@@hp9351makes sense. Ren was still set up to be evil 2nd series. It was only "Palpatine retuned somehow" Abrams that wanted him to be a sexy love interest instead. To be fair, it probably involves a lot of Disney interference.
There should have been an agreed upon outline for all 3 films before any casting was even done. Disney fucked up by not planning ahead. Instead, they rushed to get force awakens out because they’re obsessed with money over good art.
1... They should have just used Lucas's story.... or 2 somehow used dark horse comic Dark Empire. The Emporer being sith would possess clones of himself if he died. That is how he cheated death. It would have tied in nicely with 1 2 3. Han wasn't a bum, still a respectful General that learned from his past.
@@hp9351exactly I love how people always just edit around people's words in these interviews. It's just like The Simpsons episode with Homer and the Venus De Milo candy
I find it weird Ryan gets blamed. Because at the end of TLJ Kylo is fully headed to the dark side. Rise of Skywalker is what undid all of that. I’d say it’s Jj’s fault
WHEN ONE FILM THAT GIVES YOU CLOUT WHEN NO ONE KNEW YOU EXCEPT FOR THE MOVIE YOU WERE SHOOTING AT AND CALLING PEOPLE “NIGGER” as THEY SPED AWAY AND NOW EVERYONE ELSE ESPECIALLY ME AND MCGREGOR AND EVERY SMART AND OG STARWARS FAN HATES YOU AND THE OTHER CHICK RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE STORY OF THE BLACK STORM TROOPER WHO SOME HOW IGNITED A LIGHT SABER THAT ISINT EVEN HIS AND ISINT EVEN FORCE SENSITIVE TO DO SO 😂 all of the new ones were ass even the obi-wan series did better and was better
Honestly speaking, the prequels kind of already did it. Anakin started out a good guy in the light, then became a child murdering bastard in the dark. Then in the OT, Vader started out as a murderous bad guy in the dark and slowly shifted to the light after meeting Luke. (Imo it wasn't implemented well in the OT, nor the prequels, but they did a serviceable job in the end.)
@@Sammy-qx5mx no, anakin fully committed to the darkside and had strong motives when he fell, while kylo only wielded red lightsaber and sith playing due to daddy issues in the begining. From this perspective it's clear why kylo thanked han, he got help from his dad fulfilling his wishes to become a sith, marking him never fully committed to the darkside in the begining
@@m.fajarismail5866 Fair point, though I don't think kylo's turn was all that compelling to begin with. If they had made him a little more ambiguous at the beginning, (rather than having him massacre an entire village in the first scene, have him be unable to kill anyone untill that final confrontation with han) and had him slowly darken throughout the first film, I would have found it more believable and compelling.
I thought Rey and Daisy were attractive throughout the films, And that One good scene with the guards Rey and kylo. Other then that I really can’t think anything good about 7-9
A lot of characters did. I will say JJ Abrams and the writer did a great job at setting it up on TFA. Finn, Rey, Kylo, even Luke was setup pretty cool, but oh Ryan flipped everything. You can tell JJ tried to fix it in the 3rd installment, but the damage was too far done.
@@tbgtabias read my comment again with understanding, I said the characters were setup nice in TFA(The Force Awakens), but Ryan flipped everything in The Last Jedi. 2 different directors from TFA and TLJ. I said JJ tried to fix all the problems from TLJ with the third installment, but the damage was too far from repair.
I recall in a George Lucas interview he had a script for the next 3 movies that was sold with Star Wars that ended up with Leia being the chosen one. Apparently Disney said sure thing and made sure nothing from his script was allowed
The author of this short cut the line after the word "but". Adam actually said "Ryan he took it into a different direction, BUT sill kind of still tracked with the character. Than the last one, it changed". So it wasn't changed by Ryan, but by J.J. I know that not many people will read it, but I felt the need of sharing it.
I’m so confused by all the comments saying it was Rians fault, didn’t he have Kylo Ren commit to the dark side in that movie, and people were upset with Kyle’s redemption coming out of nowhere in the third movie?
Man the movies were written so bad that i didnt even realize this but its so obvious! In the beginning he is weak and by the 3rd movie he commits fully and theres an epic battle between him and Ray and even more people helping Ray because he is so bad ass i mean .... Also he should have had a battle with Luke after Luke finds out he kills Han and they have an all out battle like one deserving of the character maybe Luke comes so close to winning but gets tricked or something man they had so so many directions to go
More like everybody had a good idea to start with and Ryan fucked everything over trying to “subverse expectations” to the point of the big bad Snoke? DEAD in an instant. Kylo this guy who murdered one of the most beloved characters and his own father? NOT THAT BAD OF A GUY! Rey seems overly powerful? WELL SHE IS AND IS NOBODY SPECIAL TO EXPLAIN IT! Leia flies through space with the force? YEA SHE IS ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT THE STRONGEST FORCE USER EVER! The Generals plan to stall is dumb when she knows she can lightspeed through a fleet and destroy every enemy behind them in an instant… SHES GOING TO WAIT THE ENTIRE FILM TO DO IT! Finn seemed important and setting up a love story with rey? NOPE HE LIKES THE NEW ASIAN GIRL (that will also be scrapped the moment this film ends) Ryan ruined every thing they were building on and left them to have “Somehow palpatine returned” 😂
@@PaulDaHeadBangeralthough i did like rogue one i had thought it got a lot of bad reviews. Did the new gen trilogies flop so bad that it made one whole movie look better? Honest question no hate just wanna know cuz I didn’t watch the last 2 movies
It would have stayed the same if the toxic haters didn’t boycott and force Disney to ruin episode 9. The original plan was amzing and the main reason it changed was everyone begging for a shitty legends story, y’all got the legends story and hated it
Andor is my favourite Star Wars to date and I grew up obsessed with everything Star Wars.. please check it out before you give up on the franchise! Still hate Disney but there’s some good writers out there
@@mrsantoro8306 he single handedly carried the sequels despite the absolute god forsaken and horrible writing and scripts he was the only decent character.
I hated these movies because of him being an angsty teenager. I felt at the end he was just the emo teen with super powers 😬 Maybe that's on me for not recognizing his journey but the eyeliner didn't help 😅
@@rednull862I think the edgy teen role is just kinda played out for some people, me included. Still enjoyed the first movie though, it’s a shame the direction they’re taking it in. Especially since one of the new directors was only hired because they thought it was a woman of colors time to be at the head of starwars
@@rednull862did you not listen to anything that was said…like confusion, frustration, and anger expressed will look angsty and over the top. His character was supposed to change
No he didn't. I have no idea why people hate that movie so much. I thought it was the best since the empire. If luke was still the hero nobody would give 2 shits. Its just a bunch of fanboys who actually care this much
Literally the only character in the new films that had layers to him everyone else was so one dimensional Edit: Thank you for the likes on this comment glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
I dont know man i feel like everyone had great potential just none of it got realised. Even Rose. For example, why is Rose so die hard for the "resistence"? All i know is she likes it cause hope and rebelling and her sister was into it.
He was the worst person to play a bad guy. I audibly laughed in the cinema when he took off his mask. He was an pencilneckgeek when they needed someone tough to play the part of Kyle Ren.
Did he though? Just a knockoff vader who looked like a duck but was even more of an emo bitch who let himself get manipulated all the way to the end. A poorly written character with a good actor
I wish Ryan Johnson or jj just got to do all 3 films in one go. Having two directors do who clearly did not agree on a direction do a trilogy together was a horrible idea.
"Ryan Roundhead Johnson f*cked it up" is what I got out of that. That and imagine if they had flipped the script and had Rey die to save Ben. She redeems the character in the fans eyes, he goes on to be the legacy character. Imagine how that would have fixed things.
But if Driver is saying the arc of Ren was to end with him being the most committed to the dark side, how did Johnson mess that up? He made Ren kill his master to become the main villain in 8, but then Abram came and redeemed him in 9 (making him NOT committed to the dark side). If they flip the script like you said, you still end up with him being redeemed and NOT committed to the dark side
@@filthyneutral5801 What you also end up with is a character who the fanbase actually likes, played by an actor the fanbase actually likes, still being alive to carry on the franchise. They knew Rey was deeply unpopular with the fanbase before they made even the second film.
Wasted potential is the best summation for those movies. Aside from out right character assassination and the politics. They didn’t have a solid plan for a trilogy, but they did have decent set up that was squandered. Also, I will die on this hill, Finn should have been the main character. They should have done more with the fact that the storm troopers were all apparently kidnapped and brainwashed as children.
I’ll die on that hill with ya bud. His character was terribly written. That one amazing episode 7 trailer set him up to be the hero, with a very interesting background being a defected stormtrooper, and at the end, we see him terrified holding a familiar blue lightsaber facing the new bad guy, whats gonna happen?! Is this how Luke returns?? Will this new stormtrooper guy be his apprentice?! What will happen?! Then the movie comes out and he’s a goofy space janitor who just chases Rey around. And he only devolves into a lamer version of himself in episode 8… don’t even remember him in 9. Wasted potential
I agree. It was literally the most interesting and deepest concept they had, and they fumbled it after the 1st film because the next director wanted to go rogue.
Disney was so stupid to kill off Kylo in the first place as he was easily the most interesting/popular character in the sequel trilogy. Also, there are NDA’s in place especially in big franchise movies so if he were returning, he for sure would not reveal that in some podcast. (Example: Ewan Mcgregor and Andrew Garfield lied for years about their involvement in future movies/projects)
@@ItzGirk he sort of faded away when he poured all his life force to bring back Rey so it was implied that he died. He never appeared as a force ghost tho and this is Star Wars so death hardly stops anyone from coming back. Im actually hoping that they bring Ben back alive because they can do so much with his character and that would mean that the Skywalker line does not end in complete tragedy.
*Disney needs to drop the entire Sequel Trilogy from Star Wars Canon **_altogether._* Otherwise, they are just using a bucket to dump more, and more water onto what is an already sinking ship.
He was screwed over in Force Awakens anyway when they allowed Rey to best him the first she ignited a lightsaber. I like the idea of him growing into a “worthy” successor to Vader but the foundation wasn’t even laid properly.
I think all the actors had the rugs pulled out from under them in these films. Imaging the original elation of 'winning' these roles and all the stuff behind it. Feeling like you truly made it, being part of one the biggest and most important franchises in any media's history... then talking/thinking like this by the end of it. The actors from the first 3 episodes are happier than this.
(Talk show interviews being asked about SW) OT actors: I had the time of my life PT actors: I had the time of my life ST actors: I said I would punch your face if you asked about star wars!
@Ludwig1970 If all 3 movies would have had the same director and would have been driven by the same goals and said direction, then the overall quality would be different and likely improved.
@@wadelee05903 If all three movies had been made by anyone other than JJ Abrams there’s a possibility of that being true. If JJ made all three it still would’ve been a dumpster fire. He’s proven time and time again that the only thing he can do as a filmmaker is make “mystery boxes” that have no answers and plagiarize just enough to make it seem like it’s being nostalgic but he can’t even pull off nostalgic moments either. They come off as way too cheesy in moments that never feel natural or genuine and basically turns it into a parody. He’s a used car salesman disguised as a filmmaker.
Thing is, Kylo Ren was probably the best part about disneys Star Wars. He added deep character on a character we all wanted to see. Anyone would have loved to see any dark side character be confused about their morals and stuff. We got a peak of it when anakin became darth vder when mace windu was about to arrest palpatine. Problem is, we got the same treatment for EVERY CHARACTER. We have been forced to like each character on screen so none of us dove deep into Kylo Ren except as to how much he failed. Dawg, his lightsaber was bad ass. He just needed a kick from the old war to ramp his inspirations.
I remember a few week, maybe it was a few months, aster “The Force Awakens” came out, someone from Star Wars read the script for the second movie (the script at the time) and they mentioned that it was so good they literally cried. Sad what happened to it. I would’ve liked to see that film.
That would have been bad ass and it would have made sense that Luke tried to kill him bc he knew he couldn’t be tamed. As it is, it took barely anything to turn him back which makes Luke look like a psychopath.
Yea that was Ryan Johnson’s Luke where he was able to turn Vader the most powerful sith next to sidious. But then for luke to think that his nephew could never change and immediately tries to kill him in his sleep which is dishonorable as it gets. The people in charge didn’t think about the small details in the big picture they wanted which goes to terrible writing and they wanted to make Star Wars their own story.
Except Rian kept him on the same path. Thry wanted to setup Kylo as the big bad, and Rian set him up as the darkest he was gonna be. ROS screwed everything
Whoever thought it’s a good idea to do a trilogy with no plan despite „well it has to be three movies, because Star Wars“ is hopefully not at Lucasfilm anymore.
They are. The movies made a lot of money, the merch sells well, and the critics loved the movies. A success by many metrics to Disney. Most of the Star Wars fans don't care about Star Wars in the same way some of us more obsessed fans care. All of that and yet the movies aren't even good films in their own right. The Force Awakens has the most going for it, but it is still just a rehash of A New Hope. It truly blows my mind that they spent so much money and time making a trilogy and not having the story already figured out. The fact that it changed midway through is disasterous and is a major failure that ultimately lies on the production team.
@@dense_and_dullwhat are you. Talking about the merch of Disney Star Wars doesn’t sell. They even had to close down the cruiser hotel. Solo lost money. The force awakens had the good will of ROTS plus over a decade of no Star Wars films and made over 2B. Then when people realized how bad it was the next movie made 1.3B. That’s a drop of over 700M dollars. Then the last movie made 1.1B another drop of 200M for a total of at least 900M. The mandalorian lost half of its viewership for season 3. And they’re praying that baby gods will same them which is why the mando movie is called the mandolorian and grogu. Ashoka was bad, kenobi was bad. You now have multiple chapters taking direct lightsaber stabs and coming back. And now they have a Pakistani activist director who “loves to make men uncomfortable” slotted to direct the next Rey movie. I predict a bomb on par with the marvels. Even normie Star Wars channels are starting to ask questions as to why these movies are so bad now.
@@benjaminpaczak6549 Spending 4 billion dollars to aquire a property, then launching a trilogy without a long term plan is pure fucking insanity. That's way bigger than Kennedy. I assume they saw Marvel on the upswing and figured it would be easy to quickly churn a cinematic universe out of Star Wars quickly.
The original arc would’ve been better and a subversion of expectations. We’re so used to character redemption stories, that we rarely get to see a character go from uncertain to fully committed to evil
You morons dont even know what your talking about. Adam mentions ryan took it in a new direction but kept it on the same track. Then it actually changed in episode 9.
If you'd listen to the actual interview then you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired and Rian Johnson should be blacklistsd. Seriously you don’t take a job and step into a role knowing that your job is to complete it - just to blow up the foundation and building blocks in the middle of the project. That is literally what Rian did. He took all the building blocks set up in the first film and went out of his way to torch all of them. His behavior during this project was completely unprofessional and Kennedy should be ousted from the industry for allowing him to rampage through the production like a petulant child. What really irks me is Disney and Rian will try to make this about misogyny. It’s just toxic male fans who didn’t like our woke changes. When in reality it was just straight up awful writing. Like objectively JJ Abram’s and Lawrence Kasdan set up the entire trilogy’s story and Rian went through and destroyed every single plot thread and undid everything. He basically hit the reset button in the middle of the story and then screwed over the next director by then having to start all over again in the final film. If that isn’t reckless irresponsible behavior I don’t know what it is. Even if you aren’t a nerd Star Wars fan this is really unheard of.
Preach‼️ The whole thing boggles my mind. Disney burned an entirely fleshed out Expanded Universe, only to piss on the ashes trying to make a quick $buck. I find the Sequel Trilogy un-effing-watchable. Not just out of my utter disdain for the three films. For the fact they created a trilogy without any forethought, or plan as to how their storyline (or lack thereof) would affect the rest of the previously established lore from the Original & Prequel Trilogies. Not to mention all the animated series, novels, comics, etc. If I ever see Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy in public, I will summarily slap them across the face with a white glove like a southern gentleman, and demand my satisfaction by way of a duel. If they lose; Sequel Trilogy gets dropped from Canon. If I lose… …at least I will have the sweet release of never having to think about how they ruined my childhood every time I see a clip from the Gawd Awful Sequel Trilogy. I see it as a win-win in my book.
On god. It's like Knives Out too. The first one was a standard by the book murder mystery. The second one was a shitty subversion "there was no murder" where "rich guy evil". Sure it had decent ideas, so did TLJ, but Rian just can't execute shit
What are you talking about Rian firstly didn't do the thing Adam claimed I assume he was going to end with "then JJ changed his mind". Kylo at the end of Episode 8 became the villain. Because Rian killed of the master figure making it almost impossible to continue to copy the OT by Snoke taking over Palpatine's role by making the bad guy good because of an even badder guy. Rian made a new Star Wars story, he built on the same story structure for Luke as Lucas had. He built on corruption like Lucas had and so on. But it was right during that anti-sjw period so people were attacking movies that in any way represented women and minorities.
@@flouserschirdsadly that seems to be the only thing that makes sense. How can someone F up a golden franchise the way he did, it had to be on purpose. Even mark Hamill himself didn't agree with Rian at all.
JJ knows how to direct and write characters with complexity. I feel like the first movie was just him t-ing it up for the next two just to have Ryan come up with world breaking scenarios.
Now that he says this about kylo’s arc it makes sense that he lost in the first movie because he was so unsure of himself and his power in the darkside they could have used that loss as a good motivator for him to get stronger and scarier in the second and third movies if they went that route i probably would have really enjoyed his character
It is stated in the novelization and at the beginning of TLJ that the reason Kylo lost was because he was conflicted (and because he was heavily wounded ofc)
Best work around I can think of is to have mon mothma fill her role, say Leia was assassinated by a imperial loyalist or a knight of ren and mothma took that as a sign to start the resistance or something...
I still remember watching that last scene scene where he was killing all those troopers in the corridor and it always upset me that they didn’t do that final action scene with him and a blaster along with his lightsaber. It’s also would’ve hammered home that before he became a Jedi he was Han’s son. It just woulda been sick to see him rocking the lightsaber in one hand and the blaster in the other. Even have him do the classic Han pose but with the lightsaber in his free hand.
Kylo going to the light would have been great if it had happened in the last jedi. It would have been interesting to have rey fall to the dark side as well and end with redeemed kylo vs dark rey.
You dont even know what your talking about. Ryan johnson continued the arc adam driver is talking about perfectly. By the end of the last jedi kylo is more committed to the dark side and more confident as he is no longer taking orders from snoke. If you bothered to watch the actual interview you would know adam mentions ryan took it in a new direction but was on the same track. Then it changed in episode 9.
If you'd listen to the actual interview than you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
@@TonyTynebridge you just proved my point that you guys dont know what youre talking about because that is not the end of the movie you blind idiot. Kylo ren kills snoke so he can take over the first order and he wants rey to join him. For a brief moment their goals aligned so they teamed up. After that rey escapes to kreit and saves everybody while luke confronts kylo ren and there is 0 conflict within kylo ren in this scene. Luke doesnt even try and bring it out because he knows there is none, unlike with vader when he could sense the conflict. I cant believe I just had to explain the ending of the movie. Your never aloud to criticize this movie again if you dont even remember the movie.
I do feel bad for basically all the actors in those movies they clearly were pitched these story’s that would span the whole trilogy and that were good and interesting and they were carrying about just for every movie to do a completely 180 on the last like they did exactly what they were asked perfectly but got screwed over so badly by the company
Or how big of idiots you people are. Adam mentions ryan changed it but kept it on the same track, then it really changed in episode 9. Either actually pay attention or stfu.
Adam is a fantastic actor who did what he could with what he was given. He is too good for Disney Star Wars… Star Wars is too good for Disney Star Wars 😂. They need to let it die as I have no faith they can bring it back. Andor was fantastic! It’s a shame they can’t have that writing for the main movies… maybe we would have enough world building to know how the empire comes back and everyone is rebels again 😂 How the fuck does someone blow up 5 planets and end the republic that spans the whole galaxy? The sequels aren’t canon.
That trilogy would’ve been so much better if they gave all three movies to JJ. Not saying it would be perfect, but it would’ve been better than what we got!
If you'd listen to the actual interview than you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
That would have been better than what they actually did. I would also like to have seen him go beyond the Light and the Dark as (I think) Ren mentions wanting to do at some point to the pure Force. So, he would still have helped Rey kill Palpatine- but he would have survived and then gone off on his own to pursue his new path. He’d have become more of a proper anti-hero, with his own personal power as his goal but still on the side of good up to a point, or perhaps even an anti-villain, doing very bad things for very good reasons. Pretty much anything would have been more interesting than what they did.
I liked where the story was going in The Last Jedi, he clearly was committing to the Dark Side, not necessarily as a Sith, just the Dark Side. I was pissed when I saw them give the helmet back in Rise of Skywalker.
I bet behind the scenes there are a great many people who worked on The Force Awakens, who understood the potential, that are secretly pissed off at how all that potential got wasted.
It would of been really interesting to see Adam’s take on the character form in the second and third one because it could of shown how ruthless he could’ve been after killing his own father
Disney messed it up by not having a single person in charge of shaping and holding onto a 3 movie story. Ryan Johnson ran 9/10 of a mile and dropped the baton. He had some good ideas, but left nothing for the third movie.
One of the saddest things about the sequel trilogies is that a lot of the actors are good. It’s not their fault that the writers and producers f#cked it all up.
“Ryan took it into another direction” this is the most polite way to put, “he fucked over everything”
Listen to the interview, he says that Rian continued the character arc as intended, and JJ changed his mind on 9
@@hp9351makes sense. Ren was still set up to be evil 2nd series. It was only "Palpatine retuned somehow" Abrams that wanted him to be a sexy love interest instead. To be fair, it probably involves a lot of Disney interference.
There should have been an agreed upon outline for all 3 films before any casting was even done. Disney fucked up by not planning ahead. Instead, they rushed to get force awakens out because they’re obsessed with money over good art.
1... They should have just used Lucas's story.... or 2 somehow used dark horse comic Dark Empire.
The Emporer being sith would possess clones of himself if he died. That is how he cheated death. It would have tied in nicely with 1 2 3. Han wasn't a bum, still a respectful General that learned from his past.
@@hp9351exactly I love how people always just edit around people's words in these interviews. It's just like The Simpsons episode with Homer and the Venus De Milo candy
Adam Driver was probably my favorite actor out of the new cast as well
I find it weird Ryan gets blamed. Because at the end of TLJ Kylo is fully headed to the dark side. Rise of Skywalker is what undid all of that. I’d say it’s Jj’s fault
John Boyega did a great job, even if Finn had some poor writing
WHEN ONE FILM THAT GIVES YOU CLOUT WHEN NO ONE KNEW YOU EXCEPT FOR THE MOVIE YOU WERE SHOOTING AT AND CALLING PEOPLE “NIGGER” as THEY SPED AWAY AND NOW EVERYONE ELSE ESPECIALLY ME AND MCGREGOR AND EVERY SMART AND OG STARWARS FAN HATES YOU AND THE OTHER CHICK RUINED IT FOR EVERYONE AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE STORY OF THE BLACK STORM TROOPER WHO SOME HOW IGNITED A LIGHT SABER THAT ISINT EVEN HIS AND ISINT EVEN FORCE SENSITIVE TO DO SO 😂 all of the new ones were ass even the obi-wan series did better and was better
He looks like a young Severus snape
Yeah he stood out and he played Kylo well despite the horrible script and direction
Flipping the Vader arc is such a good idea. I wish we could’ve seen it 😢
Ikr? And by the end anakin may taught rey to become much more powerful, and that still making him the chosen one
😂😂
Honestly speaking, the prequels kind of already did it. Anakin started out a good guy in the light, then became a child murdering bastard in the dark. Then in the OT, Vader started out as a murderous bad guy in the dark and slowly shifted to the light after meeting Luke. (Imo it wasn't implemented well in the OT, nor the prequels, but they did a serviceable job in the end.)
@@Sammy-qx5mx no, anakin fully committed to the darkside and had strong motives when he fell, while kylo only wielded red lightsaber and sith playing due to daddy issues in the begining. From this perspective it's clear why kylo thanked han, he got help from his dad fulfilling his wishes to become a sith, marking him never fully committed to the darkside in the begining
@@m.fajarismail5866 Fair point, though I don't think kylo's turn was all that compelling to begin with. If they had made him a little more ambiguous at the beginning, (rather than having him massacre an entire village in the first scene, have him be unable to kill anyone untill that final confrontation with han) and had him slowly darken throughout the first film, I would have found it more believable and compelling.
It’s sad because EP 7-9 are basically just “fall asleep until Adam Driver is on the screen”
I thought Rey and Daisy were attractive throughout the films, And that One good scene with the guards Rey and kylo. Other then that I really can’t think anything good about 7-9
Ian mcdiarmid as palpatine commands the attention of the audience, even if he somehow returned
@@billygoat-gm8yo attractive, doesn’t mean good get out of here with that shit
Kylo Ren had such good potential too
the ONLY half descent character
Seriously I wish they did him right. He's the only reason I watch the sequels. Especially since Adam is a good actor
A lot of characters did. I will say JJ Abrams and the writer did a great job at setting it up on TFA. Finn, Rey, Kylo, even Luke was setup pretty cool, but oh Ryan flipped everything. You can tell JJ tried to fix it in the 3rd installment, but the damage was too far done.
@@AlexCole272 no they didn't lmao. Luke was horrible in the 2nd movie especially what are you on about
@@tbgtabias read my comment again with understanding, I said the characters were setup nice in TFA(The Force Awakens), but Ryan flipped everything in The Last Jedi. 2 different directors from TFA and TLJ. I said JJ tried to fix all the problems from TLJ with the third installment, but the damage was too far from repair.
Episodes 7-9 is basically like a game of “telephone” between two directors
It reminds a lot of the last few seasons of GoT lol.
Calling JJ and Rian Directors is very generous
@@thequestbroAt least JJ had a plan.
A game of telephone but on both sides they have to listen through a brick wall surrounded buy mattresses.
I recall in a George Lucas interview he had a script for the next 3 movies that was sold with Star Wars that ended up with Leia being the chosen one.
Apparently Disney said sure thing and made sure nothing from his script was allowed
The author of this short cut the line after the word "but". Adam actually said "Ryan he took it into a different direction, BUT sill kind of still tracked with the character. Than the last one, it changed". So it wasn't changed by Ryan, but by J.J. I know that not many people will read it, but I felt the need of sharing it.
JJ directed him on the original arc, Rian stuck his dick in it and JJ had to find some way to unfuck the thoroughly American Pie'd "trilogy"
Makes no difference. Rian "kinda tracking" is not a good thing. That's weak and reaching very hard. Rian screwed everything.
2015 J.J. Was the best director
Rian made worse, an already bad story.
I’m so confused by all the comments saying it was Rians fault, didn’t he have Kylo Ren commit to the dark side in that movie, and people were upset with Kyle’s redemption coming out of nowhere in the third movie?
“Because Disney sucks.” Would’ve been a shorter answer
in other words “the destroyers of star wars quickly realized i had a great idea, and they said ‘not on our watch’ “
Man the movies were written so bad that i didnt even realize this but its so obvious! In the beginning he is weak and by the 3rd movie he commits fully and theres an epic battle between him and Ray and even more people helping Ray because he is so bad ass i mean .... Also he should have had a battle with Luke after Luke finds out he kills Han and they have an all out battle like one deserving of the character maybe Luke comes so close to winning but gets tricked or something man they had so so many directions to go
@@michaelmarquez6133no
More like everybody had a good idea to start with and Ryan fucked everything over trying to “subverse expectations” to the point of the big bad Snoke? DEAD in an instant. Kylo this guy who murdered one of the most beloved characters and his own father? NOT THAT BAD OF A GUY! Rey seems overly powerful? WELL SHE IS AND IS NOBODY SPECIAL TO EXPLAIN IT! Leia flies through space with the force? YEA SHE IS ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT THE STRONGEST FORCE USER EVER! The Generals plan to stall is dumb when she knows she can lightspeed through a fleet and destroy every enemy behind them in an instant… SHES GOING TO WAIT THE ENTIRE FILM TO DO IT! Finn seemed important and setting up a love story with rey? NOPE HE LIKES THE NEW ASIAN GIRL (that will also be scrapped the moment this film ends)
Ryan ruined every thing they were building on and left them to have “Somehow palpatine returned” 😂
Seems like Rian said not on my watch, I'm going to divide the fan base... for clout...
Im so glad Disney said Episode 7-9 aren't canonical anymore 🎉
Jeez, just listening to the actors from episodes 7-9 are all the reasons I'd need to avoid all Disney Star Wars
Rogue 1, mandalorian, andor, kenobi have all been pretty good.
@@PaulDaHeadBangeralthough i did like rogue one i had thought it got a lot of bad reviews. Did the new gen trilogies flop so bad that it made one whole movie look better? Honest question no hate just wanna know cuz I didn’t watch the last 2 movies
It would have stayed the same if the toxic haters didn’t boycott and force Disney to ruin episode 9. The original plan was amzing and the main reason it changed was everyone begging for a shitty legends story, y’all got the legends story and hated it
@@Ubarerforce Disney? No one forced the billion dollar company to do anything. They ruined it themselves
Andor is my favourite Star Wars to date and I grew up obsessed with everything Star Wars.. please check it out before you give up on the franchise! Still hate Disney but there’s some good writers out there
That first plan sounded so good 😢
Adam Driver is such a strange person. I can never get past the Adam Driveriness to actually see the characters he portrays
Have you seen Ferrari?
@@joshuawoodbridge6267 I saw a trailer for it. I had a good laugh.
Nah I know what you mean. I think it’s just he has unique/odd appearance imo but he’s a cool cat
Adam is a hell of an actor, too bad Disney writers suck.
More like the rich assholes not paying them enough sucks
No he’s not. He’s terrible.
@@mrsantoro8306he is a very good actor.talk about yourself 🤡
@@mrsantoro8306 so why has he been in so many good movies as a lead role, and also has oscar nominations too?
@@mrsantoro8306 he single handedly carried the sequels despite the absolute god forsaken and horrible writing and scripts he was the only decent character.
It explains so much why kylo seemed like an unstable teenager. He pretty much was and was intended to harden over time
I mean…his grandfather and his uncle were both unstable teenagers at one point in time.
I hated these movies because of him being an angsty teenager. I felt at the end he was just the emo teen with super powers 😬 Maybe that's on me for not recognizing his journey but the eyeliner didn't help 😅
@@rednull862I think the edgy teen role is just kinda played out for some people, me included. Still enjoyed the first movie though, it’s a shame the direction they’re taking it in. Especially since one of the new directors was only hired because they thought it was a woman of colors time to be at the head of starwars
@@rednull862did you not listen to anything that was said…like confusion, frustration, and anger expressed will look angsty and over the top. His character was supposed to change
Except Anakin was a teen
This dude was in his thirties
I will never not be depressed hearing about all the ideas that were floating around while making the sequels and how we got the worst possible outcome
I wish the writers got to write what they wanted without Disney's meddling.
God, Ryan Johnson fucked Star Wars beyond repair
Disney*
JJ Abrams*
Kathleen Kennedy takes alot of blame too. But as far as the last jedi goes Rian Takes all the blame.
Kathleen has done way more to destroy Star wars
No he didn't. I have no idea why people hate that movie so much. I thought it was the best since the empire. If luke was still the hero nobody would give 2 shits. Its just a bunch of fanboys who actually care this much
Literally the only character in the new films that had layers to him everyone else was so one dimensional
Edit: Thank you for the likes on this comment glad I'm not the only one who feels this way
I dont know man i feel like everyone had great potential just none of it got realised. Even Rose. For example, why is Rose so die hard for the "resistence"? All i know is she likes it cause hope and rebelling and her sister was into it.
He was the worst person to play a bad guy.
I audibly laughed in the cinema when he took off his mask.
He was an pencilneckgeek when they needed someone tough to play the part of Kyle Ren.
@mr.afrikaans1747 a dude that watches Star Wars calling some one a geek. How ironic 🤣
Did he though? Just a knockoff vader who looked like a duck but was even more of an emo bitch who let himself get manipulated all the way to the end. A poorly written character with a good actor
It was bad writing and script all around for majority of the characters and plot
I wish Ryan Johnson or jj just got to do all 3 films in one go. Having two directors do who clearly did not agree on a direction do a trilogy together was a horrible idea.
"Ryan Roundhead Johnson f*cked it up" is what I got out of that.
That and imagine if they had flipped the script and had Rey die to save Ben. She redeems the character in the fans eyes, he goes on to be the legacy character. Imagine how that would have fixed things.
But if Driver is saying the arc of Ren was to end with him being the most committed to the dark side, how did Johnson mess that up? He made Ren kill his master to become the main villain in 8, but then Abram came and redeemed him in 9 (making him NOT committed to the dark side). If they flip the script like you said, you still end up with him being redeemed and NOT committed to the dark side
@@filthyneutral5801 What you also end up with is a character who the fanbase actually likes, played by an actor the fanbase actually likes, still being alive to carry on the franchise. They knew Rey was deeply unpopular with the fanbase before they made even the second film.
😂😂😂 you have fine viewing taste to know that nickname.
Ryan fucked this whole shit up
Wasted potential is the best summation for those movies. Aside from out right character assassination and the politics. They didn’t have a solid plan for a trilogy, but they did have decent set up that was squandered. Also, I will die on this hill, Finn should have been the main character. They should have done more with the fact that the storm troopers were all apparently kidnapped and brainwashed as children.
after episode 7 they completely forgot Finn used to be a stormtrooper
I’ll die on that hill with ya bud. His character was terribly written. That one amazing episode 7 trailer set him up to be the hero, with a very interesting background being a defected stormtrooper, and at the end, we see him terrified holding a familiar blue lightsaber facing the new bad guy, whats gonna happen?! Is this how Luke returns?? Will this new stormtrooper guy be his apprentice?! What will happen?! Then the movie comes out and he’s a goofy space janitor who just chases Rey around. And he only devolves into a lamer version of himself in episode 8… don’t even remember him in 9. Wasted potential
kidnapped stormtroopers could easily explain why stroomtroopers suck at shooting: many miss their shots on purpose as a protest (in secret)
I agree. It was literally the most interesting and deepest concept they had, and they fumbled it after the 1st film because the next director wanted to go rogue.
Im not even black and i was READY FOR FINN TO GET REY AND USE THE FORCE
Disney was so stupid to kill off Kylo in the first place as he was easily the most interesting/popular character in the sequel trilogy. Also, there are NDA’s in place especially in big franchise movies so if he were returning, he for sure would not reveal that in some podcast. (Example: Ewan Mcgregor and Andrew Garfield lied for years about their involvement in future movies/projects)
That’s why they killed him…can’t allow him to take attention away from or be anything more than a supporting role for the Mary sue.
I forgot that he died. 😂😅 That’s how forgettable EP. IX is for me. It’s a terrible film.
@@Nikelaos_Khristianoslmao fr bro. Like I kinda remember he did but I don’t care enough to think in detail about how and when😭
@@user93279I thought he died n Rey brought him back ? Do I have it backwards ?
@@ItzGirk he sort of faded away when he poured all his life force to bring back Rey so it was implied that he died. He never appeared as a force ghost tho and this is Star Wars so death hardly stops anyone from coming back. Im actually hoping that they bring Ben back alive because they can do so much with his character and that would mean that the Skywalker line does not end in complete tragedy.
At least my man had the balls to step down and acknowledge the fact
Great actor, good character base, TERIBBLE PLOT
*Disney needs to drop the entire Sequel Trilogy from Star Wars Canon **_altogether._*
Otherwise, they are just using a bucket to dump more, and more water onto what is an already sinking ship.
They are too stupid to do so. The same shit they are doing with marvel right now. Literally ruining what can’t be ruined
Sunk cost fallacy.
Captain Phasma was the only new character I didn’t want to permanently erase from my memory.
There is Lucas Canon amd Dark Canon
@@Automata_Eve because they didn't give her enough time for that, i bet.
"What? You mean you wouldnt be interested in comming back to play Reys personal force ghost assistant?"
He was screwed over in Force Awakens anyway when they allowed Rey to best him the first she ignited a lightsaber.
I like the idea of him growing into a “worthy” successor to Vader but the foundation wasn’t even laid properly.
The sequels may have been bad, but Adam's performance was excellent.
I think all the actors had the rugs pulled out from under them in these films.
Imaging the original elation of 'winning' these roles and all the stuff behind it. Feeling like you truly made it, being part of one the biggest and most important franchises in any media's history... then talking/thinking like this by the end of it.
The actors from the first 3 episodes are happier than this.
(Talk show interviews being asked about SW)
OT actors: I had the time of my life
PT actors: I had the time of my life
ST actors: I said I would punch your face if you asked about star wars!
Bro that would've been a hell of story
Yeah a story with actual backbone.
No it wouldn’t. The story would’ve been different but the quality still would’ve been dogshit.
That sentence describes the entire sequel trilogy
@Ludwig1970 If all 3 movies would have had the same director and would have been driven by the same goals and said direction, then the overall quality would be different and likely improved.
@@wadelee05903 If all three movies had been made by anyone other than JJ Abrams there’s a possibility of that being true. If JJ made all three it still would’ve been a dumpster fire. He’s proven time and time again that the only thing he can do as a filmmaker is make “mystery boxes” that have no answers and plagiarize just enough to make it seem like it’s being nostalgic but he can’t even pull off nostalgic moments either. They come off as way too cheesy in moments that never feel natural or genuine and basically turns it into a parody. He’s a used car salesman disguised as a filmmaker.
They need to do a movie where Luke wakes up and it was all a bad dream
Im so glad Episode 7-9 aren't canonical anymore 🎉
Thing is, Kylo Ren was probably the best part about disneys Star Wars. He added deep character on a character we all wanted to see. Anyone would have loved to see any dark side character be confused about their morals and stuff. We got a peak of it when anakin became darth vder when mace windu was about to arrest palpatine.
Problem is, we got the same treatment for EVERY CHARACTER. We have been forced to like each character on screen so none of us dove deep into Kylo Ren except as to how much he failed. Dawg, his lightsaber was bad ass. He just needed a kick from the old war to ramp his inspirations.
couldn't have said it better
Mando standing here like 🧍♀️
@@made4change and Kylo is a whiney wanna be anakin lmao
@@corycox5674Mando has no character
Breaks my heart he was THE BEST thing about the sequels
Doesn't say much
A low bar
John Williams music was the best part of the sequels.
Man still had it during his 90's.
@@mitchtherevolutionOng it was the best thing ever
I thought he was terrible.
Written & Directed by Rian Johnson
It's so wild that actors en mass are leaving projects that they care about because the show runners dgaf.
I remember a few week, maybe it was a few months, aster “The Force Awakens” came out, someone from Star Wars read the script for the second movie (the script at the time) and they mentioned that it was so good they literally cried. Sad what happened to it. I would’ve liked to see that film.
Ironically I think it was JJ that read Rian’s script and said he wished he was directing it instead.
What happened to it is the s**t stain known as Ryan Johnson and let me tell ya he is still not making good things.
@@gchu149JJ was a producer on tlj and did a bit with that storyline
They cried because is was so bad they had to burn there first “starwars” item im glad
no pun intended?
That would have been bad ass and it would have made sense that Luke tried to kill him bc he knew he couldn’t be tamed. As it is, it took barely anything to turn him back which makes Luke look like a psychopath.
When you see the original plan for rise of Skywalker, we were so close to getting something like this. But no, "somehow palpatine returned"
Yea that was Ryan Johnson’s Luke where he was able to turn Vader the most powerful sith next to sidious. But then for luke to think that his nephew could never change and immediately tries to kill him in his sleep which is dishonorable as it gets. The people in charge didn’t think about the small details in the big picture they wanted which goes to terrible writing and they wanted to make Star Wars their own story.
The Luke in this trilogy was a psychopath. Luke never would've tried to kill his nephew he would've died trying to turn him back
Exactly. They make Luke out to be a completely wasteful lunatic.
Of course "Girl power" is gonna force him to behave in the end 😂.
"With Ryan, he took it in a different direction," a quote you never want to hear
Except Rian kept him on the same path. Thry wanted to setup Kylo as the big bad, and Rian set him up as the darkest he was gonna be. ROS screwed everything
Honestly I liked his arc in the last two movies, and some of his fights are among my favorite choreographies
Whoever thought it’s a good idea to do a trilogy with no plan despite „well it has to be three movies, because Star Wars“ is hopefully not at Lucasfilm anymore.
The force is female
@@Wild_Danimalughh…. I saw it all coming a mile away but didn’t want to believe it
They are. The movies made a lot of money, the merch sells well, and the critics loved the movies. A success by many metrics to Disney. Most of the Star Wars fans don't care about Star Wars in the same way some of us more obsessed fans care. All of that and yet the movies aren't even good films in their own right. The Force Awakens has the most going for it, but it is still just a rehash of A New Hope.
It truly blows my mind that they spent so much money and time making a trilogy and not having the story already figured out. The fact that it changed midway through is disasterous and is a major failure that ultimately lies on the production team.
@@dense_and_dullwhat are you. Talking about the merch of Disney Star Wars doesn’t sell. They even had to close down the cruiser hotel. Solo lost money.
The force awakens had the good will of ROTS plus over a decade of no Star Wars films and made over 2B. Then when people realized how bad it was the next movie made 1.3B. That’s a drop of over 700M dollars. Then the last movie made 1.1B another drop of 200M for a total of at least 900M. The mandalorian lost half of its viewership for season 3. And they’re praying that baby gods will same them which is why the mando movie is called the mandolorian and grogu. Ashoka was bad, kenobi was bad. You now have multiple chapters taking direct lightsaber stabs and coming back.
And now they have a Pakistani activist director who “loves to make men uncomfortable” slotted to direct the next Rey movie. I predict a bomb on par with the marvels.
Even normie Star Wars channels are starting to ask questions as to why these movies are so bad now.
kk Decided.
KK screwed starwars and the rest of her cronies .
she gone get me
The fact that she and JJ didn't make a three -movie outline for Rian and Colin to follow is the real problem with the NT.
@@benjaminpaczak6549
Spending 4 billion dollars to aquire a property, then launching a trilogy without a long term plan is pure fucking insanity.
That's way bigger than Kennedy.
I assume they saw Marvel on the upswing and figured it would be easy to quickly churn a cinematic universe out of Star Wars quickly.
The original arc would’ve been better and a subversion of expectations. We’re so used to character redemption stories, that we rarely get to see a character go from uncertain to fully committed to evil
I know that reporter didn’t just say Kylo was Vader 2.0, NAH
Ryan Johnson deserves prison time.
Lmao
I know ur not even making joke. Legit.
You morons dont even know what your talking about. Adam mentions ryan took it in a new direction but kept it on the same track. Then it actually changed in episode 9.
If you'd listen to the actual interview then you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
I know but.. if The last Jedi made 1.333 billion (says Google) sooooooo....
Kathleen Kennedy should have been fired and Rian Johnson should be blacklistsd. Seriously you don’t take a job and step into a role knowing that your job is to complete it - just to blow up the foundation and building blocks in the middle of the project.
That is literally what Rian did. He took all the building blocks set up in the first film and went out of his way to torch all of them. His behavior during this project was completely unprofessional and Kennedy should be ousted from the industry for allowing him to rampage through the production like a petulant child.
What really irks me is Disney and Rian will try to make this about misogyny. It’s just toxic male fans who didn’t like our woke changes. When in reality it was just straight up awful writing. Like objectively JJ Abram’s and Lawrence Kasdan set up the entire trilogy’s story and Rian went through and destroyed every single plot thread and undid everything.
He basically hit the reset button in the middle of the story and then screwed over the next director by then having to start all over again in the final film. If that isn’t reckless irresponsible behavior I don’t know what it is.
Even if you aren’t a nerd Star Wars fan this is really unheard of.
Preach‼️
The whole thing boggles my mind. Disney burned an entirely fleshed out Expanded Universe, only to piss on the ashes trying to make a quick $buck.
I find the Sequel Trilogy un-effing-watchable. Not just out of my utter disdain for the three films. For the fact they created a trilogy without any forethought, or plan as to how their storyline (or lack thereof) would affect the rest of the previously established lore from the Original & Prequel Trilogies. Not to mention all the animated series, novels, comics, etc.
If I ever see Rian Johnson or Kathleen Kennedy in public, I will summarily slap them across the face with a white glove like a southern gentleman, and demand my satisfaction by way of a duel. If they lose; Sequel Trilogy gets dropped from Canon. If I lose…
…at least I will have the sweet release of never having to think about how they ruined my childhood every time I see a clip from the Gawd Awful Sequel Trilogy.
I see it as a win-win in my book.
I am convinced Rian HATED Star Wars and the fans and purposely made a film to spite everyone.
On god. It's like Knives Out too.
The first one was a standard by the book murder mystery.
The second one was a shitty subversion "there was no murder" where "rich guy evil".
Sure it had decent ideas, so did TLJ, but Rian just can't execute shit
What are you talking about Rian firstly didn't do the thing Adam claimed I assume he was going to end with "then JJ changed his mind".
Kylo at the end of Episode 8 became the villain. Because Rian killed of the master figure making it almost impossible to continue to copy the OT by Snoke taking over Palpatine's role by making the bad guy good because of an even badder guy. Rian made a new Star Wars story, he built on the same story structure for Luke as Lucas had. He built on corruption like Lucas had and so on. But it was right during that anti-sjw period so people were attacking movies that in any way represented women and minorities.
@@flouserschirdsadly that seems to be the only thing that makes sense. How can someone F up a golden franchise the way he did, it had to be on purpose. Even mark Hamill himself didn't agree with Rian at all.
kylo was so sick too with his cool mask and badass lightsaber its such a shame
Almost like JarJar Abram’s should’ve written all three movies. Or just actually do George’s scripts
JJ knows how to direct and write characters with complexity. I feel like the first movie was just him t-ing it up for the next two just to have Ryan come up with world breaking scenarios.
Yeah, George's script should have been it, they basically payed billions for it lol
Now that he says this about kylo’s arc it makes sense that he lost in the first movie because he was so unsure of himself and his power in the darkside they could have used that loss as a good motivator for him to get stronger and scarier in the second and third movies if they went that route i probably would have really enjoyed his character
He would of lost, won and then what both die
It is stated in the novelization and at the beginning of TLJ that the reason Kylo lost was because he was conflicted (and because he was heavily wounded ofc)
I didn't think much of him tell I watched his movies that wasn't Star War. Now I wish I enjoyed him more in Star Wars.
He knew what he was doing so sad it didn't go the way adam driver tought
The only thing stoping a retcon is the fact Carrie Fisher might not be in it
Best work around I can think of is to have mon mothma fill her role, say Leia was assassinated by a imperial loyalist or a knight of ren and mothma took that as a sign to start the resistance or something...
@@Northraider123could find a way to use the sequel trilogy footage of her and put it to good use. IMO only TLJ needs re doing.
I still remember watching that last scene scene where he was killing all those troopers in the corridor and it always upset me that they didn’t do that final action scene with him and a blaster along with his lightsaber. It’s also would’ve hammered home that before he became a Jedi he was Han’s son. It just woulda been sick to see him rocking the lightsaber in one hand and the blaster in the other. Even have him do the classic Han pose but with the lightsaber in his free hand.
One of a myriad of missed opportunities.
Disney ruined Star Wars. A defector storm trooper almost killed him the first time he ever held a lightsaber. What a woke joke.
“Somehow Ryan returned…”
It could have been saved if Rey sacrificed herself to save Kylo... then he turns to the good side and embraces the name Skywalker....
What? An ending that makes sense? Can't have that!
@@jeffwells641they had to go and ruin it as always FUCK DISNEY
that's a really good idea tbh and would've made a lot of sense!
No dude that’s be sexualising and overpowering women
No!! It would go against all the propaganda of supplanting women in the masculine role. Keep that to yourself!
Kylo going to the light would have been great if it had happened in the last jedi. It would have been interesting to have rey fall to the dark side as well and end with redeemed kylo vs dark rey.
That sounds even dumber than wgat they actually did.
@@mitchtherevolution congratulations
@@christianwilson5956Go write some lame fanfics.
Hek nah 💀💀
Never let this guy cook again😭😭
He essentially got Scooby-dooed by *gag* sorry I can’t say his name.
It’s like when director Schumacher took over the Batman films for Tim Burton!
“When did that change?” “When Rian decided that politics are more important than good storytelling”
You dont even know what your talking about. Ryan johnson continued the arc adam driver is talking about perfectly. By the end of the last jedi kylo is more committed to the dark side and more confident as he is no longer taking orders from snoke. If you bothered to watch the actual interview you would know adam mentions ryan took it in a new direction but was on the same track. Then it changed in episode 9.
If you'd listen to the actual interview than you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
@@j.kallai4348the force is female bigot!
@@JBoxy7no he isnt, hee literally is fighting along side rey at the end of it and kills the leader of the dark side too 😂
@@TonyTynebridge you just proved my point that you guys dont know what youre talking about because that is not the end of the movie you blind idiot. Kylo ren kills snoke so he can take over the first order and he wants rey to join him. For a brief moment their goals aligned so they teamed up. After that rey escapes to kreit and saves everybody while luke confronts kylo ren and there is 0 conflict within kylo ren in this scene. Luke doesnt even try and bring it out because he knows there is none, unlike with vader when he could sense the conflict. I cant believe I just had to explain the ending of the movie. Your never aloud to criticize this movie again if you dont even remember the movie.
Adam driver is such a great actor. You can see him start as a brat and slowly become stronger
Ends the short with ‘Ryan took it into a different direction’
I was thinking if we did not know that ren was ben solo until the end and him be a Jason Voorhees like character that would have been cool
If they kept that story arc and kept his mask on until the end of the third movie it could have been good.
He played it like a badass
This actor had the right idea for what the sequels should have been, with kylo being the villain at the last movie
I do feel bad for basically all the actors in those movies they clearly were pitched these story’s that would span the whole trilogy and that were good and interesting and they were carrying about just for every movie to do a completely 180 on the last like they did exactly what they were asked perfectly but got screwed over so badly by the company
How to admit that Disney F' UP without saying they F UP the whole franchise
This just reinforces how much Rian Johnson completely fucked the Star Wars sequels.
Or how big of idiots you people are. Adam mentions ryan changed it but kept it on the same track, then it really changed in episode 9. Either actually pay attention or stfu.
Glad he ruin JJ Abrams copy & paste Sequel trilogy
Personally he should have kept the helmet on throughout, he was badass walking off that ship
That han solo father son scene makes a lot more sense
The only character with a character arc in the entire trilogy.
Adam is a fantastic actor who did what he could with what he was given.
He is too good for Disney Star Wars… Star Wars is too good for Disney Star Wars 😂. They need to let it die as I have no faith they can bring it back.
Andor was fantastic! It’s a shame they can’t have that writing for the main movies… maybe we would have enough world building to know how the empire comes back and everyone is rebels again 😂
How the fuck does someone blow up 5 planets and end the republic that spans the whole galaxy? The sequels aren’t canon.
Disney took a decent character concept and shit liquid diarrhea all over it
Literally what we wanted to see, supreme Leader Ren would’ve been great
Agreed
That trilogy would’ve been so much better if they gave all three movies to JJ. Not saying it would be perfect, but it would’ve been better than what we got!
We would have been better with no new movies
No surprise to hear Ruin Johnson was the one to mess up his arc
If you'd listen to the actual interview than you'd know what he really said is that Rian took the story to a different direction but didn't change Kylo Ren at all. In fact it was all still in character for his arc and only the last movie changed him with the direction of JJ Abrams.
That would have been better than what they actually did. I would also like to have seen him go beyond the Light and the Dark as (I think) Ren mentions wanting to do at some point to the pure Force. So, he would still have helped Rey kill Palpatine- but he would have survived and then gone off on his own to pursue his new path. He’d have become more of a proper anti-hero, with his own personal power as his goal but still on the side of good up to a point, or perhaps even an anti-villain, doing very bad things for very good reasons. Pretty much anything would have been more interesting than what they did.
RUIN is the theme for Super Ego directors . . they did the same thing to James Bond.
He isn’t saying he quits, he is saying that they are doing stuff but not including him.
kylo show would be incredible
need an origin story
They had it going when force awakens came out. They dropped the ball after that
I love adam in snl he got more potential as a actor he'd be perfect in a comedy movie
That original arc sounds amazing
Adam Driver is amazing is all I know. What a voice 🤩
i really only remember the force awakens but i really liked kylo, driver did a wonderful job with him, sad he kinda got screwed in the end
See anyone saying that the sequels were JJ Abrams fault were sorely mistaken. Ryan Johnson messed everything up
Rian johnson, kathleen kennedy and that god damn JJ abrams destroyed the one thing in my life i felt i belonged to.
Kylo _should've_ gone full dark side in RoS. He not only stole Anakin's haircut but he also stole his redemption arch.
I liked where the story was going in The Last Jedi, he clearly was committing to the Dark Side, not necessarily as a Sith, just the Dark Side. I was pissed when I saw them give the helmet back in Rise of Skywalker.
That he turn good at the end after he died
It’s crazy that they gave Ryan the power to drive everything away from the pre established path.
“And this is why Kyle ten is dead”
I bet behind the scenes there are a great many people who worked on The Force Awakens, who understood the potential, that are secretly pissed off at how all that potential got wasted.
It would of been really interesting to see Adam’s take on the character form in the second and third one because it could of shown how ruthless he could’ve been after killing his own father
Disney messed it up by not having a single person in charge of shaping and holding onto a 3 movie story. Ryan Johnson ran 9/10 of a mile and dropped the baton. He had some good ideas, but left nothing for the third movie.
One of the saddest things about the sequel trilogies is that a lot of the actors are good. It’s not their fault that the writers and producers f#cked it all up.
Omg that's the "good soup👌" guy
It changed because we all FELL IN LOVE WITH HIM!!
I think they did that either way because no matter what if they wanted the same ending he would need to be vulnerable at some point