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Whenever I think of technology becoming obsolete, I just think of these two things. One, people have no issues paying $1000 plus for a phone that they know full well will be replaced in 2-3 years and never used again and two, even if something better comes out in 5 years, the Tonemaster still sounds incredible so who cares? Look at the gear still being used from 30-40 years ago. There will always be something “better”.
exactly.
Everyone is saying it sounds pretty much the same as the tube version. So what the next version is going to sound even more exactly the same?
I think it's less about improving on the sound vs adding features. For example, add in a headphone output and effects loop. Keep the look on the front though as well as the sound.
Man has a point! I agree. 😉 I love mine so far.
TIP: you can look up online for an update for the amp to make the reverb less spacey. this way I have it on 4 instead of a 2. it makes it easier to dail in.
I finally want to rant away on these Tonemasters. I got my TMDR when they first came out, and I freaking love it to this day. Especially the power attenuator. For family life at home, its such a great feature to have. That, the light weight, and the tones I got out of it at the music store was all it took to lure me in. A few things that I've thought after hearing all sides of the tube vs digital argument:
Tubes amps I've owned and still own are: A legit vintage 65 Fender Tremolux, a mid 70's silverface Twin (that I got for $50!!), a Princeton Reverb reissue (my all time fav), Marshall JCM 800 half stack, Mesa Boogie Nomad 45, a cool and weird 70's SG Systems tube amp that looks like its from Star Trek, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, a Fender Blues Jr III and a Peavy Classic 30.
The only tube amp that I haven't had to have work done on yet is the Princeton reissue but its still pretty new. I've put God knows how much money in all of those tube amps, and the Mesa literally cracked a tube socket on the 2nd gig I played with it. Between tubes and caps, all my tube amps have cost money to keep running. And they are heavy as fk.
Solid State amps I own are: Peavy Bandit 112 from the 80s, Line 6 Flextone original version from the late 90's, and now the Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb.
The only amps besides the Princeton RI that I have never had to work on are the Bandit, the Line 6 Flextone and the Tonemaster so far. The Flextone was the first digital modeling combo pretty much ever. My keyboard player gigged with it 3-5 night per week with his Rhodes piano for 8 years straight, and it was also used as an "everybody can use" stage amp for an open mic that I hosted for 12 years. It was never babied yet it still works to this day, and so does the footswitch. Never an issue with this digital pos that should be in the scrap heap by now.], right? Pffft. Whatever.
What about tone? I dont know, but give Jack Pearson a listen when he's playing his $200 Squire guitar on stage and tell me how bad it sucks. The best guitar player I ever heard in my area used to play a Strat through a Peavy Bandit with a few pedals and his tone was incredible. But so was his touch and technique. The dude could flat out play. He had his sound and found it with a cheapo solid state amp. I guess my point is, yes the gear does matter, but not quite as much as the player using it. You are you. No matter what gear you have at your disposal, if you spend the time practicing your technique and touch, and spend time tweaking your gear, you will indeed find your sound, and your sound is your own. The audience doesnt care. We dont make our money playing for gear snobs, we make our money playing for folks who love to listen to music and dance. The gear is just a tool. Most everything that makes us really sound good comes from within. Just my $.02.....
I agree with your closing statement but i feel like 90 percent of that post was you just itching yo boast about your amp collection. Nice job you did good champ
Exactly... Internet has deviated many people to play less and waste thousands of hours watching gear, analyzing everything, saying this is crap, this is fabulous, the latter often being crazy expensive gear they've just purchased and trying to justify it.
Don't get me wrong, internet is great, but... try honestly yourself, shouldn't I be better playing? Instead of giving food to my GAS syndrome?
I have noticed a few facts :
I have seen numerous awesome musicians with less than expensive gear.. Or pros that have been playing the same guitar for the last twenty years, and just don' t think about changing if it works
And.. let's face it very few pro players spend the time some spend on gear forums...
So if you have a Tonemaster and happy with it, stop thinking when it will break down, and in a way going back to GASland to buy another "better" piece of gear
And all this doesn't only apply for musical instruments.. Internet has created GAS syndrome for everthing and everyone.. Just crazy if you think about it
Somebody online brought up an interesting point regarding end of its “lifespan”. These could quite possibly be converted to hand wired tube amps or for essentially no cost become decent extension cabs for a head. So all is not necessarily lost if/when they should stop working.
I never understood why people thought the Tone Masters would break. Fender has been making solid state amps for decades. They perform like tanks.
You can use your headphones with the Tonemaster by using an XLR to 1/8” female adapter. Set your tone on the front and use the output level on the back for your overall level. Doing that makes the DR TM the best headphone amp I’ve ever used. I’m hoping next year they come out with Tweed Bassman and Deluxe Tonemasters.
Is this true? Don’t you need to an audio interface to connect the headphones? Or can you just connect the headphones to the line out? That doesn’t sound right…
@@abelae Yes, it does work. Use the adapter to connect to the line-out. I do it all the time.
@@sjperry54 which adapter are you referring to? I would love to try this out. I have a pair of Sony mdr 7506
I have done that and also used a mini plug to 1/4 inch adapter into the normal channel to play along with recorded music.
@@sjperry54 Ditto. It works fine. Amazon sell a cable with the XLR plug on one end and the headphone socket on the other end. Well, they do in the uk so I guess they do elsewhere.
Time for Tone Master Tweed! I'd love a virtual 5E3 and a Bassman. Next step- mix 'n match firmware, so you could turn the Normal channel of the TM Deluxe into into a 5E3. Add an A/B switch, and you'd have a great two-channel Tweed/Blackface amp...
I get what you’re saying but I’d rather they keep them as individual amps and not able to switch between amp types, because then you just have a multi-modeler and there are already LOTS of those. One of the things I love about the tone masters is that they aren’t multi modelers.
Dude ... that would be glorious
I got the tone master when it came out and here's my takeaway:
Ive gigged with it several times and while I love the weight, attenuation, and DI, I wasn't a huge fan of its natural overdrive. Compared to even a RI, it lacks the warmth, punchiness, and articulation. Maybe it's just my ears. But if that matters to you that's a huge deal. You could just supplement that by using an OD pedal which I do most times but the breakup is still not the same. Also I don't feel like the spring reverb is very natural. Most spring reverbs ive used are inconsistent and have this spongy sound, which is why I love them. Theyre usually very responsive to your playing and can sound strange and wonky sometimes, and I love that. The tone master however is very consistent and digital. Sounds too much like short delay, if that makes sense. And lastly it's not enough wattage for me. I know that's not the deluxes fault but when I asked ppl about this amp they said it'd be enough for a loud band. Well maybe my bands have been louder cuz it's not enough. I usually use a clean tone and add dirt from my pedals but anything past 3.5-4, you're adding some hair. At home it's great and more than enough but with a loud band you may be struggling. Good thing it has the DI! Maybe I need a twin instead. But it won't be another tone master until the overdrive and reverb are somewhat improved .
and yes I did the initial firmware update for the bright cap and reverb as soon as I got it. It made pedals easier to take especially ODs and gave the reverb knob more range.
My experience: mine broke after one year... It was still on warranty so I could get a new one from my dealer, but decided to change for a Princeton Reverb Reissue . I made this desition, because what would have happend if it was out of warranty ??? Who would repair it ? A computer store ? Any amp technician will be able to repair my Princeton in the future. Cheers 😊
This is literally the first negative comment I've been able to find after scouring the internet for days. Literally days...
Did your problem happen after a gig? A trip? Tip-over?
@@MKlukowski I had this in the blonde finish and I also had to send it back due to the amp failing. High noise floor which these are not supposed to have and channel 1 just plain crapped out on me. I have heard that several of these fail to update if you choose to upgrade the firm ware but since I had the blonde I didn’t bother with that function. I wanted to love it but I got a lemon unfortunately.
Yeah, I have plenty of great vintage tube amps, would be like throwing money away for less to go this route. They lasted this long without too much repairs mostly so why wouldn’t they continue for years past the useable life of the digital amps while keeping value or increasing…
@@MKlukowski Nothing… just failed. Go get a valve princeton.
I bought a simple XLR to 1/8 headphone and with Apple wired earbuds it's been the perfect late night practice amp (other model headphones will vary). I don't use a headphone amp or any kind of interface, literally just direct out, and select a cab sim and you use the line balance control as a master volume for gain. It's actually amazing and it takes all of my pedals and even fuzz impressively through headphones and does it well. This alone made the value of the amp even greater for what I was looking for. Also it's likely been said but update to the latest firmware to remove the virtual bright cap, and the reverb has a better taper.
Thanks for the tip Joe, I’m going to try that!
Is this true? Don’t you need to an audio interface to connect the headphones? Or can you just connect the headphones to the line out? That doesn’t sound right…
@@abelae You need an XLR to 1/8 adapter to plug your headphones into. It works great with smaller earbuds, or possibly powered headphones. I'm sure an interface would add additional fidelity and output but for bedroom jamming this $10 solution works great for me.
@@Joe_Andrus id like to see a video of this working. All I’ve read online was that it would destroy headphones since line level is too powerful for headphones.
@@abelae For $10 just give it a try, I didn't come up with this I was also reading online. The amp has it's own line level dial, I mean I guess you could potentially overpower some headphones if you max the setting, but considering I've been doing this with success for months now states everything is just fine. Or if you're concerned get an interface and problem solved.
I have the blonde tone master deluxe reverb and I love it. I just play at home, never gig, and the attenuator is absolutely required in my small space. To me, it was never about whether this would replace tube amps, it was about whether the laptop brain inside would crap out and then is it even worth fixing? It is still too early to know for sure, but in the meantime I have been playing the heck out of mine, and I love it.
Best amp on the market . I turn the bass and treble all the way down and it pushes the mids forward. Tone bliss
Technology does not age well when talking about phones or televisions. Comparing a 2019 TV or phone to their 54 year old ancestors would be ridiculous. But the Tone Master series was designed to mimic amps made long ago with improvement you have mentioned. In fact the reissues aren't of the same quality as those built in the 60s. Thanks for the update. I enjoyed it. And I have been playing the Deluxe Tone Master out gigging for 2 years.
Try out a Roland Jazz Chorus 40 on the channel if you are able! Its such a killer amp to have as a versatile piece! You can use it for keyboards too. I really like it. It is the clearest amp I have ever played, and it is different enough to set it apart from a tube amp, instead of replicating it.
I've had the Tonemaster Twin for a while now. I'm really pleased with it, but it hasn't made me sell my Deluxe RI or Princeton.
Yeah, same here. I love the Twin (way better than the TM deluxe) but I can't say it would ever replace my DRRI for tone. Tubes really do sound so much better in their sweet spot.
I’m in the same exact boat. I like my TM Twin…but my 65 RI’s aren’t going anywhere.
Hay tube amps fail also. Enjoy the tone master, if it dies Ill get another. Hay my computer is 15 years old and still works fine.
I’ve got like… 9 tube amps? ( I’ll never ever get rid of em) but I have a Tonemaster Deluxe and a Twin. I love them both. Especially the Deluxe because I’ve had it longer. One thing I’ll say is … this idea that tube amps are too heavy…. Yeah they are. No I don’t care. Either way I’m keeping the Tonemasters but I am looking to buy a real Deluxe Reverb. The 68.
I have 2 of these 1 X 12" tonemasters and love em. I still have my tube amps but never seem to need em anymore.
"Reverb is too reverb-y." Fender offers software updates to tweak the amp. One update tames the reverb a bit as well as "cuts the bright cap" so the amp will take pedals better. Takes a couple minutes, amp sounds even better.
I'm a little skeptical of plugging it into the internet... That is the most boomer sentence I have ever said.
@@JeremySheppard yeah the TM steals all ur good licks and holds them so you never play them again
Silent playing is easy, XLR out to mini stereo jack cable and plug into your headphones and you are done. You do not need to re-amp, just use the level control as volume control to headphones.
The Neo Creambacks are such a game changer.
Best thing about the Tone Master Super are the speakers. Love my Champion 100…love to hear what you think of that line.
Do the firmware update, tames the reverb and kills the bright cap, amp sounds even better and takes OD pedals like a champ.
I came here to say the same thing. I have the twin, and the firmware update makes that reverb much better. So, in summary - two Franks agree -update that firmware.
@@jfturner67 two Franks can’t be wrong 😀
That's my one problem I have a black cat od fuzz and to me it does not sound good when I use it on this Amp
I'm so tired of tube amp problems I may need to try an electronic amp again.
Make that 3 Franks.
My guess is that these will have the same value development as the Vox Valvetronix series.
It’s a piece of equipment with components on a pcb. It’s somewhat like taking a desktop computer with you on the road. It will need to be handled more carefully.
Not if, but when it breaks outside of warranty - who will fix it and at what cost?
The price of new deluxe reverb went up a lot as well. Which is why they probably went up in the used market.
That's a really good point.
Sorry for the late comment, but I only just stumbled upon this video - very, very nice. Your comment about the reverb might have been taken seriously by Fender, because apparently they fixed the issue with the blonde version. From what I hear, you can update the firmware for your blackface version as well.
I'm researching amps like this now, because, as you said, tube amps can be finicky and hard to use at home - even my beloved Allen Chihuahua has to be attenuated significantly to be enjoyed in my condo. One comparison I would love to see is the blonde TMDR vs the Quilter Aviator. I understand it's somewhat of an apples vs oranges comparison, but if you only want to buy one of the two, it's a nice comparison to make.
Thanks for the wonderful video!
I bought a tone master and it broke straight away, I took it back and bought a valve deluxe reverb was I too hasty , should I have just exchanged my broken tone master for a new one did I just have a bad amp?
That the best tone I've heard from the Tonemaster on youTube!! It sounds like your speaker is very nicely broken in and has a very nice warm smooth sound. Would love Fender to come out with a Tonemaster 5e3 :))
The TM Fender Twin is incredible. I haven’t had the opportunity to play a TM Deluxe but I’m seeing tons of positive things coming from CZcamsrs and Sweetwater reviews. I might have to try to hunt one down.
Just stay with the Twin. It's better than the TM deluxe in basically every way except for size and weight, but really it's not that big a difference. The TM Twin is still fairly light and easy to carry
I'm on the fence about this amp and sell my Blues junior tube amp, but I am worried the tonemaster will break after a few years and be landfill. I dare anyone to convince me I'm wrong!
I've used mine nearly every day for 3 years without a single hiccup.
I own two TMDR’s! I absolutely LOVE them. They weigh 23 pounds each. They’re never going to sound better. The only way to improve them is to have them weigh less than 20 pounds ‼️🔥😎🎸
I think the stigma ppl have against these comes from solid state amps which were supposed to replace tubes and failed in the 70’s. But w 80-90 year old tech sooner or later smthg was always going to come along which could perform as good. As time goes on digital will also only improve while it will be more expensive to repair and replace tube amps. Tube manufacturers are slowly declining and theres scarcity bc of that which is driving up the costs of owning a tube amp. Itll be like photography, ppl prefer film for the warmth, but film cannot offer as much detail that digital can. I still want a tube amp but id rather have a small 5-10 watt tube amp and smthg like a tone master for different purposes. Id play the tube at home and record and the tm id still play at home but i could also go play a gig or just jam in a band w that.
I've been keeping an eye for used Tonemasters, and have only seen in my area, at most maybe 2 or 3 since they came out, and they've only been about $200 less than new ones before tax(after tax just over a $300 difference). That either means, not many in my area have been sold new, so therefore not many used available to sell, OR people who have bought them, love them and are not selling them, and if they do, because of such a low amount available use, they are doing well in retaining their value, hence why such a low spread between new and use pricing before taxes.
Make sure to play them. I thought they were going to be my next amp and I was highly disappointed
I have done the dance between traditional (tube) and Innovation (digital) ever since I bought the first line6 Flextone, however many years ago that was. W+V+T, weight, volume and tone that is the eternal equation. Where am I now? The Flextone is long gone . What I own now: a Marshall JVM, a real swiss arm knife. A Fender Supersonic 22, has a Deluxe in there somewhere. A 1972 Fender Twin reverb, an extraordinary amp. But the amp that I always seem to go back to is my Yamaha THR10, the first edition. For my uses which don't include stage, it gets three ticks for WVT. It seems the Tonemaster may also fall into this bracket. I reckon you'd be surprised how well a THR10 would fit into your studio. Oh and it has a headphone out.
I’ve considered the THR line many times. My only question is how they work with pedals?
I love that paisley telecaster!!! Nice amp and video as well.Cheers!
Great video man! i've been so tempted by this amp for a year now! is it possible to unplug the speaker easily and run a line out? cheers and hope your'e well
There’s a mute switch on the back
Did you do the software update? It supposedly fixed the reverb. I bought the blonde version which already had the update.
I didn't. I actually deleted a few minutes at the end of this video where I talk about that. I'm skeptical of connecting it to the internet for fear it will change.
@@JeremySheppard It's a easy fix that Fender has provided. Makes all the difference. Be brave and make your amp the best version of itself.
@@JeremySheppard Don't fear installing the new software. You can always revert back to the old software if you don't like the change.
I've played a lot of digital amps that I was extremely happy with especially solid state amps, so I was excited when the series came out but it takes fuzz pedals and distortion pedals poorly, In the overall pushes nothing like the original amp. I still don't understand the hype and I see a lot of used amps of them so that makes me tell me that people get over the amp overtime
That's interesting. This has been my #1 amp for 4 years and I find it to be excellent for taking overdrive pedals. I don't like fuzz so I can't speak too much to that point.
To me, this is a generation change in guitar amps.
I don’t like how pedals sound through the tone master line. They sound great though straight in.
I struggled with that on mine, since it just didn't sound the same. Using the #2 input seems to match impedance with the pedals much better and sounds great! Mine is the blonde.
I think it’s funny people FREAK OUT over circuit boards, yet if they open up their tube amp- Circuit boards…..
90% of the time when your tube amp breaks, it’s something on the board too, so foot panic….. people fix things….
what have you done with fluff
All I know is playing it at the store made me want to stop playing, but switching to any other Fender tube amp, even though they are heavy and loud and problematic, immediately felt like I was reconnected to the music. The digital amps are like talking to someone who isn’t listening, and the 2 year warranty and their history with the Mustang is telling me that this is a disposable amp after 2-5 years. But it does have cool features and it light, but we only get this one life to play. I’m sticking with heavy, needs maintenance, connects with my playing. I’m glad this is working for you for now though!
I guess you would pay for tubes and servicing for a tube amp.
That's what Fender needs to do with the Tonemaster next, make a 5E3 narrow panel 50's Tweed Deluxe version. Imagine getting those insane Neil Young crazy sag tones he gets from his 50's Tweed Deluxe in a lighter, more reliable, and affordable package!!
I would buy one in a heartbeat!!!
@@JeremySheppard Same.
Or they could offer an "upgrade" so the Normal channel sounds like a 5E3.
With the "green" revolution and wanting to be energy efficient, I think digital is the way of the future.
Only playing acoustic guitar will be Energy efficient 😊😂
They Need to Put Volumun Control Nobs On Them. WHY can't Musicians Play With Feelings. Rather Then Loud Noise;
Did you notice a change in the reverb issue after the patch they released?
I haven't done it. Probably should.
@@JeremySheppard yep you should. it takes 5 minutes. and if you like the bright cap, i think there's a patch that only changes the reverb and let the bright cap alone.
Clever? I just use a small mackie mixer. Super easy, effortless really
I kinda want a supersonic tone master
I would get this if it could last the next 8 years. For that I would happy. I’m sure it will. Considering, people still have cyber twins that still work.
Good point, don’t skip on the mojo!
I hope they do some tweeds in this series next
Me too! 5e3 would be cool but I think people want reverb or trem
@@JeremySheppard The '57 Twin Deluxe is my current favorite model on my Mustang GTX, so that or a Bassman would be my preference...ya know, in case Fender is reading this ;)
What is that grey colored electric guitar?
It's a Rude Revelator made in New Orleans, Louisiana by my dear friend Evin Dowey.
@@JeremySheppard Thanks for the reply! Love your videos
I love mine. Unfortunately I’ve had exactly 2 gigs in the past 18 months.
Haha. I'm about the same.
If you are like me, we can thank covid for the lack of gigs. Its finally coming back in my area and we are booked through Sept. Finally lol!!
I saw somewhere that you can use the standby/mute switch for silent recording. Is that not the case then?
It is true it will play silently in the room and through the XLR then you can use headphones on your interface. But, it's silent unless you plug in to your interface.
When applied with pedals the amp moves backwards. Don’t buy this thing man. Buy the Orange super crush 100 solid state amp. It is cheaper and has better tone and doesn’t move back when pedals are used.
But what about the people that said they loved it? 😁😛🎸
Does inflation count in your estimation?
I didn't account for it the past year. It is interesting that they've held $400 for 20 years.
@@JeremySheppard Considering an inflation rate average of 1.8% per year... the used amp should cost $561.40 today. At least I think.
Bro, what was anyone wrong about? It's $1000 for this amplifier brand new. A mass-produced, Chinese-made digital copy of a classic amp. And, the amp it's copying can be had *the real deal...with tubes* for hundreds less on the used market.
No one go this wrong...at least not those who are really looking at the cost of manufacture and the profit margin. Fender is a huge brand and is demanding a massive premium on that alone. I don't care how good it may sound. Many have said it sounds pretty damn close to the real deal--great...I would even agree to some extent. But, I've not heard a single person say that think this digital amp is better in tone than the real amp it attempts to model. Given that it's at best, it's still second place to the real deal...how can you justify spending anything more than $350 on this new?
Bugera makes 150W plexi clones for 600$ all tube. Say what you want about their company...they copy everything shamelessly...whatever...at least they price things accordingly. Boss sells digital modeling amps for far less than this. You know what the difference is? They didn't slap a Fender Twin Reverb logo on it--that apparently accounts for 75% of the cost.
Please LMK where you are finding DR amps around $800.
@@danielyi87 reverb routinely has reissue used reverbs under 1000.
From every video I’ve watched, the Super just doesn’t compare to the Super tube.
Interesting. I haven't watched any, I don't think.
@@JeremySheppard … Rhett Shull has a good video on it; czcams.com/video/YlvSE-MUv9U/video.html
Very nice and chimey…I played one in the store and loved it, now if only I had $1200 that my wife would let me spend…
Got my Blonde version at Chicago Music Exchange recently for 855 plus tax. That was with a 15% discount they offered me as a new customer. So no need to spend 1200. Good luck.
@@dougbennett7881 so you told your wife 500? Lol. Yes m in Canada so they are a bit more, $1299 new but there are some sales.
@@Gottaloveguitars427 My wife was cool with it. Used part of my 401K money (I'm retired) to buy it and a Fender Strat 60's reissue as a present to myself. You just have to buy something for the wife too. That always helps! : - )
Bubs, you’re looking trim! 👀
Eat less. Walk more.
You couldn't just put your amp in a position your kid couldn't touch or teach her not to touch it? Man . . . okay.
Can't understand why they didn't include a headphone jack and effects loop.
Simple, they are not including features that are not present in the Deluxe Reverb - this is a digital recreation of a classic amp, no more no less.
Headphone is there, just need an xlr to 1/4” or 3.5mm cable to plug your headphones into. Sounds great!
Effects loop is utterly useless on a solid state amp. Why keeps everyone asking that? Are you aware why some tube amps have an effects loop? To skip the preamp. A solid state amp doesn't have a tube preamp obviously. It makes no sense..
@@supersonicsroots So every solid state amp or modeller that has an effects loop has been designed by people who don't know what they are doing?
@@jjjddd231 I am still looking for the usb and xlr outs on my tube deluxe reverb...
I couldn't disagree more on the tone...in my opinion it's not even close to sounding like a real Deluxe Reverb in person. I've tried several of them, and they always sound very sterile.
I agree. The Twin TM actually does sound really damn close to an actual Twin tho. But the deluxe TM didn't so it for me, especially when plugging in some drive pedals. Yuck.
I need tubes. Unless it's a Roland JC, I need a tube amp.
ok, nobody said you couldn't buy tube amps. this isn't tube amp but it IS a killer amp all the same.
Hate reverb.
The only thing wrong with them is the price. For 500 bucks they would be a killer amp. A solid state amp shouldn’t cost this much because it looks like a Deluxe Reverb. I’m not saying it’s a bad amp I just think it’s way overpriced for a solid state amp
It's not quite a solid state amp in the same way as SS amps before. This is a digital amp, but I can see your point.
I had some reservations about the price, but at the same time I've never been happier with an amp in my life for my needs - live contemporary church service with need for directs and controllable stage volume. I feel like it was money well spent, and I've been playing live for over 25 years using many different amps. I have a Peavey Classic and I still will get a custom pro reverb at some point, but the THR (practice) and TMDR will always get played more.
@@judsongallien that’s great 👍🏻. Glad your happy and enjoying it.
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Sounds bad like a old Randall solid state