Let's Talk About The Reason Why HUMANS Hate MUTANTS in Invincible Iron Man #7
VloĆŸit
- Äas pĆidĂĄn 4. 09. 2024
- In today's video let's talk about the reason why humans hate mutants & Orchis hates both in Invincible Iron Man #đŽ7, and why this is leading towards Marvel's own version of Terminator's Skynet.
Donât forget to Hulk Smash that LIKE button đđż and SUBSCRIBE âĄ
đŽ Want more? Become a member and get access to exclusive videos like the Top 5 Comics of the Week every week and other things!
/ @blerdwithoutfear
đŽ Click this link to become Earth's Mightiest Patron!: / blerdwithoutfear
đŽ JOIN the DISCORD!: / discord
Make sure to READ the RULES and verify yourself at the bottom of the rules thread, otherwise you will NOT gain access to the server!
đŽ FOLLOW ME HERE!
BlerdMinusFear
Facebook.com/BlerdWithoutFear/
blerdwithoutfear
đŽ BWF T-SHIRTS (courtesy of TeeSpring):
teespring.com/...
đŽ DONATE money to the Blerd Without Fear!:
www.paypal.me/...
INTRO ANIMATION:
Animation by Oliver Banks. Go check out his CZcams Channel:
/ broodbanks
INTRO MUSIC:
Intro & Outro: Dreamweaver by SkyBlew
âą SkyBlew x Sleeping Awa...
#ironman #xmen #comics
Wasnt it stated that Sublime was the reason why humans hated mutants so much? He would infect them to hate mutants vs the other superheroes. Additionally, this is very close to the Days of Future Past storyline when the sentinels killed ALL the super powered community.
I'd say a group of people saying that they're superior and will one day replace you is grounds for hate. Not to mention they're down right dangerous.
Remember Krakoa was destroyed from within.
Tonyâs discovery of the sentinels targeting non mutants and being shocked just continues the theme of non mutant heroâs not really caring what happens to mutants. So if they werenât targeted heâd be fine with sentinels targeting mutants only. đ€·đŸ
Don't get me wrong, I like the Starkster... but Tony could (occasionally) be *ever so slightly* discriminatory.
đ
Of all people you would at least except cap to care.
Him not showing up to âgod loves man killsâ when a extremist evangelical was holding a public execution of mutants should have made him jump right up there and say âcut that shit outâ
This!
And I can't wait for the X-Men to just look at them like they stupid
The level of fear/hatred towards mutants doesn't make sense until you think of exactly this.
Where as Cap, the Fantastic Four or spiderman showed up relatively fully formed and their creation is more public, mutants could pop up from virtually anywhere, their powers very greatly, and their conception is pretty unknown to the public.
Not only that, but it might not just be a neighbor or a stranger, it could be your kid.
Also, also, I'm sure horror stories like the kid known as "J" that killed pretty much his whole town are all too common.
The thought that anyone could potentially be a WMD is a level of existential fear I don't think many people consider when judging the regular humans of the Marvel universes.
I think mutants like Magneto, Sabertooth, Apocalypse and events like Onslaught made most humans hate and fear mutants more than anything
@@scinnycand hardly any help from EaRtHs MIGhTEIST hERoEs
Spider-Man been one of the few that had the x men back
@@brendaspence1824 Tbf in the case of Onslaught. Cap, Iron Man and Thor did sacrifice themselves to save the world against Onslaught (cause it was an event story to kill those characters and the Fantastic Four off due to those characters being unpopular in the 90s)
Better yet how can most humans can differentiate between the mutants and superhumans or human mutates if they don't directly know that person ...maybe they have powers as well
I asked myself that all the time, it would be easy if the hate went to all mutants and mutates.
It's because unless they in the story only mutants exist and vice versa.
This actually addressed a lot during original Claremont run. Groups like the Purifiers portray man as created by god- therefore mutants are the work of the devil and not like you. Characters like FF and Cap don't get hatred because everyone knows they're just like "us" until an incident. The characters who get hatred are the ones where it's either clear (or at least ambiguous) to the public they're a mutant. For example- nobody knew whether Spider-Man was a mutant or not- therefore hated just like X-men
Mutants tend to flock together. How many are part of the Avengers? Isn't that one of the "beefs" Cyclops had with Captain America, that the X-Men come to help when the Avengers call for help but rarely is it the other around?
@@KenFromchicago All they got to do is call. Otherwise heroes are expected to deal with their own stuff.
I think another good reason why people hate mutants and not the avengers is that prejudice isn't logical.
This literally stories about mutants discovering their powers and wiping out entire towns it is perfectly fucking logical to both hate this and fear it
@ronniehopper2726 Not all mutants are dangerous. You are talking about a very small percentage of people. Most mutants want to live in peace.
@@THEWHIPX1 Yeah I'm talking about the bad ones I'm talking about the ones that can't control their powers which happens to be a lot of them,
@@ronniehopper2726 Well if they would listen to Xavier and build more schools like his then there wouldn't be a problem.
@@THEWHIPX1 Or they could Weaponize the cure.
Given how often Tony builds up a business to stratospheric levels and then crashes it, I'm surprised Janet van Dyne hasn't reached out to Tony to suggest an alliance of sorts: Tony gets all the money and freedom he wants (mostly) but van Dyne has control over the direction of the company in general.
People tend to sleep on her business skills, but let's not forget that she could buy and sell Tony all day, even at his richest. Such an alliance would be all sorts of scary, especially if someone brought Peter Parker into it.......
I'm pretty sure Pepper tried to do the same thing. But Tony Stark sold his common sense to Mephisto in order to get around her. And that my children is how we got Civil war.
It's like the Honest Trailer for Iron Man showing in the MCU how Tony Stark keeps making weapons that are used against him: czcams.com/video/XBy-lYxiyyc/video.html
@@KenFromchicago At least MCU Tony died a hero. While Prime Tony lived to become a villain. Multiple times in fact.
Janet has never been shown as having Stark's level of wealth.
Janet has never been shown as having Stark's level of wealth.
It'd be wild to see an Orchis/Ultron team-up, especially with them seeming to have a common interest. Would Ultron try to take over Orchis, or maybe the other way around? I mean, we've already seen Ultron take over the Phalanx, once before.
Ultron might have already infiltrated Orchis.
That could be a major problem for Orchis and everyone if he has hacked their systems
Ultron would probably kill Nimrod the first chance he got and take over everything else
Who would win between ultron and nimrod? Seems like a good match
â@@theprodigalsun__ ultron is much more powerful and smarter than nimrod
@@greatquotes3785 That's your opinion not fact's
It really doesn't make any sense when you consider some mutants and mutates share the same powers.
Red Ghost and Kate Pryde and even Captain Ultra (although it's one of his powers) share the power of intangibility.
Sandman, Quicksand and Dust all share the same sand powers.
Iceman and Hydro Man have water elemental powers, just at different states.
Mr. Fantastic and Rubbermaid share elasticity powers
Equinox and Oya both have fire/ice powers
In the Original Days of Future Past story the Sentinels Killed Mutants , Mutates and regular Humans in the Future . They seem headed on that same Path first they are targeted Mutants . Right now they are programing to attack Mutates then it's going end up attacking Human targets then the Days of Future Past could start in the comics . It could lead in to event like Sins of Sinister.
Seems to mirroring real life with the love of AI right now
Still cant understand how the other heroes never saw this coming. The likes of Amedeous cho and Captain America have seen how far people like ORCHIS are willing to go in their hatred or ideals the mutants will go first then the others will follow.
Honestly its finally refreshing that they realize how screwed they are.
I'm excited for Captain America reigniting the Avengers Unity Team. I will say it again: Mutants are "the other." You know the "other." Any "other" that the Society at large rejects or harms.
Orchis targeting superhumans was created by Duggan. Hickman had the groups who came together to form them counting on post-humans arising and being able to prevent mutant dominance.
I just remember in Spider-Man the animated series (90s). How Peter Parker responded with absolute discussed in his voice. When the X-Men asked him if he was a mutant.
That being said it probably stems from jealousy. I could see people's mentality being like "I feel so sorry, for them. That mistake happened and they're forced to live with the burden".
On the other hand "I'm born normal I wasn't given any advantages, I had a hard life too.. so why you complaining Mutie!!"
Yeah he even used the term âfreakâ in no he wasnât talking about mutants in that regard just what he was transforming intoâŠ..even then it was a very callous thing to say
@@brendaspence1824 exactly, the Man-Spider transformation was his punishment. Hopefully Peter learned from this experience.
What if the human mutates have children. Im not too sure if Captain America can pass down their powers to his offspring. But I'm sure Spiderman, Hulk, and FF can have children born with superpowers. How would humans react to those children.
I think they would still be human mutates and not traditional mutants but they would still get hated, especially if those kids looked different like skaar who was born light green and huge lol
â@@brumtownmiller6130it used to be a rule that super powered individuals, mutate or not, if they were born with powers, they would be mutants, but Marvel has been walking that back in the modern era.
@@TrueXSE yh because being a mutant is a specific thing now. I think it was from it was revealed that the celestials specifically created them
â@@TrueXSEman this shit is just more simple in the DC universe. Where everybody and their mama is Metahuman lol. Even Superman and Batman can be considered Metahumans sometimes đđ.
Well Reed (Mr Fantastic) and Susan Storm (Invisible Woman) have a mutant son in Franklin Richards. So those two know a thing or two about being mutates and having a mutant child (who they care about a lot btw).
It's because FF, Spider-Man, Captain America, Captain Marvel have gain powers by accident, experiments or radiation exposure, but mutants were born with their genes that awaken superpowers early in childhood, sometime in their early to mid teens suddenly turning their lives upside down and in Rogue's case precluding her of normal daily experiences through physical touch!
Well it does make sense that, Orchis wants the heroâs gone. Remember Orchis is a group made up by other groups like A.I.M and Hydra. But one question I have is if Orchis wants machine supremacy, then where is one of the worst Machines/ machine hybrids that Marvel ever created? Where is ULTRON?!?! Can you imagine if Nimrod and Ultron joined forces or some how merged? Itâs ALL OVER!!!
Orchis's real purpose is the extermination of all branches of humanity and replace them with a genetically engineered master race. The human members of Orchis are not aware of the true goal, It would get very ugly if they were to find out.
Ultron would be a perfect end game setter where nimrod and ultron's merger would result in them becoming a dominion and that's the final boss that everyone has to face
Aw, shit, Ernie... i just realized that the Marvel heroes are in for more problems than they realize. Didn't Tony develop countermeasures to stop Peter's Spider-Sense from triggering? This is gonna be as crazy as the War of the Realms!
I get what the X-men stand for and what their struggle represents in context with real life struggles. I mean we all get it obviously and itâs a great tool for storytelling. But itâs one of those things you canât think too hard on because it falls apart after a few minutes. It does not make any sense that super soldiers and mutants are separated. It makes zero sense that mutants are even considered anything other than human, because they are human. If mutants existed in real life theyâd be celebrities and would rule the world. Parents would want mutant babies (obviously oneâs with cool powers) and reg humans would pay đ° to get powers. The hate and fear (jealousy). They would def have to register though. Like that is non negotiable. The government, even a mutant dominated one, would be dumb not to.
SoâŠâŠit would be the boys in real life
Superheroes don't say they're here to replace humanity.
Q
Neither do mutant, thats is messed up dude
@@afro_princess1671 They has never suggested that they're next step of humanity....
â@@Dc0sby That's because mutants *are* the next step in humanity. However, that doesn't mean that they're out to actively destroy humanity. Every species evolves to eventually replace another. Modern day humans didn't actively kill off the Neanderthals. Humans just evolved into the more superior species, while Neanderthals eventually died out. That's just the circle of life.
@@afro_princess1671 Some mutants have, and that was even part of the schtick (such as Magneto).
i've been reading comics for a few decades now, but this storyline is scaring me more than any other in history. i wouldn't be shocked if more titles are added making another company wide crossover. this will i guess affect every corner of the mcu
I feel Orchis is going criss a line that their can'tafford to cross. The need is Ellie Preston aka Ellie Wilson, Deadpool will someway get his old memories back and Death will give hima free pass to town. He'll, he might find Frank and they do a punishment tour.
1) Keep in mind that there have been numerous times when people have gone after all supers, such as the Initiative.
2) The mutants have had times of high popularity, such as after the Fall of the Mutants. There are even some areas, such as Japan, that have always had a fondness for mutants. Of course, you also have some areas, such as Russia and China that tend to hate all supers (mutant or otherwise) unless they can be made to serve the state.
The mutants are having a current issue because they've decided to create their own country where they enjoy access to things no one else does (ie, resurrection), they did just terraform a planet, and they did announce they were the humans to deal with if you're an alien government. That's a lot of flexing, and flexing usually hurts one's popularity. at the very least, it makes people notice you, and notice isn't always good.
3) I'd point out that most mutates have had times when they were hunted by one government or another. While Spidey and Hulk are the obvious ones, even Steve Rogers has been targeted by the US government, the FF has had numerous legal issues because of their powers and the troubles that seem to target them, and even various incarnations of the Avengers have had run-ins with governments (one even resulted in getting Henry Gyrich as their liaison).
4) While normal humans can't tell mutate from mutant, there are ways to tell the difference: Mutants have an altered E-M field that can be used to detect them, and even mutant telepaths can detect that difference (it's part of how Cerebro works, for example).
5) I'd argue that most people don't care, outside of the xenophobes, and don't really care about the mutate/mutant difference. I think most treat supers in general with greater respect, with some (Hulk and a lot of supervillains) with abject fear.
Men they need to treat my boi hulk with respect he save most of the world by himself yet still get hate smh lol
@@jonathansessoms3507 after The Immortal Hulk books, everyone, regardless of status, needs to give Hulk(s) his due. Immortal Hulk changed everything! đđđ
@@jonathansessoms3507cause he within a day beat all the avengers and almost took over the world.he also has destroyed entire cities with innocents in them
Letâs not pretend hulk has blood on his hands
Your entire speech sounds like you are calling mutants overdramatic
@@SensoriaMaRia truth but damn near all the heroâs have blood on their hands
I swear to god Orchis is gonna attack everyone but as soon as the dust settles. They all gonna peace out and leave Mutants holding the bag and taking all the blame
Didnât that happen with onslaught? The avengers all disappeared and humanity blamed the x men for that whole thing?
This is actually addressed a lot during original Claremont X-men run. Bigoted groups like the Purifiers portray mutants as the work of the devil and not human- unlike for example the FF who are publicly known to be just like "us" until an accident. The other aspect is groups that integrate always gain more acceptance. Unfamiliarity breeds ignorance, fear and resentment- another reason why Krakoa is not a good path. The Sentinels of course ended up targeting all superhumans in the Days of Future Past storylines.
Why isn't Krakoa a good path? Nothing else has worked for the mutants. And yes, the Sentinels do always wind up just targeting humanity because mutants are usually born to humans
@@scinnyc when has segregation ever been a positive force? Division breeds intolerance. When you spend enough time around others, everyone eventually realises how alike we all are. This used to be the defining trait of X-men books and the ideological battle between collective race blame, division and segregation vs optimism, tolerance and acceptance. Modern creators are more fixated on the safespace metaphor that is exclusive rather than inclusive by it's very nature. There have been tons of timelines where mutants win out too. But pursuing the Krakoan path has hastened the development of Orchis and Sentinels amongst others. What kind of society welcomes child murdering genocidal maniacs like Sinister and Apocalypse over heroes like Captain America? They wouldn't be in the current mess with Sinister if they'd judged people based on their actions rather than species/race. Krakoa era should have been a short lived cautionary tale (as Hickman clearly intended) rather than the new status quo.
@@uxm4life94 I understand your point but integration has NEVER worked for mutants. Hell, in Cable's time, 2000 years in the future, regular humans still have disdain for mutants. The only thing mutants can do is segragate themselves or conquer the Earth as a whole. Every other scenario just spells disaster for mutants. Regular humans will eventually die out anyway because mutants are the next step in evolution and many humans possess recessive mutant genes anyway
@@uxm4life94oh Steve rogers? The same self righteous sob who was nowhere to be seen during the genosha massacre along with his EaRThS MiGtEIESt hERoES? This is the issue I see all the time.whenever there is world danger,avengers expect the x men to be front and center.the x men got a big event? Where the avengers at? And lord the douchebaggery of them in the avengers vs x men event.Iâm so glad Scott called out rogers and his goons in that book
#cyclopswasright
@@brendaspence1824 Steve Rogers saved the X-men during 70s Avengers, the original Secret Empire, Secret Wars, Age of Kulan Garth and he saved X-23 from Weapon X. Plus the Avengers showed up plenty of times to help mutants- Onslaught,
Second Coming to name a few. He also mentored Wanda and Pietro for decades when believed to be mutants before that stupid retcon. But despite all that- totally agree CyclopsWasRight during and after AVX! Still, if I was a mutant- I'd feel a lot safer living next to FF or Avengers than on an island with genocidal monsters like Sinister. While Rogers was fighting the Nazis- Sinister was doing cruel, inhumane and deadly experiments on children for them!
I would not be surprised if 'ULTRON' is literally {behind-the-scenes/behind the curtain} pulling everyone strings like puppets on a Stage and 'ULTRON' is The Puppet Master?! đđđ
Its always been really obvious to me
1. Mutants have erratic and dangerous powers. Their powers also manifest during their teenage years, so imagine any random dumb teen could explode or become a monster at any moment.
2. Other heroes are rare and most are public figures that were given their powers or private citizens that have got their powers tragically through accidents. Mutants number in the tens of millions and some publicly acknowledge themselves as superior to humans.
3. There's never been any rational thought or logic behind bigotry. Idiocy, ignorance and propaganda keep it alive and thriving.
I always thought that the reason Mutants were hated was because they were generally so secretive. Even the X-Men were rather secluded
Imagine how you'd feel about a secretive community of Super-Powered Individual who constantly closed themselves off and kept saying that they'd one day replace Humanity
If you really get technical with it, there's really *NO* difference between humans and mutants because mutants are usually born to humans who carry recessive mutant genes. That's why Mastermold and the Sentinels have been shown to target all of humanity in alternate futures or in particular storylines
That's what I said. Thats why in most cases I think its dumb for humans to hate mutants and want to get rid of them, instead they should be trying to add the mutant gene to everyone. Like Instead of moirah trying to sterilise mutants to stop future wars with humans, she should of tried making all humans mutants. We know it can be done because sinister did it
@@brumtownmiller6130 Agreed. Not mention how anicent mutants like Apocalypse have had multiple children to seed the human genome with homo superior genes for 1000s of years. There was also an old Cable story where it was discovered that Jean Grey's immortal ancestor from 15th century America purposely had multiple kids and told her offspring to mate as much as possible until she had an entire army of mutant family members in present day
â@@brumtownmiller6130 I agree, I keep getting annoyed when stories have characters say that they're different species when they're not.
But I can understand why people are afraid and want to eradicate the X-Gene instead.
We have to remember that not every Mutant has beneficial powers and not everyone uses it for good. There was a story called "X-Men: Worst X-Man Ever" where the main character, a boy named Bailey Hoskins finds out that he's a mutant and his ability is that one day he will explode and die.
There are many characters like this. Think about Rogue who couldn't touch her loved ones and Frenzy who accidentally killed her own father due to her immense strength. It's not just humans that want the X-Gene gone, it's mutants who want a "cure" too. And that's why I miss the older stories that discussed this. The politics is complicated, its not just humans against mutants. There are good sides and bad sides to having the X-Gene in humanity, I think the problem is that they stopped writing about this.
@@lepotato135 yh I get that not all powers are desirable but with sinister being able to take powers and mix them and add multiple powers, maybe he could also unlock specific powers in people so only desired traits/powers would be given to people but that would be really hard. Iâm guessing those extreme cases are rare but to sterilise all mutants is harsh. I think to hate them so much is ridiculous but I get itâs fear but I think itâs also a jealousy thing. If your lucky and get an amazing power with little to no downside or visual deformities, your basically a god!
@@brumtownmiller6130 Oh my Gosh I get what you mean now! You're right! I don't understand what Sinister and Moira have been doing all this time lol. They could extend humanity's lifespan, regrow people's organs and learn so much from mutants like Darwin. And people would hate mutants less if their genes were literally saving lives. Sorry I don't know why I didn't understand you comment before, but I fully agree now.
Does feilong hate himself? Because he himself is a human mutate, right? It should also be noted that the humans in orchis don't really run orchis. Orchis is really run by AIs --i.e. Nimrod, Omega Sentinel and even Moira.
Pretty Much... Yeah...
Waaaaaaaay back in the 70's the Kree's Supreme Intelligence foretold that human beings would naturally evolve into the most powerful beings in the universe. That's why it [The Kree Intelligence] wanted his people to mate with humans or something weird like that. These humans that are "evolved" with power seem like they may be mutants. If regular-born humans got a notion that Magneto may be right---that mutants will inevitably supplant and dominate non-mutant humans, they'd have a somewhat rational reason for their beliefs and actions (people hate what they fear and all that....) as well as their thinly-veiled suspicion/mistrust of non-mutant super-powered heroes. The problem is, I don't think many regular human beings know of what the Kree Intelligence declared.
Iâd question why people donât think super geniuses like Tony arenât mutants. Einstein never invented a mech suit or a defeat-Dr. Doom-ray.
I can see the possibility that Nimrod and Ultron would team and want to destroy or enslave humanity that would make a good storyline for the Avengers and X-Men crossover
I can't wait for Darwin to return, he's going to be uber powerful when he comes back.
It's what the framework of characters are designed from... It's a Cast System... Where Power, Authority, and Privilege - all given by virtual of childbirth... It's a Golden Ticket you have to be born with kid!
While totally in contrast to the source stories, where amazingly unique results happen to only one key person or group, those who are Mutated are seen as the "It could be me!" or at the very least - related!
I think the dumb thing about this story (mainly the moira) stuff is that all mutants are technically human and vice versa. So instead of moira trying to sterilise all mutants to stop future wars and genocides, she should of tried to make all humans mutants (especially as she was a mutant herself) that would definitely stop the hate and the race wars. It can be done as diamond sinister gave himself a mutant gene
Mutants just need to leave the planet.
I think that's one of the future Sentinel storylines that since mutants come from humans that the only way to truly kill all mutants is to kill all humans. Oopsie! đ€đ€đ€đ±đ€Ł
@@KenFromchicagoso another x men avengers crossover event?
@@brendaspence1824 Yup.
I enjoyed the video. It's been obvious that hating the mutants has been one of fear mongering and power grab of individuals to gain more & more power has a constant theme on mutants and super powered individuals, whether tech, mutant, inhuman or enhanced, as they aren't like the next person. Those individuals, through wealth, intelligence, charisma, power always want more than the next person, and anyone who possesses something that they don't have is to be taken down. They don't want to think of themselves of being on the victim rung. Whether or not, that makes a difference in the Cosmic scheme of events, is another thing. Orchis was powerless against the might of the Celestial or Eternal's machinery, would they survive a Galactus, Brood, Annihilation Wave, Beyonder, Deathless Universe incursion. For that matter, Korvac, Dormammu, mystical & higher-level entities would make short work on Orchis, no matter what they think they can contrive, as they would forever be playing defense. Unfortunately, Orchis and the financial backers are thinking microverse infantile steps to control forces/events that are beyond their conception to deal with. If they thought mutants were a problem, let Orchis deal with Victor Von Doom, Thanos, or Kang. Marvel's doing great scripting. Good review.
They are missing Ultron as a member
Similar to what took place during the House of X series, Hickman showed the future of Nimrod and the Omega sentinel not giving a fvck about humanity. Also, in Sins of Sinister, mutants and the Avengers came together to finally put an end to Orchis. Why the mutants and Avengers have not come together yet further proves the point that the Avengers have not really cared about mutant issues, until it effects them too
Also, keep in mind that not all mutants are super-powered.
If Orchis is anything to go by, that means there are anti-mutant individuals in the Marvel verse who despise all super powered beings in general. Heck even Days of Future Past poses this question:
It starts with targeting mutants, then it's mutates, then its any Hero or Hero esc person full stop, then they come for everyone else and possibly no one will be able to stop it.
Blerd, remember in the Juggernaut comic the guy even said they were tired of superhuman vigilantes (heroes) and would eventually deal with them
I wonder if they would be bold enough to go after the galactic heroes eventually
@@brendaspence1824 I think its more they are a threat to the power structure of companies and governments. Galactic heroes are not really a major concern-- Starlords rarely around
Magical Posthumanism is something i love writing on too. I.e. apotheosis. Its why i called Mother Righteous being a Sinister lmao
You the Goat Blerd!!!! Keep it coming
Would Danielle Cage be a Mutant, because of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones both having powers.
Only if her powers are different than her parents.....
@@jamaisj Lol How does that make sense? Cable and Rachel Summers both have the exact powers as Jean Grey and they're definitely mutants
@@scinnyc It doesn't. Technically, Cable and Rachel aren't mutants, so I have no idea why they're called "mutants" outside of keeping it in the family. Keep in mind that neither are actually Jean's, so there is that (Cable is Madelyne's son and Rachel is the daughter of a different Jean (parallel worlds and all that)).
[Mutants are so-called because the genes of the child are different from the parent; the genes mutated. However, if the child had the same powers as the parent then it shows that the child has the same genes as the parent, and thus the powers bred true. If Cable and Rachel were hers, then they wouldn't be mutants as they would have her genes.
I'm guessing Marvel plays by different rules as most children of mutants are also mutants, even if they have the same powers as their parent(s).]
@@jamaisj Well, both Cable and Rachel are more powerful than Jean. They all have telepathy and telekinesis but Cable (without his TK virus) and Rachel are like Jean on steroids. So does that fit the technical definition of a mutant if the offspring's natural abilities exceed the parent?đ€
â@@jamaisj actually having the mutants gene makes you a mutant. It doesn't matter about your parents or your lineage. That ms why 2 mutant parents can have a non mutant child and a normal human can have a mutant child. Also mutants children of mutants tend to have similar or same powers of 1 or more parents or siblings. cable has similar powers to madalyne, polaris has the same powers as magneto, daken same as wolverine, night crawler is a mix of mystique and azazel and the summers brothers. I can't think of (off the top of my head) any mutant children that have totally different powers to parents?
I could have swore that back in X-factor where Valarie and Franklin hired X-Factor she said that she and her brother are mutants and that X-Factor are supposed to help mutants.
Franklin was recently retconned to not be a mutant. And it was really dumb because Feanklin has been confirmed as a mutant for like 30 years. He was even targeted as a mutant in the Days Of Future's Past alternate future
Best ironman in years
I don't buy the argument that Spider-Man has just been around forever. Plenty of known mutants have been known to the public just as long or longer. The X-Men debuted within two years of Spider-Man in real world time, which would be at most a month or two in the Marvel timeline. Although public opinion is more often than not against Spider-Man, I'm not aware of any time that the general public believed him to be a mutant.
I think the real difference is how mutants manifest, itâs usually a traumatic event at puberty that is detrimental to those around them, no one just gets their powers and thatâs it, they usually end up killing those around them. Mutates get their powers saving those around them or doing something for the better good of humanity
The writers are becoming just straight silly. Saying Franklin's not a mutant, is like saying I'm Caucasian, when I'm a Brotha. Franklin's birth wasn't an easy birth. They used Annhililus's control rod's radiation energies to ease Susan's pregnancy & birth. That's why Franklin was born w/he's a mutant
This is a super interesting question that I always had wondered since I was small. I think the way Marvel is answering it here, but I think it is how bigotry is.
I think the truth to human nature is that hate isn't logical. People find all sorts of ways to make exceptions to their horrible rules and hate. We also tend to think like maybe they changed their mind or made exceptions over time, but there are politics in these thought processes as well. Someone might not want to say they hate Captain America, and constantly point out how there are good powered people that have it the right way and bad powered people that get it the wrong way, while working against them all at the same time. I don't want to be too obviously political, but you can look at now at how some groups are saying they want to "Protect the Youth from Trans groomers" yet they are trying to do things like ban books about Rosa Parks or the story of 2 male penguins that adopt a baby chick at the zoo. Is marvel that thoughtful on these political topics? I don't know, Marvel is political, but I think a lot of this stuff is also subliminal.
I hope this is a topic they cover with the MCU version of the X-Men, but I hope they point out the bias in this perspective in that it's a majoritive perspective. A lot of the responses like, they have super powers and are capable of destroying us are all similar perspectives in the real world where you look at topics of Policing on Blacks, the treatment of Queer people, and the immigrant that moves into the neighborhood, changing it with their local cultures and languages. All of those perspectives are actually the White-Majority perspective, with a bias that the state of utmost importance has to be the white person's needs. We get mutants to say things like "They are fighting for their right to exist", but I feel like we never really feel that (at least not completely). It would be nice for at least the MCU X-Men movies, we aren't thinking about things like "Well what if Mutants DO take over??" and other, honestly, white surprist rooted thought-processes, and instead just see these are people trying to just figure themselves out, they are trying to fit in society.
I think this is also why I want the story to have Professor X form the School, and maybe Scott Summers to form the X-Men. (Not as separate events...) But really have MCU Charles to have the foresight that it easily could look like a "School for Mutants" has similar optics of a private Militia (As I also think what could be an interpretation of the Brotherhood, and how I think the MCU should model the Brotherhood after the Black Panthers, but not make them "evil" or "bad" but rather seen as a more extreme political movement that makes the public uncomfortable), and he is just trying to rase mutants to learn how to control and manage their powers, while also getting an elite education that prepares them for the public. Meanwhile, in the School, you have some event happen that requires a gathering of some of Charles's students with the most control over their powers to intervene in something, and you have Scott Summers to get the idea to name this group the X-Men, and model themselves after the famous "Avengers" (In part because Avengers are popular with many people at the moment, and a part of him thinks that popularity would spread to Mutants if they can look like the Avengers).
Remember mutants are actually dangerous. Not all of them but a lot are. It's not the same as Irl bigaty because a black kid isn't just suddenly going to sprout guns an accidentally shoot people. Plenty of story's of mutants hurting people without meaning to. I get what their trying to do but it just doesn't work for me.
â@@hellblaze10 The "mutant metaphor" only works with mutates like the FF in the picture so that fear of mutants becomes almost as illogical as real-world prejudice
But it's obviously not 1-to-1 and often falls flat, as is often the case when writers do Fictional Racism
Nice thumbnail with Franklin in his Power Pack costume. This image when it was popping up in the comics made young me uncomfortablem
Honestly, it makes perfect sense that ORCHIS, a group made up of elements of every super-villain group on the planet, wouldn't just be targeting mutants. Yeah the United under the hatred of mutants, but they still hate every superhero in general because they are always getting in their way.
Mutants just have probably the easiest time doing it because of everything that they can do. Like they started a country without having to colonize any land from anybody and made it damned near the closest thing to Utopia on Earth, even arguably Above Wakanda.
If they can basically save an entire species from going extinct, imagine what else they could do. They are scared of mutants because of what they can do to undo their plans and to that I say, GOOD! Because just like bigots in real life, you should be afraid to be openly prejudice, especially to minorities who have done nothing to you and want nothing more than to live their lives.
Alright Mutants, what you need to do is go up to humanity, look them in the eye, and give it a firm hand shake.
I always had my own head cannon for this. My explanation was Mutants caused a doppelganger effects with humans because they aren't human. It's like Mutants existing is like saying that humanity on an existential level is being threatened. Humans don't understand or much less think about why or where this hate comes from but it's there and it's triggered without them knowing. Maybe it's pheromones or something I'm not sure.
Franklin !!! Love that pic and that old skool advertising .
Characters like the FF, Cap, Spidey and Hulk have their ups and downs in terms of PR but it's all individualized. If Spidey does something wrong then it's a mark against Spidey. If Magneto does something wrong it's a mark against all mutants, because Mutants are seen as a group distinct from regular humans.
How come the humans can't figure out they could become mutants or the fact humans birth mutants
OMG! OMG! THIS IS IT! This is the beginning of the end! This connects IT: Blerd this is what kicks off DAYS OF FUTURE PAST! It didn't hit me until I read Iron Man #7. Talk about coming full circle.
Human mutates got their powers through outside genetic manipulation by their various origin events. Whereas homosapien superior were born with the genetic mutation in them and had it activated by emotional and stressful means. Also humans hate the mutants because the mutants are a criticism of bigotry in Marvel .
From my world experience, the reason people hate mutants is because a lot of people say they don't hate or have a problem with X but they don't want X in their family...and being a mutant is pretty random.
âŠ..but they essentially do đ
Considering that there was the creation of TESS-ONE (Total Elimination of Super Soldiers) program to take out beings like Captain America, I can see the Sentinels expand their objective. After all, it's safe to say that suber beings can create mutant individuals. Stopping mutates eliminates the possibility of someone giving birth to mutants.
Its bout time that the good guys have SOME information from the other side.
It's all about the fear of the Unknown and humans want to control nature, and mutant are nature unlike the artifical mute like Spiderman or iron man. This the making of future past start to happening now. It's all about the power of control!
The only time there was a reason that made sense to me was back in the day where I vaguely recall they said it was a biological thing where they kinda auto hate mutants because it really doesn't make sense otherwise. As much as that seemed like a plot induced reason, it still made rational sense as to why they could hate cyclops but be okay with Spider-Man. The idea of being evolutionarily replaced doesn't make sense either because they still have firepower at nuke levels as deterrents, hold the positions of power and super humans already exist. Being born with powers also doesn't make you any more threatening than say the hulk. Not knowing history literally doesn't matter either, do they know all hero origins?? Keep in mind, there were heroes who were parents of children with powers that had them from birth and also didn't have control over said powers.
I think the only real reason that makes sense outside of the auto-hate thing is when a mutant's power suddenly manifests it can be lethal depending on what the power is and the collateral damage may be extensive. It's like if you're just walking in a crowd of people and a guy starts screaming as his power manifests and bladed tentacles whip out and cut in a 50 meter radius slaughtering everyone. If people have that kinda fear of mutants, then yeah it makes sense narratively that they fear them vs Super Humans...humans who obtained powers are unlikely to have it manifest in that way so they may get a pass.
Wait?! So they've changed mutant origins and abilities again? I'm late.. I guess? I thought mutant abilities didn't kick in till puberty
Itâs so dumb that they hate mutants. Some just want to live a normal life.
Some do others want to rule. And if a mutant becomes aggressive how do normal everyday human defend themselves? A telepath can make you kill your family and yourself. Some can rip you apart molecule by molecule, what is the reproach? It doesnât even have to be intentional just some new mutant getting their powers can wipe out an entire city. Yes racism is bad, but thatâs too simplistic for this issue. Lots of people like to compare the X-men to civil rights but hereâs where the analogy breaks down. Blacks are not a different race, they are humans with differences that are only cosmetic. Mutants have abilities that no normal human possesses and have a greater capacity for harm far beyond any normal human. I want humans and mutants to live peacefully like professor x wants but these are issues that people donât like addressing
Orchis is mostly Hydra and AIM
Wasn't Franklin Richards the host of Marvel's Phoenix because he was a mutant?
My honest reaction to thus was: Oh so NOW y'all care about the sentinels huh?
EXACTLY. Not my problem until itâs MY problem. Lmao
Orchis has become more machine then human or mutant now
Didn't they find that Extremis was a cure for the mutant gene?
I wonder if Orchis will team-up with the Children of the Vault or they will butt heads?
If they were living in the dc universe they wouldn't face that crap. They would be still be human or metahuman. I rather be metahuman than mutant. They are more organic you have a metagene
I hope in the future marvel stop the whole haring on mutants and have it were we see both human mutante and mutant work together, both good and bad abd even evil. Granted we will still have those who hate mutants but it would be shared with both mutante and x
Then the x men books arenât the x men books anymore
@@brendaspence1824 thn that's a good thing we need change, like do you love to see Peter struggle with his life and this whole good guy finish....nvr?
I think some people believed that Spider-Man was a mutant. And there was that time that it was believed that Cloak and Dagger were mutants. There is the fact that people like Magneto amp it up by declaring that mutants are humanity's replacement. He, with the power and authority he possess, make it seem that all mutants are coming after humans, and of course there Apocalypse. If superhumans did the same thing, I'm sure normal humans would also see them as a threat. Squirrel Girl was born the way she is and once thought she was a mutant until science said otherwise and the nuhumans, humans with inhuman DNA, were targeted as a threat by some.
The four Sinisters seem to indicate that there are four powers of earth which is evolution (mutants), genetic engineering (superhumans and post humans), magic (like Doctor Strange, faerie folk, demons and mystical items) and technology (Iron Man, X-51 and Nimrod). Each one is a potent force that keeps each other in check while there's like a contest on who dominates the rest in the end. That mutants will have to earn their place as the dominate species instead of thinking destiny has already given it to them.
Valeria's intellect was once affected by Mad Thinker's trap that made her family's powers go bonkers in Road Trip and her mother said her smarts may be nuanced. Be interesting if she's psionically linked to a pocket astral plane for her use only when it comes to data processing and memory space and if it was something Doctor Doom did to her when he delivered her. Used a magical spell and the reason why she's genetically normal while having seemly superhuman intelligence that easily surpasses her father and she was still a baby when she started doing super-science. Like Tony Stark when he wears his armor but for her it's like a home computer linked to the internet. Doom has shown to have feelings for Valeria and probably wanted her to have the ability to survive through intellect and having the potential to becoming the smartest being in the universe, in Doom's name of course, as this perhaps possible pocket astral plane grows bigger as the years go by.
If Feilong is a mutate then won't Orchis turn on him eventually? At some point he jas to turn cyborg to survive the Machine Uprising. đ€đ€đ€đ±đ€Ł
Orchis discovers a prediction that they get destroyed by the Avengers. So what do they do? piss of the entire superhero community.
It sucks, but when mutants are placed on teams like the Avengers, those mutant heroes are generally treated much better.
People can hate each other over something as small as 'You look different' to 'You have resources I want/need'. Do humans need a reason to hate Mutants? Not really if you look at things with perspective
I thought it was Sublime's fault
The Mutant Human-Machine war hs begun...
So basically days of futures past
I've been an X-Men fan for a long time. I just thought humans hated mutants just because they are different.
Then, I remembered mutants are born with their abilities.
Based off what's stated, its very much that while humans are ranked high above mutants, as you stated the true one behind the scenes seems to be technological, or cyberfuturist. This would ensure static functionality, and any changes are completely under your control. Basically the abilties of mutants and mutates, but altered with purposeful intent. I think people are very much aware of what mutants are now, and ironically enough the more they know the more distorted the fear becomes. It's interesting that Orchis has taken a look at this and decided "they're on the right track with the powers, but we can be even better, entirely pure in form".
This alone lets me know it comes from a place of envy and such, and in regarding humans, they're tolerated but seen as very much the "last week" bunch. It reminds me very much of while white supremacy exists, those of the impoverished, or even those of different nationality, religion, etc. will be the ones on the chopping block as well. It's an interesting (and somewhat realistic) take on the concepts. Glad they're going full force on the allegorical side. Hopefully, the ending they're heading towards won't dull or even worst, attempt to hit the reset button with everything else left unsaid or unchanged.
honestly thats what always happens with sentinels-- they go for everyone
Great info bro
I've always asked this question. Made no sense to me.
Human just don't want to see it.
Dope Venom shirt
I remember there was this dumb story where an alien put the idea in human minds to hate mutants a long time ago. đđ
And make it look easy! â€
Spider-man is both loved and hated.
Hulk is hated.
The FF are accepted and loved by some people but the people who lived inside the Baxter Building hate the FF. Being in close proximity of the Four puts your life in constant danger.
Iron Man would catch shit back in the day as being mercenary.
Mutants have their supporters but it's easy to see why people hate them. The uncontrolled manifestations have hurt a lot of people. Then you have the supremacist, Magneto, trying to launch nukes.
Even the term, Homo Superior, is a direct challenge to humanity.
Shit is stupid they got super heroâs, villains,aliens, gods nd Politicians lmao yet soon as they see a mutant itâs up nd itâs stuck.
Humanity is itâs own worst enemy đ€·ââïž
Random but⊠isnât it interesting how humans have like zero powers in marvel? Like in our universe we have powers but there humans have like zero
What kind of powers do we have in our universe?
@@milliequick1271 psychic, symbiosis, alchemy, mind control, hyper intelligence, time travel, medium, list goes on
â@@BBoldGaming huh?
@@BBoldGaming Dude, put the blunt down
@@onyx081 Iâm assuming you all have never witnessed these things.
Ignorance is always met with poking fun.
It's comic racism đąđą
Theory is interesting but the non mutant superheroes are not a race .. they donât number in the millions⊠the mutants are a discriminated race ⊠not this racial demarcation we have in this world (we are all part of the human race when we get down to it) mutants are not human⊠so they are considered (even on a subconscious level) a threat to them
Bad Ass Shirt.
It honestly is bigotry begets more bigotry. Another thing to keep in mind about the general populace is that unlike in real life they tend to always choose security over freedom and that to them they see mutants as mutant supremacists that will take over the human race. Which is not helped by most mutants recently setting themselves apart from humanity, (as in not viewing themselves as human,) giving credence to the idea. Honestly I'm so sick of the whole entire thing, it almost makes me wish Master Mold could back and beat the idea that mutants are humans into everyone's minds.
Where's Apocalypse when you need him?đ€·đż
only Woman have Uteros
Why don't mutans just lie about how they got there powers