9 String Guitar vs. Bass Guitar (same octave). Which do you think sounds better? Hopefully this video shows that they are not interchangeable since they definitely sound quite different! Be sure to give Johnny a subscription!
They're totally different in sound and sustainability. I use my 9 string's middle/neck pickup position for a smoother bass tone and it delivers tbh (I use my bass rig of course). The 9 is quite flexible, but a bass guitar DEFINITELY has a more dynamic low end.
There are so many videos out there on this. I don't understand how people still don't get it. Have you people ever heard of timbre? Because yeah, that's a thing.
I was gonna ask if it was in the same octave, because I feel like a lot of people make that argument and don't realize that bass is tuned an octave lower than guitars no matter what usually.
There is no comparison. This video proves that the bass guitar remains the low end and grit king. While the tones are entirely different, the bass makes the music sound complete. Both instruments complement each other, as they should.
Yup, I agree in general. I don't like is when guitars go too low, it just makes the sound messy. I think this video is a good example why , for me, 9 string guitars are doing more harm than good. I like a good separation between guitar and bass tones and let them complement each other, as you said.
i just got a bass and with a guitar tone it sounds like i'm jamming out on my 8 string only with the bass only remaining in e standard tuning, and often feeling it is missing a G string for higher notes
I really like 8 string guitar in Drop E and 5/6 string bass in standard tuning. You get that low E shred in the guitar but still that gritty, but clear low B in the bass. I think Bass is vital to round the sound out.
You best be joking. That was second only to Fieldy's garbage-ass clickity click bass tone. I heard more of the pick scraping than I heard actual notes.
Regarding the bass tone - I got this tone using a 50/50 blend of a Kemper tone and just the Bass's DI signal. So basically I have the bass guitar running through an ENGL guitar amp profile on the kemper for the high-gain aspect of the tone (the part you can actually hear). Then I also have the DI signal with all of the high frequencies completely cut out, so that it is only sub-bass frequency. This lets the bass guitar sit above and below the guitar frequency range so it's still audible but also actually brings in some low end at the same time. Hope this helps!
@BiRDiEMusic Yes, I think we're talking about the same notes. I usually prefer to list the highest-pitched string first. I know many of you out there prefer to list the lowest-pitched string first, so I listed their octaves to avoid confusion. If you don't know what I sometimes call the note-octave naming system, I think you would benefit from learning it. What most call "high E" on a (treble) guitar is E4. The lowest note of that octave is C4, and the highest is B4.
timestamp for myself (and others if they like): 0:21: Bass guitar (normal tuning) 0:36: 9-string guitar (normal tuning) 0:50: both bass and 9-string together (normal tuning) 1:03 Bass (with "guitar tone") 1:17: 9-string (with "bass tone") 1:30: both (flipped tones) I must say the "guitar tone" on the bass guitar and the bass tone on the 9-string (both flipped) sound fcking amazing!
I always preferred a strong bass over deep guitars when it came to the rhythm section. Obviously people like Animals as Leaders pull off not having a bassist well because the play style infuses the two, but I always thought a low tuned rhythm on bass sound much better than just a low tuned guitar. A prime example is how Peter Steele in Type O Negative played his bass as a deep rhythm section instead of just a root note holder, and it sounded great.
that bass tone is so solid. i like that the 9 string has a lot more voice to it compared to the bass, but thats why i like the bass, has this full and thick meat sound. id always have a bass, im a bassist so it has to happen, but i get why both are used.
Tymek Herman being a bass player, I do have to say that a bass can never replace a guitar. The guitar here sounded fuller and clearer. A much nicer tone
Bruh honestly I agree, even though they're in the same octave the tones are so different that they meld into one giant combined sound that's pretty neat.
My favourite thing with the bass is the extra noise you get when the strings hit the frets, (can hear this in bands like Karnivool and some Dream Theatre) and just can't get anything like it on guitar.
Always love the comments of "just use a bass" especially when most people don't have any actual experience playing an extended range Guitar in the first place
Extended range instruments are actually good for, well, extended range of notes like solo guitars, or when you have multiple roles like rhythm in some parts and leads in others. But if you're just playing only the first two strings AND JUST THOSE AND NOTHING AT ALL, the bass is actually a good instrument for you and is even has more skills because of a thicker string gauge, wider frets, and farther strings.
Honestly everyone? who gives a fuck? To each man be his own. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. HOW THEY WANT. WITH HOWEVER MANY STRINGS THEY WANT TO. musicians shouldnt be dismissed for playing a certain number of strings on an (insert number) string guitar. let someone use their creative flow. see the TDTE project was super mega ultra djent (but was absolutely incredible btw) and josh travis can be subjected to much criticism, IF you compare him to "standards". he uses the guitar in a way he wants. an instrument is a tool subject to be manipulated in whatever way the user wants it to. now come on people. lets just make music and be happy with what we enjoy doing and if someone has a different style or idea, embrace it, dont dismiss it just because you dont agree right away.
in fact its the other way around, there is room for a 9 string to double up the bass:P being all pro-"do what ever you feel like in music" myself your remark seems very backwards:D also since the guitar greatly lacks sustain in the bottom lows (which shouldnt be a problem dont get me wrong) bring an extended range guitar too any coverband gig and you will understand it as soon as you see the bassplayers face:D (i did it once) i play both (extended)guitar and bass (with lot of overlap in notes)
its just nitpicky definitions at this point. to get a good tone you need layers and when you go this low, the 9 string essentially IS a bass. a guitar by definition is designed for chords, and though a bass can play chords its not designed for open lows because its too deep to resonate open adjacent notes, 7 string guitars venture into baritone range and 8 string guitars hit borderline bass octave reaching standard Bass E1 if drop tuned. below Low A or G (depending on preference and gear) the guitar loses the harmony of the lower strings and it requires longer strings and different pickups. a 9 string is basically never tuned above standard bass octave, its longer scaled and has pickups designed for lower ranges...so its technically in territory to be called a bass. the kicker is that a guitar is intended to be an octave above the bass, which is fine for standard e down to about A. even though guitars can tune lower, basses start to fail below that and even bands like periphery that use long fanned scale dingwall basses and the most high tech gear out there to get low tones, the lowest they go is F# because the bass F# 0 is borderline of the human threshold for hearing. any lower than that and its not the equipment but the human hearing range that is the limitation. so when you tune the guitar below standard bass E1, you lose the bass guitar entirely and the guitar itself is now the lowest instrument and therefore takes the same slot reserved for a standard 4 string bass. so when someone says "just play a bass" tell them you are already playing a bass. no rules in music or mathematics forbid a player from using a pick or distortion on a bass. Fieldy from KoRn distorts his bass, Nolly uses a pick AND heavy distortion amps generally used for guitars. the only halfway solid definitions of a bass versus a guitar is the octave order (now the same octave in this video) and the way the instrument is played in accompaniment with single notes instead of chords (which again, a 9 string now does also) so any 9 string and some 8 strings are more bass than guitar and the amps and setting you use are just personal preference. Hell, Tosin Abasi even plays an 8 string with thumb slapping and a clean channel on an extended string spacing, elongated scale instrument, through a bass modeling channel as the backing track for some of his live playing...so by every definition he is using thew same instrument as both guitar and bass. the problem people have is that they say we are making the bass player obsolete, but in reality we are just forming bands with 2-3 bass players and layering harmonies with different tonal sweet spots. if you two swapped octave places, tuned the bass up and the guitar down and changed to different pickups, you'd literally be swapping bass and guitar without trading instruments. so in conclusuion...a guitar is a guitar, bass is a bass, 7 string is a baritone and an 8 string is right on the borderline of baritone and bass, making the 9 or 10 string just a customized bass. its mostly personal preference in sound that makes one of you prefer a richer tone and one a dirtier tone. each has its place, but mathematically and in definitions of music theory...this is just a bass duel using totally different style basses. nothing wrong with having 2-3-4 bassists as long as the end result is what you intended it to be...you are correct. your only "WRONG" if the goal does not match the result. You could do the same comparison video with 2 different brand 9-strings or 2 different brand basses and prove the same theory. Music needs layers and different players fill different roles to achieve a depth that one instrument generally cant do alone in a live band.
there is also 8 string bass so thats why you call a 9 string (guitar) a guitar. For name sake some people call a electric fretted instrument with only wound string a bass (i don't particularly care for that either). there is lots of possibilities but the discussion is only results from a lack of musicians working together tbh:D I play higher notes (harmonics) above the lead guitarist all the time but my role is still bassplayer
Here we see my nitpicky composer complaint: With a nine string guitar it becomes ridiculously hard to avoid voice-crossing with the bass. The fact that they both transpose an octave up from what you actually hear is the only saving grace that makes effective harmony possible.
I’ve always wondered if those 8/9 string players even needed a bass...and now I know. Thanks man! WAAYYY beefier when the bass kicks in. Didn’t think it would fit with the low guitar. 🙌🙌🙌
This video actually gave me inspiration to only just use distorted bass with my vocals in my freestyle vids. You ALWAYS see guitar only or vocals with guitar and this gave me the idea to do something out of the box! With distortion, it just sounds like a super heavy guitar. Thanks for the inspiration 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I'm a guitar player so of course I think the 9 stri g sou.ds the best in that particular situation. But the bass riffs was super bad ass as well, giving credit where it's due!!
Simple: bass wins. Its' tone sounds so much better. And for people, who saying: "but bass is not djenty enough" - then use a bass with humbuckers: it'll sound much better than a drop tuned / 7-8-9 string guitar.
Why not both? A low tuned guitar sounds like low tuned a guitar. A low tuned bass sounds like a low tuned bass. Because of the thick string gauge a bass will tend to sound muddy and the guitar is rather mid focussed and "tight". If you want to stick out and use bass as the main instrument, why not? But don't say that bass is better, because I think thats a topic you can't talk about without being opinionated.
I wish we'd see more lead bass in music, I think it could work really well. There also something to be said for a 9 string getting into the same frequency as a bass and this could possibly lead to a muddy sound, I think.
The bass using the guitar tuning reminded me of how blown away I was when I found out Steph Carpenter played 'Pins and Needles' on a 5-string bass. I always thought that was one of the first songs he did when he went up to a 7-string.
if anything to me this shows why ERGs are a great thing and not going away. They sound great alone but even better together with the bass. ERG and Bass guitar are made for eachother
That bass tone is really great actually; is that clean from the bass or are you running it through pedals/effects? I can't get my bass to sound that good.
When playing together it would sound meatier if the bass pulled down the drive just a smidge and thickening the low end eq a little. I've always wanted to hear Animals As Leaders with a Bass player. Nolly could be good of course busting the riffs up distinguishingly by finger play and pick alternations. Little tricky for a bass player to finger cup a rubber pick however. And...of course...it is ONLY A PERSONAL EARED thing! I certainly don't expect anyone to always hear in my head. LOL!
One thing I often bring up with any extended range guitars especially 8 9 and 10 string is that it's not just about the extreme lowest part of the range it's about your positioning of your hands on the fretboard and the ease in which you can reach the lower register while you're still playing in a position where you can reach certain chords allowing you to keep on jumping back and forth and weaving in and out of lower and higher parts without as much distance that your fretting hand needs to navigate.
If people would take more advantage of this and many are then you can essentially make parts that would be way more difficult easier and there's nothing wrong with that because that allows you to compose overall even better pieces because you're not burning out trying to play the part in a more difficult arrangement
Would be like pick attacking Jello! My seven string guitars have .070-.075 on the low b combined with a Zakk Wylde set of heavies! Or just Order from Kalium Strings. Allows me to keep my heavy picks and still attack and chunk as normal for me...without vibrating out of tune. Better response times upon attack. But what da phakk do I know anywho? Lol! Only what I prefer!
It's not the same sound, but you could throw emg 808s in a bass and it'd sound like a 9 string, if tuned the same. There's a reason they don't. Notes that low get lost with that much distortion. That, and you run through one amp channel. One guitar input. Your low strings share the same eq as the high strings, so you end up making the entire guitar sound like an ice pick just for a little clarity down low (and you're using so much gain anyways that it still gets lost) or you end up with really muddy flubby low notes. Not to mention the guitar is REALLY competing with the bass. The bass has that part of the sonic register covered, so it kinda clashes.
Like the bass still cuts through really well. Like bass occupies one part of sound range and the guitar another. Guitar is more of a mid range instrument while bass is obviously a low range instrument. Obvious differences, much different sounds and stuff.
Of course they would sound different. Bass strings are almost twice thicker than 9 any strings set to accommodate for longer scale length. They have punchier attack to be groovy but lacks sustain. Downtuned guitar strings have guitarist sustain but attack is sluggish and they usually slack and hit frets while resonate.
(Looking at you, comment section) Why is it even about which tone is better or "superior"? My favorite part was 0:50 when BOTH played and blended into a sick tone - and you're not getting that with a single instrument. OF COURSE you still want both a guitar and a bass... Either I'm naive, or some bass players really ARE upset that guitars are dipping into their range..
Two diffenrent instrument, two different tones, one completes another. But 9-string is just a little bit more versatile. Just because you can add some bass line to your guitar part on a single instrument. And with bass you can't do the same. But wow, what a huge sound has the bass in this vid!
I think they both sound good. As a fellow guitarist naturally I prefer the 9 string tone. If I were a bassist I'd probably try to find the same tone and give up buy a 9 string.
9 String Guitar vs. Bass Guitar (same octave). Which do you think sounds better? Hopefully this video shows that they are not interchangeable since they definitely sound quite different! Be sure to give Johnny a subscription!
Andrew Baena nice jam sesh, I feel like people are going to say this just to piss you off now
Andrew Baena I love it
They're totally different in sound and sustainability. I use my 9 string's middle/neck pickup position for a smoother bass tone and it delivers tbh (I use my bass rig of course). The 9 is quite flexible, but a bass guitar DEFINITELY has a more dynamic low end.
There are so many videos out there on this. I don't understand how people still don't get it. Have you people ever heard of timbre? Because yeah, that's a thing.
I was gonna ask if it was in the same octave, because I feel like a lot of people make that argument and don't realize that bass is tuned an octave lower than guitars no matter what usually.
There is no comparison. This video proves that the bass guitar remains the low end and grit king. While the tones are entirely different, the bass makes the music sound complete. Both instruments complement each other, as they should.
Andrew Stenger
Absophukkinlutely!
Yup, I agree in general.
I don't like is when guitars go too low, it just makes the sound messy. I think this video is a good example why , for me, 9 string guitars are doing more harm than good.
I like a good separation between guitar and bass tones and let them complement each other, as you said.
i just got a bass and with a guitar tone it sounds like i'm jamming out on my 8 string only with the bass only remaining in e standard tuning, and often feeling it is missing a G string for higher notes
Precisely man. They sound perfect being played together! The bass is always great for complimentary tones :) love the 9 string as well haha.
I really like 8 string guitar in Drop E and 5/6 string bass in standard tuning. You get that low E shred in the guitar but still that gritty, but clear low B in the bass. I think Bass is vital to round the sound out.
Dat bass tone is very good
YES! Gimme!
Claudio Russo Does he have a right rundown for the bass he used in this?
XoPOOKIEoX we can do one if you like haha
please do!
You best be joking. That was second only to Fieldy's garbage-ass clickity click bass tone. I heard more of the pick scraping than I heard actual notes.
Bass (solo): really good
Guitar (solo): really good
Both: Fucking amazing
Regarding the bass tone - I got this tone using a 50/50 blend of a Kemper tone and just the Bass's DI signal. So basically I have the bass guitar running through an ENGL guitar amp profile on the kemper for the high-gain aspect of the tone (the part you can actually hear). Then I also have the DI signal with all of the high frequencies completely cut out, so that it is only sub-bass frequency. This lets the bass guitar sit above and below the guitar frequency range so it's still audible but also actually brings in some low end at the same time. Hope this helps!
That's how the pros do it man - it sounds awesome!
I know this video has been here for 2 years but I gotta ask, is that an Ibanez SR bass being used?
I like it! this is why I use a channel splitter & 2 amps when I play my bass: it doesn't sound right when the low-end is gone
Awesome tones for both man!
I wonder why people don't approach 8-9 string guitar tone this way
How about 9 string bass
You could tune it A3E3B2G2D2A1E1B0G0, but I don't know what the longest scale length you can tune a string to A3 over is.
I’m guessing it would be the same octave as a 14 string guitar
Look up MG Bass by Maricio Costa.
9 string Desert Bass.
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@BiRDiEMusic Yes, I think we're talking about the same notes. I usually prefer to list the highest-pitched string first. I know many of you out there prefer to list the lowest-pitched string first, so I listed their octaves to avoid confusion.
If you don't know what I sometimes call the note-octave naming system, I think you would benefit from learning it. What most call "high E" on a (treble) guitar is E4. The lowest note of that octave is C4, and the highest is B4.
a guitar Djents
a bass Clanks
Accurate
ELE
Nice to see someone repping local NC metal
But does it Clank tho?
D'awww, thanks!
timestamp for myself (and others if they like):
0:21: Bass guitar (normal tuning)
0:36: 9-string guitar (normal tuning)
0:50: both bass and 9-string together (normal tuning)
1:03 Bass (with "guitar tone")
1:17: 9-string (with "bass tone")
1:30: both (flipped tones)
I must say the "guitar tone" on the bass guitar and the bass tone on the 9-string (both flipped) sound fcking amazing!
Jumping between both versions where they play together is really cool
I always preferred a strong bass over deep guitars when it came to the rhythm section. Obviously people like Animals as Leaders pull off not having a bassist well because the play style infuses the two, but I always thought a low tuned rhythm on bass sound much better than just a low tuned guitar. A prime example is how Peter Steele in Type O Negative played his bass as a deep rhythm section instead of just a root note holder, and it sounded great.
that bass tone is so solid. i like that the 9 string has a lot more voice to it compared to the bass, but thats why i like the bass, has this full and thick meat sound. id always have a bass, im a bassist so it has to happen, but i get why both are used.
Honestly, I prefer the bass tone, just love it.
they aren't even remotely the same tone
Much better
I liked bass more, it sounds deeper and brighter here
With the distortion=guitar
Clean=Bass
It's not perfectly clean here ;)
Tymek Herman being a bass player, I do have to say that a bass can never replace a guitar. The guitar here sounded fuller and clearer. A much nicer tone
I play bass myself, and i know bass cant replace guitar in heavier music. It's just my opinion about tone in that video
They have unique tones, but both those bass tone definitely sounds good and should be used more often.
Am also a bass player. What a nice circle jerk.
Man, those are some nice Bass Guitars you guys have got there.
OHH that fret buzzzzzzzzz
Personally I liked it :)
ikr? way too much for me to handle. Most of that is in his playing technique.
Bass and 9-string guitars.
Red and Blue
PB and Jelly
One can exist without the other, but when they come together... MAGIC HAPPENS!
I think the best sound was when you both played together (regular tones)
Sounds really deep
Yo that guitar tone on bass is fucking nasty, I like it.
When are we gonna get rid of guitars and just have 6 string basses in metal bands?
Bruh honestly I agree, even though they're in the same octave the tones are so different that they meld into one giant combined sound that's pretty neat.
My favourite thing with the bass is the extra noise you get when the strings hit the frets, (can hear this in bands like Karnivool and some Dream Theatre) and just can't get anything like it on guitar.
Always love the comments of "just use a bass" especially when most people don't have any actual experience playing an extended range Guitar in the first place
and most people using an " extended range " play with three strings at most
Daniel McBain I think you should check out Rob Scallon. He uses the instruments to their full extent. He really is one of a kind.
Rick Nicolai also Love those comments of, "if your not (insert musicians name here) your not using the instrument to their full extent"
Extended range instruments are actually good for, well, extended range of notes like solo guitars, or when you have multiple roles like rhythm in some parts and leads in others. But if you're just playing only the first two strings AND JUST THOSE AND NOTHING AT ALL, the bass is actually a good instrument for you and is even has more skills because of a thicker string gauge, wider frets, and farther strings.
Honestly everyone? who gives a fuck? To each man be his own. LET PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT. HOW THEY WANT. WITH HOWEVER MANY STRINGS THEY WANT TO. musicians shouldnt be dismissed for playing a certain number of strings on an (insert number) string guitar. let someone use their creative flow. see the TDTE project was super mega ultra djent (but was absolutely incredible btw) and josh travis can be subjected to much criticism, IF you compare him to "standards". he uses the guitar in a way he wants. an instrument is a tool subject to be manipulated in whatever way the user wants it to. now come on people. lets just make music and be happy with what we enjoy doing and if someone has a different style or idea, embrace it, dont dismiss it just because you dont agree right away.
Good to hear both together. There is definitely room for the bass in a mix with a 9 string
in fact its the other way around, there is room for a 9 string to double up the bass:P being all pro-"do what ever you feel like in music" myself your remark seems very backwards:D also since the guitar greatly lacks sustain in the bottom lows (which shouldnt be a problem dont get me wrong)
bring an extended range guitar too any coverband gig and you will understand it as soon as you see the bassplayers face:D (i did it once) i play both (extended)guitar and bass (with lot of overlap in notes)
Damn, that's a tasty metal bass tone!!!
its just nitpicky definitions at this point. to get a good tone you need layers and when you go this low, the 9 string essentially IS a bass. a guitar by definition is designed for chords, and though a bass can play chords its not designed for open lows because its too deep to resonate open adjacent notes, 7 string guitars venture into baritone range and 8 string guitars hit borderline bass octave reaching standard Bass E1 if drop tuned. below Low A or G (depending on preference and gear) the guitar loses the harmony of the lower strings and it requires longer strings and different pickups. a 9 string is basically never tuned above standard bass octave, its longer scaled and has pickups designed for lower ranges...so its technically in territory to be called a bass. the kicker is that a guitar is intended to be an octave above the bass, which is fine for standard e down to about A. even though guitars can tune lower, basses start to fail below that and even bands like periphery that use long fanned scale dingwall basses and the most high tech gear out there to get low tones, the lowest they go is F# because the bass F# 0 is borderline of the human threshold for hearing. any lower than that and its not the equipment but the human hearing range that is the limitation. so when you tune the guitar below standard bass E1, you lose the bass guitar entirely and the guitar itself is now the lowest instrument and therefore takes the same slot reserved for a standard 4 string bass. so when someone says "just play a bass" tell them you are already playing a bass. no rules in music or mathematics forbid a player from using a pick or distortion on a bass. Fieldy from KoRn distorts his bass, Nolly uses a pick AND heavy distortion amps generally used for guitars. the only halfway solid definitions of a bass versus a guitar is the octave order (now the same octave in this video) and the way the instrument is played in accompaniment with single notes instead of chords (which again, a 9 string now does also) so any 9 string and some 8 strings are more bass than guitar and the amps and setting you use are just personal preference. Hell, Tosin Abasi even plays an 8 string with thumb slapping and a clean channel on an extended string spacing, elongated scale instrument, through a bass modeling channel as the backing track for some of his live playing...so by every definition he is using thew same instrument as both guitar and bass. the problem people have is that they say we are making the bass player obsolete, but in reality we are just forming bands with 2-3 bass players and layering harmonies with different tonal sweet spots. if you two swapped octave places, tuned the bass up and the guitar down and changed to different pickups, you'd literally be swapping bass and guitar without trading instruments. so in conclusuion...a guitar is a guitar, bass is a bass, 7 string is a baritone and an 8 string is right on the borderline of baritone and bass, making the 9 or 10 string just a customized bass. its mostly personal preference in sound that makes one of you prefer a richer tone and one a dirtier tone. each has its place, but mathematically and in definitions of music theory...this is just a bass duel using totally different style basses. nothing wrong with having 2-3-4 bassists as long as the end result is what you intended it to be...you are correct. your only "WRONG" if the goal does not match the result. You could do the same comparison video with 2 different brand 9-strings or 2 different brand basses and prove the same theory. Music needs layers and different players fill different roles to achieve a depth that one instrument generally cant do alone in a live band.
Blah Blahsen this is honestly the best explanation I've heard yet! Your comment shoulda been at the top. It's the only one that makes sense
Yes it was like I just read a novel
I always considered djent as layered bass
Great explanation. It feeds into the idea that any innovation solves problems while creating new ones.
there is also 8 string bass so thats why you call a 9 string (guitar) a guitar. For name sake some people call a electric fretted instrument with only wound string a bass (i don't particularly care for that either). there is lots of possibilities but the discussion is only results from a lack of musicians working together tbh:D I play higher notes (harmonics) above the lead guitarist all the time but my role is still bassplayer
Here we see my nitpicky composer complaint: With a nine string guitar it becomes ridiculously hard to avoid voice-crossing with the bass. The fact that they both transpose an octave up from what you actually hear is the only saving grace that makes effective harmony possible.
This video is awesome man, finally put the Bass and Extended range guitars argument to rest. Such great tones too.
That is a good bassist.
Where?
@@porphyrichemophilia7405 lmfao🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ve always wondered if those 8/9 string players even needed a bass...and now I know. Thanks man! WAAYYY beefier when the bass kicks in. Didn’t think it would fit with the low guitar. 🙌🙌🙌
9-string guitar and bass sounds completely different in my ears and compliments eachother very well. Both are needed in the mix for those riffs.
This video actually gave me inspiration to only just use distorted bass with my vocals in my freestyle vids.
You ALWAYS see guitar only or vocals with guitar and this gave me the idea to do something out of the box!
With distortion, it just sounds like a super heavy guitar. Thanks for the inspiration 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I can't stop repeat that guitar first riff, it has a AMAZING tone
I'm a guitar player so of course I think the 9 stri g sou.ds the best in that particular situation. But the bass riffs was super bad ass as well, giving credit where it's due!!
Man the riff you guys played together before switching tones was mean as fuck and I love it
Man, that's a stellar bass tone! Very nice!
The bass with the guitar tone was to die for. but when the switched tones came together. That could be a legitimately tone used for an album.
worked pretty good together. bass holds the low end and 9 string adds extra harmonic layers (the first tones).
_So, when are you getting that Agile Septor 10-string?_
I think the 9 string is enough of a meme haha
Andrew Baena come on, man! You'd really stir up the haters with it! "Why do you have ten strings!?!??! Isn't one enough!?!?!! Ugh jdjdjdeent sucks."
I have a 10-string! You have to do it!!!!
imo an Etherial 10 string would be a better value
Jim Daniel Hoxworth I know right i have a agile pendulum Pro 1020 fanned fret model
I just love how this channel is getting better by the video.
the 9 string has a much better distorted tone whereas the bass is better clean
1:02
Bruh
Exactly
Both with flipped tones had a somewhat TesseracT sound to it, dig it!
Simple: bass wins. Its' tone sounds so much better.
And for people, who saying: "but bass is not djenty enough" - then use a bass with humbuckers: it'll sound much better than a drop tuned / 7-8-9 string guitar.
...in your opinion.
Why not both? A low tuned guitar sounds like low tuned a guitar. A low tuned bass sounds like a low tuned bass. Because of the thick string gauge a bass will tend to sound muddy and the guitar is rather mid focussed and "tight". If you want to stick out and use bass as the main instrument, why not? But don't say that bass is better, because I think thats a topic you can't talk about without being opinionated.
FUCKING THANK YOU
I wish we'd see more lead bass in music, I think it could work really well. There also something to be said for a 9 string getting into the same frequency as a bass and this could possibly lead to a muddy sound, I think.
Check out Necromantia from Greece. They're using a lead bass regularly.
awesome bass tone
HA! A jazz ad before THIS video. PFFFT. Lets get on with it 😈.
I was apparently the 70 000'th subsciber.. great videos man!
The bass using the guitar tuning reminded me of how blown away I was when I found out Steph Carpenter played 'Pins and Needles' on a 5-string bass. I always thought that was one of the first songs he did when he went up to a 7-string.
Y'all know the old saying
Buy a 9 string and fire your bassist
nah, I'll buy a 9 string bass and fire my guitarist instead
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if anything to me this shows why ERGs are a great thing and not going away. They sound great alone but even better together with the bass. ERG and Bass guitar are made for eachother
That bass tone is really great actually; is that clean from the bass or are you running it through pedals/effects? I can't get my bass to sound that good.
This is what I was looking for. Thank you.
When playing together it would sound meatier if the bass pulled down the drive just a smidge and thickening the low end eq a little.
I've always wanted to hear Animals As Leaders with a Bass player. Nolly could be good of course busting the riffs up distinguishingly by finger play and pick alternations.
Little tricky for a bass player to finger cup a rubber pick however.
And...of course...it is ONLY A PERSONAL EARED thing!
I certainly don't expect anyone to always hear in my head. LOL!
I come back to this video just to hear the first bass solo. I love it!
this is so epic!!! a 9 string guitar vs a bass. you need more videos like these! if i had a 4 string bass i could easily match a 9-stringer
Both sound so awesome, you guys rock!!!
Thank you, I'm so tired of this fucking argument, the two sounds complement each other perfectly, they're both needed
"This one has nine strings, it's three lower"
"why don't you just make the sixth string lower?"
"...this one has nine strings"
Love this! The mix sound very cool when flipped actually!
I just feel 9 strings guitar tone are all the same
That bass tone is what make bass so sick
Without either of them, a band wouldn't sound as whole. Simply put. Sick ass video though!
That bass tone though! Great video guys!
One of my favorite videos
I'm actually really intrigued by the flip settings. Could definitely have a place in a recording.
Bass does sound better tho with both tones
great video,love the way the bass guitar sounds
This is actually extraordinarily heavy
They sound incredible together!
One thing I often bring up with any extended range guitars especially 8 9 and 10 string is that it's not just about the extreme lowest part of the range it's about your positioning of your hands on the fretboard and the ease in which you can reach the lower register while you're still playing in a position where you can reach certain chords allowing you to keep on jumping back and forth and weaving in and out of lower and higher parts without as much distance that your fretting hand needs to navigate.
If people would take more advantage of this and many are then you can essentially make parts that would be way more difficult easier and there's nothing wrong with that because that allows you to compose overall even better pieces because you're not burning out trying to play the part in a more difficult arrangement
This is fucking great and that 9 string tone is sick as fuck! I agree with you 100 percent
What a magnificent video!
I love the deathsythe Gundam and freedom Gundam in the back.
1:17 That "I told you so" face.
The sound of that 9 string guitar is awesome!
that fucking bass tone!!! I can listen to that all day
that riff at 1:00 , is that just a riff or is that from a song? it's catchy as hell.
What about tuning down a 28" scale 6 string guitar to the bottom range of a 9 string?
Would be like pick attacking Jello!
My seven string guitars have .070-.075 on the low b combined with a Zakk Wylde set of heavies!
Or just Order from Kalium Strings.
Allows me to keep my heavy picks and still attack and chunk as normal for me...without vibrating out of tune. Better response times upon attack.
But what da phakk do I know anywho?
Lol!
Only what I prefer!
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you've got yourself a 6 string bass
that bass sound
God damn that 9 string has a thicc tone. Seems like the bass is better for lows and the 9 for highs but they sound great together
Love the sound of Flipped tones!!!
Great tones and riffs!!
Would love more of it!
I appreciate the humour you did with this video about this whole debate. Very nice.
Awesome video!
That bass tone is killer!
They both need each other, that is clear ❤
It's not the same sound, but you could throw emg 808s in a bass and it'd sound like a 9 string, if tuned the same. There's a reason they don't. Notes that low get lost with that much distortion. That, and you run through one amp channel. One guitar input. Your low strings share the same eq as the high strings, so you end up making the entire guitar sound like an ice pick just for a little clarity down low (and you're using so much gain anyways that it still gets lost) or you end up with really muddy flubby low notes. Not to mention the guitar is REALLY competing with the bass. The bass has that part of the sonic register covered, so it kinda clashes.
Nice comparison man. Haha, nice tones!
Amazing Vid!!
the flipped version actually sounds sick
Both sounds good, def different. My preference is the bass, but again, both sound good.
Like the bass still cuts through really well. Like bass occupies one part of sound range and the guitar another. Guitar is more of a mid range instrument while bass is obviously a low range instrument. Obvious differences, much different sounds and stuff.
both together sound pretty cool
Of course they would sound different. Bass strings are almost twice thicker than 9 any strings set to accommodate for longer scale length. They have punchier attack to be groovy but lacks sustain. Downtuned guitar strings have guitarist sustain but attack is sluggish and they usually slack and hit frets while resonate.
(Looking at you, comment section) Why is it even about which tone is better or "superior"? My favorite part was 0:50 when BOTH played and blended into a sick tone - and you're not getting that with a single instrument. OF COURSE you still want both a guitar and a bass...
Either I'm naive, or some bass players really ARE upset that guitars are dipping into their range..
This is a great video! :D
the way you mix and EQ it comes into play as well.
Two diffenrent instrument, two different tones, one completes another.
But 9-string is just a little bit more versatile. Just because you can add some bass line to your guitar part on a single instrument. And with bass you can't do the same.
But wow, what a huge sound has the bass in this vid!
Both used together is my favorite
they both ROCK
I think they both sound good. As a fellow guitarist naturally I prefer the 9 string tone. If I were a bassist I'd probably try to find the same tone and give up buy a 9 string.
the bass tone is so punchy... love it