Great timing. I'm planning a dethatch, aerate and Overseeding in NW , Indiana labor day weekend. I looked at DBL dark and decided to go KBG because I don't want the brown stalks that come with Rye . I like a 3.5 -4" cut . No TTTF.. too stiff and crunchy to me. Thanks Allen for the video
Going to do a low cut, dethatch, mechanical aerate, and reseed. Picked up a 25# bag of Johnathan Green Black Beauty Ultra for reseeding. Received my 4 quart package from Yard Mastery, RGS, Greene Punch, Greene Pop, and Air 8, planning on reseeding some time mid next week. Only have a 2000sq ft. lawn up here in N.J., but really looking forward to seeing the results. Been watching here and other channels. Been hearing a lot of "good" recommendations about these Greene County Fertilizer products on many channels. So, going it give it a try, looking forward to this Halloween with positive result as well as next spring. FYI: picked up my products through Y.M., one, like the channel, two, you folks were running a special.
I noticed you mixed the Meso 4sc 1 tsp per 1,000 sq ft. But the directions call for it to be mixed .5 tsp per 1,000 sq ft. What is the reason you went higher?
awesome video, thank you!! i have the field king 2 gal battery powered sprayer, i was told all of these can be mixed in that and sprayed, is that not true? i was going to use that in a few weeks for my project but if it doesnt work i should find a new plan, thank you!
QUESTION: I am overfeeding my lawn. Tenacity instructions state not to water lawn and to keep "dry" for 6 hours after application. You are putting down seed 1st. Then spraying wet with fertilizer, then spraying with tenacity, then watering. On the one hand it doesn't make sense to put down the seed, then tenacity, peat mass, and wait 6 hours. He'll the wind alone could blow everything off lawn. I thought about putting the tenacity down first, waiting 6 hours, then putting down the grass seed. Should this work? But your not waiting 6 hours at all. I would also like to know why given the 6 hour instruction. Thanks
Great video as always. Two questions. First one… if I walk the lawn with a peat moss spreader right after the tenacity/mesotrione is sprayed, is that going to do anything negatively to the spray? I was originally told not to walk on it because I’d be ruining what I sprayed. Thoughts? Two… what is the best way to fix uneven ruts in my lawn? Topsoil before seeding? And top with peat moss? A tree company drove their equipment on my lawn in the spring and rutted up parts of my lawn.
you can walk over it to spread the peat moss - just give it 30 minutes to dry first, you won't hurt anything that way. For the leveling of the ruts, you want to use sand to level. Then when it's leveled out put seed on top and use your covering.
Im in N KY, was going to do this this week since I had alot of traffic on my lawn over Halloween. I bought the Scotts Thick'r Turf grower to spread. I did a mow Nov 1st down to 3.5 inch. You mentioned 1 notch lower, so 3 in, or should i go lower? TIA hopefully you're still reading comments/.
@@yardmastery appreciate the write back. Overnight temps hitting freezing or near it, are my efforts pointless at this point? (water every 1-2 days for 20 days)
Good stuff Allyn! If I'm skipping the overseed this year but still want to aerate, should I keep my usual height or drop the deck a notch or two before doing so?
I live in Hobart In a new construction lawn is clay soil. I plan to overseed around Sept 10 with a mix of 30%kbg, 30%creeping red fescue and 40%perennial ryegrass. I will be using air8, hydretain, lesco starter fert 18-24-12 and maybe meso since I don’t know if it’s safe for red fescue at seeding. Would like to know if I am too late to overseed and if I should use meso or just wait on the pre emergent?
Thanks !!!!j you are incredibly helpful and inspirational. j purchased the seeding pack solutions. I overseeded 2 days ago and waiting on putting down "green pop". Why put down green pop at this time since it will feed existing grass and existing grass will outcompete the new grass? The new grass may not use these nutrients for another 2 weeks? please advise how long the green pop nutrients stay in the ground for. thank you.
The grass seed will germinate and start pushing roots within just a few days and the nutrients will still be there. However, if you want to wait and apply 2 weeks after seeding, you can do that too. It will work out just fine either way.
I live on southside of Chicago. I have several questions. I see you mowed the lawn first. Do you mulch or bag? Do you need to dethatch at all or just use Air8? I'm going to follow what you present in the video and see how it turns out. Thank you for your videos. They are helpful.
you can mulch the clippings, no need to bag and as far as de-thatching, that is only needed if you have a thatch problem where the lawn is spongy and you can't see the soil at all. If that is not the case, then no de-thatching needed.
Thank You for this video ❤ I'm aspirant dominator 😅 hopefully I'll do well. I got the seeding support pack from yardmastery, do I need Humic and sea k as well?
I was using a floodjet tip. Here is everything you need to know about them thelawncarenut.com/blogs/news/how-teejet-tips-make-spraying-lawn-products-better
Hi! Thank you for this. New homeowner and never done anything lawn related in my life! The kits make it so simple! If I mow low then use a manual or electric dethatcher, do I still need to aerate(use liquid aerated)? That’s the part that’s confusing me. I live in Maryland so I bought a Delmarva blend( I noticed you said not to use the generic tenacity on certain types, I guess the Delmarva is okay)? Thank you again n I look forward to your reply!!!
you do not need to mechanically aerate if you are mowing down low and de-thatching. All good! But you can and should use the liquid aeration because it will help to loosen the soil so the seed can root in better.
I overseeded with KBG this year, and I haven’t been able to mow for 2 weeks so far because of how long it takes to germinate. I’m worried my old grass is going to outgrow the new seedlings too quickly. I was just tired of the fine fescue in my yard that keeps dying in direct sunlight. And my dog rips up the yard a lot so I wanted a grass that repairs itself.
@@Piccolo_Re you put down growth regulator like primo maxx or any other kind? That’s what I do before seeding and it has helped a lot for the new seed to establish really well.
You recommend air 8 and d thatch products all season long or just certain months. I believe i hsve for some reason bent grass and i onky use Jonathan green black beauty or their solor green grass seed. Hope you can help and guide me. Thanks
I plan to be using a bio stim pack, green punch, d thatch. However after watching this I also am going to overseed my SC centipede with perennial rye. Do I need to use the starter fert or am I okay with the green punch and green effect I ordered
Just getting overseed prep started here in northern NJ (a couple weeks later than I wanted). Is there a particular reason you put the seed down first before applying the Hydretain, RGS, Air8, etc? I plan on putting the seed down last since I'm concerned about moving it around too much by dragging the hose around while spraying the Hydretain or having a ton of seed stuck to my shoes as I spray everything else.
Can you seed a lawn from sod? I have common Bermuda that is this in some areas. I thought I heard you say in another video that you should only seed a yard that was grown from seeds, not sod. Can you clarify? Thanks
Thank you. I follow your app calendar reminder so my question is how come app suggested using Air, RGS and Humic to be sprayed on Sep 1 then seeding at the end of Sep but you did all together? Thanks again my yard looks great
Can any of you guys recommend a spreader for me. Ive got about 2000 sq in front and 3500 in back. Its more than I want to spread with my handheld as it breaks my left wrist and its not enough for a large capacity one. Thanks!
The one Allyn uses in this video will be available in about 3 weeks. It's a great spreader for the money but not the cheapest one out there either. If you want something right away, then the Echo RB60 that is available at your local Echo dealer is also a very good piece of equipment. czcams.com/video/vCZYLjkQ668/video.html
its completely different - we don't seed St Augustine grass. It grows by rhizome and stolon. Here is some really good training that will teach you all the basics: yardcarebootcamp.com
It depends on how often mow the lawn, if is too long resulting in long clips better mow, but if your clips are tiny you can perfectly leave it on the lawn.
It also really depends on how your soil is. The one step you should do before any of this is to do a soil test and get the results back. If you are more than established with phosphorus in your lawn, there really isn’t a need for equal n-p-k. Keeping your soil as balanced as possible will yield a lot better results in a stronger lawn
Hey Allyn, great video. What if I’ve just moved into a house over the summer that’s got a decent amount of weeds in the lawn? Am I tackling the weeds (and with what) before doing the steps in this video?
if you want to spray weeds 2 weeks before you perform all the seeding and stuff, that is fine. Otherwise I would not be concerned about them too much. Focus on the seed growing and the existing grass.
I'm up here by the dunes in Chesterton as well! I was thinking about doing some leveling this fall but wasn't sure when to do that in coordination with mechanical aeration and over seeding, whatchya think man? Thanks
Great video! I'll be overseeding and arerating in a few weeks. Was wondering the lawn looking rough after heavy rain and hot and humid temps. Do you think putting fungicide now would help it ? or it's not worth it ?
I plan on overseeding this fall (tall fescue in san diego) after aeration. 800 sq. ft. lawn, plus bought scotts turf builder triple action fertilizer for new seeding with mesotrione included .( I bought big bag for 4000 sq. ft. by mistake ) How can I not waste the extra amount since I will have extra leftover and not interfere with new germination. I messed up already. please help. thank you.
No prodiamine 65 is a true pre emergent and will not allow the grass to come up. Misoteione is safe to use on seed, won’t effect it coming up. It might bleach the new grass but that will grow out of it. I wouldn’t use it on baby grass though.
Oh thank you for that info. Since my back yard has so many weeds, I have applied prodiamine 65WG in summer but it seems does not work well. Do I need to use another weed killer before overseeding my lawn? Thanks
I've tried soaking seed (with the 12 hr water changes) and it never has germinated any faster than the fresh seed planted right next to it. It's like it needs easier access to oxygen.
@@vashon100i seeded fine fescue in my front in the spring ( non pre germ) 12 days to germinate. I seeded a 85/15 KBG +Rye blend in my back in august ( pre germ ) and it germinated in 4 days.
Lawn care beginner I think is best name maybe that's my issue I've grown out of it that's my own deal the comment isn't meant to be a negative one honestly keep up the good work I know it's constant
This was a great one! Felt like an old school Lawn Car Nut video!!!
Great timing.
I'm planning a dethatch, aerate and Overseeding in NW , Indiana labor day weekend.
I looked at DBL dark and decided to go KBG because I don't want the brown stalks that come with Rye .
I like a 3.5 -4" cut . No TTTF.. too stiff and crunchy to me.
Thanks Allen for the video
Love the info and always entertaining - love the comment "always keep it lubricated, she will appreciate it" 😂😂
Great video. Thank you. Love my tenacity and blindside!
Going to do a low cut, dethatch, mechanical aerate, and reseed. Picked up a 25# bag of Johnathan Green Black Beauty Ultra for reseeding. Received my 4 quart package from Yard Mastery, RGS, Greene Punch, Greene Pop, and Air 8, planning on reseeding some time mid next week. Only have a 2000sq ft. lawn up here in N.J., but really looking forward to seeing the results. Been watching here and other channels. Been hearing a lot of "good" recommendations about these Greene County Fertilizer products on many channels. So, going it give it a try, looking forward to this Halloween with positive result as well as next spring. FYI: picked up my products through Y.M., one, like the channel, two, you folks were running a special.
Can you use air 8 and dethach product all season long?
Thanks. Plan to put down flagship. It will be 2 weeks this Saturday. Will cut next week.
I noticed you mixed the Meso 4sc 1 tsp per 1,000 sq ft. But the directions call for it to be mixed .5 tsp per 1,000 sq ft. What is the reason you went higher?
I noticed this too
Next time you come to NWI, let me know. It would be awesome to come out and watch or lend a hand. I have a peat moss spreader!! Lol
she always appreciates that
This video is very detailed and the app is pretty good. I am going to order a bundle package that comes with all listed in the video.
Excellent video! Thank you so much, from a noob!
Thank you!! Hope you have fun throwing down!
Righty tighty
Lefty loosey
That was my nickname in college.
awesome video, thank you!! i have the field king 2 gal battery powered sprayer, i was told all of these can be mixed in that and sprayed, is that not true? i was going to use that in a few weeks for my project but if it doesnt work i should find a new plan, thank you!
Northwest Indiana? I'm in Cedar Lake and a self proclaimed novice lawn care enthusiast. lol
QUESTION: I am overfeeding my lawn.
Tenacity instructions state not to water lawn and to keep "dry" for 6 hours after application.
You are putting down seed 1st. Then spraying wet with fertilizer, then spraying with tenacity, then watering.
On the one hand it doesn't make sense to put down the seed, then tenacity, peat mass, and wait 6 hours. He'll the wind alone could blow everything off lawn.
I thought about putting the tenacity down first, waiting 6 hours, then putting down the grass seed. Should this work?
But your not waiting 6 hours at all. I would also like to know why given the 6 hour instruction. Thanks
Great video as always. Two questions.
First one… if I walk the lawn with a peat moss spreader right after the tenacity/mesotrione is sprayed, is that going to do anything negatively to the spray? I was originally told not to walk on it because I’d be ruining what I sprayed. Thoughts?
Two… what is the best way to fix uneven ruts in my lawn? Topsoil before seeding? And top with peat moss? A tree company drove their equipment on my lawn in the spring and rutted up parts of my lawn.
you can walk over it to spread the peat moss - just give it 30 minutes to dry first, you won't hurt anything that way. For the leveling of the ruts, you want to use sand to level. Then when it's leveled out put seed on top and use your covering.
@@yardmastery perfect. Thank you for the quick reply. Will be hitting the app later today to place my order!
Why didn't you use a compost spreader for the peat moss?
They have moss spreaders
Im in N KY, was going to do this this week since I had alot of traffic on my lawn over Halloween. I bought the Scotts Thick'r Turf grower to spread. I did a mow Nov 1st down to 3.5 inch. You mentioned 1 notch lower, so 3 in, or should i go lower? TIA hopefully you're still reading comments/.
1 notch lower is all you need to go.
@@yardmastery appreciate the write back. Overnight temps hitting freezing or near it, are my efforts pointless at this point? (water every 1-2 days for 20 days)
It's been over two months without rain here in Crowley Texas and 100-115 degrees everyday here. Should I use any fert on my Bermuda
if it's dormant then no, just wait until things cool off and it starts growing again, then hit it with some potassium.
I was going to ask the same thing! It's still summer extended in Houston.
Good stuff Allyn! If I'm skipping the overseed this year but still want to aerate, should I keep my usual height or drop the deck a notch or two before doing so?
if you are not seeding then just keep mowing like normal, no need to change anything, all good.
I live in Hobart In a new construction lawn is clay soil. I plan to overseed around Sept 10 with a mix of 30%kbg, 30%creeping red fescue and 40%perennial ryegrass. I will be using air8, hydretain, lesco starter fert 18-24-12 and maybe meso since I don’t know if it’s safe for red fescue at seeding. Would like to know if I am too late to overseed and if I should use meso or just wait on the pre emergent?
Thanks again brother always a great show
Great video Allyn as always, I’m sure this grass will take hold but is the aeration process( mechanical) better seed to soil contact?
yes mech aeration does create a better seed bed so if you can get the machine then go for it!
Thanks !!!!j you are incredibly helpful and inspirational. j purchased the seeding pack solutions. I overseeded 2 days ago and waiting on putting down "green pop". Why put down green pop at this time since it will feed existing grass and existing grass will outcompete the new grass? The new grass may not use these nutrients for another 2 weeks? please advise how long the green pop nutrients stay in the ground for. thank you.
The grass seed will germinate and start pushing roots within just a few days and the nutrients will still be there. However, if you want to wait and apply 2 weeks after seeding, you can do that too. It will work out just fine either way.
I live on southside of Chicago. I have several questions. I see you mowed the lawn first. Do you mulch or bag? Do you need to dethatch at all or just use Air8? I'm going to follow what you present in the video and see how it turns out. Thank you for your videos. They are helpful.
you can mulch the clippings, no need to bag and as far as de-thatching, that is only needed if you have a thatch problem where the lawn is spongy and you can't see the soil at all. If that is not the case, then no de-thatching needed.
I’m over seeding fescue. Lawn looks good. Just some bare spots. How low can I mow the lawn for overseed?
Thank You for this video ❤
I'm aspirant dominator 😅 hopefully I'll do well. I got the seeding support pack from yardmastery, do I need Humic and sea k as well?
the seed support pack has RGS inside and that has the same elements as Humic12 and SeaK so you are good to go!
@@yardmastery You da man ❣️💯
I thought it is recommended to wait at least two weeks from overseeding before putting fertilizer down?
Hi Allyn, May I know what spray nozzle you are currently using in the video? Thx and keep up the good work on providing us DIY with knowledge.
I was using a floodjet tip. Here is everything you need to know about them thelawncarenut.com/blogs/news/how-teejet-tips-make-spraying-lawn-products-better
Hi! Thank you for this. New homeowner and never done anything lawn related in my life! The kits make it so simple!
If I mow low then use a manual or electric dethatcher, do I still need to aerate(use liquid aerated)? That’s the part that’s confusing me.
I live in Maryland so I bought a Delmarva blend( I noticed you said not to use the generic tenacity on certain types, I guess the Delmarva is okay)? Thank you again n I look forward to your reply!!!
you do not need to mechanically aerate if you are mowing down low and de-thatching. All good! But you can and should use the liquid aeration because it will help to loosen the soil so the seed can root in better.
When using yard mastery pre emergent in March or April. Should you still apply tenacity in late March early April due to having spots of bentgrass?
yes you can do that, use the Tenacity to kill the bentgrass early in spring and stay on top of it.
I overseeded with KBG this year, and I haven’t been able to mow for 2 weeks so far because of how long it takes to germinate. I’m worried my old grass is going to outgrow the new seedlings too quickly. I was just tired of the fine fescue in my yard that keeps dying in direct sunlight. And my dog rips up the yard a lot so I wanted a grass that repairs itself.
I mow then spray growth regulator a few days before I put seed down. Allows the new grass to not be bullied by the old grass.
you can mow, it won't hurt anything. Just don't dance on the lawn, get in and mow and get off it, all good!
@@fabes326 I did; I scalped the old grass but it just grew back fast after watering several times a day in addition to the starter fert.
@@Piccolo_Re you put down growth regulator like primo maxx or any other kind? That’s what I do before seeding and it has helped a lot for the new seed to establish really well.
You recommend air 8 and d thatch products all season long or just certain months. I believe i hsve for some reason bent grass and i onky use Jonathan green black beauty or their solor green grass seed. Hope you can help and guide me. Thanks
Hi Alan good day .. I’m up north jersey could I still add this package to my lawn ?
you are right at the end of the ideal time to seed but still have time, get it done soon though
I plan to be using a bio stim pack, green punch, d thatch. However after watching this I also am going to overseed my SC centipede with perennial rye. Do I need to use the starter fert or am I okay with the green punch and green effect I ordered
Just getting overseed prep started here in northern NJ (a couple weeks later than I wanted).
Is there a particular reason you put the seed down first before applying the Hydretain, RGS, Air8, etc?
I plan on putting the seed down last since I'm concerned about moving it around too much by dragging the hose around while spraying the Hydretain or having a ton of seed stuck to my shoes as I spray everything else.
Can you seed a lawn from sod? I have common Bermuda that is this in some areas. I thought I heard you say in another video that you should only seed a yard that was grown from seeds, not sod. Can you clarify? Thanks
Thank you. I follow your app calendar reminder so my question is how come app suggested using Air, RGS and Humic to be sprayed on Sep 1 then seeding at the end of Sep but you did all together? Thanks again my yard looks great
you can wait and do them all on the same day if that makes it easier.
Can any of you guys recommend a spreader for me. Ive got about 2000 sq in front and 3500 in back. Its more than I want to spread with my handheld as it breaks my left wrist and its not enough for a large capacity one. Thanks!
The one Allyn uses in this video will be available in about 3 weeks. It's a great spreader for the money but not the cheapest one out there either. If you want something right away, then the Echo RB60 that is available at your local Echo dealer is also a very good piece of equipment. czcams.com/video/vCZYLjkQ668/video.html
0:50 Is the truck included? Operators are standing by.
Can you still put down tenacity a day or two after over seeding
it has to go down before germination so I would not wait any longer than 48 hours
Can you tell me the if/how the process differs for st Augustine?
its completely different - we don't seed St Augustine grass. It grows by rhizome and stolon. Here is some really good training that will teach you all the basics: yardcarebootcamp.com
When mowing should you mulch the clippings or bag them? I know you bag them during over seeding but what about other times of year? Thanks
It depends on how often mow the lawn, if is too long resulting in long clips better mow, but if your clips are tiny you can perfectly leave it on the lawn.
Why is the starter fert 12-12-12 and not a ratio with more P like other traditional starter fertilizers?
I like things to be equal when getting started.
It also really depends on how your soil is. The one step you should do before any of this is to do a soil test and get the results back. If you are more than established with phosphorus in your lawn, there really isn’t a need for equal n-p-k. Keeping your soil as balanced as possible will yield a lot better results in a stronger lawn
Hey Allyn, great video. What if I’ve just moved into a house over the summer that’s got a decent amount of weeds in the lawn? Am I tackling the weeds (and with what) before doing the steps in this video?
if you want to spray weeds 2 weeks before you perform all the seeding and stuff, that is fine. Otherwise I would not be concerned about them too much. Focus on the seed growing and the existing grass.
I'm up here by the dunes in Chesterton as well! I was thinking about doing some leveling this fall but wasn't sure when to do that in coordination with mechanical aeration and over seeding, whatchya think man? Thanks
you guys have pretty sandy soil don't you? or do you have clay? if you have sandy soil, no need for mechanical aeration.
Great video! I'll be overseeding and arerating in a few weeks. Was wondering the lawn looking rough after heavy rain and hot and humid temps. Do you think putting fungicide now would help it ? or it's not worth it ?
It's a little late for fungicides - just need to wait until the weather gets a little more mild and the lawn will bounce back just fine
@@yardmastery Thanks for the info! keep up the good work!
How well does air-8 work on packed clay?
Rye and bluegrass? By next Aug that will be browner than a 2 year olds diaper.
Can you apply the meso after the seed germinates if you did not at seed down time?
No. Do not apply Meso after germination.
@@richardgleason5953
Thanks!!
@@dsull0127 once the new grass has been mowed 2 times minimum then you can use MESO as a post-emergent to kill existing weeds.
Would it be a no no to throw down some flagship a week or two before aerating and overseeding?
that would be a lot of nitrogen, probably more than you need if you are also throwing down Starter Fert.
I plan on overseeding this fall (tall fescue in san diego) after aeration. 800 sq. ft. lawn, plus bought scotts turf builder triple action fertilizer for new seeding with mesotrione included .( I bought big bag for 4000 sq. ft. by mistake ) How can I not waste the extra amount since I will have extra leftover and not interfere with new germination. I messed up already. please help. thank you.
you can use the leftover sometime next season once the new lawn is established. The mesotrione will not harm an established lawn.
Do you post to Australia 🇦🇺 lol
Any benefit to throwin' down some Milorganite?
ALWAYS
Is the Meso safe on St Augustine or Bermuda?
no its just for cool season lawns
Can I use prodiamine 65 WG instead of misotrione?
No prodiamine 65 is a true pre emergent and will not allow the grass to come up. Misoteione is safe to use on seed, won’t effect it coming up. It might bleach the new grass but that will grow out of it. I wouldn’t use it on baby grass though.
Oh thank you for that info. Since my back yard has so many weeds, I have applied prodiamine 65WG in summer but it seems does not work well. Do I need to use another weed killer before overseeding my lawn? Thanks
Where's Jake?
No pre germination ? Amateur hour ?
pre-germination is a problem Allyn had when he was younger, but has grown out of as he aged. 😂
I've tried soaking seed (with the 12 hr water changes) and it never has germinated any faster than the fresh seed planted right next to it. It's like it needs easier access to oxygen.
@@vashon100i seeded fine fescue in my front in the spring ( non pre germ) 12 days to germinate. I seeded a 85/15 KBG +Rye blend in my back in august ( pre germ ) and it germinated in 4 days.
@@matthogg2252 Did you use a process similar to what I described or different method?
My God. All these chemicals!!
Passions gone glad youve been successful but take a page out of GCIs book it's a passion project not a 100% income business situation through CZcams
Lawn care beginner I think is best name maybe that's my issue I've grown out of it that's my own deal the comment isn't meant to be a negative one honestly keep up the good work I know it's constant
this is my Yard Mastery channel - it's meant for helping our customers and this video does that very well. Thanks for your comment!
@@trentcardwell8620 What a stupid comment to make. Allyn keep up the good work brother.
@@trentcardwell8620 Use punctuation, then we might be able to figure out that rambling.
Is it ok to use Tenacity if sodding new lawn?
I would not use it for that. It's only labeled for seeding applications.