xiao and wandere have is that they don't have a good f2p 4 star weapon available. other than that, while definitely not tier 0 or maybe tier 1 ig, they AT LEAST deserve tier 2. xiao still shines when it comes to aoe and he deserves to be in tier 2 just for that.
@@oogwaythesussyturtle the f2p weapon is an issue with xiao (he has missive windspear now ig) but wanderer has widsith which is on par/better than 5 star weapons so thats not even a problem
Wanderer is crazy underrated.
Man made video while inhaling copium
Holy hell I have never seen a tierlist I agree more with then this one, I make a tierlist myself every 2 patches or so and it looks literally pretty much exactly the same
Afair it was Varka who taught Razor how to fight. Also he brought Rosaria to Mondstadt, accepted Eula as a member of the Knights and Mika is his personal assistant - all of them are connected to physical DMG, so I suspect him to be a powerful physical DPS (probably cryo because there are already good electro supports with great electro application)
Maybe he will make physical dmg great again
*taught, not learned.
I’m surprised Eula is so low and believes both her and Noelle to be a tier higher most cases, it makes me happy Sucrose is finally recognized as top support even if through kazuha fame, I’m personally surprised you are rating Yanfei and Ningguang so low cause they are pretty flexible and i personally used them for archon quests.
It would actually be interesting to see a tier list for characters of a specific element, would be an interesting follow up series well your waiting for other things to make content on
As someone who is a bit protective of my faves, you're definitely the person I trust the most to make a tier list video.
I know you did not just put wanderer xiao and eula on the same tier as sayu
As someone who mained Xiao since release on my main account, and is currently maining Sayu on another... I kinda prefer Sayu. She's a healer with great infusion capabilities, resulting in pretty decent damage. And it's all relatively easy to achieve. Meanwhile, Xiao is good at damage, but he can be pretty frustrating to play at times, especially when his plunge attacks throw lightwr characters out of AOE range
@@fzhs7030 I refuse to accept this eula slander😂
HI Vars, been really enjoying your videos the past few weeks while I play Genshin exploring and learning more about character builds and breaking down their kit / role. I am not here to agree or disagree with your tier list but I like hearing your as objective as possible opinion while stating some facts of why they exist in those tiers. I only started playing Genshin about 3 weeks ago but already AR 45 and hitting a massive DPS wall because I lack team compositions and good main stat artifacts But I'm not going to go past 45 yet until I definitely get more main stat artifacts, and probably pad my roster of characters out more or hyper invest into a team composition if I get the right characters.
With that said Dehya, oh boy, I really liked her design and when I heard that she was going to be a playable character that's when I jumped into Genshin, head first, into a canyon with no sight if there is water below or not. So complete personal bias I would have to say Dehya is special tier for me, the one character design overall that got me to play Genshin. But if I were to objectively put her in a tier, and yes I do have her, I would say she's pretty bad. Especially since I lost her 50/50 and pulled Diluc before getting her so I got acquainted with him for a week, then got Dehya a week later and well. Let me just say Dehya plays differently and playing with her from AR30's to 45 she did not feel as good as Diluc or as powerful, and definitely was not as simple to grasp as Diluc at first but I am getting used to her. I don't regret having her on my roster as she's pretty fun to open world explore in my Dehya, Bennett, Rosaria, Barbara team. I'm nowhere near ready to complete Abyss right now but I look forward to it one day.
Thank you again Vars for the videos you put up they are very well structured and thoughtful and you go beyond explaining very rationally pros and cons and you go out of your way to explain that the points you are making are not to shit on a character but to explain why some characters get 'left behind' because there are newer or just plain better characters.
Cheers! -kit
Im in similar boat, since i first found out how to wish it was latest raiden shogun banner (dont know where to check when it was tho) and only recently hit ar 50, but i still dont have a feeling of having good abyss teams (i cleared up to collei, next up is dreaded 2 team floor)
Was lucky to get diluc on beginner banner few days after i started playing (along with bennet wich i thought was garbage at the time cos he does noodle damage, but funny thing is till this day he is still c0) and he carried my ass so far (only problem being electro that treats you as ping pong ball...)
I dont feel like i have good supports for my on fielders yet and i definitly need to invest alot of time to start building supports i actualy have (like water boy, cook girl, c1 bennet that does not want to drop from cyno banner, diona cos aparently xiao needs shielder and only other options i have is noelle and rock girl, qiqi and barbara cos xiao needs healer and u need option that does not freeze you)
I mean, my main dps are diluc, xiao and kaching, but i am allways lacking something that ties them to coherent team (dont have kazuha or sucrose for grouping, dont have faruzan for xiao, dont have any archon, dont have fishl, yelan (eluded me, got c2 beidou and water boy instead) and so many others)
One team i am exploring is kaching, c1 lisa (could maby be swaped for c2 beidou?), yaoyao and dendro mc
My main team currently is diluc, barbara or qiqi, bennet (tho with c0 mostly for nonfreeze heal) and flex spot that is sayu for overworld or xiao/kaching for instances if diluc dies
Another instance team for electro instances i have been exploring is xiao, barbara, qiqi, diona (had water boy instead diona but for some reason had trouble clearing on time) cos diluc self destructs there and kaching... well
One thing has to be said, my main dps are lvl 80 with lvl 80 weapons and lvl 6 talents (currently building up kaching weapon and talents, i am stoping at lvl 6 cos i dont do weekly bosses and need mats from them) while others are lvl 50 with lvl 1 talents so once i decide on abyss teams it gona be alooooooooot of grind time... (only recently started farming dilucs artifacts when i had day of not being able to farm for kaching)
When i think about having to lvl talents past 6 my soul just cringes (i remember unsuccesfuly doing wolf cos of second phase and barely going trough story nerfed raiden and cryo fire lady after MANY attempts) maby i could do it now that my dps are somewhat build up but need to break that mental wall (even then i would probably spend weeks farming talent instances cos purple drop rate seems to be 0.000000000000000000001%). I still have trouble clearing max lvl instances (instances being talent, weapon, artefact dungeons), cos i lack damage for most of them (i think i barely managed to clear one but dont remember wich)
Fingers crossed i get ayaka, aparently her rerun is comming up in near future? Maby i will finally have reason to try cook lady (atm she does noodle damage, does not provide any reactions for diluc and too low lvl to try national team, also dont know what to bring last slot cos i have no sucrose, fishl or raiden and i remember pairing her with kaya was just disapointing)
@@algum504 We're all climbing the same mountain, just different paths to the peak lol. Keep at it though my best in Abyss is 6-2 and last I tired it was when I was around AR39 or so. So possibly I can clear a bit more but I really do need to get a couple of solid teams as well as artifacts with main stat on them before breaking the AR45 wall.
I think it would be interesting if you put on the Tierlist at which constellation the character is considered to be this tier since I don’t think that Faruzan C0 would be that well ranked without C6.
26:38
She infuses the user with electro. This creates a sort of Niche with Sayu if you pump EM into Sayu, and I think Sunfire
I can't discribe how much I love the fact that Alhaitham is so damn strong. A relevent character to the lore with a super amazing design and a main dps that is close to the tier of the strongests supports and suDPSes.
Way back when his first kit was leaked, I was really excited that people seemed to think he was good. Then the massive nerf happened and I was somewhat disappointed because I really wanted him to be useful since I was going to pull him regardless. Then he came out and was absolutely incredible and I haven’t stopped using him ever since.
@@EnderHeart5911 After the nerf he also got a buff again. Overall a bit worse than the first version of him but in the end the most balanced one.
@@joe_simon Correct, I believe that his second and third mirrors got a buff.
I feel like Sara needs to be in tier 2 like the other situational dmg buffers (gorou, shenhe, yunjin, faruzan and Mika) as it seems weird that you put the rest of them there besides her
Yeah, and sara individual dmg is so high that sometime she kill first before raiden burst
Sara buff is too short, unless you use shogun or abuse snapshot, Sara have very little value
@@robertoalexandermendezmore408 sara's buff is short but she has high uptime on it bc both her burst, e and charged shot can activate it
@@salceds switch on her is a DPS lost, is fine that is short, but Sara buff is way to short
@@robertoalexandermendezmore408 but she Is in a tier 0 team. Raiden hypercarry Is ultra busted, and sarà c6 must be in it
Ive been having a blast with wanderer. hes so good if you have a shielder with you. I'd move him one tier up because he can consistently swirl fischl and xingqiu in my team
what a joke of a tierlist, at times he says "i don't even know what this character does, i've just heard they're bad" he also puts dehya and dori in the same tier as xiao and eula lmao
DMC should atleast be a Tier 1 imo, and Thoma should also be with Kuki since both acts as great damage mitigators/bloom reaction catalysts.
@@teernage6715 Also Thoma relies on his burst while Kuki doesn't. Since you don't have to worry about energy issues, you don't really have to worry about er requirements or missed rotations.
As for Dori I did find a use for her and she does not need much investment at all. Now to explain her use let me point out an aggravate team, Yae Miko, Kazuha, Nahida, Fischl. This is a very meta team and super strong though it is not without its own issues. For one there is no healer and many players like having the comfort of a healer in the team. Two is main issue to deal with, I like to call the Nahida problem. Nahida dendro application soo OP that it keeps wiping off electro from enemies frequently even though we got 2 electro applying their element, just about every time her elemental skill hits. Sure swapping Fischl out for Dori is going to be lower damage but Dori has a unique interaction with this team that other electro healers don't have. When her burst is active it puts a beam to the active character and heals them but at the same time applies electro aura to them too. If there is no electro on enemy Kazuha can still swirl the electro on him from Dori so he can very reliably get his electro swirl.
In a nut shell Dori adds comfort of heals and ease of use to a Nahida aggravate team that uses Kazuha. IMO this makes Dori very situational as this is one use she shines on but that is the only use I can see. Niche but low investment.
please no, kazuha can swirl electro in that team, u just gotta do rotation right, yae E>E>E> kazuha E>Q> nahida E> fischl E> yae Q>E>E>E and on field yae, and repeat, also kuki is much better than dori, just use kuki if u need defensive option lmao
Solid list. I understand where you put the characters. Nice video. Keep it up. 😁
I think I can agree with most placements here… there’s a few characters I personally would’ve put higher, especially Xiao (and with him probably wanderer too) I feel like they and Cyno and Itto definitely belong in the same tier. Especially the 3 burst reliant ones. I feel like a tier between 2-3 would fit a few characters from both groups better, namely the hypercarries, Eula and element specific supports, but other than that, I agree with most things.
Seeing Qiqi in the lowest tier hurts, but that’s kinda inevitable… been enjoying using her as clam support! (Gotta put that c5 to use right?)
He did it
The madman really did it
Great list! I am a wanderer main so would have liked to see him in tier 2 but he does take boatloads of investment. Another amazing video!
Wtf man. He takes investments? Seriously? Just give 1800atk, widsith and 200cdmg. And run whether national team or even c0 faruzan with 280 er is enough.
You know there's literally Hutao, itto and cyno ? They take investments with literally 5 stars in their teams with a lot of stats.
@@Mx-67 I have his weapon r1, wanderer c2, faruzan c6, 75/150 ratio and he does pretty well! Still working on leveling up his talents since Im a new player I havent unlocked the scara boss yet so they are stuck at level 6
@@Mx-67 also I have a hu tao built with staff of homa and her at c1. I use xingqiu, sucrose, and c4 tankfei. Id say she takes less investment than my wanderer
@@maplestory403 my c0 Wanderer uses R2 widsith and has 1700atk with 65/200 crit and lvl 8 talents. He does way better than my c0 Hutao with dragon bane at 65/160, 30k hp, 300 em and 1400 atklvl (6 Talents). I think hutao takes alot of investment. I know there's difference in takents, but still we're putting Atk, hp, crit, em, for hutao. While Wanderer only takes atk and crit. Don't you think it's low investment?
I agree no main dps should be in tier 0 there replaceable
also I personally like to put the specific element buffers in a tier of there own(sara . Goro . Shenhe ....)
Something I haven't seen in a long time is that I would like you to do a full genshin impact tier list, but just for 5 star weapons (or just banner weapons), it would be super helpful to people who are worried about if a banner is worth it for weapon banner
Honestly I think Lisa should be one tier higher. She's improved a lot more with Dendro reaction and does some really nice damage.
she's better than Kaeya fr fr
@@josef-1209 Without a doubt and looks better
I'd say this tier list is pretty good.
I like how you put Venti in tier 2 because he is situational, but Nilou almost ended up in tier 0 for the same reason 😂. Still a good video to watch, especially for new players that are trying to find what the should focus on.
Well tbf nilou isn't situational, I think you are confusing that with niche.
Well, nilou is great in aoe. While venti is good in aoe that also has groupable enemies that are also far away from each other. So he is definitely more situational.
@@q_key466 that doesn't really make sense
It's because Nilou Bloom is stupid strong lol. Works against all types of content, and shreds literally everything. It's nuts. Venti falls off against certain types of content, but Nilou teams will work on literally everything.
@TheBlackSpaceDandy it makes perfect sense, if venti can't group enemies he doesn't really offer that much.
Nilou is great in aoe and can do well in St (as it's constantly been proven in these past abyss). The only place she can't be used is against dendro immune enemies
Unlike venti, where sure you can use him where enemies can't be group, he doesn't really offer anything
Surprised to see that almost every character in this tier, i agree with your analysis and placement
just to note and confirm that tier 3 characters aren't as bad as it might seem from the name, my noelle team performs admirably well on spiral abyss (noelle c6, albedo [soon to be replaced by yun jin], ningguang c2, gorou c1) and it still manages to clear out 12th floor's each stage in reasonable time (that is, mostly below 90s, but when it takes more, the second half is always easier)
you really can get a lot of job done with most of this game's characters
Should you not replace ninguang with yunjin instead?
@@degurechaff6617 the issue is, while my noelle has around 200cv and 2200 def, she lacks ER, so ningguang has to stay. the 12% geo dmg bonus is neglible, doesn't differ much (about 2-3k dmg bonus on crits), so i get why did you think about it this way
weapons they run are: noelle has redhorn, albedo cinnabar (the event weapon that fits him best), ningguag favonious codex and gorou has favonious warbow, so you can somewhat see how did i approach the problem: i sacrificed personal damage of supports to generate energy for the hypercarry, as the damage of supports would be close to none regardless
@@engkropix0558 Albedo is also a good battery plus on a mono geo team Albedo can hit upwards of 40k (35k without C6 gorou) per tick making him a very good sub dps in mono geo teams.
@@degurechaff6617 about him being a good battery, that was my initial thought when i pulled for him, shich sadly ended up being not true. he has a slight chance to generate 1 particle that regenerates just a little bit of energy, in which way he gets simply outclassed even by c0 geo traveller and that is something i tested.
about his damage potential, his burst scales with ATK, while his skill scales off DEF, meaning i have to pick one, so i naturally have chosen DEF. he's scoring those 25k crits, with around 18k dmg on average, and that is where i've done actual calculations on a 3k def yun jin example (specifically, how much damage would she add without critting it and the 12% attack sperd contribution) and it ended up she'll give noelle more damage than albedo deals, leading to an overall higher damage. also 3k DEF is easily achievable, given she'll take albedo's artifacts and he has wll over 2.9k without gorou's buffs
@@engkropix0558 I talking about replacing ninguang. Have you compared the dps difference between albedo and ninguang. Also in mono geo Albedo is not supposed to use his burst. I rather try to build more ER on Noelle and have a strong subdps then use a character solely for battering.
My albedo does 20k+ without gorou and a 2 pc husk set. He would be better with 4pc husk but that domain is so bad for farming.
man seeing wanderer in tier 3 hurt, but I can't deny he does take alot of investment and has little f2p options for weapons unfortunately
I think it would have helped if you roughly ranked characters in their tier, for example putting the better ones toward the left and the worst ones toward the right, might help with the trickier characters who felt like they could be between two.
The nuanced reference at 8:16 to the beloved and acclaimed masterpiece in all of gaming, The Legend of Zelda: Link: The Faces of Evil, truly marks when this became a 10/10 tier list.
As a scara main im sort of dissapointed, but i also get where youre coming from. Id still say that the overworld perks shouldve been considered. Also a big thing that puts scara over xiao for me is that the latter is heavily burst dependent . Which can lead to energy problems if not handled correctly, which also limits the teams a character can be used even further. And again, having to use my burst just to kill a hillicurl camp and then having to battery it up is not that great in my opinion. I feel like scara also has more teamcomp flexibility ingeneral. The range also helps alot with bosses like the wolflord or the thunder manifestation( he also doesnt knock enemies away). On the other side xiao probably has other things over scara ( i dont have him so sorry if this just sounds like xiao slander i just dont have experience with him.) Saying the two are the same is like saying yoimiya and hu tao are the same in my opinion. But hey its your opinion and i totally respect that, just wanted to put this out there.
Wanderer is above Xiao as long as you have C2+ Faruzan, since plunge attacks are too slow to keep up with Wanderer's machine gun attacks, the extra time from C2 Faruzan _slightly_ inches Wanderer ahead. Xiao mains have just been super vocal since they can't accept another Anemo DPS can do similar/more damage (without needing to burst or care about ER too)...
If you're like me and have C2 Wanderer, it's not even close, the 2x damage burst is phenomenal, Xiao simply can't compete with that extra instant ~400k damage. I still want Xiao though, he is precious.
If both are at full power (c6 and signature weapon + article set) I'm pretty sure wanderer takes the cake. Xiao is better against multiple enemies tho but he limits himself with his plunges pushing enemies away (c6 faruzan fixes this). Xiao cant take advantage of his c6 with only one enemy so he loses. ALso wanderer hits so fast its ridiculous
@@fzhs7030 You're high. Stop the copium.
"C2 Faruzan is what Xiao needs" what are you even talking about? I said that if they both are C0 with C2+ Faruzan, then Wanderer has higher damage output... by a minuscule amount (literally about 2000 damage or something), then at C6 Faruzan, the difference is a bit bigger too.
"Rely on a shielder than Xiao" he is literally a ranged DPS, stop trolling.
"suffer from energy problems a lot more than Xiao" are you on drugs? Faruzan gets orbs from skill + Fav Bow & Wanderer, Bennett gets his burst easily anyway, Xingqiu just double skills with Sac sword, Yelan can use Fav Bow or double skill with Sac bow, Diona doesn't need her burst + Sac bow, Zhongli doesn't need to burst + Fav lance, Thoma can run Fav Lance... I can keep going.
They're almost identical in damage, which is likely intentional, Mihoyo aren't stupid. Not to mention most comparison videos currently on CZcams have Wanderer with faster times than Xiao.
Also, C2 Wanderer obliterates C0 Xiao, easily.
@@fzhs7030 I'm not talking to someone who has likely based their opinion on Excel sheets with numbers that don't account for all variables.
You're the one who's spreading misinformation, all I've said is they're basically equal twice now... which they are.
Yes, it was literally 2000 damage, like I said, an insignificant amount.
Type in "Xiao vs Wanderer" on CZcamsand you'll see that they're basically equal, with Wanderer winning most of the time too. Actual gameplay beats any of these "sheets".
@@fzhs7030 No. c0 vs c0 I might put the edge on Xiao but C2 vs C2 then Wanderer is far ahead. That burst is absolutely broken. Being able to do half a million damage with his burst puts it on the same tier as Hypercarry c2 Raiden or c2 Ayaka.
I like ur content but it is kinda weird that you make a tierlist about genshin chars and then forget what some do
why did you gag him a little
1:10 i think when people say that they mean individual characters not whole teams like amber can be used with hu tao with a vv user, instructor and elegy. kaeya can be used in reverse melt, lisa and traveller in hyperbloom.
Great video! I actually made my own tier list alongside you to see how they compare, and I was surprised by how much we agreed. That said, here are all my disagreements and my reasonings for them haha:
*Qiqi (T4 -> T3):* Qiqi offers basically nothing in terms of helping your team's damage, but she offers so much healing that she can make runs a lot more comfy. This already puts her above Amber, Xinyan and Aloy IMO.
*Barbara (T3 -> T2):* Hydro application is just so strong, and the role compression of hydro application plus healing makes her a pretty solid unit. On top of that, she is incredibly strong on Nilou teams.
*Lisa (T3 -> T2):* While there are plenty of other electro options, their existence doesn’t make Lisa any less powerful. She’s a very strong aggravate DPS that can work both on-field (typically driving Fischl) and off-field, and has a 15% def shred with her A4 passive so she’s buffing the rest of the team’s damage on top of her own stellar personal damage.
*Razor (T3 -> T2):* The Thundering Furry comp (full EM Razor, C6 Bennett, a hydro applicator and a dendro applicator) is actually really strong. The only problem is that it requires C6’ing Bennett, which many people (myself included) are unwilling to do.
*Xiao and Wanderer (T3 -> T2):* These 2 are both so powerful with C6 Faruzan. That can be a lot of investment, sure, but they’re so much more powerful than the other T3 characters are with similar levels of investment.
*Thoma (T3 -> T2):* Best burgeon trigger in the game. Burgeon isn’t the strongest reaction by any means, but it can be a nice addition to various team comps and has a high damage floor since it’s a transformative reaction.
*Venti (T2 -> T1):* While he’s situational, in the right situations he’s the best character in the game by far. I get that he fits the description of T2 better but I’d place his overall power level more in-line with the T1 characters (though it’s hard to assess since in practice he’s basically either T0 or T3 with no in between lol)
*Zhongli (T2 -> T0):* This is my biggest disagreement. He makes you pretty much invincible while also offering a universal 20% res shred, Tenacity support (or Petra if you prefer that), the ability to not have to interrupt your attack strings by dodging, immunity to interruption, and the ability to spend all of your stamina on charged attacks. As such, he not only puts the game on easy mode, but he can increase your damage significantly in ways that can’t fully be accounted for by a spreadsheet (hence why he’s very underrated among theorycrafters). And, sure, the better you are at the game, the less valuable he becomes, but if someone bad at the game can still clear with relative ease thanks to Zhongli, I think that suggests that he’s busted af.
*Yun Jin (T2 -> T3):* In the current state of the game, Yun Jin is viable with 3 characters: Yoimiya, Ayato and Noelle. Noelle is herself a T3 character, so being a strong Noelle support doesn’t really justify her being higher than T3. Ayato as a hypercarry isn’t really that great - he’s fine, but there are certainly better options, both for other hypercarries and other ways to play Ayato, and even then someone like Candace or Xingqiu is a better choice than Yun Jin here as her energy issues make it awkward to play her without a second geo character. As for Yoimiya, she’s really good with her, but so is Bennett, and Bennett is much, much cheaper to build. So overall, Yun Jin is, outside of Noelle comps, an expensive sidegrade. Edit: Forgot about Wanderer. What I said about Yoimiya applies to him as well. I don't think this changes her overall rating but I do think she's one of the best characters in T3 at least.
There’s also Mika who I think is T3 but I won’t talk too much about him since he isn’t out yet.
I think this very accurate, I’d only move Wanderer, Xiao and Layla up a tier.
I saw Layla is better than diona, her shield is stronger, she has better application and she can proc TOTM which I find to slightly better than noblesse. But diona does have her em boost and healing so there’s that.
Xiao and Wanderer are basically the same, they can actually both be functional drivers (if you want a more dmg route as apposed to sucrose).
The EM boost usually never matters in teams where you'd want Diona, I completely think Layla is just better as a defensive option. Her only problem is her ER issues if the shield breaks, because she only generates particles if her shield stays up
You can tank like 2 hits from a boss even if she's built DPS, but then you have to play like you don't have a shield to get the same energy as you'd get from diona
Even then though in freeze, why are you playing freeze against a boss and against normal enemies you'll probably only take a few hits in an entire fight
But yeah, imo Layla better support than Diona and actually gives damage too
Layla kinda slept on 😉
Edit: oh whoops ranted also agree with Wanderer and Xiao, they are both probably better than Itto (same general tier tho) just because they are anemo and are a lot more versatile yet still solid enough
Event though Itto does better in his niche, he can only be played in geo comps
@@pynconegaming The issue is that Diona still does her job even if the shield breaks. Whereas Layla stops functioning if the shield breaks.
Since the whole point of running the defensive unit is that you have skill issues to begin with, I feel like playing the unit where the bad outcome is a constant threat is not great.
Use case seems extremely narrow, enough skill issue to not be able to run Rosaria, but not enough skill issue to need Diona. Only just right, like three bears porridge.
Itto is C tier, he has even worse problems than Eula only with more locked in team slots. He also requires more investment as you need a very specific 4 star for him. If you were unfortunate like me and pulled Itto but the RNG didnt bless you with Gorou, then he basically is totally useless as he just simply doesnt do enough damage. Both Itto and Eula have been left behind by the meta either way.
I mean, Hu Tao's married to Xingqiu so what makes him any different.
@@salceds Hu Tao actually has alternatives and Xingqiu is more accessible and universal. It is quite possible to add cryo characters to Hu Tao teams for example. Hu Tao teams are just a lot more flexible in compositions.
I may be personally biased but wanderer is the reason I ever 36 starred the abyss. My hu tao and ayaka with similar investment only ever got me as high as 35. I would put him in effective especially since he can be in so many types of team; taser, hyperbloom, freeze, mono teams, hypercarry, etc
Overall I think this is a pretty well thought out tier list and I'm quite impressed. Here is a clarification I wanted if you care to answer of course, I was trying to wrap my head around the idea that main dps characters not being in the tier 0 spot. To me the argument that main dps take up too much on field time to be consider tier 0 shouldn't be a dominating factor. If I'm not mistaken many of the tier 0 characters force the main dps in tier 1 to be on field for so long because they are the ones who can best utilize their skills. I'm aware you state the characters placements are uniform so one can easily argue any of the tier 1 to move to tier 0, for example Alhaitham simply because well dendro lol or Nilou as you stated because her main comp is a tier 0 (I don't have Nilou so I can't really speak much on this). A Cryo dps like Ayaka or Ganyu going in tier 1 I can see because of freeze falling off recently due to some enemies not being able to be frozen.
I also wanted to know why a niche support like Sara was placed in Tier 3 while others were placed in Tier 2 but I feel I came to a conclusion. In comparison to the others in tier 2, it takes Sara c6 to be orientated a electro specific buffer while the others can already do such things at c0. Gorou buffs geo dmg/def at c0, Shenhe cryo shred/buff at c0, Yun Jin NA buff at c0 and Faruzan Anemo shred/buff at c0 as well. I would say Sara's overall attack buff should grant her leeway but perhaps that's too situational?
I love how everything from the music to your tone of voice is encouraging a calm collected environment considering the topic
My main critique is that Kuki, to me, is on the same tier as XQ, Xiangling, and the others. Pretty much constant uptime on an off-field elemental skill that moves with you, requiring almost no investment to become viable.
Dori, on the other hand, pretty much is a tier 4.
I'd disagree with that because she does get outclassed by Raiden in the hyperbloom department, and her unique traits aren't exactly that desirable (her healing is very bad and she isn't really needed due to Xingqiu just being very good defensively). She doesn't have a use case outside of hyperbloom
@@leojustice3367 My Kuki is my best healer, and she's built with pretty much just elemental mastery and barely any focus on healing. Anyway, Kuki can absolutely be better than Raiden because when she's on your team, you don't need a specific slot for healing. She also works REALLY well with Alhaitham on his quicken teams, to the point that you can cast her E during his burst duration for maximum uptime.
@@leojustice3367the advantage of Kuki in hyperbloom is that she takes two slots at once: a trigger and a healer, while raiden is more suitable for tighnari aggravate in case of dendro comps
Kuki's role as a healer isn't that valuable when Xingqiu alone reduces the damage you take by half and heals you too.
While yes, when you're not using Xingqiu she's a lot more valuable, the case is really only with Ayato since your options are either Kokomi (a healer) or Childe (who doesn't synergize that much). So it's not nearly as valuable or universal as you make it seem
Additionally, in aggravate, she's kind of not that great. Her skill is awful for aggravate, but her burst is good. It's kind of a 50/50.
I'm saying Kuki isn't close to being tier 0 material, especially considering Kokomi is in tier 1 and I'd put Kuki and Kokomi in the same overall power level.
@@RekaCathkuki cannot be better than raiden even with her healing because raiden procs the seeds faster doesn’t have issues with proccing too many at the same time bigger aoe farther aoe regens more particles and buffs your damage.
I kinda wish they would go back and do something about the mechanics they laid out before, like for example on Amber. I think she's the only character in the game that have a headshot buff passive.
I feel like apart from element mismatching depending on the comp youre going for, sara has the exact same buff capability for any element as benny, its a way smaller atk bonus and it only lasts 7 seconds, but it works as well with snapshotters as they would with benny.
She is not a healer however.
While shes definitely not a 0, she seems like she has more comps, where you could use her as a worse bennet, than what tier 3 lets on.
Maybe ...
Overall not a bad list, there are 2 things specificly though where the ranking just doesn't feel consistent.
First, Xiao and Wanderer should be know the same tier as Itto. If the argument for the anemo dpses is that they need a lot of investment, Itto basicly is only usable in a single team and requires not only heavy investment himself but also specific teammates.
Damagewise he's pretty close to them too.
The second is Zhonglis placement. Yes he doesn't add the most personal damage but he sinplyfies the game to a point where he should at least be in the same tier as Kokomi and Yaoyao who only add to dps by having the right element for dps increasing reactions where as Zhongli shreds 30% res to basicly everything with 100% uptime and saves time from dodging you'd stillneed with the other 2.
itto literally dunks on wanderer and xiao when they lack c6 faruzan. that is a fact. and most players do not have c6 faruzan. itto can outdamage them with c0 gorou at best lmao. and mind you xiao has like one good team that’s on par with itto’s so y’all can fuck right off with rhe “itto has one team” argument
@@heavenschickxx6376lol look at speedrunning itto is nowhere near, wheres your noodle armed dumbass now?
This is overall a great tier list that seems pretty subjective but I have only a few gripes with it. I feel Razor Sayu and Yanfei could all be at least one tier above with razor possible going two up. For razor I think this because of his Thundering Furry team which is surprisingly viable and anctully good damage that requires minimal investment to go good with bennet not needing anything besides the craftable wepon sapwood and to be leveled and Razor himself only needing EM and ER or an ER weapon, both other characters of XQ and Nahida do want investment but the core works with only ER recs being met. For Yanfei she is not just a main dps as she can be played in a tankfei role where she is pretty decent for those VV hutao that want some survivability. And Sayu for a similar reason as Razor as she just requires EM and maybe some ER because her double anemo quicken teams are really good and require almost no investing besides EM and ER on most characters; her salad teams are also good at times as well. So most of my reasons are that these units could preform as well as the units above their tiers and don’t require heavy investment which the description of the tier suggested.
Also if you wanted to have some more nitpicks/balancing then you could bring Mika, Faruzan and Itto (Gorou too by proxy) as I feel Xiao Eula and Itto should be the pyramid of mid in the genshin meta and are typically grouped together in a tier list/strength ranking. And I feel their supports shouldn’t be any higher than their damage dealers as they are niche and tied to those characters. (Faruzan could stay because she has two units she buffs with the Wanderer and Xiao but they are both in the same tier soo it’s and edge case.
Razor RGB goes brrrr.....
I agree that team is good, but if there is only one team comp in which Razor is good, I don't think it is worth moving him up a tier over that; not to mention that running thundering razor is basically taking 3 of the best supports in the game from your other abyss half just to make him work.
@@BoricosaNahida is pretty replaceable in this team, she is much better quality of life/less circle impact but it isn’t a crazy damage decrease with out her and you could still make Qucken, Quick bloom,hyper bloom, bloom, taser, soup*, salad, and freeze teams so there is some restrictions especially if you didn’t have too many units but it’s not too difficult to draft a good team for the others side.
Just wanted to say that I like your, i presume, non scripted format. I enjoy the polished videos but this one is nice
major props for trying to make a tier list for this game, as you said it's so hard bc of how situational their strength can be, its so debatable. it would be easier to do a tier list based off of a character's flexibility
Dori same tier as xiao and eula is crazy.
I thought Layla was easy to build since she only wanted triple HP? I wonder why she's next to Dori
The placement aside from tier is just the order the character came out in. It’s not ranked or anything.
She's good but diona still exists and she provides more utility
the thing is Layla currently is useful for Hyper DPS that needs shield or doesnt have zhongli, if you are using Wanderer Layla is the best shielder for you and thats it
thats the only useful layla have in the meta shielding wanderer or any other anemo dps
@@Chopsparillo No I mean, the same tier as Dori jdsadjhad
I feel like childe could be a little higher on the list, sure im biased but mr. 0 icd is so broken and with new electrocharge buffs coming out for fontaine update, he already has a place in fisch beidou taser. He works well with freeze teams with rosaria, kaeya or you pick of choice, and can serve as support if you want to c4 him. Works really well at c0 aswell. Also riptide is eye candy. The only problem is managing his cooldown, which isnt a problem once you get a feel for rotations.
@@fzhs7030 you right.
Fair but not because of the reasons you stated. I think he is a high value pull because he makes a really broken and versatile team. But at the end of the day he is an on fielder who will be less versatile than off field supports so T1 is fine.
The physical damage slander is hurting my soul
I will forever hold the wallop element close to my heart
Can’t wait for my daily dose of my main slandered (Eula)
I'm tired of that. When did hoyo buff physical at all? And geo with that.
@@TheEulaFan Geo is pretty good tbh, doesn't need a buff imo. Maybe more characters yes though
@@nathanbegel4505 Oh, right. We didn't had new geo after Itto. Thanks for reminding me that.
@@nathanbegel4505 a whole ass element requiring a specific comp to work is bad
@@nathanbegel4505 tell me if you ever use any other geo characters except zhongli in any other other team comp?
as a Eula main i have never been so offended my something i agree with. hoyo please bring back physical meta
As an idea, I would be curious if it'd be worth making a video objectively ranking characters based on how worth it they are to level 90 - assuming the user uses the character being ranked. So people like Venti/Koko/Nilou/Nahida would be high ranked on the "worth to 90", but people like Fischl or Ganyu where it's less important. I don't think there's an excellent source on the subject, so making one would be great :D
Interesting tierlist with the description being more useful than just power level of dmg, I find weird that Faruzan was higher than his anemo dps but the tier description makes it confuse xD because she really is good and situational but I think the tier below of high investment suits her better because she needs C6 or 300% er xD so idk if that counts as higher investment xD
Really odd you put Xiao/Wanderer in tier 3 when you have Faruzan in tier 2. While Itto is in tier 2 with Gorou. Imo and I'm confident many would agree, Xiao/Wanderer should be in the same tier as Itto and maybe a bit higher than him even.
i think this could be better and u care to much of what will other people say to judge you (understandable) .
In the end its ur opinion, be free while taking your friend advice into consideration.
BUT before you make the tier list , from the beginning you could make more rules like the character constellations, F2P/Whale situation etc. it will make you easier to decided the tier.
you could order the character horizontally too if u want more detailed in ur opinion
but overall i would agree on you tier list too except for dori she should've been in tier 4 and thoma make burgeon viable so maybe could pass tier 2
I like dehya a lot.. she really helps around my ganyu hit and run team..
I was gonna place a shielder on my ganyu team but dehya was a fine addition it won't make me complacent and reliant on the shield.. even though my ganyu rarely takes heavy hits. And when she does atleast her poise and damage received are reduced
It sucks that dehya has so many issues.
Mine is on glad set with atk sands&goblet with 140er(enough for my rotation) 40cr 200 cd.