@@bingolos9063 Like OP said, if you're confronting a soldier with a gun and you have only your bare hands you might as well run away and take cover and/or grab an actual weapon (which is actually how the AI often behaves in all three games), so the AI here is "smart" enough not to foolishly do that. Of course, realistically, if this had taken place at night or a dark place or an area with a lot of concealment, and one had the opportunity disarm/kill the enemy soldier from stealthily from behind, they could try it. I mean MOW's and CTA/GOH's AI can be notoriously dumb and braindead unless you did some prescripting. Its one of the franchises' weak points. (here's me dreaming we get vastly improved combat AI in the next successor for GOH or MOW II)
MoW AS2 "melee from behind" = "NOPE!!!!" It looks like MoW2 has good infantry AI, but stalls out on armor targets. Overall, I think the AI might be a big plus for MoW2 long term. All three of the games seems to have issues with AI though.
I believe that the IDEAL of the "MoW / GoH" genre lacks the "independence" and "softness" of artificial intelligence - something we have, for example, in the Combat Mission series as TacAI AI - needs: 1. be less 0-1, add intermediate states to many functions and increase the times between them 2. the need to reduce its reaction time to situations, increase the time of identifying goals (this reaction time should depend on the individual's experience). 3. units should be more independent, especially if MICRO in this game is very nice, in the case of MACRO, this game is not suitable for managing larger numbers of units, the command output is too "precise" so it would be necessary to add... 3a issuing area and global orders. 4 Adding AI softening systems: 4a add morale and fire suppression system 4b blind the AI by making them unable to see through bushes as well, and increase the time until they identify or lock on to the target 5 finally blocking the infantry teams so that the team is not separated by 300 m on the map. Add additional buttons on the GUI for forming or splitting a team, rather than simply clicking on units. 5a make the team function as a new AI that tries to function better together, stay close and cooperate. Add benefits for teams in the form of accelerated identification, frog movement mode, ammunition sharing, higher morale and a medic that automatically heals soldiers from the back
CoH 1 had something called squad AI, it was the only game in the series where you could give a squad an attack move and they would seek cover on their own without babysitting.
The first time i have seen someone actually mention the CM games. Both my dad and I play both game series and we have had this discussion on MoW style games with a CM-esque tacAI. Great take!
@@thephlyingphish5104 oh, I agree! I think that a game combining mechanics, AI, pace and scale from CM and sfx, vfx, visuals, small details and physics from MoW/GoH - it was a perfect combination and complemented each other's advantages. Although there is already a CM with better graphics, such as Graviteam Tactics: Mius-Front, but there again the huge disadvantage is the completely unergonomic interface and the complex mechanics presented in such an unfriendly formula
@@krzysztofgradowski3519 Also- graviteam lacks MP and the finer, slower paced combat of CM imo. CM also has a more pick up and play aspect with single battles and campaings instead of large campaigns like graviteam
I just want to mention something. The behavior of the AI varies depending on the settings you give it. For example try making advance_ratio 0 and retreating ratio 100. That way the soldier will never run away in front of any number of enemies (or the tank in this test).
@@FrederikoCMR HMG has shorter but more wide view. Keep in mind the view is very limited for the sake of multiplayer balance and it doesn't exactly reveal units the same way as different units get revealed easier or harder, for example small camouflaged AT gun is hidden unless you get close to it.
Hi I have a few questions and I hope you can help me. I've watched almost all of your guides, but I think I missed some of them. And please, could you record a guide on how to: 1. Place flags on the map (these are the ones that soldiers capture later in the mission) 2. How to make the boat stop after discharging the soldiers (e.g. on the Omaha map). disappeared so that there would not be too many of them on the beach. That's it, I hope you can help me
i thought it was a feature, i sometimes play battalions as tank division and since you focus on tanks and less inf i figured it's on purpose since you gonna control mostly 1-2 tanks of higher caliber, so u gotta give em orders to shoot at targets since they don't' seem to automatically snipe any showing tank, since you can shoot stuff across the map, i can see why the tanks wouldn't do that without you ordering the moment a target shows up, especially from across the map.
I don't know about MoW2, but having played MoWAS and GoH, I can say that the AI of player units is a lot better in Mowas2. In GoH they require a ton of babysitting. To make things worse GoH graphics are such that you have very poor visibility and overview. It feels like trying to find ants and micro them. I only played ostfront I can't speak for Liberation.
I have only found the need to babysit units in call to arms, as in units will refuse to fire a single bullet unless specificly told to. GoH seemed to iron that problem out despite being a extension of CTA.
When I was relatively new to GoH when I first encountered an AT grenade I thought Hans ran up to my tank and straight up punched it and knocked out my vehicle Turns out he did, he just had an AT grenade in his hand Why do GoH soldiers do this
Ye mowas2 ai is good but not hole squad of anti tank soldiers can't take out a light tank without you controlling it. Even mods can't make ai smarter. But for that time it was good
Kindergarten, 1st grade and 2nd grade funny thought i think many players do this daily just dont put it together definitely not with your style and production skills or imagination
with thousands of hours in assault squad 2 and gates of hell (we dont talk about men of war 2 lmao) I can very confidently say the ai in assault squad 2 is miles ahead of gates of hell and it’s mostly why I still play as2 more tbh
How sad. The first two games seem to show you have to micro every unit. MoW2 does a better job but still totally glitched in a couple of these examples. WTF?!?! How can you even call this AI in most of these examples?
Dude this does not realy count. In Gates of Hell Elite Infantry will perform way better, way more intelligent in free roam mode than ordinary Infantry. Example, ordinary Infantry has a lower percentage to use grenades on their own. Special forces do this immediately. Same at MoW AS2.
not rly, it's due to that heavy tank being so close to these med tanks, they take quite some shits at distance and if it's not a big difference in rank.
MOWAS2's ai looks to be the most realistic. Don't take any risks with your life and run away from the danger!
Realisitc in what sense ? both games still have problems with the AI
What? AS 2 has the most braindead AI in the series and the way units bundle up is awful.
@@bingolos9063 Self-preservation is realistic.
@@portman8909 It was a joke.
@@bingolos9063 Like OP said, if you're confronting a soldier with a gun and you have only your bare hands you might as well run away and take cover and/or grab an actual weapon (which is actually how the AI often behaves in all three games), so the AI here is "smart" enough not to foolishly do that. Of course, realistically, if this had taken place at night or a dark place or an area with a lot of concealment, and one had the opportunity disarm/kill the enemy soldier from stealthily from behind, they could try it.
I mean MOW's and CTA/GOH's AI can be notoriously dumb and braindead unless you did some prescripting. Its one of the franchises' weak points. (here's me dreaming we get vastly improved combat AI in the next successor for GOH or MOW II)
MoW AS2 "melee from behind" = "NOPE!!!!" It looks like MoW2 has good infantry AI, but stalls out on armor targets. Overall, I think the AI might be a big plus for MoW2 long term. All three of the games seems to have issues with AI though.
Mostly they want find a weapons before they actually engaging at them though. That's how Men of War AI work.
Judging by this video, the AI here is more Artificial and less Intelligent.
This AI based comments are 🫨
@@SturmFuhrerPK are you the ai?
I believe that the IDEAL of the "MoW / GoH" genre lacks the "independence" and "softness" of artificial intelligence - something we have, for example, in the Combat Mission series as TacAI
AI - needs:
1. be less 0-1, add intermediate states to many functions and increase the times between them
2. the need to reduce its reaction time to situations, increase the time of identifying goals (this reaction time should depend on the individual's experience).
3. units should be more independent, especially if MICRO in this game is very nice, in the case of MACRO, this game is not suitable for managing larger numbers of units, the command output is too "precise" so it would be necessary to add...
3a issuing area and global orders.
4 Adding AI softening systems:
4a add morale and fire suppression system
4b blind the AI by making them unable to see through bushes as well, and increase the time until they identify or lock on to the target
5 finally blocking the infantry teams so that the team is not separated by 300 m on the map. Add additional buttons on the GUI for forming or splitting a team, rather than simply clicking on units.
5a make the team function as a new AI that tries to function better together, stay close and cooperate. Add benefits for teams in the form of accelerated identification, frog movement mode, ammunition sharing, higher morale and a medic that automatically heals soldiers from the back
CoH 1 had something called squad AI, it was the only game in the series where you could give a squad an attack move and they would seek cover on their own without babysitting.
The first time i have seen someone actually mention the CM games. Both my dad and I play both game series and we have had this discussion on MoW style games with a CM-esque tacAI. Great take!
@@thephlyingphish5104 oh, I agree! I think that a game combining mechanics, AI, pace and scale from CM and sfx, vfx, visuals, small details and physics from MoW/GoH - it was a perfect combination and complemented each other's advantages.
Although there is already a CM with better graphics, such as Graviteam Tactics: Mius-Front, but there again the huge disadvantage is the completely unergonomic interface and the complex mechanics presented in such an unfriendly formula
@@krzysztofgradowski3519 Also- graviteam lacks MP and the finer, slower paced combat of CM imo. CM also has a more pick up and play aspect with single battles and campaings instead of large campaigns like graviteam
I just want to mention something. The behavior of the AI varies depending on the settings you give it. For example try making advance_ratio 0 and retreating ratio 100. That way the soldier will never run away in front of any number of enemies (or the tank in this test).
MOW2 tank destroys 1 vehicle and then the AI breaks LOL
Fov effect
@@SturmFuhrerPK But there's a gunner on top (?)
@@FrederikoCMR HMG has shorter but more wide view. Keep in mind the view is very limited for the sake of multiplayer balance and it doesn't exactly reveal units the same way as different units get revealed easier or harder, for example small camouflaged AT gun is hidden unless you get close to it.
I think the AI was stunned they one shot that tank, like "Dude you saw that?"
@@SturmFuhrerPK theres a top gunner... and the tanks are not far away at all lol
ingame Ai behavior is different. this test means nothing.
Gates of hell is the best
So the Germans in Men O' War AS 2 sees tank what is it ment to do disable the vehicle.
What he does: He advences in the other direction....Bravo.
Must had been Frenchmen SS from Charlemagne
The fking running away is great
Thank you for providing this service!
does anyone have a problem with third person camera of infantry in MOW2? Like wtf it seems completely f***ed up. in GOH it was always great
You must have had great laugh with this i sure did.
Hi
I have a few questions and I hope you can help me. I've watched almost all of your guides, but I think I missed some of them. And please, could you record a guide on how to:
1. Place flags on the map (these are the ones that soldiers capture later in the mission)
2. How to make the boat stop after discharging the soldiers (e.g. on the Omaha map). disappeared so that there would not be too many of them on the beach.
That's it, I hope you can help me
Love to see the grenade bundle blow a T34 top off lmao
MOW2 showed some big improvements except for the melee and armor. I'm guessing the failure to fire on more than 1 tank has to be a bug.
One bug of many.
@ElliottSmith75 I haven't seen a bug yet
@@Daniel-ri5jj theres so many...
i thought it was a feature, i sometimes play battalions as tank division and since you focus on tanks and less inf i figured it's on purpose since you gonna control mostly 1-2 tanks of higher caliber, so u gotta give em orders to shoot at targets since they don't' seem to automatically snipe any showing tank, since you can shoot stuff across the map, i can see why the tanks wouldn't do that without you ordering the moment a target shows up, especially from across the map.
They do independently shoot tanks tho its not clear when @@SolarNeonFlare
No man of war 2 ao puxar o pino na granada você já fica visível pro tanque e ainda tem o bug do tanque te acertar sem dar tempo pra fugir
Ainda tem os problemas de física do jogo em que um cavalo puxa um artilharia como se fosse papel
@@MichelRangel1 Cavalos alemães.exe
Qual você acha mlr gate of hell ou o Man of war 2?
@@twitchzando8222 por enquanto o GOH.
MOW2 ainda precisa de muita correção em mecânicas que foi tiradas
Men of war assault squad 2 é muito dahora, mas sinto que os objetivos das missões sempre se repetem, apesar disso acho até melhor que men of war 1
In GoH we need an AI that can creat random maps and AI units that do not need triggers and orders but just try to conquer a certain field or point.
The second german nearly made me piss lmao 😂
I don't know about MoW2, but having played MoWAS and GoH, I can say that the AI of player units is a lot better in Mowas2. In GoH they require a ton of babysitting. To make things worse GoH graphics are such that you have very poor visibility and overview. It feels like trying to find ants and micro them. I only played ostfront I can't speak for Liberation.
I have only found the need to babysit units in call to arms, as in units will refuse to fire a single bullet unless specificly told to. GoH seemed to iron that problem out despite being a extension of CTA.
in goh there is a button in the top left of the UI that fixes this and makes friendly units have a blue outline while enemy units get a red one
i see a lot of people not like the AI in GOH, ive never had an issue really with them with good positioning but idk
@@Legoman775The AI reacts quicker in men of war 2 compared to GoH
Die Backspacetaste zur Reduzierung der Spielgeschwindigkeit funkioniert nicht in MoW II. Hab das Spiel zurück gegeben. 🤨
weird, in As2 i see the IA in battle be more active
When I was relatively new to GoH when I first encountered an AT grenade I thought Hans ran up to my tank and straight up punched it and knocked out my vehicle
Turns out he did, he just had an AT grenade in his hand
Why do GoH soldiers do this
Decades and the MOW AI is still potato
A suicidal potato, i think at this point is a problem with the engine
The infantry in mow 2 is smarter, that's a fact. But the game itself is weaker than the same GoH
Needs a realism mode with proper projectile system like GoH
Ye mowas2 ai is good but not hole squad of anti tank soldiers can't take out a light tank without you controlling it. Even mods can't make ai smarter. But for that time it was good
Kindergarten, 1st grade and 2nd grade funny thought i think many players do this daily just dont put it together definitely not with your style and production skills or imagination
These games have barely shown sny improvement in over a decade theyre fun but seriously put some effort in besides reskins
Dude MOW2 Looks bad as fck
with thousands of hours in assault squad 2 and gates of hell (we dont talk about men of war 2 lmao) I can very confidently say the ai in assault squad 2 is miles ahead of gates of hell and it’s mostly why I still play as2 more tbh
How sad. The first two games seem to show you have to micro every unit. MoW2 does a better job but still totally glitched in a couple of these examples. WTF?!?! How can you even call this AI in most of these examples?
I mean the units are smarter than in most other RTS games. MOWAS2 and GOH are like this after 5+ years of support, so MOW2 shows the most promise imo
@@BatsotPlus there’s a lot more to calculate in this type of rts
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Dude this does not realy count. In Gates of Hell Elite Infantry will perform way better, way more intelligent in free roam mode than ordinary Infantry. Example, ordinary Infantry has a lower percentage to use grenades on their own. Special forces do this immediately. Same at MoW AS2.
mow2 tanks blow up so easily...
not rly, it's due to that heavy tank being so close to these med tanks, they take quite some shits at distance and if it's not a big difference in rank.
All this games looks boring as hell
What do you suggest?
Mow II win
MOW tankers:
>Shoots single tank
>doesn’t elaborate further
>all other tanks too scared to fire back
>🗿
@@charlieyes4946 the infantry AI, the tank ai is not well in this example but handle well in real game, with some update it should be really better.